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13 Sep 2007

The Week in Quotes: September 13, 2007

compiled by Ben Riley

COMPLETE MELTBROWN

"We're going to take this game and win it, and we're going to move on. It's not even a second thought in our heads. There's no doubt in my mind [we're going to win]."

-- Browns wide receiver Josh Cribbs, offering his prediction about the Browns season-opener versus the Pittsburgh Steelers, shortly before the Steelers crushed the Browns 34-7 (Cleveland Plain-Dealer)

"For a home opener, we didn't do very well. We didn't play good at all. There's no explanation I can give you for it."

-- Soon-to-be-fired Browns head coach Romeo Crennel

"Going in, we felt we had a positive mindframe."

-- Crennel

"We're not good enough to overcome as deep a hole we dug for ourselves."

-- Crennel

"Turnovers. Sacks. Drops. Touchdown passes we gave up. All of those things make the final score what it is."

-- Crennel

"We just got beat by a better team today. I know it was preseason but we went out to Denver, and we beat Denver, and we were a pretty good team then. Now today, we're not a very good team."

-- Crennel

"They [Anderson and Frye] didn't play very well. They need to play better. If they play better, that could help us."

-- Crennel

"He's a kid and the game was out of reach. What am I going to do, put him and throw him to the dogs? I didn't feel ... at the time the game was that I should do that to him. Because that wouldn't be very good for him either."

-- Crennel, when asked if he considered putting Brady Quinn in the game

"As the game went on, it was like an avalanche."

-- Crennel (above quotes taken from post-game press conference available at the Browns official Web site. Watch the video and count how many times Crennel wipes sweat from his forehead.)

"There's a plan, but I'm just not letting you guys know yet."

-- Crennel, when asked who he planned to start at quarterback for Week 2 (The Columbus Dispatch)

"This move obviously clarifies our quarterback situation."

-- Browns general manager Phil Savage, after trading Charlie Frye -- who had been the team's starting quarterback just 48 hours earlier -- to the Seattle Seahawks for a sixth-round draft pick (ESPN.com)

IF HE HAS A CONSCIENCE HE WILL SUFFER FOR HIS MISTAKE. THAT WILL BE HIS PUNISHMENT -- AS WELL AS THE PRISON.

"There is an investigation going on now, and perhaps an adjudication of it, and I think it would be inappropriate at this time to make any comment."

-- Patriots owner Bob Kraft, reacting to the allegation that the New England Patriots taped the Jets' defensive hand signals during the Patriots-Jets season opener

"When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things. We understand that. "

-- Kraft

"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game. Clubs have specifically been reminded in the past that the videotaping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals on the sidelines is prohibited."

-- Statement of NFL league representative Greg Aiello

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

-- Ray Anderson, the NFL's head of football operations, in a memo sent to head coaches and general managers on Sept. 6, 2006

"Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league's decision, I will have further comment."

-- Patriots head coach Bill Belichick (Patriots.com)

"Are there any questions about the Chargers? Do you want to talk about the football game? That statement pretty much covers it."

-- Belichick, when asked if he was embarrassed by the allegations

"We take pride in what we do. We know the rules of the game. By no facet or shape or form have we ever tried to cheat or anything like that because we don't need to."

-- Patriots cornerback Ellis Hobbs

"Our mindset right now is the San Diego Chargers. We're not playing against a video tape."

-- Patriots running back Kevin Faulk

"Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, so those rumors are founded on something. No, it's not totally shocking, no."

-- Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, offering his take on the scandal (above quotes taken from WCVB TV -- Channel 5 Boston and/or The Boston Globe)

"I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying.'"

-- LaDainian Tomlinson, offering his take (Yahoo! Sports)

NOT THAT RON'S BITTER ABOUT THOSE INTERCEPTIONS IN THE SUPER BOWL OR ANYTHING

"He told us that Rex was kind of a mental midget so you can get into his head and create that doubt."

-- Chargers linebacker Matt Wilhelm, describing the instructions that his position coach -- and former Chicago defensive coordinator -- Ron Rivera gave him before playing against Bears quarterback Rex Grossman (North County Times)

"[Rivera] has never been around me. He's always been up in the booth."

-- Rex Grossman, responding to Rivera's "mental midget" allegation

"I think Ron Rivera showed you right there why he's not here anymore. He's kind of a me guy."

-- Bears center Olin Kreutz describing Rivera, but not explicitly disagreeing with him (Chicago Tribune)

YOU THINK I'M LICKED. YOU ALL THINK I'M LICKED. WELL, I'M NOT LICKED.

"The San Diego Chargers have lost their minds! My baby will never make it to a Super Bowl!"

-- Loreane Tomlinson, mother of LaDainian Tomlinson, when she heard that Chargers general manager A.J. Smith was not going to resign quarterback Drew Brees

"I resent GMs who are on 100 radio shows, 100 TV shows and never turn down a quote."

-- A.J. Smith

"The players, they're human beings. They have feelings. But their job is to play as hard as they can and hope that upstairs gets it done."

-- Smith

"I can't believe it. How are we going to win a Super Bowl if we're starting from scratch again?"

-- LaDainian Tomlinson's words to his wife, Torsha, after finding out Smith had fired Marty Schottenheimer

"Use every little slight to drive you."

-- Michael Jordan to Tomlinson, after LdT asked him how to stay driven

"I want you to know something. Trust me a little bit on this: I promise you, your career will not be in vain."

-- Smith to Tomlinson in 2003 (ESPN.com)

PUT ANOTHER WAY, THE LITTLE KID IN KELLY HOLCOMB'S BRAIN DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE

"It's the most overrated thing in sports."

-- Peyton Manning, on whether one team can gain an advantage by signing players who have recently been released from an upcoming opponent

"'I'm telling you, Peyton's going to change it up. He knows I'm here, he's going to give you a dummy audible early. I'm telling you, he's not stupid. So, just play your keys.'"

-- Manning, describing information quarterback Kelly Holcomb (who had recently been cut by the Colts) funneled to the Browns in 2002 before the two teams played each other

"Second half, we get a good drive going and it's fourth-and-3. So we run our bread-and-butter play, a little five-yard under route. Well, I signal the play and Holcomb -- it's the same signal -- so he says, 'Ah, now I'm going to help them.' So he says, 'They're running the five-yard under play! Five-yard under play!'"

-- Manning, still building to the payoff

"And so you can see it on the film -- they're going, 'Watch the slants, watch the slants.' So they load up, all inside technique, and they go into a man defense. Well, I see this and I see the defenders all change up -- that's the thing about the no-huddle, I can see this -- and I kept the receivers doing the same thing and I checked to a zone running play and it's only six guys who gotta know -- the linemen and the back [James Mungro]. And he goes 29 yards untouched for a touchdown."

-- Manning, not quite there yet

"And so their guys go to Holcomb, all pissed off, 'So, they're running a slant, huh? Thanks a freaking lot, Holcomb.'"

-- Manning, dropping the hammer (Sports Illustrated)

THE 49ERS ARE NOT IN THE EIGHTH DIMENSION, THEY ARE OVER IN THE NFC WEST. HOPE IS NOT LOST.

"Wherever we are at is where we are right now."

-- 49ers head coach Mike Nolan, waxing philosophical

"We have every right to expect that."

-- Nolan (San Francisco Chronicle)

NOBODY PUTS LIGHTS OUT IN A CORNER

"The thing is, if you're going to do it, do it all the time. Do it when you make a bad play, too. You'll never see me doing any stupid (stuff) like that after a play. The only thing I'll do is get a little happy with my teammates."

-- Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, criticizing Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman's dance moves

"Say what you want, but you have bigger problems than my 'Lights Out' dance Sunday. I wouldn't be too concentrated on my dance or what I do."

-- Merriman, responding to Urlacher's critique

"No. I really don't care to know him, actually ... I've got plenty of things to say about him, but it's not important. I'll see him Sunday."

-- Merriman (North County Times)

THE WEEK IN HERM

"It's very simple. It's not hard to figure out. You turn the ball over four times on the road, that's not good."

-- Herm Edwards, reacting to the Chiefs 20-3 loss to the Texans

"You turn it over and they score on turnovers, that's not very good."

-- Edwards

"Right now, he's our kicker. So that's where it's at."

-- Edwards on struggling rookie kicker Justin Medlock

"You can't turn the ball over four times on the road and expect to have a chance. It's amazing it was only 20. Generally when you give the ball away four times the score gets way out of whack."

-- Edwards

"You're not going to turn the ball over four times in the National Football League and win. You're kidding yourself."

-- Edwards

"In life, you're not perfect. People might look at a little flaw, and maybe make a big deal out of it."

-- Edwards (from postgame press conference available on the Chiefs official Web site)

DOES THAT MAKE ROY WILLIAMS STARSCREAM, SOUNDWAVE OR LASERBEAK?

"He's real quiet ... He's a good athlete, he's big as hell, he's Megatron."

-- Lions wide receiver Roy Williams, describing his teammate Calvin Johnson (Detroit Free Press)

"I always try to find the little guy, but there wasn't a little guy. I wouldn't bring my little guy here, either."

-- Williams, explaining why he gave his touchdown ball to a woman wearing a black Calvin "Megatron" Johnson jersey among the fans in the stands in Oakland's Black Hole (Detroit Free-Press)

AND IS CORY REDDING GRIMLOCK?

"He's a nutcase. He'll walk up behind you in his jockstrap and pour hot wax down your back."

-- Lions defensive tackle Cory Redding, describing center Dominic Raiola

"He's crazy. No, I mean he's seriously crazy. You see this quiet guy: 'We're going to work on fundamentals.' But when he's in that meeting room with us, it's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And he smiles while he's saying something crazy."

-- Redding, describing Lions head coach Rod Marinelli

"Shaun doesn't like to brush his teeth during training camp. It's horrible. He'll be up in your face and his breath smells like three weeks ago."

-- Redding on fellow defensive tackle Shaun Rogers (from The Sporting News as quoted in the Detroit Free Press)

FOR KEVIN EVERETT

"Based on our experience, the fact that he's moving so well, so early after such a catastrophic injury means he will walk again."

-- Dr. Barth Green, chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of Miami school of medicine and treating physician for the Bills' tight end

"It's totally spectacular, totally unexpected."

-- Green (Yahoo! Sports)

THE REST

"When I was a backup, the crowd cheered for me, too. They gave him a cheer and I'm glad they did. He needs support; our whole team needs support. There's nothing wrong with that."

-- Jets quarterback Chad Pennington, when asked about the cheers that were heard when Pennington injured his ankle and Kellen Clemens briefly entered the game (New York Daily News)

"If Tom Coughlin had not remained as head coach of the Giants, I might still be in a Giants uniform. [Coughlin] robbed me of what had been one of the most important things I had in my life, which was the joy I felt playing football. I had lost that. He had taken it away."

-- Tiki Barber, excerpted from "Tiki: My Life in the Game and Beyond" (originally published by the New York Daily News before being withdrawn because of legal threats)

"I guess he had a little conversation with DeAngelo Williams about him shutting me down ... And I've just been kind of marinating on it for a whole year."

-- Panthers wide receiver Steve Smith, relating comments allegedly made by St. Louis cornerback Tye Hill to DeAngelo Williams (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)

"I'm a little ticked off. Maybe it's motivating [for] them. I don't know why. I ain't never had a fumble against them, so I don't know why they feel it's a problem. Oh, well."

-- Lions running back Tatum Bell, after being informed that the Oakland Raiders had named their fumble-recovery drill the "Tatum Bell Drill." (Detroit Free Press)

"We got the 'Brady sucks' thing going on after we beat 'em 38-14. Only in the Meadowlands.''

-- Tom Brady (Sports Illustrated)

"He wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight."

-- Ravens linebacker Bart Scott, describing Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson (Washington Post)

"The NFL is a dream. It's not real. It's not the same as the real world."

-- Chiefs in-house Zen guru Priest Holmes, offering up Holmes' Koan IV (ESPN.com)

Remember to send your quotes to quotes-at-footballoutsiders.com. And remember: I seen you and little Steven and Joanna 'round the back of my hotel.

Posted by: Ben Riley on 13 Sep 2007

48 comments, Last at 17 Sep 2007, 8:12pm by Alex

Comments

1
by David (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 6:56am

Man, between the Qualcomm Leap screenplay on the Rundown and the Transformers nicknames(particularly the Grimlock reference, Go Dinobots!) it's like today's FO experience is a tour of my childhood. If you could work in a Silverhawks and/or Thundercats reference, I'd really appreciate it.

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by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:05am

I guess this is the thread for Mike Ditka's monday night description of the 9ers victory over the Cards.

"A lot of great paintings weren't on canvas."

Not exactly sure what that's supposed to mean. Did he mean to say something like, 'Not all art is beautiful' Cause canvas or not the Sistine Chapel still doesn't burn your eyes until 4 minutes before you're done looking at it.

re 1, Rex Grossman is clearly Snarfer. (Brett Favre is now Snarf but that's irrelevant)

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:57am

So Quinn starts next week.
Who they're playing?
.
The Patriots will get beat by the Chargers and everybody will think they've mistaken cheating for geniality.

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 8:15am

What is "the ‘Brady sucks’ thing" ??

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by Stuart Fraser :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:02am

3 - the Browns play the Bengals next week. The Bengals' pass rush looked pretty good against the Ravens, who were, however, missing Ogden. Of course, the Browns don't *have* an Ogden.

Cleveland will probably not look quite so horrible this week regardless of who starts at QB, because NFL teams don't generally post -89% DVOA in successive weeks.

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by David (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:10am

Buckaroo Banzai reference! I love this site so much.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:23am

The Corry Redding quotes are hysterical. Hot wax?

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by Dean (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 10:08am

RE#4

After the game, Brady was being interviewed as part of the post-game schlock. Some Jest fans saw him and started chanting "Brady Sucks" loud enough for it to be audible over the TV. He chuckled as he said it. Hardly noteworthy - except that it came from the mouth of St. Tom, ergo it must be newsworthy. And I don't say that to be critical of this site - I've seen it in several places on the net.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 10:50am

I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, ‘If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.’

Wasn't that the mantra of some Professional wrestler/manager? I can hear Bobby "The Brain" Heenan saying something like that. Then again, I haven't watched professional wrestling in the time that TheDanian has been alive, so maybe it's familiar from somewhere else.

Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat -- Ken Patera

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by zlionsfan (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 10:58am

Replace "you're not" with "you ain't" and it seems to fit perfectly with NASCAR ... who, by the way, currently happens to be trying to crack down on rule-breaking in order to improve their image.

It's a cute little saying, but sad as well.

I took Brady's quote to mean that in most stadiums, after your team got thrashed, you wouldn't stay around and make noise, but Jets fans are different: one more shot at Brady is always worth it.

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by jeffm (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 10:59am

Reported on Boston talk radio that the video taping rule is in effect only for taping that is used during the game in progress. If the Pats weren't using it for the current game then no violation. Can anyone confirm the rule for me?

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by Frank (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:00am

You messed up the Kreutz quote. He said Rivera is a "me guy," not "mean guy."

They have it right in the article you link to.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:13am

RE: 9. "If you're not cheating, you're not trying." was the late Eddie Guerrero, when his gimmick was that he and his nephew would "Lie, cheat, and steal" whenever possible.

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by Chris, Berlin (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:17am

According to the Chicago Bears website (click my name for the link), Olin Kreutz did not say "kind of a mean guy" about Rivera but "kind of a 'me' guy".

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by Noah of Arkadia (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:34am

It's funny Payton said those things just before the Patriots thing, but it's important to remember that the "overrated" thing has to do with him (or any player) knowing the other team has your signals. Then you can play tricks with their minds. If you don't know, however...

Let's put it this way, the Americans winning the battle of Midway -being heavily outgunned and outnumbered- was 80% good intel -stealing the other "team's" signals and giving them some phony ones of their own.

Love Buckaroo Banzai too!

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by Noah of Arkadia (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:45am

12, 14. Well, it sounds pretty mean to me. Maybe he's a "me" guy too. But what's that got to do with calling Rex a brain midget?

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by Noah of Arkadia (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:50am

Then again, calling a guy mean in football is like calling a flower beautiful. I don't think a player would be caught dead saying something "sensitive" like that.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:59am

Yeah, that's the point: The mistake makes it sound like Kreutz is sniffling and whining to his mom that Rivera is "mean."

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by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 12:07pm

"Let’s put it this way, the Americans winning the battle of Midway -being heavily outgunned and outnumbered- was 80% good intel -stealing the other “team’s� signals and giving them some phony ones of their own."

Most of the remaining 20% was poor Japanese leadership and faulty doctrine. So that's Jack Del Rio and the Jags screwed then.

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by pound4pound (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 12:29pm

FYI, the Bart Scott quote is from a Jay-Z song, "99 Problems". Linked below.

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by db (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 12:56pm

The Rivera quote is priceless. When Grossman made his New Years Eve party excuse last season I thought that, even if true, it was a stupid thing to say. The reality is that many of those that play the game we love are basically mouth breathing knuckle draggers.

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by Noah of Arkadia (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 1:18pm

lol at James, London

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by B (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 1:47pm

16: It's a classic ad homenium attack. When you can't refute the claim (that Grossman is kind of dumb) attack the messenger instead.

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by Ben Riley :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 1:59pm

#12 & #14

I have changed the Kreutz quote to "me" instead of "mean." I'm not 100% sure that it wasn't originally published as "mean," but we'll go with what the Tribune is currently publishing. Thanks for the catch.

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by Richie (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 3:09pm

Tiki Barber made legal threats to the New York Daily News?

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by Bart (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 3:43pm

Best part of the quote from Tomlinson re: Patriots is the roid rager that plays LB for the chargers...

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by Dan (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 3:53pm

Medlock is no longer the Chiefs kicker (linked below).

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 5:07pm

6 & 15, how'd I miss the Buckaroo Banzai reference? Where? John Whorfin will have my head for this!

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 5:08pm

Never mind. Got it. 8th dimension. No matter where you go... there you are. D'oh!

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by Jeff (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 5:15pm

I think it's funny that Tomlinson had puppies last year when he thought the Patriots were disrespecting his team but I haven't heard a peep out of him regarding his teamates taking cheap personal shots at the Bears all week long.

I'm also amused by Rivera calling anyone a mental midget. The guy goes from being a "hot" head coaching canidate to being a middle linebackers coach. Anyone who saw Rivera's blitz designs last year will probably get a good chuckle out of Rivera implying someone isn't too bright. Guy's had like 10 interviews to be a head coach and gotten exactly no consideration. Mental midget indeed.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 5:31pm

"#I think it’s funny that Tomlinson had puppies last year when he thought the Patriots were disrespecting his team but I haven’t heard a peep out of him regarding his teamates taking cheap personal shots at the Bears all week long."

Oh c'mon, Ladanian is just soooo classy.

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by Chris G (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 5:56pm

RE #11,

I'd really like some more info on this suggestion if anyone has any.

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by David (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 6:01pm

I believe the rule is on taping that is usable during the game in question - defined as being recorded outside of specific areas monitored by league agents. The sideline isn't on the list.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:25pm

Did anyone see video of LDT when he was giving that quote? He was clearly half joking -- or at least he found the whole thing amusing.

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by Biffy (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:27pm

@15 - Small distinction here. The battle of Midway took place in a WAR. NFL games, for all the silly war analogies loaded on them, are nothing more than sports exhibitions carried out by businesses in controlled circumstances with rules, referees and so forth.

Chester Nimitz lead his fellow citizens in battle to defend his nation from its enemies. Bill Bellichick leads his corporation's employees in a for-profit sporting contests. Can you spot the difference there?

@33
“Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.�
– Ray Anderson, the NFL’s head of football operations, in a memo sent to head coaches and general managers on Sept. 6, 2006

Ok, what, exactly is the technicality the Patriots are supposed to have used? "any other locations accessible" would seem to indicate the stands, or private boxes, hallways etc. If the videotaper got into a given are then it is, by definition, accessible.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:48pm

biffy, thats a point of emphasis referring to a rule. The rule itself clearly states "during the game".

I'd bet that bellichik is saying that if the parameters of the rule have been changed, the rule should have been changed, and it hasn't been.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 1:15am

@35
But but but... Kellen Winslow is a F*&*in SOLDIER, dammit! A soldja, I tell you!

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by Teh Broilermaster (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 3:24am

Re:37
..
They we're goin' for his knees! This ain't football, it's war.

P.S.: K2 is a F**kin idiot.

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by Dan (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 4:49am

Don't know if anyone has said anythign yet, but Scott's line is far from original. Wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight is from Jay-Z "99 problems". lol what an idiot.

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by Hollywood Wags (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 9:53am

Hey Brainiac Schatz...can't let any Patriot whining with your buddy Simmons go by without a shot at the Steelers?

Can you say "tainted victories". I knew you could.

"Remember when Jim Haslett admitted to using steroids when he was playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers during their dynasty years of the '70s?"

...

"Haslett who played in Buffalo from 1979 to 1985, and finished his career in 1987 with the New York Jets, admitted Wednesday that he experimented with steroids, believing he needed them to keep up with the many players he felt used them."

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 12:53pm

'“Let’s put it this way, the Americans winning the battle of Midway -being heavily outgunned and outnumbered- was 80% good intel -stealing the other “team’s� signals and giving them some phony ones of their own.�

Most of the remaining 20% was poor Japanese leadership and faulty doctrine. So that’s Jack Del Rio and the Jags screwed then.'

Actually, the extent to which the odds were stacked against the USN in terms of materiel at Midway tends to be overstated. All those battleships and cruisers were just padding (though not many at the time realised it); the meaningful number is 4:3 - the ratio of Japanese to American fleet carrers. So the US were underdogs on paper, but not by too much. I'd also say that a random, freak event, in the form of a seaplane catapault malfunction (on Tone if I remember correctly) was pretty crucial to the outcome. Add it all up, and what do you have? The Patriots winning in San Diego thanks to the McCree-Brown-Caldwell interception fumble recovery play. New England fans had better hope that doesn't make Sunday night's game Savo Island . . .

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by emcee fleshy (sd/atl) (not verified) :: Fri, 09/14/2007 - 6:00pm

I have now learned more about WWII than football during this thread.

Man, do I love FO!

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by JoshuaPerry (not verified) :: Sat, 09/15/2007 - 7:01am

42 WW2 is slightly more important to the world than football.

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by Terry (not verified) :: Sat, 09/15/2007 - 12:52pm

42: ... this has to win some kind of FO end of year award.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sat, 09/15/2007 - 1:38pm

Bart Scott apparently thinks he's Jay-Z?

Herm, entertaining as always.

Is Tatum Bell's "I've never fumbled against the Raiders true?"

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by Archimedes Owl (not verified) :: Sun, 09/16/2007 - 12:59am

2: Seems to me that he probably meant that some beautiful plans were never executed. That the great ideas never materialized and instead you have incomplete or blank canvases.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 09/17/2007 - 12:21am

I'm not convinced Ron Rivera is a mental giant himself. So I guess they're even.

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by Alex (not verified) :: Mon, 09/17/2007 - 8:12pm

biffy, thats a point of emphasis referring to a rule. The rule itself clearly states “during the game�.

So does the point of emphasis:

"Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."