Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

11 Feb 2011

The Week In Quotes: February 11, 2011

compiled by Rory Hickey

THIS IS MY BEST COLUMN YET *PUTS ON BELT*

"I just want you to know, for the next year you guys can steal my belt celebration because we're the champions of the world. Put that on whenever you want. It's been a great journey."

-- Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers speaking to fans at the Packers' Super Bowl victory ceremony at Lambeau Field (TwinCities.com)

AND NOW THEY ACTUALLY GET HIS ORDER RIGHT

"I still go to Starbucks every morning. Got a cup with 'Congratulations!' on it today -- that was nice. But other than that, they still charged me. So everything's staying the same."

-- Packers coach Mike McCarthy on how his life has changed since winning the Super Bowl (ESPN Milwaukee)

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! THAT'S RODGERS' MUSIC!

"Aaron Rogers congrats on the super bowl. Saw Letterman, the title fits u well come to Wrestlemania and earn the right to wear it."

-- Current WWE Champion The Miz, to championship belt aficionado Aaron Rodgers, trying to get Rodgers to attend Wrestlemania 28 in Miami on April 1 (National Football Post)

FRANCIS SCOTT KEY IS ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE

"What so proudly we watched at the twilight's last gleaming"

"O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming."

-- Singer Christina Aguilera incorrectly singing our nation's anthem at our nation's most watched event (SportsbyBrooks)

JIM NANTZ IS SO DISAPPOINTED RIGHT NOW

"At NFL-Xperience and Phil Simms just threatened 2 hit me b/c I said his son was 1 of the worse QBs in the SEC. I told him "LET'S GO!"

"I am DEAD serious about the Phil Simms thing. We all thought he was joking, but he kept going and said he wanted 2 take a swing at me!!"

-- ESPN's Desmond Howard on his run-in with Phill Simms after Howard made negative comments about Phil's son Matt Simms. Simms later apologized for his dust-up with Howard (Twitter)

MAYBE GOODELL DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HIM BECAUSE THE QUESTION WASN'T IN THE FORM OF A TWEET

"When you can answer a question without really answering what was asked takes superb skill and poise,there's got to be n art to it :( "

-- Wide receiver Chad Ochocinco, following his question to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, which Goodell answered without answering during a press conference (Twitter)

IF BUEHRLE GETS SENT DOWN, HOPEFULLY HE CAN PLAY FOR THE PORTLAND SEA DOGS

"Even if you are not a dog lover, how can you sit there and make two dogs fight and one is going to die? How could you do that if you are somewhat sane?"

"He had a great year and a great comeback, but there were times where we watched the game and I know it's bad to say, but there were times where we hope he gets hurt. Everything you've done to these dogs, something bad needs to happen to these guys."

-- White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle, not holding anything back when it comes to Eagles quarterback Michael Vick (National Football Post)

DOES THIS MEAN CAM IS GOING TO BE HOOKED ON SIZZURP IN A FEW YEARS?

"I really didn't need to see the workout, nor do I need to hear about the workout. ... I've watched five of [Newton's] game tapes. He's got a classic overhand delivery, he's got a big arm. You and I in gym shorts at the local high school can throw pretty accurately, so I would guarantee you [Newton] would look great in a pair of gym shorts."

"... But I would also (offer) one cautionary note, and that is the best Pro Day for a quarterback I ever attended was JaMarcus Russell. That same day, even though I admitted it was the best Pro Day I ever saw, I also said I wouldn't take (Russell) in the first round."

-- NFL Network's Mike Mayock's pessimistic assessment of Cam Newton's NFL future (Pro Football Talk)

TELL THAT TO LARRY KING

"Most people don't marry the first girl they date. Hopefully they marry the best one."

-- New Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton when asked about coach Ken Whisenhunt's tendency to get rid of defensive coordinators every two seasons (Pro Football Talk)

HOPEFULLY HE DOESN'T DO ANY MURDER DRAMAS

"Yes, I'm going into [movies]. I think I'm very versatile. I could definitely go into action [movies]. When you talk about action movies, that's kind of what I do."

-- Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis on what his future might include after football (Dan Patrick Show)

WHAT COULD REALLY HAPPEN? VENDORS REFUSE TO OPEN THEIR DOORS IF VICK ATTEMPTS TO USE HIS KEY TO THE CITY?

"The action taken was not sanctioned by my office and was not an official ceremonial honor on behalf of the City of Dallas. Official Keys to the City are presented by the Mayor, or an elected official designated by the Mayor, and reserved, on a limited basis, for an elected official of international status. Clearly, this was not the case in this situation and done without my knowledge or approval. Given these circumstances I have requested the City Manager propose guidelines to prevent this situation in the future."

-- Dallas Mayor Tom Leppert in a press release, after Dallas Mayor Pro Tem Dwaine Caraway gave a "key to the city" to Eagles quarterback Michael Vick (NBCDFW.com)

I BET HE'LL HAVE A LOT OF OFFERS FOR GUEST SPEAKERS

"Having now returned to Troy, Kiffin and his dream team coaching staff have already put together the No. 1 recruiting class in the country and look forward to having similar success on the field. Do not miss out on your opportunity to come learn from the best coaching staff in football today."

-- Part of the description of a Coach of the Year Clinic run by Nike and USC, where you can learn the tricks of the trade from the USC head coach Lane Kiffin (USC Football Camp Kiffin)

I THINK MIAMI COULD HANDLE A 'HIP-HOP' HEAD COACH

"Too hip-hop."

-- What an unknown Dolphins employee who had a say in Miami's 2007 coaching search said of now-Steelers coach Mike Tomlin at the time. Miami went with Cam Cameron instead (Miami Herald)

SNOOKI'S GONNA BE SO PISSED WHEN SHE READS THIS, ASSUMING SHE CAN READ

"It depends if something's good on. Maybe I can DVR Jersey Shore or something and catch up on that. I've been working a little bit this week, man. Hopefully I can catch up there as we get close to game time."

-- Steelers coach Mike Tomlin, saying that watching TV helps calm his nerves before a big game

"We all need mindless entertainment every now and then."

– Tomlin when asked whether he was serious about watching Jersey Shore (NESN)

Thanks to everyone who sent in a quote this year to quotes-at-footballoutsiders.com. TWIQ will be back in a few months with This Month in Quotes

Posted by: Rory Hickey on 11 Feb 2011

56 comments, Last at 15 Feb 2011, 11:44am by dmb

Comments

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by Bobby Wommack (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:22pm

Too hip-hop? I guess that's a code word for "too black," huh? Stay classy Miami.

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by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:30pm

Right, but is his mother a prostitute?

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by TreeRol (not verified) :: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 10:41am

I'm just glad my fat, ugly mama's not alive to see this.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:38pm

Whenever I forget that human beings, even very well-paid human beings ostensibly employed for their intelligence, are very frequently as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks, I read of something that remnds me. Good grief, the notion of idiots like this being in a position to influence the management of a 100 million dollar payroll is an insult to money itself.

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 5:34pm

Yeah, but Tomlin's got the Juice now.

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by VarlosZ :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 8:14am

*Shakes head, turns, walks away.

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by Kevin from Philly :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 3:17pm

Hey, maybe he had one of those flat brim hats on - which is not "too hip hop" , but is too stupid looking.

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by Aloysius Mephis... :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 3:44pm

I dunno, an unsourced quote attributed to an anonymous employee? No doubt Salguero trusts his source, but it's hard for me to be upset that an unnamed Dolphins employee claims another unnamed Dolphins employee said something kinda racist.

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by johonny (not verified) :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:34pm

Particularly since the whole franchise executives have basically turned over since then. People make an Ireland joke in the thread like he was there at the time, but he wasn't.

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by MCS :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:37pm

"I still go to Starbucks every morning. Got a cup with 'Congratulations!' on it today -- that was nice. But other than that, they still charged me. So everything's staying the same." -Coach McCarthy

Need a three-peat to get free coffee in Green Bay.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:43pm

I'm a much better judge of whisky than I am of coffee, but am I crazy to think that Starbucks would still fall short of being a good value at half the price? I suppose free Starbucks would qualify as good deal, but I really do think the Costco brand beans I get for $13 per three pound bag, and my modest drip coffeeemaker, makes a much better brew.

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by MCS :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 1:53pm

I like their coffee (and Caribou's, etc.) when traveling. I don't buy it daily. On a daily basis, I simply brew some Dunkin' Donuts coffee at home. My wife and I both like that.

I think the lattes and cappicinos are overpriced though.

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by drobviousso :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 3:13pm

Depends on what your time is worth. If you spend 5 more minutes out of your day making your own coffee than spending an extra $1.50 at Starbucks, and your time is worth $20 an hour (ie your take home pay) then Starbucks is a good value.

If you have a loving wife that will grind your beans (!) and start the French press when she hears the shower turn off, or a secretary who's time is less than $20 an hour to make a pot every morning, then it's probably a bad value.

If you just mean 'what can I get at home for the price of a Starbucks coffee' then the answer is a much, much, much better cup. I get a cup of great coffee every morning for about 85 cents, assuming negligible costs to dispense and boil water, throw away the grinds, and wash the press, cup, and chopstick used.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 5:19pm

One of the reasons I really dislike going to Starbucks is that I hate waiting in line, behind three people, as they order their triple non fat lattes with a dollop of cinnamon, nutmeg, along with a shot of vanilla syrup. I guess the place just ain't for me.

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by MJK :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 5:48pm

Or you could save your time and money, and also some brain functionality, and do what I do...don't drink coffee. :-)

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by Aloysius Mephis... :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 6:11pm

Blasphemer.

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by Spielman :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 8:05pm

The problem with that is that socially, when people have their "I'm a bigger coffee snob than you" competitions, you're pretty much left out in the cold. Depending on the douchebag population density in your area, that can destroy up to 50% of your small talk options.

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by John (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 10:40pm

I don't drink coffee or alcohol (well, I probably average 2 drinks a year). That really cuts down on your small talk options, lemme tell ya.

Fortunately, I loathe small talk, so it all evens out.

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by Intropy :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 8:45pm

I live in Seattle, and I don't drink coffee. Or beer. I'm a pariah.

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by Temo :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 2:06pm

If you have a loving wife that will grind your beans and start the French press when she hears the shower turn off

That's as far as I got.

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by Kevin from Philly :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 3:20pm

Make yourself an Irish Coffe, then. It amy not be a sweet deal, but I think you'll be happier with the product.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 5:23pm

Nah, I just have a Bushmills up neat, next to my morning cup of java, then off on the morning rush hour commute!

(just kidding, to any who have their facetious detectors in need of repair)

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by Independent George :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 8:08pm

Obviously. I know you're a Glenrothes guy.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 10:01pm

Bingo!

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 5:36pm

McDonald's has a good cup of Newman's Own coffee for $1, any size (cheaper outside of New England).

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by bravehoptoad :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 7:12pm

Here in San Francisco, I'd much rather have a Philz', then a Pete's, then any number of brews from small local cafes. But if I'm in some coffee nowhere land, like New York or Iowa, then a Starbucks can seem like a real lucky find.

I still remember the first time I found a Starbucks on the Upper East Side about ten years ago. I walked toward it with my hands raised in obeisance; inside I asked a beefy old Italian guy behind the counter for a latte. He put both hands to his forehead, back to the register, back to his forehead, and said, "Okay, what's a latte again?"

Still, coffee's gotten better just about everywhere I travel, and Starbucks has to get most of the credit for that. Remember when most cups of coffee were so thin you could pour them in a glass mug and read the Sunday comics through them? Uggh.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:03am

Try finding a coffee shop in Salt Lake City/Ogden. They are virtually nonexistent. In New york and Iowa, I am happy trying out whatever local places I come across when looking for a coffee. In Utah, I take what I can get, and there a Starbucks is a glorious find.

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by SmokingClutch (not verified) :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:25am

Starbucks is a much better deal if you do what I do - order a double espresso over ice. It's usually like $1.90, and then you use their free cream and sweetener to make essentially the same iced latte they normally charge like $4 for.

For hot coffee, I'd rather make my own, but making iced coffee at home is quite tedious without special equipment.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:04am

I like your iced latte idea! I'm going to have to do that next time!

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by SmokingClutch (not verified) :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:26am

Starbucks is a much better deal if you do what I do - order a double espresso over ice. It's usually like $1.90, and then you use their free cream and sweetener to make essentially the same iced latte they normally charge like $4 for.

For hot coffee, I'd rather make my own, but making iced coffee at home is quite tedious without special equipment.

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by tally :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:40am

Re 5: I agree. Costco has good coffee for the price. I think they sell Jose's Coffee for even less at $11 per 3 lb. bag.

And 5 minutes making coffee in the morning is less time than it takes to detour to Starbucks and wait in line for coffee made from poor quality, overly-roasted beans. I'd understand people's addiction to Starbucks if their coffee were any good, but it's not.

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by Peter King (not verified) :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:24am

None of you know what you're talking about.

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by socctty :: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:21am

Much respect to the coffee culture of Seattle, but I feel compelled as an Alaskan to note that Anchorage has the most coffee shops per capita in the US. What's neat about it here in Alaska is that a lot of those coffee shops are little drive through shacks. I live in Fairbanks, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that Fairbanks ranks pretty high on that lists as well.

I can see why Seattle is the coffee capital of the US, but I wonder why it didn't happen in Anchorage. Anchorage seems large enough to have the critical mass of people it would take, I think. Plus it has the cold, dreary weather that encourages coffee consumption. I wasn't much on coffee until I moved up here to Alaska; my first winter here has made coffee an essential input to my productivity. 45 below zero and less than four hours of sunlight will do that to you.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:14am

The Anchorage metropolitan area is like 1/10 the size of Seattle's. So I'm guessing, no it doesn't have enough size.

It's also really really far away from everywhere else.

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by bigtencrazy (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 2:26pm

Where is Greg Jennings comment? "It's a great day to be great baby!"

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 4:10pm

I look forward to this year's Lane Kiffin Coaching Clinic, sponsored by USC and Nike. And then next year's, sponsored by Michigan State and Adidas. Then the next, sponsored by Washington and Puma. And so forth.

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by Theo :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 6:18pm

Starbucks doesn't sell coffee.
They sell something in cups, but that's not coffee.

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by Shattenjager :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 6:32pm

Having managed a coffee shop for three years, I agree.

Though I probably should admit that I'm picky to the point that I haven't had a cup of coffee in over two years.

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by Karma Coma :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 7:47pm

Up until the mid-90s their coffee was fine. I don't know if their aggressive expansion forced them to use an inferior bean to supply all their new shops, or if the time i spent in Yerp made me really appreciate a stronger, fresher brew.

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by John (not verified) :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 10:42pm

I recall reading a story once about their "coffee," describing how the type of bean their buyers would look for, and how their buyers wouldn't touch the stuff themselves.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:12am

Starbucks doesn't sell coffee... They sell something in cups, but that's not coffee.

Oh give me a break. So it's B+ coffee rather than A. It's still coffee and it's pretty decent compared to the majority of coffee available around the country.

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by tally :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:50pm

Fail.

It's C- coffee trying to market itself as B+ coffee at B+ coffee prices. It's not that Starbucks is bad coffee--it's merely mediocre--it's the price you have to pay for that not-quite-bad coffee.

Why pay more for decent coffee when good coffee is readily available for less than half the price?

Or to put it into football terms, it's like paying Tom Brady money to get Eli Manning when you could have gotten Aaron Rodgers for half the price. Sure, Eli's not a bad QB in a vacuum, but if his salary is that high and better options are available, then he'd be a poor choice.

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by Theo :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 9:15pm

...but I don't want Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Don't want pocket awareness or good looks for commercials. I merely want Trent Dilfer. Or Brad Johnson. The pure worst of the best.
It's a roast I trust.
Aaaahhhhhhh.

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by tally :: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:10pm

Which isn't bad in and of itself, but no one ever broke the bank for Dilfer or Brad Johnson (I hope).

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by dmb :: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 11:44am

(Note: this isn't directed just at you, tally.)

UGH. Why does Johnson always get lumped in with Dilfer??? It's as if people somehow believe Johnson performed at the same level at age 30 as he did when he was having adventures on the Cowboys at age 40. Very, very few QBs look good at 40, no matter how good they were in their prime.

Johnson's career adjusted net yards per attempt index is above average (103), while Dilfer's is significantly below (88). By year (100 is average; Trent Green in 2004 and Tom Brady in 2009 were at 120.):

Johnson: 115, 106, 110, 117, 97, 94, 120, 102, 94, 103, 87, 60. (What season looks out of place?)

Dilfer: 48, 75, 81, 103, 98, 89, 90, 122, 103, 73, 97, 60. (Dilfer was five years younger than Johnson was when each put up their respective ugly final season.)

Now, Johnson did have the benefit of playing with some excellent offensive teammates his first three years (on the Vikings), but consider what he did on the 1999 Redskins. Throwing to Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Stephen Alexander, and a 31-year-old Larry Centers, Johnson was 4th in the league in DYAR, and 5th in DVOA.

The guy was a quality starter for years, and still was when he started for Tampa's championship team, finishing 10th in DYAR and 11th in DVOA.

So why is it that a QB who was consistently above-average for the duration of his career get consistently lumped in with someone who was consistently below-average?

I don't get it.

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by Karma Coma :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 8:22pm

You grade on too generous a curve. The main problem with Starbucks is that it flash roast its beans. You don't even have a chance to evaluate the quality of the coffee because it's ruined before it hits the store. I know it's not just me, either, because if you go to google and type "why does starbucks" the first auto-complete option is "why does starbucks coffee taste burnt."

If Starbucks only has to compete with whatever diner is open on Sundays in Ogden, it may come out on top, but it can't hold a candle to most independents and small chains.

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by socctty :: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:26am

I've had good coffee and burnt coffee at Starbucks, and it baffles me as to why. My girlfriend is a former barista of five years and at the place she works, she had to tamp the grind herself, she had to adjust the length of time the grind was subjected to the water, the temperature of that water, etc.

My understanding is that Starbucks automates all of that - the barista just presses a button and the machine is supposed to produce a perfectly tamped, perfectly ground, perfectly brewed shot of espresso.

But it clearly doesn't! Maybe their machines are poorly maintained? I wouldn't call Starbucks coffee bad, I would just say that it is too inconsistent to become a regular customer of theirs.

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by nflalternative.com :: Fri, 02/11/2011 - 11:23pm

foxlies can dvoa methods show areas of high douchebaggery?

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by Willsy :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 7:50am

COFFEE!!!

In the land of great coffee, Australia, it is painful to read this thread.

Theo is correct - Starbucks is total rubbish.

America needs a steady stream of independent shops to open up to put the chains out of business.

I offer the greatest country in the world for coffee, Italy, and the paucity of chain stores there as an example of how bad coffee is in the US.

Please team get busy and support independents, the chains are the work of the devil.

Willsy

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by DEW (not verified) :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:50pm

Just remember, though; the U.S. had zero "coffee culture" before the chains came along with their massive advertising budgets to tell us that Maxwell House and Folgers Crystals weren't the be-all and end-all of coffee.

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by Karma Coma :: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 6:47pm

the U.S. had zero "coffee culture" before the chains came along

False. There were specialty stores and mail order coffee of the month-type clubs long before the mid-90s. Just because it wasn't wide-spread doesn't mean it had zero presence. That's like saying "alternative comedy" didn't exist before Comedy Central gave it national exposure. It was there, just with a smaller following.

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by Gridiron Grammarian (not verified) :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 4:34pm

Tell that to the beatniks!

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by socctty :: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:33am

I've spent a fair amount of time in Italy, and the coffee there is over-rated, I think. A lot of people there enjoy instant coffee, something that even the most ugly of Ugly Americans, with their bellies inhibiting their ability to turn the steering wheel of their 1978 El Caminos as they navigate the lanes at their McDonald's drive thrus, wouldn't touch.

However, it's also true that in Italy you can pretty much always find a good cafe within minutes of civilization, and there's something nice about a shot of espresso after lunch. Maybe I was in the wrong part of Italy? I was in Puglia.

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by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 7:44am

I still don't get the appeal of Starbucks. I have a coffeemaker in the kitchen.

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by Karma Coma :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:30pm

The appeal is that people can pretend they're just having a coffee and not guzzling a milkshake with 500 calories & 20g saturated fat.

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by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Sun, 02/13/2011 - 7:45am

Aaron Rodgers on WWE. What WOULD his theme music be? Discuss among yourselves.