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02 Feb 2010

The Week in Quotes: February 2, 2010

compiled by Rory Hickey

EARLIER THIS POSTSEASON IT WAS DEUCE MCALLISTER BROUGHT ON FOR INSPIRATION, NOW IT'S JOHN RAMBO

"This guy's got a great clock in his head. The big thing is that he throws the ball so early that we're going to have to do a good job of finding ways to get to him and when we do get to him we're going to have to make sure he gets a couple 'remember me' shots when we get there."

"Here's the deal. When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior's mind, he doesn't play all out. If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you'd like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn't get back up and play again."

-- Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams on if he would talk to his defense about the potential for calls protecting Colts quarterback Peyton Manning. (Deadspin)

I WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME!

"They were the better team. Their offense turned the ball over five times, the Viking offense. But still if he didn't make that stupid play at the end of the game they would have won the game."

-- Former Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton, once again giving a Brett Favre-related opinion. (Sports Radio Interviews)

WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE STILTS AT THAT POINT?

"The last two games you guys have seen me play, it wasn't really me. I was out there on one leg. It felt like being on a pogo stick. This week I'll have two pogo sticks instead of one."

-- Saints tight end Jeremy Shockey on the relative health of his legs. (NOLA.com)

HOW DARE YOU ANTAGONIZE THE DARK LORD ROGER GOODELL?!?

"Please either drop your present ridiculous position or sue me."

-- Louisiana senator David Vitter asking NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to concede that the phrase "Who Dat?" is in the public domain. (Examiner.com)

IMAGINE HOW MANY TOUCHDOWNS YOU WOULD HAVE CAUGHT IF YOU DIDN'T CALL YOUR QUARTERBACKS GAY

"I know hands-down I'd be close to Jerry Rice's records if I had been with quality quarterbacks like he had. He had Joe Montana and he finished with Steve Young. That wasn't a dropoff. Say I had been with a guy like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees all of my career. Are you kidding me?"

-- Bills wide receiver Terrell Owens further proclaiming his brilliance. (The Huddle)

WHAT'S THE PRO BOWL?

"It's different. It was like 7-on-7. Everybody came out here trying not to get hurt and give the fans a good show."

-- Redskins linebacker Brian Orakpo on the atmosphere of the Pro Bowl. The AFC won 41-34, but you knew that already. (ESPN)

NOW ALL WE NEED IS JIM CALDWELL'S OPINION ... IF ONLY HE WERE ALIVE

"It's stupid."

-- Colts president Bill Polian on the new Pro Bowl procedure which forced members of the Super Bowl teams who were supposed to play in the Pro Bowl to fly to Miami ahead of their teams even though they weren't playing in the game. (Pro Football Talk)

"I got to fly on a private plane with some of my best friends and teammates. We had Ruth's Chris Steakhouse on the flight. We got a private escort right into Miami, shook a few hands, did one interview and made $45,000. I can think of worse things to put yourself through."

-- Colts quarterback Peyton Manning on the horrors of flying ahead of the team for the Pro Bowl. (The Huddle)

BRAYLON EDWARDS IS AN NFL VETERAN AND HAS HEARD THIS LECTURE BEFORE

"I told our players to wear their Jets stuff and be proud of it. There's no reason we shouldn't be proud to be a New York Jet. This isn't the Same Old Jets, and any negative connotation that way is crazy. Like I said, punch somebody in the nose for it if that's the case. That's the way we feel because our football team is tough."

-- Jets coach Rex Ryan on what he told his team to do during the offseason. (The Huddle)

AT LEAST THAT'S ONE CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THE BILLS

"As much as everyone talked about how much experience the Bills had back then, they partied harder than any other team. That's all we heard about the entire week in L.A., the [Cowboys'] first Super Bowl. They were out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Couple guys got into altercations in the clubs, older, veteran guys with the Bills. Experience doesn't mean that much, it's all about leadership. There's a reason they lost four Super Bowls. They partied harder than any other team."

-- ESPN analyst Darren Woodson when asked about the experience advantage the Bills held over his Cowboys leading up to Super Bowl XXVII, which was won by the Cowboys. (Sports by Brooks)

ANYTHING THAT MAKES THE PRO BOWL INTERESTING WOULD NOT HAPPEN

"Yesterday was punting, today was kickoffs, tomorrow will be field goals. I don't know. We'll see what happens. It shouldn't be a problem. If they're going to let me do it, I'm going to do it early in the game before they get serious and they start to play for real."

-- Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco, on potentially kicking for the AFC in the Pro Bowl. Sadly, he did not. (Yahoo!)

WILLIAM HUNG THINKS LARRY PLATT IS GETTING TOO MUCH ATTENTION

"I think the 'Pants on the Ground' guy is better than Coach Coyer."

-- Colts cornerback Kelvin Hayden on Colts 66-year-old defensive coordinator Larry Coyer's dancing skills (NFL Nation Blog)

TO BE FAIR HE WAS EXPLAINING HOW TO USE THE INTERNET TO AL DAVIS

"Very serious walkthrough ... Nnamdi Asomugha talking on the cell while going through kick coverage drill."

-- The Boston Globe's Albert Breer reporting on Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and the seriousness that is the Pro Bowl. (Twitter)

POOR CHOICE OF NATURAL DISASTER

"Well if it was me, I would hope a hurricane comes through."

-- Patriots cornerback Shawn Springs appearing on ESPN's First Take, on which team he would rather not face between the Saints and the Colts. (Sports by Brooks)

GIVE ME A HAND JOB AND I'LL GIVE YOU A COFFEE TABLE ... THAT'S CRAIGSLIST

"WILL TRADE; Left testicle for Super Bowl tickets"

-- Craigslist ad from a person who is very ballsy in his request for Super Bowl tickets. (Craigslist)

IF I AGREE WITH DON IMUS DOES THAT MAKE ME A RACIST?

"They're great, I saw them four times in concert last year. I did, I did! And I got to meet them, Joe and Kevin and Nick. These guys are going to be the biggest thing since the Beatles."

-- CBS analyst and Super Bowl announcer Jim Nantz professing his love for the Jonas Brothers. (Sports by Brooks)

Why are you questioning my manhood? Because I think the Jonas brothers are a great act? Why wouldn't I [go to a Jonas brothers concert]? I recognize talent. ... By the fourth time I knew all the lyrics to their songs, they're great."

-- Nantz, responding to host Don Imus' comment that the Jonas Brothers are terrible.

JAMES HARRISON DID THE SAME THING IN THE SUPER BOWL LAST YEAR

"I said, 'This is my only time to shine.' I only ran slow because I wanted to get some camera time. I could have gotten down there in a matter of seconds. I slowed up to get a little camera time for the people back at home."

-- Steelers linebacker LaMarr Woodley on purposely slowing down on an interception return during the Pro Bowl (the interception was called back due to a holding penalty). (NFL Fan House)

THE VIKINGS COULD HAVE THE STRANGEST LOCKER ROOM DYNAMIC IN THE LEAGUE

"Silver fox, everything but my backside loves you, but if you come back, I will let you slap my rear end every single day. In no way gay at all, but I will take that stinging pain and I will eat it every day."

-- Vikings defensive end Jared Allen pleading to quarterback Brett Favre not to retire. (Pro Football Talk)

I THINK PEYTON COULD HANDLE THE COACHING DUTIES FOR A COUPLE HOURS

"I might be slightly busy."

-- Colts coach Jim Caldwell on whether he would attend any of the Pacers' games this week, which include matches featuring Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. (Colts.com)

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Posted by: Rory Hickey on 02 Feb 2010

40 comments, Last at 08 Feb 2010, 7:48pm by bravehoptoad

Comments

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by Temo :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 11:47am

Lets be fair here: Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, and Jeff Garcia had their best statistical seasons with TO in the mix. While none of those QBs are awful, and all had decent years without TO, you have to concede that he's a better WR than those guys are QBs. If TO had more than 2 years of Steve Young and had been thrown to by Joe Montana and Steve Young his whole career, he'd probably get pretty close to Jerry Rice's numbers.

Yes, I know, there's no telling if he would have blown up with those other guys as well. Rice obviously was a quieter guy (if actually no less of a dick, at least he kept it out of the press).

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by billsfan :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:11pm

McNabb was in four consecutive Pro Bowls and three consecutive conference championship games before TO showed up (2004). TO was an incremental improvement, at best, helping perennial playoff contender get one game farther in the playoffs, and McNabb had three consecutive injury-shortened seasons after the first with TO. In 2006, for example, he had a (slightly) better YPA than in '04, playing only 10 games. 2004 was also the first year of emphasis on illegal contact, so most QBs had career seasons that year (e.g. Manning, Culpepper, neither of whom has matched their 2004 performance since TO left the Eagles).

Romo's young. It's not unreasonable to say that we have yet to see his best statistical season, and this year certainly came close to his best TO season.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by Temo :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:49pm

McNabb's Rate+ for that '04 season was 131, meaning that he had a QB rating 31% better than league average. That's his best Rate+ for his career, by a long shot (2nd in '06 at 119).

Romo isn't young anymore, he'll be 30 next season.It's conceivable that he could put up a better season than '07, and he came close this year, but it's not probable.

TO hasn't had bad QBs, that's not all what I'm saying. But Rice had great QBs, and it's conceivable that given similar QBs, TO would have had similar success. Again, conceivable but not probable-- Rice just has sick numbers compared to every other WR. And as well as TO's aged (until recently), I think Rice has aged even better than him.

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by Thok :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:19pm

If you look at Rice's stats with Grbac/Kemp/Bono/Moroski/Cavanugh (24 games worth), they translate to a season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns (I'm blatantly stealing this from Pro-Football-Reference's blog write up of Rice for the HOF.) Now, some of that is him being the clear number 1 receiver in that short term replacement, but I think it's clear that Rice would be a good receiver even without great QB's.

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by Harris :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:21pm

Fine, but did Montana and Young make Rice? Or did Rice make Montana and Young? McNabb and Owens both went nuts in 2004. Had TO fought the apparently overwhelming urge to publicly shit on his QB, we might be talking about McNabb to Owens the same way we talk about Montana to Rice.

Hail Hydra!

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:01pm

Joe Montana had made multiple Pro Bowl teams, had multiple Super Bowl MVP awards, and had qbed a 18-1 Super Bowl champ, prior to Rice arriving on the roster. It is very safe to say that Rice did not make Montana.

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by billsfan :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:59pm

Peyton Manning's 2004 rate+ was 151. He didn't top 129 in any other season, and I'm not gonna put it all on Brandon Stokley. TO arrived in Philly the same time as the illegal contact rules change. As difficult as it is to separate QB performance from WR performance, having a pro-passer rules clarification doesn't make things any easier.

In most of P-F-R's other averaged efficiency stats, McNabb's 2006 season equals or surpasses 2004. Comp % and TD % were lower, but so was INT %.

As others have said, TO's main problem is that he keeps getting run out of town.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by Dean :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:01pm

It would be more accurate to say that his main problem is that he keeps running himself out of town.

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by Dean :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:00pm

TO didn't help Philly get any further. The only playoff game he played in in Philly, the team lost. He missed the entire playoffs except the Super Bowl due to his injury. That he wouldn't shut up about.

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by Temo :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:07pm

Well, he didn't win a playoff game with Dallas either, and they won as soon as he left, but I'm not going to say he didn't make the team better. It's hard to argue that he didn't make Philly's offense better.

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by billsfan :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:11pm

Right... I forgot about that.

I should also add that a receiver who wasn't as good as TO, but was still better than Stinkston/Trash/FredEx, probably would have still produced McNabb's best statistical season in 2004.

(I also like the Eagles)

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by TXNiner :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:18pm

Big difference between TO and The GOAT: Rice didn't have a chronic case of the dropsies. As long as TO has been in the league he's been known to drop passes. I remember when I was watching the 1998 Wild Card Game against the Packers, when he caught the winning TD, I was shocked he actually caught the ball.

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by Sophandros :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:13pm

He was good with the Niners when they had veteran leadership on the team. With leadership, he's Terrell Owens. Without leadership, he is TO. And he was still right in his assessment of McNabb's heart...

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Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

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by JIPanick :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:17pm

I disagree. I'm not trying to argue that Romo/McNabb/Garcia are better than Young/Montana but remember how much easier it's gotten to pass the ball in this league over the last fifteen years. Without taking that into account, Steve Young's best season would rank third of five on Romo's career list. So would Montana's.

McNabb wasn't as good as Romo has been, but T.O. caught him at his best. McNabb was an elite quarterback (unadjusted Young/Montana level) from 2004-2006. He didn't take off until T.O. arrived, but kept going at that level (in efficiency numbers, his totals went down because he missed games with injuries both years) for nearly two years after Owens left. I'd argue Owens benefited from McNabb at least as much as McNabb benefited from Owens, and that McNabb's decline was age related rather than due to Owens leaving.

Jeff Garcia holds the 49ers passing yardage record for a single season, I believe.

Essentially, Owens HAS had the same level of quarterbacking Rice did and hasn't kept up. If he had, I would argue he isn't as good as Rice because of the era change. As it is, I don't have to.

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by Temo :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 2:12pm

McNabb wasn't as good as Romo has been

Actually, McNabb '04 had a better QB rating/DVOA/VOA than Romo's ever had (though not by much). He had an amazing year that year, though I do agree that it stands out as much for the absolute shit he had before Owens than Owens' own skills.

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by JIPanick :: Wed, 02/03/2010 - 2:33am

The point I was trying to make is that McNabb's career efficiency rating is quite a bit lower than Romo's. I concur that his peak years '04-'06 were as good as anything Romo has done. Pity for the Eagles he was injured for so many games those years.

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by Bill Prudden (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:02pm

I am afraid I also agree with TO. And it is not just the throwers, but the offensive schemes and overall talent levels of those offenses. Further, as Jerry aged and his talents changed, his OCs worked to use him in ways that best suited him, ending up, of course, with the slant and crossing route role in Oakland. I think that if any elite-level WRs, including TO but also Reed and Monk and Brown, who took care of their bodies and worked as hard as Rice and TO, had the same setup Rice did, they would all have, more or less, the same numbers.

What TO really needs to do is ask himself why he was out of Phili so quick... For without that exit, he would have had Young, Garcia (in his "prime"), and McNabb, and all in systems that fed him the ball... Imagine how open underneath he could be in Phili right now with Jackson and Maclin outside. TO vs. #3 CBS and LB / Safety zones...

Bill

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:34pm

Well, that's just it; T.O. was unlikely to stay in any city long enough, no matter how favorable the situation, because he is too effing stupid to keep his mouth shut when it would serve him to do so.

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by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:48pm

Six years in San Francisco. That's a pretty good haul. There was a time when he was humble -- that was the word that sprung to mind the first time I saw him interviewed as a rookie. After he had his 20-catch game (Rice's last game as a 49er) his head blew up, but I always think that if he'd been handled a bit differently, he'd have been a different player. It's a shame the team was going through DeBartolo death-agonies right about that time and had no clear leadership.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:08pm

Being humble isn't all that important. Not being a chowderhead is. Owens failed the 2nd test. Repeatedly.

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by IlluminatusUIUC (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 4:07pm

The point about leadership is an extremely good one. While TO would have put up better numbers if he spent his career with Montana and Young, there is no way either of those two would have been able to tolerate him for that long.

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by David :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 8:23pm

Just to point out that it wasn't Rice's last game as a 49er, it was his last *home* game as a 49er - they travelled in the final week of that season

It was the only 9er game I've been to (until the Broncos game this year), so I remember this kind of stuff :)

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by Phil Osopher :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:25pm

Agreed.

TO has (had) fabulous talent, but he was a complete cancer on the lines that even Pac-Man couldn't compete with.

He is the easiest first ballot Hall of Shamers for being the biggest asshole in sports. I don't think anyone compares to what he has accomplished in throwing each and every QB under the bus, each and every team under the bus, and each and every coaching staff under the bus.

Truly remarkable. A hero, a legend even, to all wishing to attain the highest level of asshole imaginable.

One of the reasons that he wasn't able to accomplish what he seems to think he should have is he never took personal responsibilty for his actions and its hard to learn and get better when all you do is blame others. Even with any HOF qb or about to be HOF qb, TO would have had the same types of years. He had some really good years, but also played with above average qb's in offenses built to get him the ball. So, what incremental difference would a great qb have given him? I don't think a huge jump. Maybe he would have had one really amazing year (ala Moss 2007) but I don't see this Jerry Rice level

Plus, Rice played for a million years and had a full second career with Oakland that even w/o SF one would have to say he was a pretty good player

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by bravehoptoad :: Wed, 02/03/2010 - 2:30pm

He is the easiest first ballot Hall of Shamers for being the biggest asshole in sports.

You're kidding, right? Who has T.O. murdered? How many manslaughter convictions? Hit and runs? Rapes? Assaults? How many dogs did he torture to death?

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by Eddo :: Wed, 02/03/2010 - 2:41pm

You don't have to be a criminal to be an asshole, and vice versa.

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by bravehoptoad :: Mon, 02/08/2010 - 7:48pm

To be the biggest asshole in sports, yeah, you have to do something that's worse than wife beating, murdering, and torturing animals for fun.

Being selfish and socially inept doesn't qualify.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:24pm

Fran Tarkenton is suffering from Bob Feller Syndrome, an affliction that results in an all-time great of decades past fatuously denigrating current all-time greats. I wish more guys would follow the example of Ted Williams, who, despite being in an obvious position of superiority, relative to other Hall of Famers, always was gracious regarding the accomplishments of current elite performers.

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by Temo :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:51pm

It's hard to come down hard on Tarkenton when really most people didn't think Favre was going to be as good as he was this year. That really came out of nowhere for me.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:17pm

I'm not claiming to be a soothsayer, since I thought he would get hurt, but you didn't have to have great foresight to know that he was worth the risk, relative to having Tavarisage Rosenjackfels taking snaps for an otherwise very talented roster. Also, Tarkenton's criticism went far beyond critical remarks about Favre's likely performance. It really was quite personal and moralistic in nature. Favre is no saint, but c'mon, to label a football player "despicable" because he is a goof about his career plans, his decision to play for a team which was the long time rival of his former team, and his desire to be in the spotlight, is just dumb.

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by Phil Osopher :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:31pm

*Tavarisage Rosenjackfels enters the locker room*

"All, please meet the starting QB of your 2010 Minnesota Vikings" --Brad "High School Science Teacher" Childress

*Owner walks in* "Brad, can you come here for a minute?" *Brad meanders over* Owner, "You're FIRED!!!!! (Vince McMahon style with spittle, ruby red face, and all)

*Vikings fans cheer* until they find out the team hired Mike Martz to replace him

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:38pm

Yeah, I think ol' Wilfy may have been better served by seeing if The Chiller could make one correct call in QB evaluation, other than having a still talented Hall of Famer fall into his lap, prior to giving him an extension.

There are about a half dozen coaches, or more, who have children who should send thank you notes to Hattiesburg, when they go off to colleges with expensive tuition bills.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:14pm

Meh! Dang you, Brett Favre, get offa my lawn!

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by TomC :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 4:05pm

I wish more guys would follow the example of Ted Williams

I thought you were going to advocate cryogenically preserving Fran Tarkenton. And not waiting until he croaks, either.

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by Doppleganger (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 12:58pm

Hahaha the Aziz Ansari reference made my day.

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by nasamomdele :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:46pm

The Woodley quote is even funnier considering how much time was devoted to replaying how badly he was getting picked apart in the first half of the pro bowl. Ray Lewis tells him "play him outside in!" So he takes outside leverage on Vernon Davis and gets beat to the outside by Vernon Davis. Repeat for 3 plays...

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by Dean :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 1:54pm

"We got a private escort right into Miami,"

I read that wrong and had flashbacks of Eugine Robinson.

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by TheChadHenneMemeIsADouche (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 4:21pm

I read that and wondered if they were comparing notes with Tiger Woods.

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by the K (not verified) :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 3:28pm

Well, Jim, certainly when a group's music can be totally memorized after a few listens, that will absolutely guarantee them Beatles-like longevity.

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by Hurt Bones :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 6:59pm

Now that he's memorized their lyrics, Nantz needs to record a spoken word cover album ala William Shatner.

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by Marko :: Tue, 02/02/2010 - 8:44pm

"Lucy in the Sky . . . with Diamonds!"

Shatner's spoken word rendition of that song is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.