The Falcons and Bucs are still lacking edge rushers, the Saints need someone to protect Drew Brees, and the Panthers desperately need a second good wideout.
25 Sep 2009
by Bill Connelly
Every few weeks this season, it is a good idea to check in on how the S&P+ rankings are coming together. Clearly it is early enough in the season that first, as with FEI, preseason projections are still playing a decent-sized role, and second, one good or bad game could alter a team's rating pretty significantly. That said, we're going to dive in nonetheless.
As you may recall from previous editions of Varsity Numbers, the S&P+ rating is made up three components:
S&P+ is designed to measure efficiency (Success Rates) and explosiveness (PPP), adjusted for strength of schedule ("+"). As you would expect three games in, the limited schedule is going to contribute significantly to a team's rating, but that is one of the reasons preseason projections are still being used for 50% of the ranking at this point. Projections were determined using similar factors as those used for FEI projections (five-year history, returning starters, etc.), along with some of the turnover figures discussed here. With more years of data (by the offseason, there should be complete play-by-play for at least 2005-09, and maybe 2004 as well), more factors can be taken into account, hopefully creating a very useful, accurate system of projections.
In theory, if the projections are any good, they level out some of the extremes in the three-week raw numbers. But with such a small sample size, these early rankings should be used more for simply figuring out who may be overlooked or underrated (in terms of national perception) instead of truly ranking all 120 teams in terms of performance.
So without further adieu, here is your Top 120 FBS teams. Listed below are the following measures:
These numbers do not take into account South Carolina's win over Mississippi Thursday.
| Estimated S&P+ Rankings After Week 3 | ||||||
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 1 | Florida (3-0) | SEC | 142.1 | 1 | 8 | +0.665 (1) |
| 2 | USC (2-1) | Pac-10 | 129.7 | 4 | 6 | +0.257 (26) |
| 3 | Ohio State (2-1) | Big Ten | 128.2 | 10 | 13 | +0.146 (47) |
| 4 | Penn State (3-0) | Big Ten | 126.7 | 11 | 5 | +0.642 (3) |
| 5 | Texas (3-0) | Big 12 | 124.8 | 38 | 25 | +0.163 (44) |
| 6 | Oklahoma (2-1) | Big 12 | 123.3 | 9 | 12 | +0.395 (13) |
| 7 | Alabama (3-0) | SEC | 123.3 | 2 | 9 | +0.567 (4) |
| 8 | LSU (3-0) | SEC | 121.6 | 45 | 26 | +0.271 (23) |
| 9 | Georgia (2-1) | SEC | 120.2 | 64 | 21 | +0.034 (69) |
| 10 | Oklahoma State (2-1) | Big 12 | 119.3 | 29 | 22 | +0.069 (60) |
| 11 | Miami-FL (2-0) | ACC | 119.1 | 41 | 15 | +0.411 (9) |
| 12 | Boise State (3-0) | WAC | 118.3 | 46 | 7 | +0.273 (21) |
| 13 | TCU (2-0) | MWC | 117.2 | 6 | 18 | +0.643 (2) |
| 14 | Tennessee (1-2) | SEC | 117.2 | 32 | 3 | +0.201 (37) |
| 15 | Clemson (2-1) | ACC | 117.0 | 95 | 1 | +0.120 (50) |
| 16 | Oregon (2-1) | Pac-10 | 116.2 | 7 | 10 | +0.021 (70) |
| 17 | Cincinnati (3-0) | Big East | 115.5 | 13 | 38 | +0.495 (7) |
| 18 | Iowa (3-0) | Big Ten | 115.0 | 69 | 4 | +0.201 (36) |
| 19 | Missouri (3-0) | Big 12 | 114.9 | 25 | 27 | +0.279 (18) |
| 20 | Ole Miss (2-0) | SEC | 113.8 | 27 | 23 | +0.398 (12) |
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 21 | Connecticut (2-1) | Big East | 113.7 | 63 | 2 | +0.115 (52) |
| 22 | California (3-0) | Pac-10 | 113.1 | 26 | 20 | +0.406 (11) |
| 23 | Arkansas (1-1) | SEC | 112.7 | 28 | 94 | +0.182 (42) |
| 24 | Nebraska (2-1) | Big 12 | 111.9 | 16 | 31 | +0.196 (39) |
| 25 | Auburn (3-0) | SEC | 111.8 | 19 | 24 | +0.218 (33) |
| 26 | Virginia Tech (2-1) | ACC | 111.5 | 31 | 16 | +0.048 (64) |
| 27 | Florida State (2-1) | ACC | 110.3 | 60 | 37 | +0.002 (76) |
| 28 | Oregon State (2-1) | Pac-10 | 110.2 | 55 | 40 | +0.039 (67) |
| 29 | BYU (2-1) | MWC | 110.2 | 22 | 65 | +0.155 (45) |
| 30 | UCLA (3-0) | Pac-10 | 110.1 | 21 | 19 | +0.110 (53) |
| 31 | Texas Tech (2-1) | Big 12 | 109.6 | 39 | 42 | +0.257 (27) |
| 32 | Georgia Tech (2-1) | ACC | 109.2 | 12 | 82 | -0.010 (78) |
| 33 | Utah (2-1) | MWC | 108.9 | 37 | 14 | +0.152 (46) |
| 34 | South Florida (3-0) | Big East | 108.4 | 33 | 61 | +0.506 (6) |
| 35 | Wisconsin (3-0) | Big Ten | 108.4 | 40 | 45 | +0.296 (17) |
| 36 | West Virginia (2-1) | Big East | 108.3 | 14 | 41 | +0.297 (16) |
| 37 | Boston College (2-1) | ACC | 108.3 | 77 | 39 | +0.305 (15) |
| 38 | Pittsburgh (3-0) | Big East | 107.7 | 43 | 17 | +0.409 (10) |
| 39 | Virginia (0-3) | ACC | 107.4 | 34 | 36 | -0.057 (88) |
| 40 | Troy (1-2) | Sun Belt | 106.7 | 17 | 11 | +0.040 (66) |
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 41 | Southern Miss (3-0) | Conference USA | 106.2 | 36 | 72 | +0.273 (22) |
| 42 | Kansas (3-0) | Big 12 | 105.6 | 47 | 100 | +0.525 (5) |
| 43 | Tulsa (2-1) | Conference USA | 105.3 | 90 | 101 | +0.127 (49) |
| 44 | Michigan (3-0) | Big Ten | 105.0 | 75 | 32 | +0.260 (25) |
| 45 | Wake Forest (2-1) | ACC | 104.9 | 52 | 30 | +0.001 (77) |
| 46 | Michigan State (1-2) | Big Ten | 104.3 | 51 | 47 | +0.197 (38) |
| 47 | Minnesota (2-1) | Big Ten | 104.0 | 59 | 43 | -0.033 (84) |
| 48 | South Carolina (2-1) | SEC | 103.8 | 5 | 75 | +0.170 (43) |
| 49 | Baylor (1-1) | Big 12 | 103.7 | 3 | 57 | +0.084 (58) |
| 50 | North Carolina (3-0) | ACC | 103.1 | 18 | 59 | +0.233 (30) |
| 51 | Nevada (0-2) | WAC | 102.8 | 80 | 89 | -0.264 (111) |
| 52 | Maryland (1-2) | ACC | 102.7 | 72 | 80 | -0.184 (106) |
| 53 | Fresno State (1-2) | WAC | 102.1 | 23 | 73 | +0.054 (63) |
| 54 | Arizona (2-1) | Pac-10 | 101.6 | 53 | 53 | +0.105 (54) |
| 55 | Navy (1-2) | Independent | 101.2 | 24 | 60 | -0.028 (83) |
| 56 | Houston (2-0) | Conference USA | 100.4 | 42 | 97 | +0.455 (8) |
| 57 | Notre Dame (2-1) | Independent | 100.1 | 15 | 67 | +0.095 (55) |
| 58 | Northwestern (2-1) | Big Ten | 100.0 | 74 | 58 | +0.183 (41) |
| 59 | Stanford (2-1) | Pac-10 | 99.6 | 8 | 105 | +0.184 (40) |
| 60 | Rutgers (2-1) | Big East | 99.5 | 78 | 102 | -0.111 (97) |
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 61 | Illinois (1-1) | Big Ten | 99.5 | 83 | 90 | +0.279 (19) |
| 62 | Purdue (1-2) | Big Ten | 99.3 | 30 | 44 | +0.045 (65) |
| 63 | N.C. State (2-1) | ACC | 98.0 | 115 | 52 | +0.277 (20) |
| 64 | Washington (2-1) | Pac-10 | 97.7 | 54 | 63 | -0.092 (93) |
| 65 | Vanderbilt (1-2) | SEC | 97.6 | 98 | 66 | +0.003 (75) |
| 66 | Hawaii (2-1) | WAC | 97.0 | 49 | 62 | +0.238 (29) |
| 67 | East Carolina (1-2) | Conference USA | 96.7 | 92 | 35 | -0.199 (108) |
| 68 | Syracuse (1-2) | Big East | 95.8 | 57 | 28 | -0.099 (96) |
| 69 | Kentucky (2-0) | SEC | 95.3 | 79 | 77 | +0.250 (28) |
| 70 | Louisville (1-1) | Big East | 95.2 | 84 | 117 | +0.205 (35) |
| 71 | Colorado (1-2) | Big 12 | 94.7 | 85 | 76 | -0.153 (104) |
| 72 | Rice (0-3) | Conference USA | 94.6 | 88 | 71 | -0.496 (117) |
| 73 | UAB (1-2) | Conference USA | 94.2 | 61 | 70 | -0.037 (86) |
| 74 | Northern Illinois (2-1) | MAC | 94.2 | 87 | 54 | -0.027 (82) |
| 75 | Texas A&M (2-0) | Big 12 | 94.0 | 71 | 78 | +0.216 (34) |
| 76 | Middle Tennessee St. (2-1) | Sun Belt | 93.6 | 20 | 95 | +0.063 (62) |
| 77 | Memphis (1-2) | Conference USA | 92.7 | 91 | 51 | -0.062 (89) |
| 78 | Wyoming (1-2) | MWC | 92.6 | 107 | 46 | -0.150 (103) |
| 79 | Marshall (2-1) | Conference USA | 92.0 | 68 | 99 | -0.143 (100) |
| 80 | Kansas State (1-2) | Big 12 | 91.7 | 81 | 74 | +0.015 (73) |
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 81 | Utah State (0-2) | WAC | 91.4 | 44 | 84 | -0.226 (109) |
| 82 | Arizona State (2-0) | Pac-10 | 91.3 | 119 | 55 | +0.386 (14) |
| 83 | Bowling Green (1-2) | MAC | 91.0 | 93 | 29 | -0.096 (94) |
| 84 | Louisiana Tech (1-2) | WAC | 90.4 | 104 | 88 | -0.145 (102) |
| 85 | Central Florida (2-1) | Conference USA | 90.2 | 105 | 33 | +0.014 (74) |
| 86 | San Jose State (0-3) | WAC | 89.6 | 108 | 34 | -0.491 (116) |
| 87 | San Diego State (1-2) | MWC | 89.3 | 94 | 103 | -0.015 (79) |
| 88 | Temple (0-2) | MAC | 89.1 | 56 | 69 | -0.083 (92) |
| 89 | Colorado State (3-0) | MWC | 88.6 | 58 | 79 | +0.220 (32) |
| 90 | Mississippi State (2-1) | SEC | 88.5 | 82 | 56 | +0.064 (61) |
| 91 | UL-Monroe (1-2) | Sun Belt | 88.5 | 50 | 120 | +0.117 (51) |
| 92 | Indiana (3-0) | Big Ten | 88.5 | 97 | 106 | +0.145 (48) |
| 93 | Duke (1-2) | ACC | 88.4 | 96 | 50 | -0.082 (91) |
| 94 | SMU (2-1) | Conference USA | 88.4 | 102 | 111 | +0.088 (57) |
| 95 | UNLV (2-1) | MWC | 88.2 | 62 | 96 | +0.093 (56) |
| 96 | Toledo (1-2) | MAC | 88.1 | 86 | 104 | -0.169 (105) |
| 97 | Washington State (1-2) | Pac-10 | 87.6 | 110 | 64 | -0.410 (114) |
| 98 | Iowa State (2-1) | Big 12 | 87.5 | 48 | 114 | +0.069 (59) |
| 99 | Central Michigan (2-1) | MAC | 87.4 | 99 | 108 | +0.020 (71) |
| 100 | Akron (1-2) | MAC | 87.3 | 89 | 83 | -0.119 (98) |
| S&P+ Rk |
Team | Conference | Est. S&P+ |
Off. S&P+ Rk |
Def. S&P+ Rk |
S&P Margin (Rk) |
| 101 | Army (2-1) | Independent | 87.2 | 113 | 68 | +0.037 (68) |
| 102 | UL-Lafayette (2-1) | Sun Belt | 86.9 | 66 | 85 | +0.017 (72) |
| 103 | Florida Atlantic (0-2) | Sun Belt | 86.5 | 70 | 107 | -0.479 (115) |
| 104 | Air Force (2-1) | Mountain West | 85.9 | 100 | 86 | +0.221 (31) |
| 105 | Ohio (2-1) | MAC | 85.1 | 67 | 87 | -0.021 (80) |
| 106 | UTEP (1-2) | Conference USA | 84.7 | 101 | 81 | -0.056 (87) |
| 107 | Buffalo (1-2) | MAC | 84.4 | 35 | 116 | -0.099 (95) |
| 108 | Eastern Michigan (0-3) | MAC | 83.8 | 65 | 109 | -0.251 (110) |
| 109 | New Mexico (0-3) | MWC | 82.3 | 120 | 91 | -0.394 (113) |
| 110 | Ball State (0-3) | MAC | 82.0 | 103 | 93 | -0.144 (101) |
| 111 | Idaho (2-1) | WAC | 81.5 | 106 | 98 | -0.026 (81) |
| 112 | Florida International (0-2) | Sun Belt | 81.3 | 109 | 49 | -0.367 (112) |
| 113 | Kent State (1-2) | MAC | 80.5 | 112 | 110 | -0.127 (99) |
| 114 | Western Michigan (1-2) | MAC | 80.4 | 114 | 112 | -0.186 (107) |
| 115 | Arkansas State (1-1) | Sun Belt | 79.3 | 76 | 92 | +0.262 (24) |
| 116 | Tulane (0-2) | Conference USA | 79.2 | 116 | 118 | -0.597 (119) |
| 117 | North Texas (1-2) | Sun Belt | 79.0 | 73 | 48 | -0.033 (85) |
| 118 | Western Kentucky (0-3) | Sun Belt | 75.8 | 111 | 115 | -0.676 (120) |
| 119 | New Mexico State (1-2) | WAC | 75.8 | 118 | 113 | -0.077 (90) |
| 120 | Miami-OH (0-3) | MAC | 74.1 | 117 | 119 | -0.516 (118) |
At the very least, this exercise should give you insight for some of the S&P+ picks made during the weekly Seventh Day Adventures article.
In this summer's Football Outsiders Almanac, there was one more figure shared with FEI and S&P+. It was the combination of the two, known in the book as F/+. For 2008, both FEI and S&P+ had correlations of about 0.83-0.85 to winning percentage. The correlation of F/+ was around 0.88. This makes sense, of course. Both measures have their advantages and disadvantages, and a combination of the two would cancel out some of the outliers.
| F/+ Top 20 | |||
| F/+ Rk | Team | S&P+ Rk | FEI Rk |
| 1 | Florida | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | USC | 2 | 3 |
| 3 | Ohio State | 3 | 4 |
| 4 | Texas | 5 | 2 |
| 5 | Oklahoma | 6 | 9 |
| 6 | Alabama | 7 | 10 |
| 7 | Penn State | 4 | 22 |
| 8 | Miami | 11 | 7 |
| 9 | LSU | 8 | 13 |
| 10 | Clemson | 15 | 11 |
| 11 | Boise State | 12 | 14 |
| 12 | Georgia | 9 | 21 |
| 13 | Auburn | 25 | 5 |
| 14 | Iowa | 18 | 15 |
| 15 | Florida State | 27 | 8 |
| 16 | Virginia Tech | 26 | 12 |
| 17 | TCU | 13 | 27 |
| 18 | West Virginia | 36 | 6 |
| 19 | Oklahoma State | 10 | 33 |
| 20 | Oregon | 16 | 29 |
The F/+ measure has been good early on at balancing out the S&P+ infatuation with Penn State, Georgia and TCU, and FEI's love of all things Auburn and West Virginia.
The goal is not simply to use Varsity Numbers as a space for posting weekly S&P+ (or F/+) rankings, but every few weeks (when the column ideas are running a little low ... ahem), checking in on these measures is a good thing. And we're working on weekly updates of both S&P+ and FEI in the FO statistics section
13 comments, Last at 28 Sep 2009, 12:57pm by DaninPhilly
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Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
Tennessee is clearly ranked too high because [reason unrelated to S&P+]. [subjective ranking system] is way better than this. [unrelated team-supporting or -denigrating comment, preferably with poor spelling and/or chat-acceptable spelling]
(And I say all of the above as a die-hard Vol fan.)
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
It's sarcasm.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
Is it just me, or is Auburn look kind of kookie?
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
So, basically what we have here is an object lesson in "small sample size".
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
No one's going to mention the utterly ridiculous gap between Florida and the other teams? It's there in FEI as well.
This is why I really, really hope that Penn State doesn't go undefeated and face Florida in the NC game. If Florida keeps playing like this, they're the national champions, and I have no interest in seeing my team be their sacrificial goat.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
What an attitude! I thought PSU fans were tougher than that. That's the kind of matchup you crave! A loss is just a loss, but a win! That's the kind of thing your grandkids talk about.
As a Bama fan, I take a lot of pride in whalloping a heavily favored Miami team in '93. It would not have been the same had 99.3% of the nation written off the game as a sure 'Canes win.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
It's just realism. This isn't necessarily about favoritism: Florida's just playing way better than the rest of college football right now. That's just a fact.
You might say "well, it's like the 2007 NFL season!" but really, it's not. In that case there were signs that the Giants could play at the Patriots level (especially in DVOA, where the postseason Giants put up a DVOA roughly equal to the postseason Patriots). They were just ignored because it was too small a sample size.
Unless something *really* turns around, I don't think there will be any such signs this year. Florida was really good last year, and had an unnatural number of underclassmen. I'm not surprised they're better than the rest of the field, and barring a metric crapton of injuries, I don't think it'll change.
Even the Penn State win over Miami back in the 80s isn't the same. That game, I could believe that Penn State could win. Right now, Penn State vs. Florida? That'd be an easy Fred Edelstein Lock.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
The talk around here is that Florida is in real trouble without any wide receivers. Monte Kiffin called a very effective game against them, which could be considered a blueprint for containing them. Right now, I'd take Alabama over them.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
"Very effective"? 23 points is average for a football game. The Tennessee/Florida game was also only 8 real drives long: 23 points in 8 drives is a field goal per drive. An offense that can average a field goal per drive is nearly impossible to keep up with.
(That's not to mention the fact that they were within a few yards of scoring another TD.)
I don't think that Tennessee's game plan is anything to be followed. Tennessee forced them to run the ball, and they, uh, did. Ridiculously well. Unless another defense can force them to run the ball and be effective at stopping them, it's not a good game plan.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking In On The Rankings
It seems that Penn State agreed with you. You must be relieved!
Last year, I wonder if Ole Miss had that attitude before their tumble with Florida?
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking the Rankings
Sigh, it's "without further ado" not "without further adieu".
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking the Rankings
This is much adieu about nothing, if you ask me.
Re: Varsity Numbers: Checking the Rankings
I suppose if French actress Audrey Tautou moved into your house with no intention of leaving, that would be without further adieu, non? Might be kinda cool as well....
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