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25 Aug 2017

The Week In Quotes: August 25, 2017

Compiled by Cale Clinton

SO COCKY YOU JUST HAVE TO APPRECIATE IT

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J-E-T-S! [REDACTED]! [REDACTED]! [REDACTED]!

"Well, Romeo and I started together at the Giants in special teams, so he and I coached special teams together and then we coached defensively together through 1990. We worked at the Patriots together, then another team, and then back with the Patriots in 2001. I've relied on him through the years, both with our team when I worked with him, but even at times outside when we could help each other and it wasn't a conflict in competitiveness."

-- New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick discussing his long relationship with now-Texans coach Romeo Crennel, conveniently leaving his short tenure with the New York Jets off of his timeline. Belichick was famously head coach for the Jets for just under 24 hours prior to resigning and taking the head job with the New England Patriots. Belichick wrote his Jets resignation letter on a bar napkin. (Pro Football Talk)

THE BEST KIND OF FINE IS THE ONE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY

"I made league minimum last year and I just got fined 25K. I'm starting a gofundme to pay it."

-- Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Bryce Treggs, announcing plans to collect donations to help pay his fine for a crackback block against the Green Bay Packers. Treggs was fined $25,000 for the block, a healthy portion of his $450,000 salary. Treggs has since deleted the tweet, but nothing on the Internet is ever truly deleted. (Bleacher Report)

"Yo broke ass shouldn't play dirty then [sic]"

-- Green Bay Packers cornerback Damarious Randall, unimpressed with Treggs' paycheck and playing style.

"As an undrafted guy fighting for a roster spot, you're always trying to stand out on film. A lot of y'all don't understand that. … My assignment was a force block on that play and I was trying to put a physical play on film. Nothing dirty about trying to earn a job."

-- Treggs, via his personal account (Twitter)

A CLASS ACT -- ENJOY RETIREMENT ANQUAN

"For me, it's always been my life's mission to help people in a number different ways whether it be in this country or this countries [sic]. But for the last couple of years I've been advocating for criminal justice reform. I've been trying to improve police-community relations across the board. I think where we are as a country now, it breaks my heart to see how divided we are and I don't think it should be that way."

-- Former Cardinals/Ravens/49ers/Lions wide receiver Anquan Boldin giving us some insight on what he'll be doing in his time off now that he has officially called it a career. Boldin will leave as one of the greatest possession receivers in NFL history, finishing with 1,076 receptions (ninth-most in NFL history) for 13,779 receiving yards (14th) and 82 touchdowns (23rd). Boldin also had and will continue to have a great impact on the community. He was the recipient of the Walter Payton Man of the Year award in 2015. (NFL.com)

SALT IN THE WOUND

"I thought it was a good learning experience and think Detroit did a really good job watching the tape from last week. They mixed up the looks I thought. A lot of credit to them and I thought overall just a very good experience."

-- New York Jets quarterback Christian Hackenberg following his team's 16-6 loss to the Detroit Lions in Week 2 of the preseason.

"We don't game plan a ton for these guys. We don't watch a ton of tape. Those offensive linemen don't study the defensive linemen like they would in a regular game week."

-- Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford when asked about film preparation following the same game. (Pride of Detroit)

39-YEAR-OLD RETIRED WIDE RECEIVER VERSUS REIGNING MBA MVP, PLACE YOUR BETS!

"Want to play @russwest44 [Russell Westbrook] 1 on 1 tomorrow"

-- Former Bengals wide receiver Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, seemingly out of nowhere and without provocation, tweeting that he'd like to challenge Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook, the reigning NBA MVP, to a one-on-one game of hoops. (Chad Johnson, Twitter)

"Lol in what?"

-- Westbrook's response. Westbrook averaged a triple-double for the entirety of last season, the first player to accomplish that feat in 55 years. (Russell Westbrook, Twitter)

LAMBEAU FIELD IS COLD ENOUGH FOR THE WHITE WALKERS

"Wish that Hail Mary hadn't been completed tonight. #thrones"

-- Green Bay Packers quarterback and avid Game of Thrones fan Aaron Rodgers about the highly anticipated episode "Beyond the Wall." We would explain the reference, but Football Outsiders proudly refuses to spoil such a big moment from the show. (Aaron Rodgers, Twitter)

THE WEEK IN PICS, TWEETS, & GIFS

WONDER IF LeSEAN IS A GENO'S OR PAT'S GUY?

-- Photos of the 200 cheesesteaks Buffalo Bills running back LeSean McCoy purchased for his teammates following a preseason game in Philadelphia, where McCoy used to play for the Eagles. You can take LeSean out of Philly, but you can't take the Philly out of LeSean (no matter how hard Chip Kelly tried).

LOVE TO SEE A KICKER PLAYING WITH FIRE, EVEN IF IT'S ONLY PRESEASON

-- Seattle Seahawks kicker Blair Walsh pointing at his former head coach Mike Zimmer after nailing a long kick during the Seahawks-Vikings preseason game. Walsh was cut last year by the Vikings.

THE AGE-OLD QUESTION: BACKUP QB OR STARTING KICKER?

-- Former Indianapolis Colts punter Pat McAfee tackling the hard-hitting question: would you rather be a backup quarterback or a starting kicker for an NFL team? McAfee retired last year to pursue both stand-up comedy and content creation for his Barstool Sports affiliate based in Indianapolis, Barstool Heartland.

THIS TWEET AGED LIKE MILK SITTING IN HOT SUMMER HEAT

-- An August 8 tweet from the Buffalo Bills featuring wide receivers Anquan Boldin (left) and Sammy Watkins. Watkins was traded to the Los Angeles Rams three days later, and Bolding announced his retirement ten days after that.

A TRADITION UNLIKE ANY OTHER: DENVER ROOKIE HAIRCUTS

THE WEEK IN ECLIPSES

"Tom Brady and some of the Patriots were out here checking out the eclipse. Heard Brady was excited. Turns out he is a big eclipse guy."

-- Mark Daniels of the Providence Journal. (Mark Daniels, Twitter)

-- Chicago Bears head coach John Fox looking goofy and lost in those eclipse glasses -- which seems just about par for the course for his tenure in Chicago thus far.

-- Okay, maybe it's not just John Fox. Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll looks just as lost in his eclipse glasses

-- Panthers head coach Ron Rivera, living in a powder keg and giving off sparks.

-- Ravens head coach John Harbaugh doesn't work with anyone that doesn't give 100 percent, even if that someone is an incredibly rare natural occurrence. Baltimore only experienced an 80 percent eclipse.

-- The Green Bay Packers, warning fantasy players NOT to draft anyone from their team. They may have all had their retinas burnt if this tweet is to be believed.

-- New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. risking permanent blindness -- which probably still wouldn't stop him from making absurd catches.

Posted by: Cale Clinton on 25 Aug 2017

24 comments, Last at 30 Aug 2017, 10:12am by ChrisS

Comments

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by Guest789 :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 12:29pm

I've heard people calling Boldin a slam-dunk HoFer. I don't know, he's a exemplary Hall-of-Very-Good guy to me, on a tier with Hines Ward and such.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 1:06pm

Boldin's career started very well. Rookie receiving record in 2003 with 101 recs, 1,377 yds.

Then Larry arrived the next year and they managed 56 and 58 recs from Josh McCown.

Then Kurt Warner arrived and they each got 100+

Then after 7 seasons in which he only managed to play 16 games twice, he went to Baltimore, SF and Detroit which I suspect was a mistake.

I don't think he makes the HoF given the receiver backlog. Maybe if he'd been born a decade earlier when receiver numbers were lower.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 1:35pm

I'd agree with all that. He was productive and reliable, but not a top dominant guy. Less than 13 yards/catch, double-digit TDs only one year in his career, never named All-Pro. He'll get lost in the shuffle with all the huge passing numbers from his era. I'd be shocked if he makes it in.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 3:07pm

Yea, I usually think of HOF receivers as an insane peak, then years of stat-compiling to consolidate their case. Boldin was all stat-compiling without the peak (unless you want to count his rookie year). It's unfortunate that he had to deal with some horrendous quarterbacking during his prime years.

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by dryheat :: Sun, 08/27/2017 - 8:44am

In terms of his cohort, I would put him behind Steve Smith and Larry Fitzgerald, and that's about it. He'd be ahead of Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson in my book, and I'd have to think a bit more about Calvin Johnson.

Whether that's enough to get him in, I don't know.

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by duh :: Wed, 08/30/2017 - 1:31am

I'm surprised to see you'd put him ahead of Andre Johnson, I have a hard time seeing that. I'd be interested to know what your reasoning is.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 1:09pm

I'm slightly surprised by Belichick referring to the Jets as "[then working at] another team" seems to break one of his cardinal rules of never giving opponents bulletin board material.

And however crap they're forecast to be this year, another of his cardinal rules is to never underestimate the opposition.

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by nat :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 4:00pm

I'm trying to see how that would play out as bulletin board material...

Coach (pointing at the quote on the bulletin board, and getting really fired up):
"That bastard called us another TEAM! We're not a TEAM! We've never been a TEAM! We will never be a TEAM! We're the J-E-T-S. That's four separate letters! J! E! T! S!

Now go out and show them how we don't work together!"

(Players wander off in different directions.)

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 4:08pm

"Belichick reckons you guys are just another team in this league. He's lumping you in there with the Rams, the Chargers, the 49ers ..." etc, etc.

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by Alternator :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 9:57pm

So...he's complementing them?

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by Steve in WI :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 1:51pm

Regarding kicker vs. career backup QB, I'd go with kicker. Very low risk of CTE or gruesome injury, opportunity to earn a few million a year if you're good enough, and the chance to be remembered as great (of course, the latter comes with the chance to be remembered as bad). The career backup QB probably isn't earning much more money and is probably about as safe from injury while he is the backup - and has no risk of humiliation - but all of that changes if/when he has to enter a game.

Regarding John Fox and eclipse glasses, apparently he was overheard asking how the glasses work. Which also seems emblematic of his Bears tenure...

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 3:00pm

Kickers don't earn much unless they're a 'franchise' kicker. According to Spotrac - the top 3 payers are Sebastian Janikowski, Adam Vinatieri, Phil Dawson. By the time you get down to Nick Folk at #10 in career earnings - you have $12 million in the bank.

QBs, on the other hand, generally get paid more but usually have to been a starter somewhere. The best exception seems to be Chase Daniel with his $20 million career earnings for 78 pass attempts. Derek Anderson, Josh McCown and Shaun Hill have each got about $30 million banked but at times have been starters. The other notable career earners are Mark Sanchez ($72m) and Matt Cassel ($61m). But these guys are involved day-in, day-out; have to know the offense and go to every meeting and gameplanning etc. Even if they're not playing they're still working long days.

Most kickers seem to start off on around $300-400,000 for the first few years and then if they're still around they begin to get paid. I'm doubting they have that much to do during the week - practice a few kicks, do some weights and mental rehearsal. Even if you don't make it it's got to be more fun than working in a corporation or stacking shelves in the supermarket.

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by Steve in WI :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 6:26pm

Okay, I guess I overstated the likelihood of a kicker earning a few million a year. Still, if they work 10 years in the league even at minimum salary they'll have grossed $5M+ in their career...and if they stick for 10+ years, probably at some point they'll be making more than the minimum even if it's not much more.

Interesting info on the QBs. Yes, for my comparison I am thinking of guys like Chase Daniel rather than guys like Sanchez who were once highly-drafted starters who got paid commensurately.

I think when you factor in the injury risk and overall amount of hard work and physical pain, even if the backup QB makes 2-4x more than the kicker being the kicker is a better deal.

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by bigpoppapump :: Tue, 08/29/2017 - 12:01pm

Being the kicker is a cool job IMO. I'm British - in the 80s as a child I would play football (as in, association football - soccer to you crowd) on Sundays and then watch the one hour NFL highlights show on Channel 4 (that's highlights from the previous weekend - 7 days late). The only way I was ever going to make it to the NFL was as kicker, so that was my daydream! When I was older I was a decent kicker on my college rugby team. Kickers have to be made of steel mentally. Back Up QBs just look like wannabe call centre workers. It's no contest. One will determine whether you win or lose in a vast proportion of games, the other is totally surplus to requirements until they prove themselves inadequate.

And if you put aside the talent question (of being able to kick well) then the physical demands - size/weight - of being a kicker has to be much more in reach for more people than the need to be 6-4, blonde-haired etc to be a back-up QB. Kickers can be 5-10 and 175 pounds. Back up QBs cannot.

C'mon. How could anyone want to be back up QB over Kicker? It's crazy.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 2:23pm

MBA MVP?

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by ChrisS :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 3:17pm

I was involuntarily wincing watching OBJ stare at the sun. Then the video showed the sun and it was mostly behind the clouds, else he would have had eye damage.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 08/27/2017 - 1:35am

Do we have enough faith to say he knew what he was doing, and made the video to look worse than it was?

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by Noah Arkadia :: Mon, 08/28/2017 - 10:29am

His eyes were tearing at the beginning. Reminded me of Pierre-Paul.

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by andrew :: Fri, 08/25/2017 - 3:37pm

Walsh attempted 3 FGs, from 53, 52 and 52.

He made both 52s, and the 53 hit the crossbar. So guess that's right about his range.... (and yes, I know, the two 52s woulda been good from 53)....

Walsh is a really good kicker just got in a wrong state of mind, maybe Pete Carroll's style works better for him, or maybe just needed the change. You'd think him going indoors woulda made life easier for him but it just wasn't gonna work. Hope he does well versus other teams.

In other vikings news Zimmer moved his practice indoors to make sure no one was distracted by the Eclipse. Claimed due to eye damage, but felt like it was just he didn't want any distractions.

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by jtr :: Mon, 08/28/2017 - 8:27am

Glad to see Hackenberg get in on one of New York's top hobbies, grasping at straws for reasons why he doesn't totally suck. It's pretty funny that he thinks that preseason opponents waste any time gameplanning for him.

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by ChrisS :: Mon, 08/28/2017 - 11:39am

"fined $25,000 for the block, a healthy portion of his $450,000 salary." I have always thought team-sport fines should be a percent of salary. 5.5% of pre-tax salary seems pretty steep.

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by LionInAZ :: Mon, 08/28/2017 - 10:49pm

How do you discourage the bad behavior if the fine isn't steep? Everyone agrees that crackback blocks are very bad.

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by jtr :: Tue, 08/29/2017 - 7:52am

Does Treggs sound discouraged though? "My assignment was a force block on that play and I was trying to put a physical play on film. Nothing dirty about trying to earn a job."
That sounds like a guy who would make the exact same play if the situation presented itself next game. I'm kind of skeptical of how effective a fine is at discouraging what players do during the game. I think the players are just too intense to be thinking "this might cost me some money" rather than "this might help us win the game." Look at all the fines that James Harrison has racked up over his career; has that ever stopped him from trying to knock the living hell out of every quarterback he faces?
I think the only way the league can really get players under control is the Vontaze Burfict treatment: suspending repeat offenders for longer and longer periods of time with each offense. That changes the mental calculus of the players: this dirty play might help us win today, but if I miss the next five games because of it, it hurts the team. Plus, the whole team is affected by losing a suspended player, so they'll put pressure on the player to knock it off.

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by ChrisS :: Wed, 08/30/2017 - 10:12am

OBJ was fined $35k for a crack-back block last season, his salary was about $1.4m so about 2.5%. In 2015 Larry Fitzgerald was fined about $25k on an $11m salary, 0.2% of salary. SO the fines are somewhat similar but the pain of paying it varies widely.