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04 May 2007

The Week in Quotes: Draft Edition

Compiled by Alex Carnevale

WHAT HAPPENS TO A DREAM DEFERRED? IT TRADES UP TO FULFILL ITSELF LATER IN THE ROUND

"On Friday, I called Tom Condon (Quinn's agent). I'd heard some stuff in the press that he might be negotiating with the Raiders for Brady to be picked at No. 1. And I had so much respect for Brady through this process. He's a great kid, and he's worked so hard, and he's done everything through the draft process exactly the right way. I told Tom I didn't know if the Raiders were going to take Brady or not, but I wanted to let him know that we'd decided not to take him at No. 3; so if he was talking to the Raiders, he'd know he didn't have us to fall back on."

--Browns GM Phil Savage, on the lead-up to the draft.

"I'd heard Brady talk about having two dreams -- being the No. 1 pick, or playing for the Browns. And I didn't want to see his heart broken twice. We weren't going to take him, so I wanted Tom to be able to do whatever he could to get a deal done with Oakland, if that's what was happening.''

--Phil Savage

"Well, that was a surprise."

--new Browns quarterback Brady Quinn, caught in the green room by cameras after the Dolphins took Ted Ginn, Jr.

"I wasn't shocked or confused. I was more shocked about the ninth pick. At the same time, you can't believe what everyone says to you because there are smoke screens that are put up. I knew about the Cleveland situation going into it and I told everyone not to get their hopes up. I guess you really never know until it happens."

--Brady Quinn, on going to the Browns.

"We have Charlie (Frye) and Derek (Anderson) and like I said, if we went into next season with those quarterbacks, I would have been content with that. In reality, we weren't ready to bring Brady Quinn to this team without the talent of someone like Joe Thomas. I felt like Joe Thomas with Charlie or Derek would have been good enough. The way it plays out those guys might battle for a position. We don't know how it's going to play out. I think we had a chance to get a quarterback when it was a reality. If Brady was there at seven, eight or nine, nobody thought he would go further than nine at Miami. He did. Once that happened, that changed gears for the teams interested in getting a quarterback."

--Savage

"When you give up a future No. 1, I think the quarterback position is the one you are willing to do it for. I could give you some names of quarterbacks who might be in the draft next year, but at the same time, we are getting Brady Quinn now. Where will he be a year from now relative to other quarterbacks we might try to get next year? It seemed like it was worth the loss of next year's first-round pick to get the quarterback now. Let's get it together now with some legitimate players. There was enough of a feeling for Brady at that point in the draft to get the player. I love scouting and there is nothing worse than not having a No. 1 pick, but honestly, I feel like I could have a little bit of a break. I think our scouts can now dig in to find us players in the following rounds. I'm certainly content to wait for next year's second round if you were to tell me we would have got Brady Quinn and Joe Thomas."

--Savage (Lindy's)

BUT WHAT IF THEY GET DRAFTED BEFORE YOU PICK, HERM? WHAT THEN?

"You have to get the best players."

--Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, on the Chiefs' draft strategy.

"You don't want to reach all over the board and say we need this guy. We're going to stick to the board and let the board weigh out."

--Edwards

"Our first three players, I know one thing: they're going to make an impact on this football team right away. The game's not too big for them. They played in big games. They will compete for positions on this football team."

--Herm

"All of a sudden the Michael Bennett trade makes sense. We traded this year's fourth-round pick for him last year. He's a fourth-round running back along with Kolby Smith. We've got another running back to add to the mix. We went down the list and filled some needs."

--Herm (KCChiefs.com)

WELL THEN -- THANK GOD FOR HURRICANE KATRINA?

"I want to say we might have cut him sooner if it hadn't been for Hurricane Katrina."

--Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren. Holmgren cut safety Terreal Bierria "the day after he left to help his family in New Orleans."

"Once I saw that everybody was back in their homes and totally getting back to their everyday lives, I was like, OK, I don't have anything to go back to."

--Terreal Bierria, New Orleans native.

"It's not like I left football because I wanted to go party, go do certain exploits. I left it because of one of the greatest tragedies in American history."

--Bierria

"I can in all honesty say no. Would he still be in the league? I don't know. Katrina was a horrible thing, but it had nothing to do with him being released."

--Holmgren (Page 2)

BOARD STIFF

"When I first got this job and I knew we had the fifth pick and we were at the Combine doing all the interviews with the players, I took a special note of Alan Branch in my early prep because I thought strongly that this could be a guy that we consider with the fifth pick. He was No. 12 on our entire board. So we got a proposal together with Oakland for pick 33 overall, contingent of course on our player still being there. Certainly we were waiting with bated breath when Indianapolis was on the clock at 32. He was there. We made the trade. And I just think it was an outstanding move."

--Cards head coach Ken Whisenhunt

"I don't know. Maybe there was an undercurrent of questions before the draft. Maybe some of that got out and the teams started talking. And when he slipped past the first 10 to 14 picks, maybe there was this undercurrent of 'What's wrong with Alan Branch?' I can tell you there is nothing wrong and we are thrilled to have him."

--Whisenhunt, on Alan Branch's sweet descent.

"When it came our turn to pick, we had Adrian Peterson and Levi Brown rated right there together. In fact, Joe Thomas and Gaines Adams were in that group, too. And they came off the board. Certainly we felt comfortable with either player and I think that both Levi and Adrian are going to be outstanding players in this league. From my philosophy, from having been in Pittsburgh and having seen the importance of the offensive line, I felt very strongly that it was important that we build a core of this team which is the O-Line and D-Line. And that's why we took Levi over Adrian in that position."

--Whisenhunt, on passing on RB Adrian Peterson.

"I saw very talented skill position players. I saw guys who played hard that thought they were talented enough to win but maybe didn't have enough direction in what they thought they should do. And the area I thought we needed to improve was the offensive line. I thought they played hard at the end of the year, but we did not have great depth there. And I think that was the area we addressed in free agency and certainly the draft."

--Whisenhunt, on his team.

IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS. WE LEARNED THAT WE BOTH LIKE HOODIES AND ME BEING A PRO BOWL SAFETY FOR THE PATRIOTS

"I don't really have any preconceived ideas about him. I met with him, I talked to him over the phone. I understand he's a bottom-line type of guy. He's a guy who loves to win and I think I'm a guy who loves to win, too."

--Patriots first rounder Brandon Meriweather, on Pats head coach Bill Belichick.

"Me and Coach Belichick, we sat down and talked about it and I basically told him it was a dumb decision by me. I should have known better to make that decision to have a gun, so I think he understands that. We're trying to get on with building a football team."

--Meriweather

"I had no idea until I got a call from the Patriots."

--Meriweather, on whether he knew was going to be drafted.

"I haven't had any phone calls from anybody yet. I've just only been answering phone calls that were from the Patriots."

--Meriweather

"I think the best safeties are corners."

--Meriweather (Boston Globe)

IF YOU'RE THINKING DON YEE IS A PSEUDONYM FOR GISELE BUNDCHEN, YOU'RE A PIG

"Tom does what he can in order to win."

--Don Yee, Tom Brady's agent, on restructuring his deal to bring in Moss.

"I've always been a big fan of Tom Brady. From the time that he took over the starting job from Drew Bledsoe, I knew that was a blessing [for] Tom."

--Patriots wideout Randy Moss

"I saw him play a little bit in college and then by him coming in and taking grasp of being the starting quarterback of the New England Patriots and winning three Super Bowls, I think that was just something that, as a fan of the game, that I always paid attention to."

--Randy Moss (Boston Globe)

THEY GOTS A PLAN

"We wanted to have everyone in the organization understand the decision-making process that took place."

--Dolphins Enterprises spokesman George Torres (Miami Sun-Sentinel)

"Both [Cameron] and Randy explained the weekend, so everyone is completely knowledgeable about the plan and strategy so when we talk to season-ticket holders or anyone else, they can explain what happened, what transpired and the thinking about it."

--Torres, on the Dolphins' selection of Ted Ginn Jr. with the ninth pick in the draft, passing on Brady Quinn.

YOU JUST GET THE FEELING HE GETS UP AT 3 AM IN THE OFFSEASON REAL CRANKY

"Brad Johnson was a ninth-round pick, they don't even have the ninth round anymore. The draft is for organization, the draft has become one of the big money makers in pro football. It lasted 12 hours, I think, the first round. There's a commercial, I think next year they're going to give us an hour to pick in each round. They have an analyst in every locker room. It's really something."

--Bucs head coach Jon Gruden

"We were rumored to trade all our draft picks up to take an offensive player and we picked a defensive player in each round. That's what some of the analysts have to explain today, just like I had to explain why I went 4-12 last year."

--Gruden

"Ranked 17th is yards. When you measure defenses, number one defense, number four defense, number 30 defense, you are talking yards. That is a disgraceful way, I think, of evaluating how you are doing. You have to knock the other quarterback down. You have to create turnovers, three and outs and establish field position on defense. We were last in the league in sacks, I don't believe we generated an interception for four, five or six weeks in succession, which is totally uncharacteristic of this defense. Total yardage is a statistic."

--Gruden

"It's not really fair to judge your second-day picks or your draft class as rookies. I don't care if I'm right or wrong, this has just been my opinion over 15-20 years in the NFL -- if four or five rookies start for you, you're not very good."

--Gruden

"Speed was a priority, it's always a priority. You can't coach it. You can't find a strength coach or a speed coach that can improve speed with these guys that are 22 or 23 years old. Some will say they can and some might do it, those guys I'm sure will send me their resumes tonight."

--Gruden

WHEN MY AGENT TOLD ME SAN DIEGO OR MINNESOTA, IT TOOK A SECOND, BUT I THINK I KNEW WHERE I WANTED TO GO

"I did expect it. The one trip I took in spring was out there to San Diego, but I had about five personal workouts in Baton Rouge. (San Diego) was the only team I visited with. I did have a feeling that it was an area I thought I would go to because of the need in receivers and the offense. It's a real complete team.�

--former LSU wide receiver Craig Davis, on coming to the Chargers.

"I think I can do anything. I'm sure I can't play O-line or D-line but I'll throw it in there and try my hardest and hopefully good results will come. I'm just a guy that loves football, will do anything for the team, gives effort and wants to win."

--new Chargers safety Eric Weddle

"I followed San Diego, but Dallas was my team. Troy Aikman went to UCLA and I followed him to Dallas, but I've always been a fan of the Chargers because they're a local team. They were the closest teams since the Rams left us. I've always been a fan. This is a dream come true."

--Weddle (Chargers.com)

SOLID PLAYER, SOLID PERSON

"No disrespect toward UNLV, but coming from a school in the spotlight like USC to a smaller school like UNLV, made it hard for me to mentally stay focused. I had a stronger desire to win than some of the other guys. It was just an unfortunate situation."

--new Cleveland Browns corner Eric Wright

"If not for the off-the-field incident at USC, I probably would have been the top cornerback in the draft. As it was, I still got picked in the second round and was the fifth cornerback taken."

--Wright, who transferred to UNLV. The charges from his sexual assault incident were dropped.

"Everybody you talked to about me would tell you that I'm a high-character guy and a good person. It took somebody to take a chance on me to pull the trigger."

--Wright (ClevelandBrowns.com)

I HAVE SOME IDEA WHO THE NEXT THING WE WILL BE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS

"I look forward to the next thing that (the media) complains about. (The media) complained for the longest time about not drafting a wide receiver in the first-round. Well they've gotten that done, so I'm just waiting for the next thing for (the media) to complain about."

--Chiefs wideout Eddie Kennison

"I don't know about that. I don't look at it that way. I know that he's a heck of a football player and I know that he brings a lot to what we need as a receiver group on offense. He's a big guy that will bring a lot of excitement."

--Kennison, on whether first round pick Dwayne Bowe is more talented than he was coming out of school

"I think it has a lot to with a single man's character. Change is good. Whether it is your best friend or a player on the other side of the ball you have to be able to adapt to change, you have to move forward and you have to be able to see the vision that the organization is going. You have to see Herm's vision and the direction that he's going and you just have to focus on that and build on that. If Herm says it a certain way then we have to see it a certain way. If we don't buy in to what Herm is saying this organization will be unsuccessful."

--Kennison

"When you constantly take a shower with a guy for four or five years, blood, sweat and tears on and off the field, it's hard to see him go. You get an opportunity to get to know his family, his wife and his kids and you hate to see him go because you know what kind of person he is and family man he is."

--Kennison, on Eric Hicks' departure. (KCChiefs.com)

THE REST

"At no time should competitive issues override medical issues. Safety comes first."

--NFL commissioner Roger Goodell (Boston Globe)

"We're protecting the players against the players."

--Goodell

"This is the day the franchise turns around."

--Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, on nabbing Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson. (Sports Illustrated)

"There's not a lot of skilled Canadian running backs so I think that dramatically increases my value."

--former Kansas running back Jon Cornish (Burnaby NewsLeader)

"The only thing I was disappointed in with the young man, and I hold his agents responsible for this, was to me, when you walk out on stage in front of millions and millions of people, that's a job interview. You don't go to a job interview chewing gum. And I felt like he could have presented himself in a much more professional manner. It looked like his tie was the first time he ever tried to tie one. It looked like his hair, he had just walked out of a shower, and he stands there, relieved as all get-out, chewing gum. And to me, that's not a professional image. And maybe I'm reading into it, but when it comes to drafts, when it comes to analyzing players, I think you have to look at everything."

--Joe Theismann, on Brady Quinn. (Michael David Smith, AOL FanHouse)

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Posted by: Alex Carnevale on 04 May 2007

64 comments, Last at 21 May 2007, 8:50pm by fxstc111

Comments

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by zip (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 3:56pm

WTF is Joe Theismann talking about?

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:02pm

Intersting info on Phil Savage telling Quinn's agent that they were going to pass on him.

Interesting on Terreal Bierra.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:05pm

1. Maybe Joe Theismann has been reading about interviews latley " Job Interview for Dummies". Now why in the world would old gimpy leg be reading those books? I was honestly embarrassed for him as somebody need to put him out of his misery, he was like that annoying relative at the thanksgiving day dinner.

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by ToxikFetus (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:10pm

So the first time in recorded history that Joe Theismann criticizes a player, it's because the player is chewing gum?! Way to pick your battles, Joe boy.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:19pm

seriously...WTF is he talking about.

Thats not like a job interview... when he goes up on the stage...he already HAS the job.

6
by James C (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:30pm

I actually agree with Joe Theismann. What this league needs is less gum-chewing and more gun crime. Where do you get a guy who will spit on somebody these days?

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:50pm

1

We've all been asking that same question for years.

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by solarjetman (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:51pm

Love the Gruden quotes. Just love em.

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by Mark (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 4:56pm

Don't blame the gum, Joe.
Blame the blonde cheesecake in teh green room!
(Hey, at least it makes more chronological sense)

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:02pm

“We were rumored to trade all our draft picks up to take an offensive player and we picked a defensive player in each round. That’s what some of the analysts have to explain today, just like I had to explain why I went 4-12 last year.�

–Gruden

11
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:12pm

I felt very strongly that it was important that we build a core of this team which is the O-Line and D-Line. And that’s why we took Levi over Adrian in that position.�

–Whisenhunt, on passing on RB Adrian Peterson

Alternatively, "we're not f***ing morons"

Seriously, I didn't understand the line of thinking; we signed a running back to a big free agent contract, he plays badly behind a terrible offensive line, so instead of drafting line help, we draft a new running back.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:13pm

I know that as a GM, I'd be most concerned with my QB's professional appearance and demeanor when appearing for the NFL draft. This is an important skill that he'll be using for years to...well, okay, he'll use it only the once. But it's still important!

Did Kennison really say that he's going to miss a guy he showered with for 5 years?

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by Joe Theismann (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:19pm

What I'm trying to say, is, if Brady Quinn is going to chew gum on stage, at least straighten his tie out, and let us know exactly what brand he's chewing. He's in the big leagues now, and Bazooka Joe just doesn't cut it anymore. The mark of a successful quarterback is reading coverage and chewing spearmint gum. People always asked me in my playing days, "Joe, what brand of gum are you chewing?" and I would respond, "Trident," and they would ask for a piece, and I would say "I'm not sure you can handle it, there is a lot of responsibility involved in chewing Trident gum." Now, Russ Grimm would always chew Juicy Fruit, and keep it in his back pocket, and it would get all mushed and when he offered it to people, they would turn him down. The point that I'm trying to get across to young quarterbacks who want to be successful is, don't let your career be dictated by your chewing gum.

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by C (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:34pm

I actually found the gum chewing annoying, but thought he was otherwise well coifed and be-suited. In other news, Joe T. is still useless.

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by calbuzz (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 5:48pm

13. The Joe Theismann template is born.

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:05pm

Dear Joe Theisman:

Brady Quinn presented himself as a stylish young man in the Year 2007. You had your perm-fro and your plaid slacks, Quinn has his hair gel and mod-tie.

Get off his back, old man.

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by sicksock (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:07pm

"Booooooo...."
-Miama Dolphins fans while Torres discussed why the passed on Quinn

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by morganja (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:13pm

Holy crap, Theismann, what the hell was that about? I thought Brady Quinn looked very professional and presented himself very well. After the afternoon he had, I think chewing gum to relieve the incredible stress he had gone through is at least a little bit forgivable.

I have to wonder what it is that causes Theismann to fall so madly in lust with people like Michael Vick and absolutely loathe people like Ricky Williams.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:16pm

:: Joe Theismann — 5/4/2007 @ 4:19 pm

Adam? Adam Gretz? Is that you?

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by David (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:41pm

“I think the best safeties are corners.�
–Meriweather

Was that taken out of context?

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:47pm

Don’t blame the gum, Joe.
Blame the blonde cheesecake in teh green room!

Let me take a moment to condemn Mike Florio for disgracefully suggesting that the woman with Quinn was a prostitute ("I hope Brady Quinn isn't paying his "girlfriend" by the hour. It's gonna be a long day.")

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by SJM (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 6:55pm

Gruden is the new Herm.

Extra points for ripping on the official NFL rankings because yardage is stupid.

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by Joe Klecko (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 7:07pm

Joe Theismann is right for once (finally). Brady Quinn looked more pretty boy than QB of the future. Reminds me more of Rob Johnson than Joe Montana. Cleveland just blew two first round picks on someone that needed his mommy and girlfriend sitting next to him. The only thing that saves Quinn is if someone sends him to UFC camp for a week and gets him away from his big man on campus lifestyle...welcome to the bottom Brady, you start at zero, time to put away the glamour magazines.

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by paytonrules (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 7:08pm

I have to say what sucks for Brady Quinn is that he managed to fall to the 22nd pick and still end up on a team that sucks.

Usually if you fall you're at least on a good team now.

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by Sergio (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 8:08pm

re: 23

Two first round picks? More like a 3rd and a first.

re: 8

Agreed.

26
by Theo, Netherlands (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 8:29pm

Wow. Herm knows how to throw a bucket of water into your face.

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 8:30pm

25- Cleveland spent the first rounder they got from Dallas, and next year's first rounder, in order to get Quinn.

23- Pretty much everyone brings their "Mommy" to the draft, and Quinn is far from the first to bring his significant other. Brady's girl was just a bit more noticable than the others.

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by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 8:31pm

Edwards sounds like an idiot. Good thing for Raiders Edwards is now coaching a AFc West team. Raiders on way up. Chiefs on way down. Raiders passing Chiefs like thief in the night this season/

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by Eddo (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 10:11pm

Thanks, Raiderjoe. The phrase "Raiders passing Chiefs like thief in night" just made my night. Maybe even my whole weekend.
I'm being serious.

21: Did Florio really write/say that? That's pretty despicable. It's one thing to make that joke with friends while watching the draft, quite another to express that thought to the public.

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by BillWallace (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 10:13pm

Gruden Rules

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by Marko (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 10:20pm

"Did Kennison really say that he’s going to miss a guy he showered with for 5 years?"

Apparently so. And Tim Hardaway is quite upset about this quote.

"Everybody you talked to about me would tell you that I’m a high-character guy and a good person. It took somebody to take a chance on me to pull the trigger."

He's lucky that it wasn't Brandon Meriweather pulling the triggger - or Dick Cheney.

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Fri, 05/04/2007 - 10:26pm

29- I cut and pasted it from his site.

And the “Raiders passing Chiefs like thief in night� killed me as well. It was funny at first, and the more I thought about it, the funnier it got.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 12:28am

Raiders passing Chiefs like thief in the night

Great! :)

I agree with you that the Raiders have a very good chance of passing the Chiefs this year.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 12:57am

27: What? That's absurd.

You're saying the Browns spent two first rounders on Quinn, and one on Thomas. If that's so, how did they get three first rounders in the past two years?

You're clearly counting things twice that shouldn't be. They traded next year's first-rounder (and a third) for a first-rounder this year. That first-rounder wasn't a part of the cost of Brady Quinn. That first-rounder was the cost of Brady Quinn. Therefore, you can't add it with other things to find the price they paid for Quinn.

Suppose I take two five-dollar bills, trade them for a 10 dollar bill, and then spend that 10 dollar bill on a movie ticket. What you're saying about Quinn is the equivalent of saying that I spent 20 dollars on my movie ticket.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 1:24am

Actually, the Browns traded this year's second round pick (not third round), which was #36 overall, in addition to their first round pick next year, for the first round pick that they used to draft Quinn. Click on my name for a link that details trades made during draft weekend.

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 2:33am

If that’s so, how did they get three first rounders in the past two years?

By trading lower and future first rounders to aquire them.

Yaguar...I'm taken aback here. The Browns surrendered the #22 (a first) this year and their first next year to get Quinn.

Two first round picks.

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by Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 3:51am

Any quotes on Kevin Kolb? I think if McNabb gets injured again, that Kolb will take over the job for good and lead the Eags to a Super Bowl win.

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by big_adventure (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 9:32am

36 -

Kevin, Yaeger's right - Cleveland did not have the 22 this year AND a first next year. They packaged their 2nd this year plus a first next year for a first this year, plus the absolute certainty that they would get a player they had considered at #3 overall.

Look at it like this - say Dallas used the pick to select Quinn, than traded Quinn to Cleveland for the second-rounder this year and a first next year. That's the exact same thing. Thus, the price for Quinn was a 2 in 2007 and a 1 in 2008.

-Sean

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 11:54am

"Seriously, I didn’t understand the line of thinking; we signed a running back to a big free agent contract, he plays badly behind a terrible offensive line, so instead of drafting line help, we draft a new running back."

I think the line of thinking would be more like: while our glaring need is left tackle, there is no-one on the board at that position who would not be a massive reach. Our star running back is getting on in years, and an RB is the consensus BPA. Let's try to trade down and get Brown at a reasonable spot while picking up some extra selections. If we can't do that, we'll just have to take Peterson and address the O-line later and hope that the coaching change will make the difference.

I'm not saying I think that line of reasoning is correct (I'd probably have taken Okoye or Anderson if I'd had to stay put), but that is how a sane person would argue it. Taking Brown was only a good move if Brown actually turns out to be good. Reaching for need is the surest way to increase your chances of drafting a bust.

As to the Florio prostitute implication, I got the impression that that was Florio re-posting a reader comment from his draft day blog that he had found amusing, in a longish list of same, rather than him saying it himself.

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by db (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 11:59am

You have got to love Herm. He picks a WR in the first round who is nearly perfect except that he drops the ball a lot. I would have thought that Bowe would be a better fit on the Seahacks.

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by Kevin Eleven (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 12:23pm

39- I like Joe Staley a lot, and I would have seen him as a reac- at all- with the #23.

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 1:22pm

Raiderjoe is quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 3:05pm

what difference does it make what his hair looks like or if he was chewing gum?

he's gonna have a staph infecton within 2 months and be lost for the year anyway

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by Pacifist Viking (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 3:59pm

If PFT takes out all the unfunny mean-spirited jokes, there won't be any PFT left.

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by Ch V Kalyan (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 5:13pm

“This is the day the franchise turns around.�

–Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz

Maybe someone told him that Matt Millen was fired :)

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by Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 5:23pm

re: 43

Read in Borat voice:

If hair certain color, he get more money. Red pubus worth more.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 9:37pm

"I could give you some names of quarterbacks who might be in the draft next year, but at the same time, we are getting Brady Quinn now. Where will he be a year from now relative to other quarterbacks we might try to get next year?"

"We were rumored to trade all our draft picks up to take an offensive player and we picked a defensive player in each round. That’s what some of the analysts have to explain today, just like I had to explain why I went 4-12 last year."

"From my philosophy, from having been in Pittsburgh and having seen the importance of the offensive line, I felt very strongly that it was important that we build a core of this team which is the O-Line and D-Line. And that’s why we took Levi over Adrian in that position."

Some GM's get it.

"All of a sudden the Michael Bennett trade makes sense. We traded this year’s fourth-round pick for him last year. He’s a fourth-round running back along with Kolby Smith. We’ve got another running back to add to the mix. We went down the list and filled some needs."

And some don't.

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 10:01pm

47

I especially like that Grimm quote. For years, the Cardinals kept plugging in RBs - Marcell Shipp, Emmitt Smith, JJ Arrington, all of them were supposed to really lift up the teams rushing game, and none of them did. It really was annoying, because you could so easily see the problem wasn't the RBs, it was the O-line. They just kept saying "Oh, 1000 yards rushing? We need 1300! Get a new RB in here!".

Maybe with some linemen who can play, they'll improve quite a bit.

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by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 10:10pm

Another Gruden quote from minicamp this weekend:

"However, Bucs head coach Jon Gruden doesn’t see many similarities between Lynch and Piscitelli, who still has a long way to go before he proves himself at the NFL level.

“Well, they’re both white,� Gruden said jokingly when asked about the similarities between Lynch and Piscitelli."

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Sat, 05/05/2007 - 11:49pm

19.

Sadly, no, no that was not me. But I loved it. Also, I don't think any Sunday Night Meltdown parody following a day of football drinking could have come up with something as amazing as what Joe Theisman came up with during his rant on Brady Quinn. That's the stuff dreams are made of. All the things wrong with NFL player conduct today and Theisman is going crazy over some double bubble, a bad tie job and some stylish locks that drive the ladies mad.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 1:36am

RE: 25

Actually, they traded a 2nd and a 1st for the 22nd pick and took Quinn with it.

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by Greg (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 2:19am

WTF is Joe Theismann talking about?

That, along with the meaning of life and the origin of the universe, is one of the great mysteries of the universe.

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by Lou (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 4:46am

im late to the party but let me just say I was annoyed by the gum chewing. I shouted at the TV something like: "You're being interviewed on national TV! take the damn gum out of your mouth" Its unprofessional and disrespectful of the person interviewing you. Other than that I don't see what Theisman's problem with his suit and haircut were. I think it was an ugly haircut that make Quinn look like a d-bag, but not unprofessional.

Grrr I hate agreeing with Theisman

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by Kerwin Nagy aka The Mulgrew Stopper aka Mack Daddy Sugar Lov (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 1:34pm

RE: 46
Grow up and get out, loser.

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by Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 3:31pm

re: Nagy

I ask you, where do you keep your internet quasi-celebrity awards?

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 3:59pm

It seems like the site is no longer linking to TMQ -- not exactly a surprise, given the monotonous vehemence that GE seemed to provoke on a weekly basis.

But his post-draft analysis actually included a bit of reporting, with full and proper credit being given to Aaron Schatz and David Lewin regarding QB projections being bandied about by Gil Brandt. Check it out -- I half-figured it to show up in TWIQ.

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by Oily Harry (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 5:24pm

re: 50

I looked at the film and slowed it down. It was Bazooka Joe gum, not Double Bubble.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 05/06/2007 - 7:30pm

RE: 56

actually, he didn't give credit to FO or Lewin initially. But after a bunch of people informed him that Brandt was basically ripping off the work of others, he added in a paragraph.

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by Tom (not verified) :: Mon, 05/07/2007 - 1:19am

WTF is Joe Theismann talking about?

42

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by Yowza (not verified) :: Mon, 05/07/2007 - 4:41am

“It’s not really fair to judge your second-day picks or your draft class as rookies. I don’t care if I’m right or wrong, this has just been my opinion over 15-20 years in the NFL — if four or five rookies start for you, you’re not very good.�

–Gruden

I'm glad he said it. I'm sure every team realizes it, but the way the NFL and ESPN sell the draft and try to immediately grade every single pick, it often gets washed away. The truth is the majority of draftees will be lucky to be replacement-level players, if they make it on a roster at all. If a team can consistently get 2-3 quality starters per draft, they are doing pretty darn well.

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by mawbrew (not verified) :: Mon, 05/07/2007 - 9:53am

I'm a little surprised Savage hasn't caught some flak for revealing his draft plans (well, at least a small part of his draft plan) to an agent. As shrouded in secrecy as this stuff normally is, why would you take any risk that something would leak out? I'm sure Savage thought Quinn was a great guy during 'the process' but Savage's only obligation is to the Browns.

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by sam (not verified) :: Mon, 05/07/2007 - 12:19pm

But it wouldn't have served Condon's interests TO leak the information. If it builds on a foundation to have a good relationship with an agent, then he has done the Browns a favor it seems to me.

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by ShoresInFlames (not verified) :: Mon, 05/07/2007 - 4:18pm

@59, Tom

Awesome post Tom. Thanks for all the Fish.

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by fxstc111 (not verified) :: Mon, 05/21/2007 - 8:50pm

Old Joe was opining on his views and just giving you losers his thoughts of a very disrespectfull way to present one's self to the world stage by looking like a cow chewing his cud, in a beverly hillbillys suit and half tie, and why didn't his mommy comb his hair for him?