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24 Aug 2009

Introducing FO Player Pages

by Aaron Schatz

Well, we've been working on this for a while, and today we're finally ready to debut our brand new Football Outsiders player pages.

Pretty much anybody who has played in the NFL since 1994 now has their own player page on Football Outsiders, from A to Z and everyone in between. On those pages you'll find:

  • Basic biographical information
  • Advanced offensive stats going back to 1994, including DVOA and DYAR rank for each year where a player had enough opportunities to be ranked
  • Advanced defensive stats going back to 1999 -- things like Stop Rate, Defeats, and Yards per Run Tackle -- including rank for players with enough plays to be ranked
  • Game Charting stats like YAC, QB hurries, and adjusted yards per pass (based on coverage, not just tackles) going back to 2005
  • Penalties (including declined and offsetting) and penalty yards going back to 1999
  • Standard stats prior to 1994 for players whose careers began prior to 1994
  • Links to the last five articles on FO that discussed this player, plus another link to an archive page featuring every article discussing this player since FO began in 2003

If you are not a subscriber to FO Premium, you will only be able to see the last year of game charting stats, the last three years of other stats, and the last five articles discussing that player. FO Premium subscribers can see all the stats and the entire archive of articles discussing each player. Nothing that was previously free is now Premium, so the pages with the advanced offensive player stats sorted by year rather than by player are still free.

(Also, if the box with the article links doesn't look quite right, you may need to force-refresh your browser to get our new stylesheet loaded in.)

I'm personally excited about making the defensive stats available. Nobody else out there keeps defensive stats like FO does, looking at things like which defenders are involved in the highest percentage of team plays, or which ones make their run tackles closest to the line of scrimmage. Now that we have player pages, you can see all kinds of interesting facts about players. For example, Zach Thomas led the league in percentage of team defensive plays for five straight seasons from 2003 through 2007. Ray Lewis led the league the two years before that, and holds the all-time record for Defeats in a season with 45 back in 1999.

Sometime in the next few days, FO will begin selling sponsorships on the player pages, with the fees determined by how popular the players are. (We're not selling those sponsorships right away because we want a couple of days to make sure that the player pages don't cause any further server issues.)

Eventually, we hope to add defensive stats and penalty stats prior to 1999 as well as special teams stats for kickers, punters, and return men. We also plan on creating team pages as well as leaderboards for the defensive stats and other metrics that don't currently have specific stats pages on the site.

Hopefully, any other questions you have about the player pages are answered in this Player Pages FAQ. If not, feel free to ask questions in the discussion thread here.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 24 Aug 2009

24 comments, Last at 25 Aug 2009, 5:10pm by anotherpatsfan

Comments

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by Zac :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 3:54pm

I am not authorized to access http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/2009/football-outsiders-player-pag... .

You'll have to be gentle with me. Sometimes a joke that seems obvious to its creator is not so obvious over the text of the internet. Are the stats given for Hole In Zone real?

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by Aaron Schatz :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:44pm

Yep. Those are the real stats for Hole in Zone over the three years we've included the option in game charting. Although I guess those interceptions are actually by other players with Hole in Zone in coverage.

Robo-punter, for those curious, is waiting for when we introduce special teams stats.

The issue with the FAQ is fixed now, sorry about that. It's now readable.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:19pm

So can readers sponsor players or is it limited to companies. We could club together and sponsor Bo Scaife, even though he is a dirty underachiever. Or Marlon McCree and Dan Orlovsky, they need the help.

Err I don't seem to be able to see the pages

How can Hole in Zone have 19 picks in the last three years?

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by Temo :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:42pm

I think you're vastly overpricing FO's ability to monetize these pages.

I'm sure you can have Bo Scaife, Marlon Mccree, and Dan Orlovsky all to yourself for a few bucks, no clubbing together needed.

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by Joe T. :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:46pm

Braylon Edwards, brought to you by Butterfingers.

Brett Favre, proudly sponsored by Attends Briefs (which now discretely fit beneath your stretch-waste Wrangler blue jeans).

Chad Ocho Cinco, sponsored by Real Sociedad Matemática Española.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:12pm

Love the idea. How about Dusty Dvorackek, brought to you by advil. Chris Chambers sponsored by specsavers.

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by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:17pm

Chad Ocho Cinco, sponsored by Real Sociedad Matemática Española.

This was funny even before I verified that such a thing actually exists. Excellent job, sir.

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by Lucidus (not verified) :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 10:09pm

That's 19 picks on 2825 plays being covered by HiZ.

With a rate that low, it can probably be explained by freak accidents like a reciever getting snake eyes on their 'to-catch' roll and having the ball bounce off of their hands to be intercepted by someone five yards away, or a pass to an obviously open reciever tipped at the line of scrimmage and then intercepted before it got anywhere near them.

Football is weird like that.

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by Temo :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:20pm

Awesome. This will kill my work productivity even more.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 4:59pm

Most player pages will be $5.

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by Tom Gower :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:30pm

I'm feeling rather thick-how do you access a player's Player Page?

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by Temo :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:40pm

For now, I'm using the site search box, underneath the top menu.

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by billsfan :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:30pm

Other than those linked here, how can those of us without premium access actually view these new player pages? Searching for an individual player's name gives no results, and I see no readily apparent way to find an individual player's page, other than going to "advanced search," typing in a last name, and checking the "player page" box, which can be tricky for those who can't spell "Posluszny" or "Asomugha" correctly on the first few attempts.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by Jerry :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 5:36pm

Am I missing something obvious, or is there no handy way to pick a player and bring up his page?

ETA: The two similar comments above appeared while I was posting this.

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by Aaron Schatz :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 7:12pm

Searching for a player should bring his page up in the list of links. We're going to have a specific player search feature soon. In addition, articles will begin having links to specific players in them, whenever any player is mentioned.

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by JasonK :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 10:06am

Will the season summary charts be updated with links to player pages? That's the first place I would think to look, at least for the QBs/RBs/WRs/TEs.

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by Illmatic74 :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 7:24pm

You guys should work out a partenship with profootballreference.com and put the stats on there.

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by Joseph :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 9:56am

I second that--BTW, their blog is pretty interesting and frequently has their own stats-based analysis. They even linked to FO the other day, mentioning the posting of 1994 DVOA.

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by Jesse :: Mon, 08/24/2009 - 9:53pm

this is cool.

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by bmerryman :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 9:40am

"things like which defenders are involved in the highest percentage of team plays"

I guess this is OK. Tough to draw a lot of conclusions from this stat IMO. For instance, let's say a smart OLB drops into the proper coverage, prevents a WR from being open on a slant, and forces the QB to check-down to a back. The back gets tackled by the middle linebacker near the line of scrimmage. Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong but wouldn't the MLB get credited with being involved in the play while the OLB would get nothing?

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by E :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 10:36am

wow, very cool feature, thank you Aaron, Bill & co. (sorry in advance for the long comment, consider it an ad for FO player pages)

I just took a look at my first player page, Tiki Barber: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/17609/tiki-barber

It's fascinating to remember his career through the lens of DVOA, DYAR. First the early years as a 3rd down back, 1997-99, where the DVOA and DYAR were both negative. Then 2000, which to the untrained eye looks like his breakthrough year (1000 rushing yds, 4.73 YPC, 700 receiving yards, 9 total TDs) but upon closer inspection we see that while he was a great receiver for a back (205 DYAR, 30.1 DVOA) the fumbling issues and lack of TDs actually made him a below-average runner. It's enough to lead the Giants to the Super Bowl but ...

despite remianing a very good receiver, he's only an OK runner and the fumbling issues don't go away, then the receiving skills start to erode as well culminating in a dreadfull 2003. 1200 rushing yards doesn't mask a DYAR of just 1 and negative DOVA, and his receiving DYAR and DVOA both also reach career lows of 23 and negative 9.6, respectively. Not coincidentally, the Giants go 4-12, Kerry Collins is released and Jim Fassel is fired. Tiki's career appears to be coming to an end. I can only imagine where KUBIAK had him ranked coming into 2004 ...

and then the unhinkable happens: Tiki finally learns to run at age 29! 1500 rushing yards and 13 TDs (and "only" 5 fumbles) = 222 DYAR and 7.7 DVOA, to go along with 139 receiving DYAR that year. Then his should-have-been MVP 2005: 1864 rushing yds = 342 DYAR/15.3 DVOA. Add in 209 receiving DYAR (#1 overall) at 43.8 DVOA! 2006 saw a little regression - especially in the receiving game where his catch % dropped from 77 to 57 and DVOA down to 0 from 43 - but another overall great season.

I wouldn't trade Super Bowl 42 for more years of Tiki, but it sure was fun to relive his career through the FO player page.

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by Aaron Schatz :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 12:14pm

Heh. Of course, there was no KUBIAK in 2004. :)

By the way, I know we had some trouble last night with our new search functionality. We've reverted to the older search for the time being, so it is a little slow, but you should now be able to enter a player name in the search box and get a list of articles that will include the player page. For now, that's the best way to look for player pages when they aren't linked from a player's name in a specific article.

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by anotherpatsfan :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 5:10pm

I had better luck doing searches in the form "manning type:player" (i.e., 'last name' type:player). You get links to the player pages for all the players with last name manning, but it is easier than trying to just search peyton manning or any other player with a lot of FO content, as the player page may be buried somewhere in page-after-page of peyton...

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by Dice :: Tue, 08/25/2009 - 4:50pm

Smoot can sponsor his own with his Smoot Smack bar(better than Powersauce bars) earnings. Jacques Reeves and Jason David to fight for the endorsements of the HUman Torch and Burning Man.