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22 Oct 2010

This Week In Quotes: October 22, 2010

compiled by Rory Hickey

I FOCUS ON THE PAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT'S REAL

"You don't want to injure people. I don't want to injure anybody. But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

-- Steelers linebacker James Harrison after Sunday's victory over Cleveland in which he sidelined Browns wide receivers Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi with bruising hits in quick succession during the second quarter (ESPN)

UNBEKNOWNST TO CROWDER, ALL DEFENSIVE JERSEYS SOLD ARE ACTUALLY PINK

"If they're going to keep making us go more and more and more like a feminine sport, we're going to wear pink every game, not just on the breast cancer months."

-- Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder's thoughts on the NFL's crackdown on helmet to helmet hits (Palm Beach Post)

"They want to save the receivers and quarterbacks because they sell all the jerseys. They don't give a damn at all about defensive players because we don't sell as many jerseys as them."

-- Crowder (Sports Illustrated)

THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF FLAGS ALRIGHT

"It's freaking football. There are going to be big hits. I don't understand how they can do this after one weekend of hitting. And I can't understand how they can suspend us for it. I think it's a bunch of bull---t. You know what we should do? We should just put flags on everybody. Let's make it the NFFL -- the National Flag Football League. It's unbelievable.''

-- Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher (Chicago Tribune)

SOUNDS LIKE THE FORMULA FOR DVOA

"You're not going in and saying, 'When I take this 20-yard drop, the receiver runs this 15-yard dig, I've got to calculate my steps so I don't hit them in the head, so three by the square root of 25 and OK, this hit is going to hit him in the stomach. No, you can't do that. You have to try and be careful, and that's tough."

-- Cardinals safety Kerry Rhodes commenting on the difficulty for defenders of avoiding helmet-to-helmet hits (ArizonaCardinals.com)

WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH AN 18-GAME SEASON?

"This is the game of football. This is a game of speed. This is a game of power. This is a game of physical guys going to battle. Once you start saying to guys 'You'll get suspended for a game,' that's when you're going to get a very, very tentative football game."

"And you know, it's fine for the offensive players but I'm on the defensive side of the ball. So are you telling me that now I have to slow down? I think we're already being cautious of what we're doing and how we're attacking the ball or how we're trying to make a tackle. I think that's absolutely ridiculous because under any circumstances you can't just absolutely have control over your body when you're pursuing a tackle."

-- Giants safety Antrel Rolle's thoughts on the NFL's constraint on dangerous helmet-to-helmet hits (NY Daily News)

NEXT THING YOU KNOW JUSTIN BEIBER WILL BE SPORTING A Terrell Suggs JERSEY

"He was trying to tell me how to bag a Hollywood actress. He said, 'If you want to get a Hollywood actress, take my seminar on Saturday.' He was going over the Dow and the economy and politics. He doesn't really talk football that much."

-- Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs' recollection of what was said in a heated shouting match between he and Patriots quarterback Tom Brady after Brady complained about a non-call (Boston Herald)

"You know, we've played guys a lot, and they've beat us one time in all the times that I've played them. They talk a lot for beating us once in nine years."

-- Brady on the trash talk from the Baltimore Ravens even after the Patriots 23-20 overtime win (Boston Herald)

"For a guy that whines a lot ... at least I didn't have any rules put in for me. I don't care. I'm over it."

-- Suggs fanning the flames by bringing up the "Brady Rule," which prohibits a defender on the ground from lunging or diving at a quarterback's legs, which was enacted in large part because of Brady was injured under such circumstances (Baltimore Sun)

IT'S LIKE CHOOSING BETWEEN PAT'S AND GENO'S

"This is a beautiful thing. When you're sitting here as a chubby head coach in the National Football League, and you have two good quarterbacks, you're a happy guy. That's a positive thing."

-- Eagles coach Andy Reid on whether the play of quarterback Kevin Kolb will make it difficult to go back to Michael Vick as the starter

"You take Michael Kolb and we go play baby."

-- Reid responding to a question about how he will make the call of who should start at quarterback (Falcons.com)

ZIMMER LEFT PETRINO IN WORSE SHAPE THAN PETRINO LEFT THE FALCONS

"I was never even [in Atlanta] as far as I am concerned. I never even was there. When a coach quits in the middle of the year and ruins a bunch of people's families and doesn't have enough guts to at least finish out the year. I am not a part of that. He came in and said he resigned, said he would talk to us all at a later date, walked out of the office and no one has ever talked to him since. Not that anybody wanted to. He's a gutless b--tard. Quote that. I don't give a s--t."

"He is a coward. Put that in quotes. He ruined a bunch of people's lives, a bunch of people's families, kids, because he didn't have enough nuts to stay there and finish the job. That's the truth. Most people in football have enough courage about them and enough fight to stick through something and not quit halfway through the year. It is cowardly."

-- Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer when asked about his first return to Atlanta, for the Bengals-Falcons game, since 2007 when Zimmer served as the Falcons defensive coordinator under head coach Bobby Petrino. Petrino resigned with three games left to take the job at the University of Arkansas (Cincinnati Enquirer)

REALITY IS MERELY AN ILLUSION, ALBEIT A VERY PERSISTENT ONE

"I guess we think we're a better 1-4 team than some teams that are 1-4. I mean mentally. They don't think they might not win the next game. Gosh, we might not win this next one. This team thinks ... I still think they think they're going to win this next game."

-- Cowboys coach Wade Phillips advocating that the Cowboys are better than your average 1-4 team

"A lot of people say the old saying, 'You are what you are,' when you look at 1-4, We are not that."

-- Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (Fort Worth Star-Telegram)

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Posted by: Rory Hickey on 22 Oct 2010

57 comments, Last at 25 Oct 2010, 9:35am by Dean

Comments

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:35am

3 divided by the square root of 25 is 0.6.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:30pm

Well, that's ONE of the answers....

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Rhys :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:41pm

Interesting how he chose a perfect square when he was randomly calling out numbers there.

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by Sophandros :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:38am

An apostrophe followed by an "s" is reserved for the possessive, not the plural.

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Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

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by Andrew Potter :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:14pm

Assuming you mean Pat's and Geno's, they are possessives. They're both steak houses in Philadelphia.

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by Pizza Pizza (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 9:06pm

In Chicago there pizza joints, go figure.

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by starzero :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 9:15am

they're

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hail damage

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by Kevin from Philly :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 9:18am

Not to nitpick, but I'd hardly call a coulple of cheessteak places "steak houses". And to anyone coming into Philly, there are about two dozen better places to get a cheese steak around town.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 11:31am

Don't worry about it. Nits are nasty little buggers that deserve to be picked. Pick away!

And until this comment I didn't actually know what a cheesesteak was. Seems like it's the (of course likely massively better) Philadelphia original of my usual Subway order.

So yeah, sandwich bar sounds more apt than steak house.

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:40am

There IS no choice between Pats and Genos. Genos advertizes. Pats doesn't need to advertize.

Although, I'd rather bang a right on Oregon Ave and head over to Tony Luke's and skip all the tourists up at 9th and Passyunk.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:47am

I've always felt like there's something wrong with me in that I genuinely prefer Jim's Steaks to everything else. NO ONE agrees with me.

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by Southern Philly :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:33pm

+1. It's for tourists. Jim's is excellent, but just about any place is good.

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:40pm

Nothing wrong with Jims. I'll take it over Genos any day. But I'll go to just about any cheesesteak place over Genos.

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by JasonK :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:08pm

Both Pat's and Geno's are both tourist traps. Tony Luke's is good.

Although the best thing to order at TL's or some of the other good spots in Philly isn't the cheesesteak, it's the roast pork with broccoli rabe and provolone.

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by TreeRol (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:20pm

Didn't Man vs. Food show that? Looked freakin' awesome.

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by Joe T. :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:44am

You left out the best part of the Zimmer quote.

"When told that we [Cincy Enquirer] might not be able to use the B word, Zimmer went one better: 'How about this, gutless MF. You can use that.'"

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by Anonymous Fan (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 11:59am

With all this complaining from defensive players about limiting their behavior, how about we relax some of the rules which protect them? Bring back cut and chop blocks!

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:01pm

And allow blocks in the back!

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by tuluse :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:28pm

Cut blocks aren't illegal. Tommie Harris can tell you all about them.

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by zneroladivad :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 12:23pm

They will never fire Andy Reid. He is too important to the restaurant economy.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:30pm

If you actually get Urlacher to speak to the press about something, you know it's a big deal. Changing the culture of football and making players understand that brains are delicate and important is going to be very difficult.

Although, I do think that a defender blocked to the ground can't go after a QB is a load of BS.

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by Insancipitory :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 6:37pm

Urlacher's statement was in response to a digest of an NFL statement that basically implied any "devestating hit" would be fined. This was all on Mike & Mike on Monday I think. I doubt he has a problem with everything staying exactly the same only the fines for attempted decapitations will finally be higher than mismatched socks. And if he does, well it's not a positive commentary on his critical faculties.

A defender blocked to the ground can go after a QB, he just can't lunge as his legs. Grabbing or swiping at ankles would be totally fine. Plenty of corners tackle effectively like that week in week out.

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by tuluse :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:22am

Thanks for the context.

That does make a lot more sense.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:45pm

So in its efforts to police vicious helmet to helmet ballcarrier hits, this will be suspense worthy, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_YMNY1cs5g

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 1:48pm

I'm not sure, but I am pretty sure that lobbying anonymously on a website isn't likely to do much other than annoy people.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:13pm

I'm not sure, but your manpon might need to be changed.

If you don't want to seriously discuss the hypocrisy of poetentially suspending defenders for hitting WR/RB who are "defenseless" after ducking into a hit aimed at their chest while celebrating RBs who intentionally truck DBs trying to make the "promoted form tackle" by lowering the head and spearing them with the crown of the helmet, then I suggest you get back on the short bus and head back to class.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by masoch (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 6:28pm

It's quite simple FireOmarTomlin:

Gay bashing is NOT allowed on this site!

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 10:28pm

You have a valid point, which is why it's sad that you don't seem capable of making it without spewing inflammatory dross about "manpons" and "short busses". In the future, maybe make an effort to do better service to your ideas.

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:05pm

How many times are you going to post that link today?

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:07pm

How many times are you going to fail 2nd grade math today?

*spit take*

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:22pm

Honestly, my friend, why do you just come here to fight with people? You've got a short fuse and a thin skin for someone constantly picking fights...

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:31pm

Don't worry about it. You'd think I'd have known better than to waste time feeding trolls.

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by Andrew Potter :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:33pm

Mail the outsiders e-mail address. I just have. His comments are consistently vulgar, abusive, and insulting. One of the few posters here who makes the site worse by his presence, not better.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:42pm

Yeah, I want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt because I'm sure I annoy some folks... but "manpon?" Give me a goddamned break.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:22pm

I don't.

Unfortunately, all I come across, by the large, is idiots.

The funniest part , is I spend more $ on NFL products and FO products than most people here.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:36pm

Oh, sure, manpons with the little Pittsburgh Steelers' logo on them aren't cheap.

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by Tundrapaddy (not verified) :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 7:56am

The funniest part , is I spend more $ on NFL products and FO products than most people here.

Oh, that changes everything. Now that you've mentioned that you spend a lot of money on 'stuff', because everyone knows that a purchase of $50 or more comes with an annual troll pass.

So please, carry on.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 11:22am

They've recently added a seasonal line of asshats, just in time for winter.

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by ArchnerdUW :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 4:23pm

For someone who is continually attempting to demonstrate their overwhelming brilliance, your grammar is atrocious. Just to help you out for the future -

The expression is "by and large" not "by the large". Since "idiots" is a plural your verb should also be a plural. So it should have been "are idiots" not "is idiots".

Finally, we could attempt to fix the terrible structure of the sentence, but perhaps simply attempting to achieve mastery of grade school concepts such plurals and proper use of idioms will have to be enough for today.

If you are going to insult folks and argue that you are intellectually superior to everyone, you really need to stop expressing those thoughts in a manner that makes you look like an idiot.

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by CathyW :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:04pm

I think the Andy Reid quote might be in the running for Quote of the Year, if only because he doesn't usually say anything quotable.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:46pm

yeah, reading those quotes, I realized even after a decade of watching him coach and listening to his press conferences, I have no idea what his personality is actually like. Like, he's a fat who humorously pokes fun at his own weight? I actually never would've guessed. It was strange to see him breaking through the nothing front he normally puts up.

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by Yuri (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:47pm

You may be both right. I watched the post-Falcons game PC live and it felt weird. Andy was definitely pretty high from the win so he kept it a little looser with the media.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 2:07pm

I think my favorite reaction to the Petrino era was Joey Harrington questioning his manhood.

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by Led :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 3:23pm

Whatever the NFL does in terms of helmet to helmet hits, one way to protect receivers and quarterbacks is to throw the ball less and when you do pass to keep more blockers in and to throw fewer patterns that expose players to injury. There's no law that says teams need to pass the ball at ever increasing rates and with the maximum number of receivers. I appreciate that they do that because passing is more effective, particularly given the current rules, but there's a cost to it. Perhaps people should consider that the spread style of offense, like the option, may not be made for the NFL because the size and speed of defenders creates too much of an injury risk.

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by Vet_Nick :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 8:41pm

So if you max protect and only send 3 receivers out against 6 or 7 defenders do you think they are more or less likely to take a hard hit?

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by Led :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 9:37pm

Obviously, the QB is less likely to get hurt if you max protect. And if you pass the ball less often with fewer crossing routes and seam routes, yes, your receivers are less likely to take a big hit. Just as you traditionally defend the option by hitting the QB, you traditionally defend passes over the middle by hitting the receivers. I'm in favor of probiting helmet to helmet hits, but you can't stop safeties and linebackers from laying big hits on receivers over the middle without changing the game.

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by Anymouse (not verified) :: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 10:09am

I get it. You're saying your receivers are less likely to take a hit because they'll be sitting on the bench while the punting team takes the field.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

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by Revenge of the NURBS (not verified) :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 4:15pm

Love the whole "square root of 25" quote. Reminds me of the classic Shaq quote -- "My game's like the Pythagorean Theorem. It ain't got no answer."

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by Dean :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 4:18pm

My favorite Shaq quote is, well, there's two. And I'm going to paraphrase because I'm too lazy to look them up...

Interviewer: Did you visit the Parthenon?
Shaq: I don't remember the names of all the clubs I went to.

and

They gotta stop fouling me. Period. P. E. R. I. {pause} [embarassed shrug] D.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 12:46pm

I wonder if he could possibly have meant Fermat's theorem or if he's really that ignorant

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by chemical burn :: Sat, 10/23/2010 - 1:15pm

I think he was just comparing himself to the dashingly handsome Andrew Wiles. In a roundabout way.

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by Dean :: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:35am

Do you really think Shaq has even HEARD of Fermat's theorem?

I would guess that we have a higher propensity of eggheads on this site than the average population, and yet a good chunk of the readership STILL had to google it.

Nobody ever went broke betting on human stupidity.

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by Tofino :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 5:24pm

This week's highlight, for me, is Andy Reid's self-description as "chubby".

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by Anymouse (not verified) :: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 10:13am

I guess when you spend your days surrounded by guys who are 6'5" and 320 lbs, you can't really describe yourself as "a bigger guy...."

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by The Ninjalectual :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 8:39pm

I thought the tuck rule was the Brady Rule. How many rules does the guy have?

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by CathyW :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 9:54pm

As many as he needs! He's Tom Brady, and lesser mortals must fear his wrath!

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by Pat Swinnegan :: Fri, 10/22/2010 - 10:39pm

I think the way it works is that, in order for the rule to be named after you, you have to have had a prominent role in the play (or plays!) that led to the creation of the rule. (See the Roy Williams Rule, for instance.) Since the tuck rule existed before the Brady fumb-- er, I mean incomplete pass, that rule cannot be The Brady Rule.