Audibles at the Line

Unfiltered in-game observations by Football Outsiders staff

Audibles at the Line: Week 13

compiled by Andrew Potter

Each Sunday, the FO staff sends around emails about the games that each of us are watching. We share information about the games that the rest of the group might not be watching, ask questions, and keep everyone else informed about which games they might want to tune into (if they can).

On Monday, we compile a digest of those emails and produce this feature. By its nature, it can be disjointed and dissimilar to the other articles on the site.

While these emails are generally written with Audibles in mind, they do not represent a standard review of all the games each week. That means we aren't going to cover every game, or every important play. We watch the games that we, as fans, are interested in watching, so your favorite team's game might not be covered to your fullest desires or even at all. (If you are a Steelers or Patriots fan, you are probably in luck; if you are a Bills fan, not so much.) We have no intention of adding new authors solely to cover every game on a given Sunday, nor will we watch a different game from the ones that we're personally interested in watching just to ensure that Audibles covers every game.

Cleveland Browns 13 at Houston Texans 29

Dave Bernreuther: Many Houston residents are getting annoyed by the fact that the Moo Cows refuse to open their roof on this beautiful day, but I'm more annoyed because this means that Britton Colquitt won't be able to punt the ball out of the stadium.

Win streak be damned, I'm still not sold on the Texans, Bill O'Brien, or even their defense. But they're still facing a rookie quarterback, as good as Baker Mayfield is, so I'm really interested in seeing how he handles himself against that pass rush.

As a Colts fan, I find the four seed that would come with catching the Texans to be pretty undesirable (as they would just become Chargers fodder like they did a decade ago), so I should probably root for the home team. But even though Gregg Williams is kind of despicable, I still find myself really enjoying these new Browns. I'm really hoping they can keep things rolling and give us a great battle between Baker and Deshaun Watson on a day when both their alma maters are likely to end up qualifying for the College Football Playoff. This is my favorite game of the 1 p.m. slot.

Scott Kacsmar: For the fourth-down revolution to start, teams have to stop punting in situations like Bill O'Brien's Texans just did. It was fourth-and-3 at the Cleveland 40 with a 10-0 lead. Watson has completed 12 of his first 13 passes today. The defense is playing well. Just keep the foot on the gas there. Possession and the prospect of taking a three-score lead has to outweigh gaining 29 yards of field position or letting Cleveland start at its own 40.

Of course, it's going to be completely forgotten after Mayfield threw an interception that was returned to the 1.

Tom Gower: Thirty minutes completed in Houston, and the Texans hold a 23-0 lead that accurately reflects the comparative level of performance between the two teams thus far. Houston started out hot early and at one point had a 10-0 lead in points and a 22-3 lead in offensive plays. That was before any of Baker Mayfield's three interceptions, as Houston's defensive disguises have mostly left underneath players in position to disrupt his throws. Zach Cunningham as an underneath player got the first, Johnathan Joseph the second after appearing to pass off the intended receiver, and the third was an awful heave into a crowd of defenders in the end zone. Deshaun Watson's ball placement has been very good for the most part and was spot on in the early going. Like Deshaun Watson behind that offensive line, though, he has taken three sacks and overall gotten some pressure. Baker has had a couple decent throws, but for the most part the Browns have just looked awful, not in good position often enough and not making plays when they have been in position.

Dave Bernreuther: Well this one hasn't turned out to be as interesting as I had hoped. Watson looks fantastic, Nuk Hopkins is showing off those hands, and the Texans look the part of an 8-3 team, just dominating the game, while making Baker Mayfield look like a rookie, with three interceptions thrown through halftime.

Chicago Bears 27 at New York Giants 30 (OT)

Bryan Knowles: The Bears quarterback was a game-time decision, and it turns out, despite assurances to the contrary, that Mitchell Trubisky is NOT ready to go. It's Chase Daniel again, as he continues to destroy his money earned-to-passes thrown ratio.

His first pass of the game is a touchdown pass! Unfortunately, it's to Alec Ogletree, who picks up his third interception and second pick-six of the year. Not exactly the start they were hoping for.

Kudos to Matt Nagy for realizing that they might need to take a few more chances with Daniel under center. The Bears went for it on fourth-and-1 from just about midfield, with Tarik Cohen cutting back and finding room for an 8-yard gain to keep their drive alive. The strategy for the drive was pretty clearly to take the focus out of Danel's hands, as Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen had six consecutive rushes before Daniel hit Adam Shaheen for a 2-yard touchdown to tie the game.

Vince Verhei: In the record-setting era of 2018, the Bears and Giants are playing a game out of 1918. The Giants' first two drives were both three-and-outs; their third lasted six plays before Eli Manning threw an interception to Kyle Fuller. It was a simple slant route, but Fuller broke on the ball before Odell Beckham had even made his cut. Looked like miscommunication on the offense's part, or tremendous film study for Fuller, knowing where the ball was going.

Meanwhile, the Bears followed their game-opening pick-six with a three-and-out before the Sheehan touchdown. Even that drive required one fourth-down and one third-down conversion, and the touchdown was the only completion on the 10-play drive. Somewhere in there, Daniel had another ball that should have been intercepted -- Taylor Gabriel was several steps behind the corner and a good throw would have given him a touchdown, but Daniel's pass was a lame duck in the middle of the field. Curtis Riley had a chance to catch an interception that was like fielding a punt, and he dropped it. Just bad football by all involved.

And now, early in the second quarter, Tarik Cohen beats Landon Collins down the seam and should have a touchdown, but Daniel can't get the ball over Ogletree, who jumps and makes the one-handed grab for his second interception of the game.

Bryan Knowles: Big. Man. Touchdown. From the originators of the play, to boot. Akiem Hicks gets the carry on fourth-and-goal, and bulldozes his way into the end zone. Shades of the Fridge!

It was set up by an amazing catch by Allen Robinson, off the helmet of B.W. Webb, but whatever. Receivers make great catches all the time, yawn. Big man touchdown!

Vince Verhei: Bears get creative at the goal line. On third down, Jordan Howard takes the direct snap, fakes a pitch, and dives straight ahead. He's stopped, so they go for it on fourth-and-1. They line up with split backs, and one of them is 6-foot-5, 332-pound defensive lineman Akiem Hicks -- and Hicks gets the handoff on a give and scores.

That was set up by an amazing grab by Allen Robinson down the sideline. I didn't catch the corner, but there was more hand-fighting between those two than in the Wilder-Fury fight last night. Robinson pinned the ball against the guy's helmet and then reeled it in for a 30-yard gain.

Giants get a fourth-and-1 conversion and then a 57-yard field goal from Aldrick Rosas on the last play of the half, and we have a 14-10 game at the break. Really, it has looked exactly like you would expect from the league's best defense playing with a backup quarterback against a bad team: complete dominance, kept close on the scoreboard by a few bad passes. Take away Daniel's interceptions, and the Bears would be ahead by at least two touchdowns. But the Bears are just manhandling New York's offense. Receivers are getting jammed at the line and mugged over the middle and just can't get any separation. Saquon Barkley has seven carries for 43 yards, but half that total came on a 22-yard gain on third-and-23 (which set up the fourth-and-1 and the field goal, so it wasn't useless, but still). They only have four first downs the whole game. Counting sacks, neither team has more than 60 yards passing. The Giants are going to get a lot more playing catchup, but presumably from here the Bears will probably be content to keep running the ball as long as they're ahead and counting on their defense to win this.

And very quickly the Giants change this entire game. Manning pitches to Beckham, who shake-and-bakes an invisible man, then lobs a ball to a totally uncovered Russell Shepard for a 49-yard touchdown to put New York up 17-14. That's now 49 passing yards for Beckham, 76 for Manning.

Bryan Knowles: When you can't beat a team with skill, beat them with trickeration! The Giants run an end around to Beckham, who pulls up, scrambles around for a minute, and finds a wide-open Russell Shepard deep downfield for a touchdown! The announcing crew called it a coverage bust, which I suppose is true, but OBJ did a decent job of selling pulling the ball down and running with it, allowing Shepard to slip past his defenders. The Giants take the lead -- the Bears probably can still do a bunch of grinding in the second half here, but they may need Chase Daniel to do a bit more than they had hoped.

Dave Bernreuther: Shepard was so wide open that even the worst mechanics in the world by Odell Beckham couldn't hurt them, and the WR-WR connection off an end around puts the Giants back in front. That is the most open you'll ever see a guy in the NFL. He had the entire middle of the field to himself.

Bryan Knowles: Make it a 10-point lead for the Giants. New York forced a three-and-out from Chicago on the series after the OBJ touchdown pass and proceeded to march down the field. Last week, Saquon Barkley disappeared in the second half, only getting five touches. On this drive alone, he had seven, albeit two were being stuffed at the goal line. It included a hell of a hurdle -- Barkley is so fun to watch in open space.

A pass interference call set the Giants up on the 1-yard line, and Barkley was stuffed twice, followed by an incomplete pass to set up fourth-and-goal. Full credit to the Giants for going for it, and OBJ ends up entirely uncovered in the end zone for the touchdown. He crossed back against the grain of the play, and whichever linebacker was supposed to go along with him just blanked. We all know the Saints and Rams were likely to get the top two seeds in the NFC no matter what, but the 8-3 Bears were at least staying in the discussion. A loss here ends that talk.

Vince Verhei: A pass interference call on Prince Amukamara in coverage on Beckham puts New York at the 1-yard line. Two runs are stuffed and a play-action pass results in no open receivers and a throwaway, but they go for it on fourth down. They run double crossers, and somehow the Bears leave Beckham -- Odell Beckham! -- uncovered, and he gets the easy touchdown to put New York up 24-14. Kind of amazing how quickly this turned around after New York looked so hopeless in the first half.

Just to put a bow on this one: the Bears got the ball at their own 1 after a punt with a chance to drive for the tying score, but on first down Taylor Gabriel fumbled the ball away to New York, and the Giants eventually added a field goal for a 27-17 lead to ice this thing.

BUT WAIT!

Bears get a field goal. Graphic says teams are 3-of-30-something on onside kicks this year. But the ball dribbles towards Beckham -- who looks like he pulls up short, and lets the Bears recover! Bears still have more than a minute to tie the game with a touchdown!

This day started slow, but man there have been some great finishes.

OH MY GOD THIS GAME. Cohen beats Collins again, and this time Daniel hits him, and it's a 23-yard gain for a first-and-goal inside the 10. Gabriel continues his bad day, drops a pass in the end zone, but then B.W. Webb is flagged for DPI on Robinson, which gives the Bears a first-and-goal at the 1 with three seconds left. And they hand off to Cohen -- who pulls up and throws to Anthony Miller for the game-tying touchdown. The extra point is good and we're going to overtime.

Well that game fizzled out. Giants got a field goal on their first drive in overtime. Bears got the ball and were able to convert one fourth down and recover THREE of their own fumbles, but got to fourth down again without even crossing midfield. Daniel lobbed a pass to the middle of the field to Gabriel, and it was tipped away by Janoris Jenkins, and the Giants win.

Bryan Knowles: The Bears' overtime drive was terrible, including THREE Chase Daniels fumbles (albeit at least one caused by a bad snap), all recovered by Chicago. They did convert one fourth-and-7, but they eventually ran out of steam. A bit of a disappointing ending to what was a fantastic game, as the Giants win 30-27.

Los Angeles Rams 30 at Detroit Lions 16

Derrik Klassen: Through two drives, L.A.'s offense only has three points in hand, but Jared Goff looks like he's settled in already. Not fazed by pressure, doing his best to keep passes in places only his guys have a shot at it. L.A.'s pass-catchers are struggling to get open outside the numbers, but I expect them to spring free enough times for the Rams to do their usual business.

Of course, Goff makes the one mistake you don't expect from him: throwing deep at three Lions defenders for almost no reason, resulting in an interception. I'm not often shocked when Goff panics under pressure or lacks a little juice throwing to the sideline, but to just chuck a ball into three opposing players? Hmmm.

Vince Verhei: For a while this game was surprisingly close, but the Rams added a touchdown and field goal late to take a 13-3 halftime lead. Looks like the Lions are focused on taking away the deep ball, which has frustrated the Rams -- Goff threw the one bad interception on one deep pass, and the Lions have broken up some other completions downfield with big hits. Surprising, because the Lions have been by far the NFL's worst defense against wide receivers, but the defense has played well enough to keep Detroit in the game.

Too bad for them, because their offense has done almost nothing. The Lions had one red zone drive that ended in a field goal; the other four drives all covered less than 30 yards and ended in punts. Dante Fowler and Aaron Donald each have a pair of tackles for loss for L.A.

Lions won't go away, but man, nothing is coming easy for them. Damon Harrison gets the hat trick -- sacks Goff, forces a fumble, recovers the fumble -- to set the Lions up in Rams territory. Even with that short field, the Lions run 10 plays and settle for a field goal. T.J. Jones looked like he had a touchdown, but was called for OPI on the play. For what it's worth, it looked like pretty mutual hand-fighting to me, but there was certainly contact. Lions then ran a give-up draw on third-and-goal from the 19, which got the home-team fans nice and pissed off, before kicking the field goal to make it 13-6.

After a Rams field goal extended the lead, the Lions start pulling out all the tricks and finally get a touchdown. They tried a double-pass, but Bruce Ellington was under instant pressure, nearly fumbled, and made a great play just to throw the ball away. The replay made it clear that the Rams were not fooled, and they had the downfield receiver double-covered anyway. Two plays later, though, the Lions go tackle-eligible, and it's a screen to Taylor Decker, and this time the Rams are fooled -- neither Decker nor his two blockers are touched as Decker scores. Rams lead 16-13. With Chicago down by two scores right now, wouldn't it be something if the Saints, Bears, and Rams all lost this weekend?

Is Jared Goff trying to lose this game? The Rams force a punt and the offense takes over inside its own 20. Goff then throws passes that hit defensive linemen in the hands behind the line of scrimmage on first AND second down, perfect pick-six opportunities, but neither lineman can make the catch. On third down, Goff hangs in the pocket forever and gets sacked, and the Lions are getting the ball back, still down just three. This has to be Goff's worst game of the year given the competition.

But then there is no mistake Jared Goff can make that Aaron Donald can't erase. He destroys Graham Glasgow up the middle for a fumble-sack, and the Rams recover. Shortly thereafter, Todd Gurley runs off tackle through a truck-sized hole for a touchdown. The Rams now lead 23-13 with less than seven minutes to go -- certainly not over, but definitely feels like they're in control. I'm of the opinion that Goff is a mediocre quarterback who is boosted by A-plus teammates and coaching staff, and that has never been more true than today.

Lions get a field goal and trail 23-16 with almost three minutes left and all timeouts remaining, but then they try the onside kick and the Rams recover. That seems like a terrible decision to me -- I know the Rams have been the better team all season, but the Lions could have given up a couple of first downs and still gotten the ball back. rather than relying on an onside kick that the Rams were very ready for.

Or not -- Gurley breaks free and runs into the red zone -- and then runs horizontally and goes down at the 1! Now the Rams can run three plays, kill time, and kick a field goal to ice the game. There's still 2:32 to go, but the Lions just called their last timeout. That's some galaxy brain clock management by Gurley.

Bryan Knowles: We've gone final here, and the Rams are officially the first team to make the playoffs. Saints would have pipped them to the line if they had handled their business in Dallas, but, well...

Baltimore Ravens 26 at Atlanta Falcons 16

Scott Kacsmar: The roof is open on a nice December day, and the sun is shining at an angle so that Jim Nantz and Tony Romo can't see anything. But the monitor is enough for them to call the game properly so far. They saw a nice opening drive touchdown from Lamar Jackson. I have to say, this might be the first time ever that the Ravens had a quarterback you actually were excited about watching, and I don't mean the play where Robert Griffin was in at wide receiver. Jackson made some nice improv plays before a designed 13-yard touchdown run where he just got the ball to break the plane. I think injury concerns are legit for Jackson's playing style, but as long as he's protecting himself and not meeting linebackers head-on he should be OK. It would also be good if he hasn't taken any sliding advice from RG3, who was notoriously terrible at doing that.

Buffalo Bills 17 at Miami Dolphins 21

Bryan Knowles: Miami has one of the more interesting quarterback decisions to make this offseason, so I've been trying to keep an eye on Ryan Tannehill today. His first drive went really, really well, capping off with a nice 18-yard touchdown pass to DeVante Parker as he was getting hit -- a good job of staying up under pressure and delivering the strike, knowing he was going to take a shot. That's the Tannehill the Dolphins were hoping for. On the next drive, however, Tannehill rushed for a 3-yard loss, was sacked down to the 7-yard line, and then was sacked again, nearly taking the safety. His offensive line did not help there, but his pocket presence was ... well, non-existent. That's the Tannehill the Dolphins need to move away from.

Dave Bernreuther: On third down, trailing by a touchdown, Zay Jones just came wide open in the end zone and Josh Allen threw it 10 yards behind him, leading to a field goal.

People can praise his scrambling all they want -- and he did make Kiko Alonso look silly on one rush in the first half, not that that's hard at this point -- but I don't care how effective your legs are when you're getting 5 yards per attempt and throwing away easy touchdowns. That's the kind of play that will lose you a game.

Bryan Knowles: Zay Jones may be having the best day of his career. He just caught his second touchdown pass of the day -- a personal best -- and his 62 yards are already his fourth-highest game total since being drafted as a second-rounder in 2017. That may say more about his struggles so far in the NFL rather than great praise of his day today, but he has given the Bills 14 of their 17 points (the two touchdowns and a two-point conversion). 17-14, Bills, early in the fourth quarter.

All of a sudden, we have a back-and-forth game in this one; it has been surprisingly exciting here in the second half. Kenny Stills just leapt over two defenders, turning what might have been an interception in the red zone into a go-ahead touchdown. He was well, well covered, and Tannehill never should have thrown it there ... but all's well that ends well, I suppose. 21-17 Dolphins.

Dave Bernreuther: That play was everything you'll ever need to know about Josh Allen.

Plenty of room in the pocket, start running around. A few jukes make it look like a Russell Wilson impression, and he breaks free and moves into open space. And then ... the big-armed quarterback who can make any throw ... throws a duck 10 yards short of a WIDE-OPEN Charles Clay. All caps isn't even enough emphasis there. Clay was standing there all alone in the end zone. He was uncovered where he stood and uncovered for many yards in every direction.

Allen left it short, barely to the goal line, and Clay couldn't get there. And, mercifully, this game is over.

Vince Verhei: Allen finished with 135 yards rushing. That's after he had 99 (officially -- he was over 100 before kneeldowns) last week. He's now averaging 48 rushing yards per game. For comparison, in his first year as a starter in 2002, Michael Vick averaged 52 rushing yards per game and only went over 90 yards three times. Allen is far from perfect, or even good, but the Bills are desperate for reasons for optimism on offense, and that kind of quarterback mobility is obviously something you can work with.

Indianapolis Colts 0 at Jacksonville Jaguars 6

Dave Bernreuther: It's the return of the ridiculous roughing the passer call! Matthew Adams of the Colts just had a completely unabated path to the backfield and went to make a textbook shoulder tackle, but Cody Kessler turtled, which led to maybe a tiny bit of head-to-head contact, and the Jaguars got a free first down in what has thus far been the most productive play for either side so far.

The new Jaguars offense is thus far indistinguishable from the old Jaguars offense, in that it's mostly running and hiding the inadequate quarterback. The Colts offense has also looked out of sync thus far, with Andrew Luck throwing a pick and also fumbling a ball when Anthony Castonzo got beat quickly by Yannick Ngakoue, only to have that negated by a defensive holding call. Marlon Mack hesitated to squander a midfield first down on third-and-2, and as we near the end of the first quarter the best thing to happen to the Colts offense was a taunting call that extended a drive after an incomplete third down pass.

They're not winning on any first or second down so far, but since that penalty they've converted two third-and-7s to T.Y. Hilton over the middle. But the drive hits a snag as Joe Haeg's return to the lineup sees him enter the game as a sixth lineman, only to immediately get beat and take a ticky-tack flag for holding. Thus far this officiating crew seems to really want to see themselves on television. This has been a very ugly game all around through one quarter.

In the second, the ugliness continues. Frank Reich took three points off the board to accept a penalty, but the drive bogged down again. A pitch to Jordan Wilkins on fourth-and-goal was stopped just short, and a lot of Twitter seems upset that they didn't take the points there. But you don't take the three off the board to then kick from the 2, and this is Cody Kessler and the Jags we're talking about here. People forget the probabilities of scoring next ... and in the blink of an eye the Jags go three-and-out and the Colts will start on the good side of midfield. Man, it's nice having a smart coach in Indianapolis.

Aaron Schatz: I never realized how much Cody Kessler has happy feet. Definitely seems to feel pressure that's not quite there yet, three scrambles so far, none of which were successful plays. Meanwhile, here are Kessler's Air Yards on his completions so far: -4, -4, 1, 1, 2, 1, 5, -3. And yet the Jaguars are winning thanks to the yards after the catch on those short passes. At halftime the Jags have 4.0 yards per play. The Colts have 2.6 yards per play. Yuck.

Dave Bernreuther: It's halftime in Jacksonville. The only reason this didn't happen half an hour earlier in a 3-0 game is that there has been a flag thrown on nearly every play. This game is UGLY. But credit the Jaguars defense for showing up and playing like it's 2017. They're making things difficult for Andrew Luck, and not just because Jalen Ramsey -- who overcame his injury to start -- fake offered Luck assistance getting up. The Jags are covering and tackling well, while also getting into the backfield more often than anyone has against the Colts in months.

I don't understand what just happened.

No sound here, but I don't get why on earth Luck threw a 3-yard out with nine seconds left, I don't get why the ref wound the clock when the receiver (Erik Swoope) landed completely out of bounds, and I don't understand why they were willing to let that stand and left the field.

That said, a high-powered offense that had been playing well just got shut out and lost to Cody Kessler, and they weren't all that likely to score on the next play, especially given their ridiculous 0-for-3 effort on fourth downs to that point (including a sack where they didn't even bother blocking an obvious safety blitz), so I have a hard time caring.

What an abysmal game for the Colts. Boy was that ugly. You should never lose a game where your defense only allows six points. Ever.

Bryan Knowles: It's a ref's judgement call -- the receiver was being knocked backwards as he was going out of bounds, so that's forward progress, and the clock keeps running. It's a borderline call, I agree, but the Colts should never have been in that situation -- they should have thrown it into the end zone twice.

Vince Verhei: I hate that rule, because A) it has left me confused many, many times, and B) most of the time it's not an obvious call at all, and it just feels like you're asking the ref to determine if he feels like the game should be over or not.

Dave Bernreuther: I think that's a ridiculous judgment to make, but I agree. In that situation that throw is pointless. That's an Alex Smith type pass, not something Luck should be doing. An incompletion would've been more valuable than those 3 yards.

Aaron Schatz: Luck's decision-making on that whole final drive was awful. Two plays before the pass to Erik Swoope that ended the game, he threw a 4-yard flat pass to Eric Ebron that took 20 seconds off the clock when there were only 35 seconds on the clock to begin with.

Dave Bernreuther: I hated that too. And on the play between those two, Luck dropped one in a bucket up the sideline to about the pylon and I thought Ebron's effort to get to the spot was poor.

Colts deserved to lose. And they could maybe use a dose of reality after that win streak anyway. But man ... getting shut out is a tough pill to swallow.

Arizona Cardinals 20 at Green Bay Packers 17

Bryan Knowles: I really thought Green Bay would destroy Arizona in a must-win game, but so far, not so good. The first quarter was scoreless with less than 100 yards of combined offense, and Josh Rosen has more passing yards than Aaron Rodgers so far -- not a statement I was expecting to say after the first drive or so.

After the game started with six straight punts (including three three-and-outs), Rodgers did throw a touchdown on fourth-and-4 to get the Pack on the board. It was only a 35-yard drive; the Packers were winning the back-and-forth run of punts, and Jaire Alexander's return set the Packers up deep in Arizona territory. The very next drive, though, the Cardinals marched right down the field, converting a trio of third-and-7s on their way to score the tying touchdown. It's a close one on the tundra, which doesn't bode well for either Arizona's draft position or Green Bay's playoff hopes.

Vince Verhei: So apparently none of us watched this game, but I can't help but note that Green Bay scored 17 points in a home loss to a team that just lost to Oakland. Aaron Rodgers threw 50 passes and only gained 233 yards. This franchise is badly broken, and nobody's job should be safe right now.

(EDITOR'S NOTE: Nobody's job WAS safe.)

Carl Yedor: I actually caught a bit of it but was pretty underwhelmed and was frankly quite surprised at Green Bay's inability to take care of business against the Cardinals. Arizona was in third-and-23 deep in their own territory late in the fourth quarter before Rosen scrambled to his right and hit Larry Fitzgerald for a diving catch to extend the drive that led to the go-ahead field goal. Rookie running back Chase Edmonds had a few nice runs spelling David Johnson. But outside of that, in a game where they were favored by two touchdowns, Green Bay laid a massive egg. Mason Crosby missed what would have been the tying 49-yard field goal as time expired.

Carolina Panthers 17 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24

Andrew Potter: The last time these teams played, Carolina shredded the Buccaneers with layer upon layer of creative misdirection offense that the Bucs defense simply couldn't handle. This time, the only reason the score didn't hit 17-7 Tampa Bay midway through the second quarter was a goal-line fumble on the careless stretch by Peyton Barber. The return of Lavonte David has certainly helped the Bucs -- he has one sack and tipped the ball to safety Andrew Adams for an interception on Carolina's opening drive -- but it's shocking how easily a secondary comprised of Adams, Justin Evans, De'Vante Harris, Ryan Smith, and Javien Elliott has handled the Panthers receivers to this point. Both sacks were unblocked blitzers from the second level -- one each for David and Kevin Minter -- but Cam Newton has been forced into a couple of scrambles and dumpoffs by good coverage deep downfield. Greg Olsen just went off with what sure looked like a season-ending recurrence of his foot fracture, which certainly won't help. Only one big play from Christian McCaffrey, a 53-yard run to set up his own 8-yard receiving touchdown, has the Panthers on the board as we hit the two-minute warning.

And just like that, De'Vante Harris makes a great play to break up a deep ball into the end zone for Curtis Samuel, then Javien Elliott gets a pick and good return on the next play to set up the Buccaneers on the edge of field goal range.

That interception leads to a Jameis Winston touchdown pass to Chris Godwin, which means Winston now holds the Buccaneers franchise record with 81 touchdown passes. He came in trailing Josh Freeman by one touchdown. By comparison, Blake Bortles has 103. What a sad, sad history that is.

Aaron Schatz: Seems like everyone out there who does film study on the Internet this year has written at least one piece about defenses getting killed by leaving wide-open receivers in the red zone in the corner hole of Cover-2. So I turn my head to the Panthers-Bucs game, and there's Godwin catching a wide-open touchdown in the corner hole in Cover-2. The Panthers don't seem to be playing with the urgency that should go along with a three-game losing streak.

Andrew Potter: Cam Newton is now up to four interceptions against a Bucs defense that had three total coming into this game. Three of those were to Andrew Adams. The last time Newton threw this many picks in one game, he was a rookie. The last two were heavily affected by pressure from Gerald McCoy. They're still in the game, but this is nothing like the Panthers offense we saw in early November.

That final drive from the Panthers was horrible. They got the ball back on their own 26 with 65 seconds remaining, then used 45 of those seconds to go all of 12 yards. One more play got them to their own 44, at which point we learned just why Taylor Heinicke has been throwing Hail Mary attempts for the Panthers this year. Cam Newton threw two attempts from around his own 40-yard line, and neither came down within 10 yards of the end zone. After an offside penalty gave the Panthers one more shot with zeroes on the clock, Heinicke came in to throw the final attempt. It had the distance, but was batted down.

This was a horrible defeat for Carolina, and a massive blow to their playoff hopes. Christian McCaffrey showed up -- another 100 yards on the ground, and 160 total -- but the rest of the offense did not. Cam Newton said this week that he felt he was playing the best football of his career. This sure wasn't that. The receivers were too easily blanketed by a patchwork Buccaneers secondary, and the line allowed too many pressures to go with the four sacks. Kind of a disaster all around, and the losing streak continues.

Denver Broncos 24 at Cincinnati Bengals 10

Bryan Knowles: This is sort-of a postseason elimination game -- the winner, at 6-6, will be right in the midst of the AFC wild-card race, while the 5-7 loser will probably be toast. It would be nice if either team was playing like a playoff contender, but I suppose you can't have everything. The first eight drives had seven punts and then a wobbling, knuckleball attempt on a 50-yard field goal by Denver. The most notable thing from those first eight drives was A.J. Green being carted off on a non-contact foot injury. Remember, today was his return from the toe injury that cost him a month or so of the season so far; I would assume he aggravated that. Chris Harris was also carted off, likely with a broken fibula. This one has seen more major injuries than touchdowns.

It's 7-3 at the half, as both offenses finally found a way to move the ball on their last drives of the half. The Broncos were sparked by Devontae Booker -- remember him? Was going to be the Broncos' Week 1 starter at running back before Phillip Lindsay became A Thing? He picked up 38 receiving yards on the touchdown drive, capped off by a Lindsay touchdown. The Bengals, meanwhile took advantage of a pair of Denver penalties to move the ball into the red zone, but a Jeff Driskel intentional grounding and then two Driskel incompletions forced them to settle for a field goal. 7-3 at the half.

The Broncos are now in control. Their first drive of the half looked like it would start with a three-and-out ... but Alex Erickson muffed the punt, and the Broncos fell on top of it in Cincinnati territory. Two plays later, Case Keenum found Courtland Sutton in the end zone, jumping over his defender to haul in a touchdown. The ensuing Cincinnati drive saw Driskel intercepted by Justin Simmons, which set up a 65-yard run by Philip Lindsay for the touchdown. It's a 21-3 lead, Cincinnati has show. no ability to do anything today, and I'm flipping off the game. The Bengals are toast.

Rob Weintraub: A.J. seems certain to become the 15th Bengal to hit injured reserve this season, which doesn't even reflect guys like Cordy Glenn and Nick Vigil and Darqueze Dennard who merely missed several games. It's beyond a season from hell; this is a season from Apokolips, the Darkseid planet.

I'm all for blowing it up and at long last ridding ourselves of Marvin Lewis et al., but he has been ridiculously shorthanded this year.

San Francisco 49ers 16 at Seattle Seahawks 43

Bryan Knowles: The wins by the Cardinals, Giants, and Jaguars mean that all of them stayed alive in the playoff race, at least mathematically. The Jets, too, caught enough of a break to dodge elimination this week.

That means we have basically a race between the Raiders and 49ers -- both are eliminated with a loss, both are facing apparently hopeless divisional matchups, and both are trailing early. The Seahawks marched 74 yards downfield, aided when the 49ers apparently decided Jaron Brown really didn't need to be covered, setting up a 45-yard gain, later capped off by a Brown touchdown catch. Those were the only two passes on the drive, as Rashaad Penny, Chris Carson, and Russell Wilson earned everything else with their legs. Sebastian Janikowski missed the extra point, so it's just a 6-0 lead for Seattle.

I would put odds on the Raiders being the first to be knocked out, as their game started 20 minutes earlier, but that's about the only hope the 49ers have.

Vince Verhei: Boy did I hate Seattle's first drive. Three straight handoffs resulted in a fourth-and-1 from their own 46. They call timeout to consider their options ... and then they punt. On fourth-and-1. Near midfield. After a timeout. On the first drive of the game. Impossibly bad game management.

Boy did I love Seattle's second drive. Play-action gets Jaron Brown uncovered on a deep crosser for a 45-yard gain. With a sixth lineman on the field, they fake the jet sweep right, then pitch to Rashaad Penny left, and that sixth lineman gets a big block on a cornerback to clear room for a 15-yard gain. Second-and-goal from the 11, Wilson scrambles to make third down makeable, and then on third down he scrambles again and buys time for Brown to get open for a touchdown and the lead.

Carl Yedor: After trading punts to start out, Seattle moves down the field thanks to a chunk pass play from Wilson to Jaron Brown and a nice run on a toss play to Rashaad Penny. Wilson caps off the drive with a touchdown pass to Brown, and after a missed Janikowski extra point, we sit at 6-0 near the end of the 1st quarter.

Bryan Knowles: Malcolm Smith deep in coverage on Tyler Lockett may be sub-optimal. The 49ers have a number of issues to sort out entering 2019, but I think replacing defensive coordinator Robert Saleh would make tons of sense. 13-0 Seattle.

Vince Verhei: This, of course, is the revenge game for one of the great defenders in Seattle history. I am speaking of Malcolm Smith, who won a Super Bowl MVP against Denver and didn't do much else in a Seahawks uniform. Now he's playing for San Francisco, and whatever talents he has, covering Tyler Lockett down the field is not one of them. Lockett might have gotten away with a push-off, actually, but he did get away with it, and it's a 52-yard touchdown. That's 101 passing yards and two scores for Russell Wilson on three dropbacks. Efficient!

Jeff Wilson is an undrafted rookie with seven carries and one catch coming into today. For some reason, he has been San Francisco's lead back today, with Matt Breida the change-of-pace. 20-some minutes into the game, he already has seven runs and two catches, with a big gain on a screen pass and a fourth-and-1 conversion. But then, as he is being tackled, Bobby Wagner rips the ball away for a fumble and recovery. It was a weird play where they were basically hugging and you couldn't see the ball. I have no idea how the call on the field was a fumble, but since it was, there was no way the replay could overrule it, because you could never see Wilson down on the field with the ball.

Bryan Knowles: Matt Breida has a lingering ankle injury, and it's possible it has flared up again. Best guess, at least -- he wasn't as explosive as usual against Tampa Bay.

The Seahawks just had a 90-yard touchdown drive. This included a muffed punt by the 49ers, an unnecessary roughness penalty on a sliding Russell Wilson, and a pass interference at the goal line.

It feels like there's a "The Aristocrats" joke somewhere in here, but the 49ers would probably fumble that one, too.

Vince Verhei: For the second time in the first half, the Seahawks had a three-and-out drive with zero Wilson passes. That should never happen unless they're ahead in the fourth quarter. But it doesn't matter because Michael Dickson just puts a ball into ORBIT. Officially 56 yards, with a ton of hang time. It was up there so long, I was surprised when it finally came back down. I think that threw off Richie James' timing, because he muffed the punt, and Seattle recovered. The ensuing Seahawks drive wasn't the prettiest thing ever, but it worked out in the end, as Wilson hit Doug Baldwin for a touchdown on third-and-goal from the 1 and a 20-0 lead.

The second half is 16 seconds old. Tyler Lockett returned a kickoff 84 yards to the San Francisco 20. (Jaquiski Tartt ran him down from behind, which was amazing.) Penny took a pitch for a 20-yard touchdown. It's 27-3 now and Seattle may not pass again.

Well that third quarter turned out to be eventful. San Francisco finally got a touchdown as Dante Pettis, who played college ball a few miles up the road, slips a tackle and goes into the end zone. They threatened to score again, but a third-down sack on a defensive back blitz by Justin Coleman took them out of field goal range. Richard Sherman finally appears on the screen, making a big hit on a running play, but then missing a tackle on Doug Baldwin, who scurries for a first down on second-and-21. Lockett's monster day continues, as he draws a 43-yard DPI, then runs for a first down on a jet sweep. Kyle Shanahan is clearly caught on camera saying "duck you" (darn it, autocorrect) to an official, which is a 15-yard penalty.

And now, early in the fourth, Wilson hits Brown for an 18-yard touchdown. It's 34-10 now, and Wilson has four touchdowns on nine completions.

(It's hard to blame him because he had to cover forever, but for the record, Sherman gave up that last touchdown to Brown.)

Carl Yedor: This game was almost definitely over, but after the 49ers marched down into the red zone again, Bobby Wagner picked off a Nick Mullens pass over the middle and returned it all the way for the touchdown. Janikowski misses another extra point, making the score 43-16 with under four minutes to play.

The announcers have been talking about Mullens keeping the 49ers in the game pretty well throughout, even though it was 20-3 at halftime and 27-10 to start the 4th quarter. Mullens has been mostly fine, but I wouldn't exactly call that keeping them in the game given the deficit. Making major improvements to the defense has to be priority number one this offseason for the 49ers.

Vince Verhei: I would add to that: except for some big plays by Pettis (who had a 75-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter), most of the 49ers' big plays have been running back screens. So it's not Mullens that has given them trouble, it's Wilson and Breida.

On that note, Breida did indeed tweak his ankle in pregame, and though he did play some, that's the biggest reason Wilson had such a big day: 134 yards from scrimmage with about a minute still to go.

New York Jets 22 at Tennessee Titans 26

Aaron Schatz: Have we secretly replaced Marcus Mariota with Cody Kessler? He's got the same thing going on today that Kessler did. Everything is a short pass. Early on he had a 15-yard incomplete pass to Corey Davis but since then it's all short. Currently at 7-of-11 for 23 yards. That's 2.1 yards per pass. This goes with the game from last week where he had over 95 percent completion rate but the big pass was almost all yards-after-catch by Jonnu Smith. Can nobody pass the ball downfield anymore?

Bryan Knowles: Welcome to the football game, Titans. This is pretty much a must-win for Tennessee, but the Jets jumped out to a 16-0 lead. None of Tennessee's first five drives gained more than 25 yards, and four of them were held to 7 yards or less. No es bueno. They finally got things going, with some big plays to Corey Davis and some key Mariota scrambles. Anthony Firkser scores a touchdown to get Tennessee on the board, but the ensuing extra point is blocked -- the second block by the Jets' special teams, responsible for a four-point swing. 16-6, Jets as we go to the half.

As Aaron noted, Mariota has not exactly been airing it out so far. His 10 completions have gained just 62 yards, and every single pass has been short; the 22-yard Davis reception was more run after the catch than it was air yards. The Titans seem to have no interest in airing the ball out at all. The only reason they're still in this game is the defense; they've held the Jets to just field goals on all three of their scoring drives. The touchdown came off of a Mariota pick-six. Things did look better on that last drive, though, so maybe the Titans can build in that coming out of the locker room.

Tom Gower: Marcus only attempted two or three "deep" passes last week, and it has been a continuing issue with the Titans offense. That Atlanta in Kyle Shanahan's first year also struggled to even attempt deep passes -- Matt Ryan threw bombs every other week or so -- is about their only redeeming grace of sorts.

Jets up 16-6 at the half. Like the Colts game two weeks ago, you thought of this game as a basic competence test for the Titans offense. Also like that game, the Titans are failing it, looking moribund and mistake-prone for the first 28 minutes until driving the field to get on the board (they had a blocked extra point to go with earlier blocked punt, courtesy of formerly good special teams). The Jets touchdown come on a pick-six by Trumaine Johnson where they could not either obstruct him on a legal pick or win at the catch point. The offensive line, in basically its THIRD YEAR almost completely intact, is still way worse than it should be, and Marcus is still Marcus: capable of playing extremely well within the design of a play, but prone to not handling it well when he cannot execute the design of the play. Josh McCown, meanwhile, is doing enough to move the ball some, but not enough to find the end zone even off a short field like the blocked punt gave them.

Bryan Knowles: Maybe the Titans have learned from last week. When facing a power situation, hand the ball to Derrick Henry, and not Luke Stocker. You know, the running back, and not the tight end. Result is a touchdown, as the Jets lead is cut to 19-13.

I didn't catch this one live as I was writing the Mike McCarthy extra point, but Marcus Mariota probably just saved Tennessee's season. The Titans had missed on their first ten third-down conversion attempts, but lucky No. 11 bailed them out -- Mariota hit Corey Davis for an 11-yard score with 36 seconds left. First third-down conversion, first lead of the day. Malcolm Butler picked Josh McCown off to end things. At 6-6, the Titans are still right in the thick of that AFC playoff race, but man, did they ever need this one.

Tom Gower: Titans win 26-22. The offense that couldn't keep out of their own way scored on four of six non-kneeldown second-half possessions, two touchdowns and two field goals and enough for the win, and without the benefit of good field position (best was their own 36). They actually connected on two deep shots, both to Taywan Taylor in his return from injury, for 40-plus yards. They had a few better runs, but it was mostly the passing game as thanks to the deep passes Mariota was over 11 yards per attempt in the second half after being under 4 in the first half. The Jets, meanwhile ... Josh McCown hit eight of his first nine passes for 82 yards and finished 17-of-30 for 128 yards -- or, yes, a 9-for-21-for-46-yard stretch that included two sacks and a couple of interceptions. That included a 20-yard completion on a failed comeback drive against soft coverage in the final minute. The Jets started the second half in Titans territory after a long kickoff return and couldn't get anything out of it. Their two field goal drives were largely on the ground, as a couple times they found success on the edge rather than the Titans' more common defensive problem of their linebackers getting caught on blocks at the second level. But when you can't throw a lick, it's hard to close out games, and Tennessee got a crucial win for their continuing hopes at something or other.

Minnesota Vikings 10 at New England Patriots 24

Aaron Schatz: Patriots don't seem to care that the Vikings have had the best defense in the league over the last few weeks. First drive was all passing, marched down the field in steady chunks, touchdown. Second drive was stopped after 16 yards, but then they came out for the third drive and decided now they would run the ball, and that got steady chunks, all the way until they were at third-and-1 1/2 at the goal line. But the Pats spread it out, went empty backfield, and couldn't connect with Julian Edelman. And I was a bit surprised, they kicked the field goal instead of going for fourth down on the goal line. So now it's 10-0.

We're 25 minutes into the game and there's no targets yet for Gronk or Josh Gordon. The Vikings secondary is down a guy or two. Xavier Rhodes has a hamstring injury and played the first drive, sat the second drive, then played the third drive again. When in there, he has done a good job of staying on Gordon. Trae Waynes is also in the concussion protocol. So there's a lot of rookie corner Holton Hill today.

We'll go to halftime with the Patriots up 10-7. Adam Thielen only had one target in the first couple of drives but they just found him in the end zone for the touchdown right before halftime. The Pats have been double-covering him a lot of the game while using Stephon Gilmore on Stefon Diggs for hot Stephon-on-Stefon action. That play the Pats had both McCourty brothers on Thielen but Devin McCourty was really in better position to double Thielen if he went inside and instead he went from the slot to the corner of the end zone, beating both of the twins.

Second half, 2:20 left. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of discussion of a couple of Vikings incomplete passes just now. Both appeared to be DPI on Patriots rookie J.C. Jackson, one on Adam Thielen and then one on Aldrick Robinson. From the press box, the Thielen play looked like more of a DPI; on replay, it looked like Thielen might be overdramatizing a bit but the Robinson play definitely had Jackson pulling on Robinson's arm. Vikings settle for field goal to make it 10-10.

On next drive, Patriots finally take advantage of the Vikings being down their top two cornerbacks, completing a pass to Josh Gordon where Marcus Sherels whiffed on the tackle and Gordon scampered 24 yards. Then they hit Gronk over the middle, then a James White run, and then Gordon got wide open in a zone of some sort (I think Cover-2) and scored a 24-yard touchdown. Now we're at 17-10. Damn that was quick.

Bryan Knowles: Here's the Aldrick Robinson play -- that's PI for most refs in the league, I would think.

Vince Verhei: Oh, that's a horrible miss by the refs.

Aaron Schatz: With 7:35 left, down 24-10, the Vikings followed up a holding call on second down with the following negative-ALEX fiesta:

  • 4-yard pass on second-and-20.
  • 5-yard pass on third-and-16.
  • 4-yard pass on fourth-and-11.

What the hell was the point of these plays? Especially the 4-yard pass to a fully covered Laquon Treadwell on fourth-and-11?

Vikings get lucky when Tom Brady throws a pick on the second play of the ensuing Patriots drive. Vikings will get the ball back near midfield. Still down two touchdowns, now 5:25 left.

Dave Bernreuther: Down two touchdowns on fourth-and-11, Kirk Cousins decisively throws a 4-yard pass with no hope of yards-after-catch to Laquon Treadwell. That's winning football.

But it works ... one play later, Eric Kendricks steps in and takes the ball away and the Vikings get a new set of downs.

Aaron Schatz: Cousins goes deep for Aldrick Robinson, and I swear he had J.C. Jackson beat. Somehow Jackson caught up with it, maybe the ball just hung a bit in the air, and he tips the ball up in the end zone, and safety Duron Harmon comes down with it. So much for that Vikings chance to come back.

Kansas City Chiefs 40 at Oakland Raiders 33

Bryan Knowles: Jon Gruden attempted to challenge a fairly obvious touchdown by Travis Kelce. That's bad, because there's zero chance it will be overturned.

It was a scoring play, so that's worse -- all scoring plays are automatically reviewed.

It happened with seven seconds left in the half, so that's worst -- that's a penalty.

Other than that, the Raiders have to be happy with their Gruden hire.

Oakland made it really, really interesting late ... but they end up falling short, 40-33. That means the Raiders do just beat the 49ers to the line as the first team mathematically eliminated from the postseason.

Los Angeles Chargers 33 at Pittsburgh Steelers 30

Scott Kacsmar: Unless you have Justin Tucker, you don't kick a 52-yard field goal on fourth-and-1 at Heinz Field. But Anthony Lynn maybe isn't familiar with this opponent. In fact, this is only the third meeting in the last nine seasons between these teams. A rare AFC matchup these days. To make the Chargers pay for the missed kick and good field position, Ben Roethlisberger finally hit the deep ball he has missed so often to Antonio Brown this season. That set up James Conner for a short touchdown run and it's quickly 7-0.

It has been a bad season for missing false starts, but the Chargers have gotten touchdowns on probably the two most egregious misses of 2018. The first one (against Cleveland) led to an official getting fired, and I think someone in this game should join him after missing a right tackle's false start on what became a 46-yard touchdown from Rivers to Travis Benjamin. It was so blatant, and it wasn't the first time tonight they missed one too. Seemed like there was at least a fourth one missed on a drive later by the Chargers as well. I'm not sure why this keeps happening when it's one of the most clear-cut penalties in the game and it's what the line judge should be looking for.

Carl Yedor: Roethlisberger hasn't looked sharp tonight. There have been at least 3 WIDE-open guys that he has airmailed, including the would-be touchdown to Justin Hunter that he just missed. The pick was also a weird throw, looked like he didn't step into it at all. With that said, Pittsburgh is still up 16-7 thanks to their defense and special teams shutting down most of what the Chargers have wanted to do tonight.

Derwin James has been all over the field and making a lot of plays, but the thing I'm most fascinated by with him is his mouthguard situation. It looks like he has one of the molded mouthguards that you can pop in and out and doesn't attach to your helmet with a strap a la Steph Curry, but he also has one that's attached to his helmet that he doesn't actually use and is only there for cosmetic purposes.

Scott Kacsmar: Not bad when you've had an uneven half, yet still lead 23-7 at halftime and are getting the ball to start the third. Keenan Allen and Antonio Brown are having huge games while no-one else is doing too much. Pass protection has again been excellent for Roethlisberger, the least-pressured quarterback in 2018. Plenty of time to find Brown on a 28-yard touchdown in the end zone late in the quarter. The Chargers have nine rushes for 2 yards. It's more than fair to say they miss Melvin Gordon tonight, but maybe the question is why not abandon the run? It seems like it has done nothing but set them back in the down-and-distance all night, and pressure has deflected a few of Rivers' passes right back at his face.

Tom Gower: The Chargers have had two possessions that have gained more than 14 yards. One ended with a missed 52-yard field goal on fourth-and-1. I have no idea what Anthony Lynn was doing with that decision. The other ended in a long touchdown pass to Travis Benjamin. They can't run, and Philip Rivers hasn't been able to do enough to compensate for when they've tried to run. Meanwhile Pittsburgh has moved the ball almost every time, with Antonio Brown having a huge game. Credit to the Steelers line with another excellent job.

Aaron Schatz: The Chargers pulling Philip Rivers for a down to stick in Geno Smith to run a read option has to win this year's award for most pointless overthinking of things.

Tom Gower: Ahem, Luke Stocker's first career carry (in his eighth season) on fourth-and-1?

Aaron Schatz: Oh, yeah, that was pretty bad. I think that one wins because it was fourth down.

Scott Kacsmar: Joe Haden had a pick in the end zone, but his own teammate (Sean Davis) blew him up and Allen ended up catching a touchdown for the Chargers. Crazy play. It's only 23-15 after a two-point conversion from Rivers to Antonio Gates. The only good news for Pittsburgh on that drive is that the Chargers kept running the play clock down to single digits so it's almost the fourth quarter.

Aaron Schatz: Hey! The Chargers did a thing on special teams that was not terrible! Punt return for a touchdown by Desmond King combined with 2-point conversion ties the game 23-23.

Now the Chargers discover their rushing game with a shotgun power play that has guard Dan Feeney pulling left. They ran it a couple of times on a big drive that has the game now at 30-23.

Bryan Knowles: I'm wondering if three offsides in a row is the NFL record. It might well be.

Tom Gower: Yeah, that email I sent about the game at halftime? Never mind. Everything changed in the second half for reasons I'm not sure I get. But the Chargers scored on the punt return touchdown and all three offensive possessions, including the field goal that would be retried and retried, and the Steelers stalled out three times. Crazy change of events.

Carl Yedor: In Rivers' post-game interview, he said he had been talking to his teammates in the locker room about a Sunday night game from 2006 against Denver where they came back from almost the exact same deficit and ended up winning by a similar score (he thought it was "35-28 or something"). Out of curiosity, I went and checked, and he was absolutely right.

In Week 11 of 2006, the Chargers played in Denver on Sunday Night Football. Denver took a 24-7 lead early in the third quarter (so not exactly identical but very similar) before the Chargers ended up coming back to win 35-27. I guess when you don't play on Sunday Night Football all that often the exact details become easier to remember.

Scott Kacsmar: None of us have ever seen a Pittsburgh team blow a 14-plus-point lead at home until tonight. Obviously took some wild events for it to happen, but I would be feeling awfully low if I was a player in that locker room. There's a pretty decent chance the Steelers finish no better than the fourth seed now, which would mean a rematch with these Chargers (or the Chiefs if they stumble) in January. They should have Gordon back for that one, and the offense really made it look easy once they realized Justin Jackson was a better fit tonight than Austin Ekeler on rushing plays. Great throw under pressure by Rivers to run the clock down on the game-winning drive. Pittsburgh's defense just couldn't stack good plays in the second half at all. This season could take a really dark turn if the Conner injury news is bad and they lose in Oakland, the sight of several past horrors, next week.

Comments

133 comments, Last at 05 Dec 2018, 6:19am

1 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Steve B // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:26am

SD-Pit was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Chargers were gifted their first two TDs and I don't believe Haden was off sides on the first missed FG.

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7 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by patriotsgirl // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:52am

Haden may not have been offside but someone was (I have been told by someone who rewatched a bunch of times that it's Davis).

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10 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Joe Pancake // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:59am

I didn't watch the replay a bunch of times. But when I watched it live, I immediately called out "off-side" in my head.

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51 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Jose21crisis // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:17pm

I definitely won't completely blame the loss due to the refs blowing calls (It was due to Keith Butler forgetting he has a great slot corner in Mike Hilton, and placing a LB on Keenan Allen, and the offense going to sleep during a lot of the 2nd half), but it was terrible officiating all around. Missed false starts, missed holds, phantom holds (One of them at least, on Ramon Foster), missed offsides, a missed illegal block in the back on the punt return (It wasn't a full on blow in the back, but other players have been flagged for less than that) and the Haden offsides didn't look offsides. At least, the replay didn't show the LOS, so I can't tell if it was offsides.

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69 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:50pm

Heh, Steelers fans are going to be complaining about that block in the back for a decade, sort of like Broncos fans who still get upset about a certain Dante Hall return TD from even longer ago :)

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81 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by LyleNM // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:41pm

However, Steelers fans should never, ever complain about phantom holding calls.

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2 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Pottsville Maroons Curse // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:42am

Regarding the final play of the Colts-Jags game, I've always been confused why a runner can be deemed to have his "forward progress stopped" if he's knocked slightly backwards as he goes out of bounds. In the field of play, having a play blown dead due to forward progress being stopped takes at least a second or two, and at the very least a firm grasp of the runner. Yet somehow things change near the sideline and it's allowed if the runner goes backward a foot or two on the initial hit.

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8 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lebo // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:53am

I guess the reason would be because, when being tackled in the field of play, the runner has the opportunity to make further progress up the field; whereas, when getting tackled into touch, that opportunity does not exist.

Regardless, that was the worst offensive display I think I've ever seen from the Colts. Or maybe my memory simply won't allow me to remember the 2011 season?

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16 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by jedmarshall // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:16pm

Not that it likely mattered, but that call was just a cherry on top of the horrible officiating in that game. Both offenses were terrible, but it didn't help that both teams were often in 1st and 20 due to a ticky tack holding call. There was maybe one legitimate hold I remember and often they were completely invisible. Throw in the personal foul on the Adams sack and variety of bizarre penalties on the Jags and the officials very much wanted to be the star of the show.

Seeing some media bashing Reich for going for it on 4th downs and not understanding "hidden value" in not making them. The 2nd 4th down where they eschewed the field goal from the 31 was a direct result of not making it on the drive before and making Jax punt from their own 3 or so on their posession. You can't bash both decisions without acknowledging that going for it the first time was the only reason they were in field goal range the second time.

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4 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:48am

Patriots had 74 offensive plays. The Vikings top 4 corners from September combined for 104 snaps, reducing them to having to tell Lil' (and verging on old) Marcus Sherels and undrafted free agents to defend against Brady in Foxboro, in December. Toss in a o-coordinator who has a reasonable fear that nobody will ever get blocked (it's easy to criticize short passes when you haven't guaranteed a hundred million to a qb with a crappy line), and some homerific refereeing, and the poor chance the Vikings had of winning this game 10 weeks ago pretty much vanished. Kind of suprised they had it tied at 10 deep in the third.

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6 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by patriotsgirl // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:51am

"Homerific refereeing"

Yes, that 4th down spot that NO ONE on the field thought was a first down (Vikings even changed some personnel!) was sure homerific. As was the non-PI on Edelman in the first half.

For whatever reason, this crew seemed to hate to call PI.

Sure, that's cherry picking, but that's the point - one can cherry pick officials' errors for both teams in pretty much any game.

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19 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by sbond101 // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:30pm

"For whatever reason, this crew seemed to hate to call PI" - That about summed up the day, and magically we had scoring and QB performances similar to what you saw in the <2011 era. It was kind of refreshing. The fact that the Audibles crew caught it and called it home cooking while ignoring that for some mysterious reason the Pats didn't throw downfield much until the Vikings forced them too by actually scoring points is instructive - putting aside the Edelman missed call that wasn't discussed. It's a counterpoint to the Joe Flacco theory of QBing.

The 4th down spot call was interesting - I'd be curious what others thought. The spot seemed fairly obviously wrong by a foot or two (and therefore first vs. 4th). This is a call that the NFL could easily get right if they worked harder at video analysis - but maybe it's not worth the ensuing delay. I thought it was a good use of an otherwise likely to be useless timeout by BB (in no small part because of the psychological effect of acknowledging the play your defense appeared to make).

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55 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by RobotBoy // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:36pm

Belichick seems to be very clearly resurrecting the early 2000s Patriots - ball possession, runs between the tackles, dink and dunk. This D isn't close to the ones of the first dynasty but it's better than the recent incarnations, with a stronger pass rush and a secondary that seems to have gelled. The approach is undoubtedly matchup specific, another chunk is about limiting Brady's exposure (and waiting for Minnesota's D-line to tire). I wonder though if BB sees that many teams no longer have the heavy personnel on D to consistently stop a throwback approach, with teams playing nickel and dime more than base. The Pats have a good o-line that has gotten healthy and can run block quite well. Although I'm not as high on him as Pats fanbase, Michel is good enough to gain extra yards behind that line, White and Patterson are good change of pace options, and Burkhead is finally back. Devlin is also probably the best blocking fullback in the league.
As far as the cries of bias, well, Patriots fatigue set in a long time ago for everyone not raised in New England and I think that even quality analysts just wish the Pats would go away. I get it - sometimes I feel that way myself and I've followed the team for forty years. Too many of the fans have a ridiculous sense of entitlement - the bashing of Belichick, McDaniel and Brady that goes on after a 14-point win would make you think the team lost by 30.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:55pm

This D isn't close to the ones of the first dynasty

Well, no. Current rules would make that defense ineffective. That defense would shatter the 212 penalized yards record held by Tennessee.

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by sbond101 // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:45pm

I agree that there is a clear effort to attack teams unprepared to defend against a pro personal package (I/Broken I with a TE in the game). I think the Patriots tilt toward downhill running/PA against teams unprepared to defend against it from a personal & scheme point of view is one of the most interesting things going on in the NFL. I also think it's a great strategic play to reduce exposure at the QB career and have Brady end his career like he began it - an effective QB playing within himself in a well thought out scheme (rather than an off the cliff QB trying to play like he did in his prime), at the same time as making a transition possible without crushing a rookie QB by reordering the personal.

As far as Pats fatigue - It's an element of American culture that I don't really understand and it drives me nuts. I watch the NFL because I want to see what the best can accomplish, every year more that BB wins 12 games and takes a team deep in the playoffs despite the structural disadvantages he's at (due to drafting at the bottom, having lots of cap casualties, and the way that the schedule favors teams that lose the previous year) is a testament to me of what a great professional can accomplish and a privilege to witness. The day will come soon enough that Pats as we know them won't be around and I'll have to go back to watching "good" instead of "great" at the organizational level - there really isn't another truly organization in the non-basketball North American sporting world to watch right now.

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by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:06pm

I'm force fed Pats games by my local station, and watching Belichick and the organization take what they have and game plan around it each year is fascinating.

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:04pm

About 90% of the time I hear someone complain about play-calling, I think they ought to be forced to repeat, about a hundred times, "Personnel dictates playcalling, personnel dictates playcalling, ...". I mean, you'd think it would be obvious that there are no generic players, allowing you to call plays in a vacuum, but rather players with wide ranging, unique, and specific skill sets, which both expands options and places constraints on the playcaller, but the way you hear a lot of people talk, sometimes people with reputations, it becomes clear that this concept is frequently overlooked.

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by theslothook // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:12pm

One of my favorite comments was from Brian Bilick of all people, who was calling a Jets game where they were hopelessly behind by halftime and still came out running and throwing their typical offense.

When asked why, he said - "You spend all week of practice on a gameplan designed against a specific opponent playing to the strength of your offense." Its not as simple as, oops it didn't work, now lets go turn into the Patriots."

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by tuluse // Dec 03, 2018 - 7:16pm

Billick was one of the best commentators I've ever heard his first year. I assume producers got to him much in the same way the egg council got to Lenny

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by Lebo // Dec 04, 2018 - 10:03am

That's a delightfully unexpected The Simpsons reference!

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by scraps // Dec 04, 2018 - 5:45pm

I hear Bilick, but, you know, if you have the only plan, so that if it doesn't work, you still stubbornly stick to that plan because you don't have another, then maybe you didn't plan well. Good adjustments is what separates the good from the great.

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by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 04, 2018 - 5:53pm

OTOH, maybe NOT making adjustments and sticking with what you practiced is what separates the Sanchezes from the Petermans?

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by Will Allen // Dec 04, 2018 - 7:10pm

Strangely, the team that has the players that do more things well tends to have the better playcaller.

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by theslothook // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:14pm

I can explain the Pats fatigue...they win too much. I appreciate individual players on other teams, but the NFL is a zero sum game and success for one team does come at the expense of another(including my team at a time when they were also dominant), even if indirectly. Imagine you are fan of the bills, jets, and dolphins - every year writing off the division because you simply don't stand a chance. Imagine you are Pittsburgh, knowing your defense is always suffering a learning curve against the Patriots. Imagine you are a fan of Peyton Manning(me) constantly having to hear how your favorite player lacks mental toughness to be the game's greatest because he can't beat one specific opponent - something curiously common for everyone else too.

There's a team I root for in the nba that's getting the same treatment right now. And I totally get it.

Ok, the analogy is strained somewhat because the that team out talents everyone(at least when healthy) while the Patriots do it through all of these marginal advantages that add up together to be something substantial. But still, it's not exactly easy to stomach the Patriots when every year it feels like the an up and coming team ends up dying in the frosty winds of Foxborough. I don't expect NE fans to be bored with it and I certainly would cherish every moment of this were I them. But for everyone else, yeah...like the old cliche, "it is what it is".

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by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:18pm

That's understandable, but fans of the Fins, Jets, and Bills have plenty to point at internally to explain their relative lack of success.

And the more thoughtful fans of those franchise do, I believe, see things that way.

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by theslothook // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:40pm

It's two parts incompetence, one part responses to their divisional bully.

this is not meant as an excuse for the stupidity of these teams or all of the other teams that have not won.

It's more like...it's perfectly reasonable to admire the Patriots and simultaneously root with all of your fervor against them.

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by sbond101 // Dec 03, 2018 - 8:18pm

I think people who have watched the AFC east for years really should have a sense by now of how Dynasty's have the secondary effect of driving their rivals to do crazy things. If you look at the AFC east, the Jets fired Eric Mangini and Herm Edwards (two middling head coaches) specifically because they couldn't beat they Patriots - then held on to Rex Ryan!!! for 5 years because he played the Pats tough. A huge part of failed-Bill's head coach bingo is guys who were fired in substantial part for getting blown away by the Pats (and part of the reason they hired Rex Ryan was because he "knew how to beat them"). The rational approach is of course what the Bronco's did - try to make your team better each year and don't worry that the team that beat you in a critical game happened to be the same one a couple times in a row - it's about getting better regardless of the menace of the fan base; but most football teams are managed with fan sentiment looming (near) as large as winning.

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by Mike B. In Va // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:08pm

Buffalo (and Miami, to a lesser extent) also have had significant ownership challenges during the Pats' dynasty. In Buffalo's case, it was Wilson being cheap at nearly-Mike Brown levels, especially when paying coaches. Pegula is better, but has the aforementioned Ryan debacle to overcome. It looks like the new staff is following the Carolina/Denver model and just making the team better, and not worrying so much about the Pats.

Although they did draft a MLB that will be able to cover Gronk when he figures out how the game works. But I think that was just coincidence, not by design, since the staff was looking for their Kuechly.

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by PatsFan // Dec 04, 2018 - 1:52pm

Though despite all that, NE has a lower winning percentage vs the AFCE than it does against the rest of the league.

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by mehllageman56 // Dec 04, 2018 - 2:51pm

Rex Ryan got to 2 AFC championships with a rookie quarterback who has not turned out well, to the point that people are griping that Washington is giving up on the season by playing him. No matter how you feel about Ryan, he was a better coach than Mangini or Edwards. He went for it on 4th down more often (that's how he closed out the playoff game against the Chargers) than either of them. Even his worst team, the 2014 Jets, looks better coached than this year's version. Also, Herm Edwards wasn't fired. He quit. He probably quit on that 2005 team before the season started; he had dinner with his friends in the Kansas City front office the night before the season opener. While Rex did not do well with Buffalo (he probably should have waited a year or two before going anywhere, and the Bills should have hired a defensive head coach or co-ordinator who fit the team's personnel), he did start Tyrod Taylor over the first round guy, leading to some competence on the offensive side. That probably led to the Bills finally making the playoffs the next year.
I'm not sure the Broncos have a rational approach either; I would think their approach is to have Super Bowl John smooze the best available free agent quarterback of all time. That's partially luck, not a great plan. They also kept John Fox too long, and only won with Peyton once they went with someone else less conservative in their game decisions. They almost didn't win one with Peyton at all.
Luck has partially led to the weakness of the rest of the AFC East; Pennington's injuries when he is the only quarterback to win the division aside from Brady the last 12-14 years, the Dolphins losing on playoff tiebreakers several years in the beginning of the Pats dynasty, chosing Culpepper instead of Drew Brees, Saban leaving them. The Bills have been a terrible organization the entire time though; their best coach was probably Doug Marrone.
As a Jets fan, I am looking forward to Brady and Belichick's retirement. I might even enjoy Belichick trying to hang on after Brady-then again, I might not. But I am more dispirited by how foolish the Jets coach has been this year, and how foolish their front office has been the last five years, than the Patriots winning streak. I even root for them against teams I hate more, like the Steelers. Sunday was fun.

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by xydux // Dec 04, 2018 - 3:52pm

So, because I'm a Broncos fan, I want to defend the team and their approach.

I think that Elway is good at scouting pass rushers and cornerbacks. Not so sure about his ability with safeties, linemen, or any offensive players outside of receivers (I think he's mediocre at that last one, given that so far his best-looking wideouts have been D. Thomas [McDaniels pick], Sanders [drafted by Steelers], and maybe Sutton [rookie with upside]). The big question is whether he can find a QB, and I give him a pass on Lynch since a lot of teams whiff on QBs (SD drafted Ryan Leaf, then a few years later drafted Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers; Buffalo hasn't had a guy since Jim Kelly; neither Winston nor Mariota [sp.] look like world-beaters).

So given that, combined with the fact that pretty much no team wants to admit to a rebuild (aka three years of losing), I'm not surprised that his method seems to be to try and find a guy in free agency to hold down the fort while trying to draft a QB. It's not completely nonsensical, although it hasn't paid off yet (apart from Manning, but everybody without a long-term QB solution was going after Manning).

As for Fox, I think that keeping him too long is more a factor of hindsight than anything. Prior to his disastrous stint in Chicago, he was seen as a guy who built Carolina up and got them to a Super Bowl before things got too comfortable, and he was basically hired to right the ship in Denver after Josh McDaniels McDanielsed the team. I believe he was hired to do the same thing in Chicago–to help a team in the gutter climb back to mediocrity/playoff contention (so basically as a rebuild coach), and honestly I was surprised the Broncos fired him as soon as they did. (Not that I disagree with the decision, especially with the benefit of hindsight.)

Of course, it's also possible that it's all smoke and mirrors and Elway lucked into Manning and everything that came with it, but I'd give him a few more years and see how things pan out.

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by RobotBoy // Dec 04, 2018 - 9:01am

That's a great point about planning for life post-Brady that I hadn't considered - Belichick moving the micro and macro level, job security an advantage he's earned but which makes it even harder for new coaches who have to win quickly to sustain success. The Ryan Jets were able to compete for a while via good drafts and free agents until the rookie contracts came due. It seems like they only escaped from cap hell yesterday.
Of course, McCarthy is an example of the dangers security presents - stagnation being foremost.
It's fascinating to see decent analysts miss the point of what BB is trying to do. After the Vikings game, the Pats only opened up after Minnesota tied it and there was plenty of grousing along the lines of - why didn't they throw it downfield sooner? Well, maybe because they didn't want to watch Brady get dismembered by a good pass rush. Or guys pointing out that since the Vikings were averaging 8 yards per carry, they should have run it more. If they had, of course, that YPC average would have gone down very quickly.
The Vikings receivers were both playing hurt but I still think the Pats shutting them down was pretty impressive. The defense is underrated and I think it will get even better now that it seems like one of the real weaknesses - speed and athleticism at LB - is being addressed by the latest Oakland castoff.
Seeing the Pats play the Rams in the SB would be fascinating because of the ways Belichick would try to scheme to overcome the talent disparity. A long way to go before that's a concern though.

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by mehllageman56 // Dec 04, 2018 - 3:00pm

The Jets escaped cap hell a lot quicker than people realize. Idzik had plenty of money to play with his second year, and did nothing with it. Also, their cap issues were due to signing/trading for veterans, something Tannebaum still does (perhaps that's why the Dolphins remain decent, while the Bills and Jets are rather bad this year, he doesn't let the team completely tank).

The Pats are totally shielding Brady now that they have a good run blocking line and several good backs to hand off too. The Saints have been doing this too. Looking at the rest of the AFC, not sure if that plan will work against the Texans or Ravens, but KC and Pittsburgh will be hard pressed to stop it. The Rams' run defense has been bad this year too. If the Pats end up playing Chicago, they would need to rely on Brady or turnovers a lot. Much as everyone gripes that the Pats win it every year, the playoffs will be a lot of fun this year.

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by RobotBoy // Dec 05, 2018 - 6:19am

Ravens always play the Pats well but a mistake-prone rookie QB lessens the threat (For some annoying reason, Flacco usually has good games against NE). Home field looms large for the Pats, larger than usual. Pittsburgh is in real trouble. I can't see Houston winning in January in Foxboro but in the Gulf Coast swamps - sure. K.C. is so dependent on peak offense to win that even a slight decline would make them vulnerable. We'll see how they handle the loss of Hunt but bad weather could also slow them down. At Arrowhead though, they'll be a clear favorite, even with Andy Reid playoff magic in effect. As we saw in the Vikings game,Pats still can wing it when need be but the margin of error has obviously shrunk. If the Pats stay healthy and Gronk overcomes his nicks and dents (and isn't in irreversible decline), they could win it all. Even without 90% Gronk they'll be a tough out, especially if the defensive improvement isn't a mirage. Pats at 13-3 probably do get homefield and the most likely team from AFC to face the Rams.
Next week's game in Miami will a great reveal. Although a few of the losses have been because there was nothing to play for, they have had some head-scratching fails there (one probably cost them the championship game against Manning's corpse). If NE they roll Adam 'Definition of Mediocrity' Gase, than I'll start to think they're for real. Stumble and the end is nigh.

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:34pm

Lighten up, Francis. My only point was that when you are playing a good team on the road, you need to get some random stuff to break in you favor.

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by patriotsgirl // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:14pm

I take it you don’t disagree with any of the substance of my comment, so cheers! We don’t disagree on your larger point.

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by RickD // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:21pm

That 4th down spot was ridiculous. Felt like the officials confused the line of scrimmage and the first down marker. I think the back got to the line of scrimmage.

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by patriotsgirl // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:25pm

I have never seen a 1st granted on a 4th down play where it seems not a single offensive player did the first down signal, or signalled in any way that they were successful. I think Belichick had to challenge it on "WTF" grounds if nothing else.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:13pm

On the other hand, the Lions beats this Pats team.

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by MJK // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:20pm

Well, not exactly. No team is the same as the team that played back in week 2 or 3.

For example, that Lions team had Ameer Abdullah and was playing better than the current Lions team, and that Pats team didn't have Edelman or Gordon or Burkhead, a healthy O-line, and wasn't regularly starting Jason McCourty.

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:45am

Man, if the Bears performance yesterday is a harbinger, the NFC North has turned into a complete and utter disaster, from what I thought was a really intetesting division after the Mack trade.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:15pm

Every NFC North team has had a "whoops I crapped the bed" game this year.

Detroit against the Jets, Minnesota against Buffalo, Chicago against the Giants, and Green Bay against the Cardinals.

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:31pm

Those whoops games tend to be indicative of real weaknesses; the Vikings inability to block is what produced that loss. We'll see if the Bears loss to the Cards actually illuminates anything, other than the obvious; it being better to have your best qb play the game.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:04pm

The Green Bay loss was so momentous, it actually bled over and also defeated the Bears!

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:18pm

HA!

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by justanothersteve // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:29pm

Not just the Bears. So bad it caused every NFC North team to lose.

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by Steve in WI // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:34pm

I’d say this is at least the 2nd one of those for the Bears...the loss to the Dolphins feels worse because they had a healthy Trubisky for that one. And blowing the game against the Packers opening week is looking worse and worse since the Packers have turned out to not be any good.

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by dbt // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:05pm

Chicago has lost three games they shouldn't, due the defense gassing (GB), poor QB play (NYG) and a honked field goal (MIA). Now they could easily be 9-7 at the end of the season if they don't learn how to play defense in the 2nd half.

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by Steve in WI // Dec 04, 2018 - 3:03pm

Really, the defense falling apart toward the end of the game has been a problem in more games than that. They've just been good enough overall to overcome it in a couple of their wins. If Trubisky comes back healthy this week and stays healthy, then I'd say the defense crumbling in the 4th quarter is my biggest concern going forward.

That said, 9-7 certainly isn't impossible (nor is 8-8!), but I'm about as confident of the Bears winning the division as I was before Sunday. Assuming they lose to the Rams, which with a healthy Trubisky is probable but far from a certainty, they need to win 2 of 3 against the Packers, Niners, and Vikings to get to 10 wins which will presumably be enough to win the division. I feel good about that. The Giants game was ugly all around but I still think not having Trubisky was what turned it from a too-close win to a loss.

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by Eddo // Dec 04, 2018 - 4:37pm

I think the "defense falls apart at the end of the game" narrative is a little overblown, or at the very least, is not actually worse than "the offense starts games poorly". I'm looking game by game:

Packers: no argument here, the defense collapsed, though it was SO good early; the offense *also* collapsed here, though
Seahawks: the defense gave up 14 fourth quarter points (though 7 were with 14 seconds left) and scored 7 of their own, I wouldn't call this a collapse
Cardinals: it was the opposite, the defense gave up 14 points in the first quarter and nothing after that; the offense looked awful early in this game, and rallied a bit
Buccaneers: total blowout, can't really count it
Dolphins: another collapse, but if the offense had done anything in the first half, it wouldn't have mattered
Patriots: a weird game, the defense gave up 24 of the 38 total points, only 10 of which were in the second half; this loss is almost completely on the special teams
Jets: defense gave up 7 of the 10 total points in the fourth quarter (while up 14); if this is a collapse, then 2/3 of all games involve defensive collapses
Bills: total blowout, doesn't count
Lions: the defense gave up two late touchdowns, though they were up 3 scores (four if any two-pointers were missed); again, if this is a "collapse", then lots and lots of teams collapse
Vikings: gave up two fourth quarter touchdowns, but like Seattle, had scored one of their own and the second one was with less than a minute left; they basically made the Vikings take up a lot of time to score, which is arguably the "better" strategy here (see the Packers and Dolphins games, where they gambled for interceptions / big plays and allowed tons of YAC)
Lions: gave up 3 fourth quarter points, scored 7 of their own
Giants: third quarter was horrendous here, but the defense stepped up in the fourth to allow the comeback (the only fourth quarter points were after Gabriel fumbled inside the Bears' 20); OT was bad

I count:
- two true collapses (Packers and Dolphins)
- one where they gave up two touchdowns, both while up three scores (Lions I)
- two where they scored a defensive touchdown to ice the game before giving up scores in the last minute (Seahawks, Vikings)
- one where they came out flat at halftime, but buckled down (and having a good QB would have meant the game wasn't really close) (Giants)
- one where the defense played lights out in the second half (Cardinals)
- two where the defense played consistently throughout the game (Jets, Lions II)
- one where special teams colored the entire game (Patriots)
- two blowouts that don't tell us much (Buccaneers, Bills)

So do they collapse too much? Yes, because in theory, you want zero blown leads. But some of these "collapses" wouldn't have been leads to begin with if the defense was overall worse, so this complaint to me seems like the classic "blaming your best player" mindset that fans have.

I'd also love to know how the Bears compare to other defenses up one score, two scores, etc. My impression is it's easier than it's ever been to score touchdowns late in games, so it could be that the demand to "never collapse" is unreasonable given the current scoring environment and rules.

So do I wish the defense looked just as good in the fourth quarter, overall, as it did in the first? Of course I do. Do I expect the Rams and/or Saints to score multiple times in the fourth quarter? Yes... but they'll do that against 31 other teams. The hope - as it is for just about every other NFL team - is that the Bears have a big enough lead so that a late touchdown by their opponent doesn't lose them the game... which is scary, but to me, just the way the NFL is.

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Generally, the Giants game doesn't bother me too much, because I think they win by multiple scores if Trubisky played. The early pick six by Ogletree is the easiest thing to point two, but Daniel also killed at least a couple drives by sacks of the type that Trubisky usually avoids. I tend to think the Bears would have been up 14-3 at halftime instead of 14-10, so the defense would have had more breathing room.

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by tuluse // Dec 04, 2018 - 6:37pm

Yeah, I think in the modern NFL when teams go to 4 down all passing offense you're either going to pick them off or they're going to drive. Not that this defense is amazing (it's just very good), but short of bring back an in-his-prime Urlacher I just don't think there's much you can do about it.

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by Steve in WI // Dec 04, 2018 - 7:08pm

It may be a little overblown. I should also clarify that I believe there is a significant difference between "the defense is objectively bad in the 4th quarter and the players/coaches should be heavily criticized for it" and "the defense tailing off in the 4th quarter is one of my biggest concerns about this team because so many other things, including the defense in the first 3 quarters, are going so well." My view is definitely more the latter.

That Patriots game is really interesting because I feel like the people complaining that the Bears don't have any wins against good teams are ignoring how close they came to sending that game to overtime when their special teams were atrocious and accounted for 14 of NE's 38 points. It's not fair to say they would have held NE to 24 without those mistakes, but they were certainly in that game.

I also think Nagy's cautiousness on offense had a lot to do with the GB and MIA losses. He could have been more aggressive to try to avoid giving the ball back to GB and he could have been more aggressive in OT so as not to have to settle for a 50+ year FG attempt. It wouldn't change the overall performance of the defense, but if a couple of things go differently on offense in those games we might be talking about the Bears being 10-2 and having a realistic shot at a bye.

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by tuluse // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:15pm

The Bears with Chase Daniel are certainly not a good team.

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by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:25pm

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!

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by Chip // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:09pm

Certainly.

That said, they are talented enough despite a back up QB and -2 in the TO ratio to almost win the game. They had 6! Fumbles (lost only 1) and generally played poorly. Yet were still in it - largely due to Nagy’s play calling and game management in the last 3 mins of regulation.

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by Joe Pancake // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:49am

"Boy did I hate Seattle's first drive... Boy did I love Seattle's second drive."

This sums up the season, no? Their offense has been a hot-and-cold fractal -- game to game, drive to drive, play to play.

On net, it's been effective -- begrudging credit to Brian Schottenheimer -- but it is *so* frustrating to watch them run the ball repeatedly on downs like 2nd-and-9 and 3rd-and-3 when the passing game has been so efficient.

The flip-side, of course, is that maybe the passing game has been so efficient in large part *because* they run the ball repeatedly on downs like 2nd-and-9 and 3rd-and-3.

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by Pen // Dec 03, 2018 - 8:27pm

You mean like every football team in history? Like how Aaron Rodgers is having a terrible year because he has no running game to make the defense play fair? Like Elway only got his rings once he had a legitimate running game? Like pretty much every elite QB is better off with than without a running game?

This years passing game has been incredibly efficient. Wilson't TD rate of 8.9%is the 5th best single season in NFL history behind Peyton Manning (2004), George Blanda (1961), Y.A. Tittle (1963), Len Dawson (1962). Only Manning and Warner have thrown 39 or more TDs in a season with less than 500 attempts. Wilson is on pace to do that with only 435 attempts. Over the past 10 games he's thrown 20 TDS and 2 INTs for a passer rating of 122.6. He is now only the second QB in NFL history with a career passer rating over 100 (Aaron Rodgers being the other).

People can't say it's the defense anymore. This D just gave up 414 yds passing and 2 TDs to Nick Mullens.
Who?

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9 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Joe Pancake // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:57am

Credit to the Cardinals for going for it on 3rd-and-23 deep in their own zone and not running the BS draw play for six yards. Trying to convert there is so obviously the correct move (because the reward is so great: a few yards of field position on a punt vs. keeping the drive alive), but I feel like many coaches wouldn't try it.

In fact, we saw this with the Dolphins a few weeks ago against the Colts, when they punted in even more favorable circumstances ("only" 3rd-and-10). I thought that was low-key one of the worst coaching decisions of the year.

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29 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ammek // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:04pm

I do feel like there have been more conversions from 2nd- or 3rd-and-absurdly long this season, and not all of them have involved the Giants. It used to annoy me when Mike Holmgren would call an Edgar Bennett draw on 3rd-&-7 back in 1996, an era when the NFL still allowed defense; nowadays it makes no sense at all.

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11 TB1K

by PatsFan // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:01pm

Best fun moment of the NE/MIN game was the final play, when Brady made sure to go forward on his kneeldown so it wouldn't lose yards and then emphatically pointed where he went down to the refs.

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by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:17pm

Interesting.

Under both college and NFL rules, that shouldn't matter. In a give-up play, the spot is supposed to be marked where you gave yourself, not your point of most-forward advancement.

But the NFL has never held QBs to anything as plebian as the written rules.

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18 Re: TB1K

by PatsFan // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:25pm

Well, he moved forward and his knee didn't hit the ground until the LOS.

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30 Re: TB1K

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:05pm

In NCAA, anyway, it doesn't matter if your knee never hits the ground. Simulation is as good as an actual kneel, and you're down where it started.

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12 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Gladiator of the Gridiron // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:04pm

The Bucs D has been much improved in recent weeks, and Jameis Winston hasn't been taking any crazy risks with his passing in the last two games. The ground game still seems feeble, though... and sooner or later that's going to lead to more INTs.

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13 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Cythammer // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:09pm

Pretty shocking the way playoff contenders Indianapolis and Carolina performed yesterday. Maybe not so much that they lost, but how they lost. I'm sure if you had said before the game the Jags would only score 6 points most people would've thought the Colts would win easily. Jacksonville may still have a strong defense, but getting shut is always terrible, especially in the offensive environment of 2018.

Meanwhile, throwing four picks against Bucs defense is a remarkable achievement. TB only had three total on the season going into the game. That means an outright majority of the Bucs' interceptions through 12 whole games came in that single contest. That's crazy.

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20 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:30pm

Arizona played HARD from start to finish. The d-line was really stonewalling Packers blocking scheme coupled with backups having to play at multiple spots on the line. And the Packers left tackle is battling knee problems so his ability to execute was almost certainly impaired. The d-line effort allowed the Cards to keep 7 back on pass plays and GB obviously could not push the ball downfield wind or no.

The Packers run defense was erratic so at times things went well but when it broke down the results were really terrible. Rosen's scramble for 30 plus yards was a classic Josh Jones who broke in thinking he could sack Rosen but not only missed but took out a teammate. And then vacated his spot which allowed the long run to happen.

I am now all but convinced that 12 took the most passive-aggressive means possible to get his head coach fired. Can't prove it. But that is what I think based on behaviors, comments, actions and inactions. And I don't think this situation speaks well for 12 at all. Previously I thought he would have a public blowout based on his obvious frustration Instead he did just enough on the field to avoid being blatant about his unhappiness but not everything possible.

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25 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:41pm

I have no problem with star players dictating coaching changes; Magic Johnson was doing it with the Lakers 38 years ago, and he was right to do so. I agree with you, however, that it matters how it is done. I don't know enough about Rodgers' behavior to have an opinion on it, but if he wasn't directly confrontational at some point, that's pretty bad.

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26 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:52pm

If there were any private confrontations the Packers kept things under wraps, because there are multiple writers with great access who never hinted at any such discussions.

Rodgers has had enough bad body language that frankly I was repeatedly surprised that MM did not at some point respond in kind. Sure he's the coach and you handle these types of things in private first and foremost. But if the employee is going to continue to act out at some point you need to confront him at minimum so that the other plays in the lockerroom know what is and is not acceptable behavior.

I am not alone in this opinion. Tom Silverstein of the JSOnline shared the same thoughts on his podcast this morning and said that he will be very interested in how 12 plays the remainder of the season.

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45 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dank067 // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:38pm

If you haven't seen it, the big SI piece from last week has an anecdote from 2017 where McCarthy apparently did confront Rodgers about his body language. Whatever they might have discussed, Rodgers certainly has let it continue into this year.

Here's the piece. It actually has as much/more to say about Thompson and Russ Ball as it does McCarthy and Rodgers. A lot of anonymous sources like many of these pieces have but I thought it was well-written and gave a reasonably full perspective of the issues:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/29/green-bay-packers-problems-aaron-rodge...

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52 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:24pm

I did read that and given that nobody would put their name to anything really undermined its credibility. That and everyone and their cousin not just in this article but everywhere around the team taking shots at Thompson. Yes, there were misses in the draft the last few years. But even not performing at 2009 level the team has really good players in Clark, Adams, A Jones, good players like Martinez, Linsley and Lowry and an intriguing player in Fackrell since 2014. No, not good. But even bad Ted Thompson was not a disaster that so many are claiming. And this trade stuff is so much BS as Thompson did make trades as has been recounted in multiple blogs. And as for free agency Thompson did not RELY on free agency but two of arguably the best FA signings in the last decade in terms of ROI are with Thompson in Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers. The demonizing of Thompson is pathetic and another indication that the franchise is off track. When Ron Wolf there was no hatchet job. When Sherman was dumped a hatchet job was certainly earned but did not happen. Thompson certainly had his flaws. Absolutely. But this garbage is not aligned with how the GB franchise has handled itself successfully for now almost 30 years. Bad, bad sign

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58 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dank067 // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:16pm

Well, I think a fair amount of the quotes about Thompson are coming from a few specific people who are no longer in Green Bay. I certainly still think it's revealing to see where some of the fault lines were within the organization and the fact that he stepped down after last season logically follows the tensions that were described.

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122 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Steve in WI // Dec 04, 2018 - 2:58pm

I kind of bristle at any comparison between a player of Rodgers's stature and an employee, because there is nothing about his relationship to the team that resembles a traditional employee-employer relationship as we commonly think of it. He is, by far, the most important person in that entire organization, and he is at a minimum among the top 10 people in the entire world right now at what he does. Outside of pro sports, there is no large company where a single employee - even at the highest levels - has a comparable level of importance. And even if the role itself held that kind of importance, it would be much easier to find a replacement.

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42 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by RBroPF // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:04pm

If Rodgers wanted to dictate a coaching change, the time to do that was when he was negotiating the largest contract in NFL history, barely more than 3 months ago. Any issues a player has with the organization are completely fair game in a contract negotiation. If he raised the issue then and the Packers refused to budge, then he shouldn't have signed the contract.

If you agree to get paid $134M you'd better be all in with the organizational situation you're committing yourself to. If Rodgers agreed to that contract and then undermined the coach and refused to play hard for him, that's completely inexcusable.

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44 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:31pm

I'd agree, if not for the Franchise Tag. As long as the CBA allows a team to retain rights to a player after contract expiration, I think it's ethical for a player to sign a multiyear deal, and then confront a coach he deems unacceptable. Now, if Rodgers never directly communicated his displeasure, that's a problem, because McCarthy deserves better, but people, like NFL owners,, who seek to retain contractual power after a contract expires, really deserve nothing, in terms of forthright communication. Eff them.

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47 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:56pm

It would seem the time most effective to negotiate team organization is immediately after they've irreversibly shackled their success to your contract. At that point, you have them over a barrel.

I would be sympathetic, but they drafted Rodgers, so the time to complain about imbalances in negotiating power have passed.

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108 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by herewegobrowniesherewego // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:36am

Well, the dynamics are also drastically different in the NBA; Magic at the time, but even more so LeBron, prime Kobe, MJ, etc. have much more power over their team situation than even Rodgers/P.Manning/Brady/etc.

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110 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 04, 2018 - 8:07am

The hard cap of tbe NFL, combined with the guaranteed money that top qbs are now getting, puts someone like Rodgers nearly on par with an NBA superstar, in terms of influence over who coaches the team. There is no over the cap avenue in the NFL.

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27 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ammek // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:56pm

Yes, feebly as the Packers played, Arizona did not look like a historically bad team on the road in a gale. Still, they're likely the worst road team to win in Wisconsin since one of those mid-1980s Tampa Bay minnows, which is a sad epitaph to McCarthy's tenure. Somewhat aptly it was three recurring issues under McCarthy – sloppy run defense, a last-ditch failure on special teams, and a glut of injuries – that doomed the Packers yesterday, again.

I don't really have an opinion about Rodgers' part in getting the coach fired, but I will note the parallels with the demise of his predecessor, Mike Sherman, who was allowed to stay on too long because his flaws had also been concealed by a great quarterback and a bounty of young roster talent inherited from the last drafts of a recently departed general manager.

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35 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:23pm

You mean that Sherman had leveraged the Wolf drafts while failing to build on them because of his own failures as GM, correct?

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46 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by techvet // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:42pm

Sherman was an awful GM. When he lost his GM title and didn't like it, he was launched by Ted Thompson and it was the best for all.

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50 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:13pm

Yup. Sherman drafts were as a whole abysmal.

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54 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dank067 // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:34pm

I remember thinking it was pretty funny when Ahmad Carroll got cut just 3 or 4 games into McCarthy's tenure. I wonder how he even made it out of training camp that year.

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53 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ammek // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:31pm

Yes, that's about what I meant re Sherman.

Ted Thompson's last couple of drafts are starting to look pretty good, rather than just a confusing collection of players named Adams and Jones.

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64 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by RickD // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:31pm

Thought 1: wonder who would be on a roster made entirely of players named Adams or Jones. Would have to have Bert Jones at QB. Deacon Jones would lead the defense. Julius Adams and Sam Adams could join him on the D-line.

Thought 2: what other combinations of names would make good teams? Johnson might be able to field a team all by itself.

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68 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:46pm

You could have a pretty good start on a defensive line with guys named White.

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80 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ammek // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:41pm

As long as there's a spot for Stylez G on the line I'm happy with that.

I think a Williams team could compete with the Johnsons. Minus a quarterback and kickers I think there might be enough Williams at the various positions to make a full line-up of active players.

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115 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:26pm

Buffalo tried this reasonably recently. It kinda worked out.

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77 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dcl0 // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:28pm

You could have an all colors teams with Whites, Browns, Green(e)s, Grays, and Blacks. Are there any football Blues, like cousins of Vada?

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79 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:35pm

Alfred Blue!

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82 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:42pm

Forrest Blue

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86 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Will Allen // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:54pm

If you go with a pseudo old English spelling of Green(e), you can have the greatest defensive line in history, with the Randy and Reggie Whites, and the Joe and Kevin Greenes. Jerome Brown would add depth.

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95 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:23pm

Good backfield, too, with Willie Brown and Darrell Green.

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83 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:45pm

Johnson, I think is the deepest name in NFL history.

Even the coaching staff (Bill, Jim, Jimmy) and ownership (Woody) are represented.

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93 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:20pm

If Team Johnson played Team Smith, who would win?

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96 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:35pm

The Smiths have a slight advantage in HOFers (Bruce, Emmitt, Jackie) over the Johnsons (Jimmy, John Henry)

After that, it's interesting:

QB:
Brad Johnson
Charley Johnson
Alex Smith

RB:
Jimmy Johnson (also a DB)
John Henry Johnson
Emmitt Smith

WR:
Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Chad Johnson
Keyshawn Johnson

Steve Smith
Jimmy Smith
Rod Smith

TE:
Jackie Smith

DL:
Too Tall Jones
Bruce Smith
Neil Smith
Justin Smith

LB:
Derrick Johnson
Pepper Johnson
Daryl Smith

DB:
Jimmy Johnson (also a RB)
Dennis Smith

The question will be whether either O-line can hold up long enough to get a quick pass out to their WRs, and whether the rushers will be able to murder the opposing QBs before their overwhelmed DBs get overrun.

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101 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 7:33pm

You're not going to force Team Johnson to play Rob Johnson? Not even every second game for inexplicable reasons??

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24 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by jtr // Dec 03, 2018 - 12:35pm

Roethlisberger has been pretty terrible this year about forcing the ball to covered receivers. I'm starting to become convinced that at this point in his career he's just an average QB who has the good fortune to play in one of the most talented offensive rosters in the NFL. I think he's gotten so used to AB and Smith-Schuster getting open that he often seems to just decide before the play who he's going to throw it to, and forces it in there, coverage be damned. The receivers are good enough to bail him out more often than not, but it also leads to a lot of costly mistakes. On that interception in the first half, he seemed to have just decided before the play that McDonald was going to be wide open, so he just lazily lobbed the ball up for a guy who was blanketed by an outstanding defender.

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31 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:07pm

Roethlisberger has been pretty terrible this year about forcing the ball to covered receivers. I'm starting to become convinced that at this point in his career he's just an average QB who has the good fortune to play in one of the most talented offensive rosters in the NFL.

It's always amusing to see what fans of historically-blessed franchises consider "average performance" to be.

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38 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by SlevinKelevra // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:34pm

It's also amusing to see what non-fans of historically blessed franchises see the Steelers ...

I saw a team decide they could cover Keenan Allen with their 2 slowest LBs for more than half the game.

Bad calls? Sure. Dumb throws? Sure. Pants-on-head defensive gameplan that a 4 year old could exploit? Sure.

I won't even get into the challenge... they're now 6 for 20 on those since the start of 2015... ?

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39 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by drobviousso // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:40pm

That 4th down challenge has to be the most infuriating thing I saw last night. Ben is getting older and his physical skills are declining. AB was on the cover of Madden so you have to expect a regression. Overworked RB's get hurt.

But what in holy hell is anyone thinking with those 4th down challenges?

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57 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:57pm

Belichick, this year, has somehow been lit up by Bortles, shut down by the Lions, and annihilated by the Titans.

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70 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:54pm

Could be that the Patriots on an overall talent basis aren't that great and rely on coaching schemes more than most top tier winning teams, and the coaching staff tried to go more plain vanilla on games they "should" win. (1)

Alternatively, NFL games contain a lot of randomness and it's difficult to win, especially on the road, against anybody.

(1) Footnote: I think the Pats took the Jags game very seriously, but stuck with a defensive game play of taking away the run and "forcing" Bortles to beat them. That's unusual, as Belichick is usually quick to change game schemes when they're not working. Perhaps Belichick was just playing the odds, and against the odds Bortles managed to avoid throwing interceptions that game and actually did beat them.

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84 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:47pm

So you agree that even a man on the shortlist of greatest coaches in NFL history can obstinately stick to a subpar strategy even in the face of repeated failure?

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107 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by theslothook // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:01am

Given how Bottles career and season have played out, I'd say it was the correct strategy. Sounds to me like Bottles picked the right time to not be Bottles.

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106 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by mrh // Dec 03, 2018 - 11:15pm

Well, there is an obvious reason why the Lions and Titans might give BB problems. Not sure why the other BB did though.

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63 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Scott Kacsmar // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:29pm

He said the ball slipped on the interception, which is why it came out funny. We have a "QB Release Slipped" in the charting file that only comes up a few times a season. For whatever reason, Roethlisberger always has a few of these plays every season.

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75 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ChrisS // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:06pm

It Sure did not look like a normal pass as it was underthrown by about 10 yards. On replay I expected to see his arm get hit before the pass and did not, so slipping makes sense.

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85 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:48pm

It seems like Roethlisberger plays in shittier-than-normal weather, though, too.

He's been in more than his share of monsoon games.

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116 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:30pm

Playing in the AFC Rust Belt will do that.

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40 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by ChrisS // Dec 03, 2018 - 1:42pm

There was a play where, I believe, Keenan Allen caught the ball near the sideline and came down on one foot and was pushed to the sideline and then dragged the same foot inbounds and was called OOB. I guess I never realized that two feet inbounds meant two different feet. At the extreme, a receiver could catch the ball and hop down the field and through the endzone and it would be incomplete? Perhaps the rule says both feet instead two and people have just conflated the words.

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49 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Jose21crisis // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:11pm

That was actually Antonio Brown. He sneaked into the space between the corner and safety in the Cover 2 and Ben hit him there (One of the few darts he's thrown this season). He got one foot in, but NEARLY gets the second foot, but ... looked like he raised it? Derwin James was there to blow him out of bounds, so he couldn't get the other foot inbounds. He did tapped his right foot twice in bounds, but I guess that doesn't count.

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59 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Drunken5yearold // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:16pm

I'm not sure why this is even a question, since we always refer to it as "getting both feet inbounds", not "getting two feet inbounds".

What I really want to know is, what would happen if a defense managed to keep a small wide receiver in the air and walk them over to dump them out of bounds. I suspect the refs would call it correctly but there would be some outrage about it. I have this vision though of two linebackers carrying a small wide receiver from the middle of the field to the sidelines ...

It's a little surprising that defensive backs don't seem to make this a priority when tackling guys going up for catches near the sidelines.

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62 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:25pm

"If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds."

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2018-nfl-rulebook/#article-3.-compl...

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65 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:44pm

A receiver catching the ball and hopping on one foot all the way into and through the end zone might be called incomplete, but would be awesome and I hope some day to see it.

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41 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by big10freak // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:00pm

Is there a trend chart that shows the number of offensive holding and DPI calls by week? Because it sure seems the last few seasons that the officials start calling fewer of these penalties as the season progresses

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43 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by RBroPF // Dec 03, 2018 - 2:10pm

Well it's interesting that you assume it's the officials who change over the course of the season and not the players. Wouldn't it make at least as much sense that players get better as the season progresses, including being better at not committing penalties?

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48 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by theslothook // Dec 03, 2018 - 3:08pm

That's a reasonable hypothesis. However, there are also more injuries accumulating during the season, so that should push up the flag count due to backups not being familiar.

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67 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:46pm

If two variables may be changing at the same time, we'll never be able to make the conclusive statements that feed the sports media.

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98 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by gomer_rs // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:44pm

Considering that defenders must play at least decent defense, generally, to get DPI, Holding, or Illegal contact... the decline as the year goes on may be... injuries on the defensive side of the ball as backups aren't able to run with the WRs they're facing.
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I remember when they were the Sea-chickens.

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99 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by theslothook // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:48pm

Remember there are also injuries to wide receivers. that may be a good project to see if replacements on one unit are balanced out by replacements in another or is it truly harder to find acceptable corners versus acceptable receivers.

one example would be the difference between a backup quarterback and a backup running back.

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109 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by gomer_rs // Dec 04, 2018 - 4:25am

I expect that because the offense has the ability to choose how and where to attack that injuries between WRs and DBs are asymmetric. Additionally, I anticipate more DB injuries then WR injuries as DBs tend to play a greater percentage of their unit snaps then a given WR.
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I remember when they were the Sea-chickens.

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71 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by morganja // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:55pm

What are the odds that the Packers trade four first round picks to the Oakland Raiders to obtain Jon Gruden and his $90+ million guaranteed contract?

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78 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dcl0 // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:34pm

Maybe they should trade Rodgers for a bunch of picks and start serious rebuilding. He is 35 and really hasn’t been spectacular for a couple of years. They could take the enormous cap hit from the trade while having mostly rookie contracts. New team could give more picks because Rodgers would be relatively cheap with Green Bay picking up a lot of his cap hit.

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88 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:05pm

Imagine trying to sell that to fans, though. The Colts pulled it off, but the Packers aren't going to get such a perfect situation

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94 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by dbt // Dec 03, 2018 - 6:23pm

Agreed. It's hard to do that transition when you have the up and comer (see Montana, Favre, etc) but to do it just to try to get a third generational talent at QB seems bad.

If you want to trade him to Chicago, though...

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105 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 03, 2018 - 8:33pm

Ha! After the hell they put Favre through to keep him out of Minnesota for a year…

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117 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:33pm

Oh, come on, the Jets weren't *that* bad...

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102 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Lost Ti-Cats Fan // Dec 03, 2018 - 7:36pm

Kraft punted, but I bet Belichick wanted to go this route with NE and got overruled.

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113 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by PatsFan // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:02pm

I agree, but he didn't get overruled this year (despite all the media speculation). He actually got overruled in whatever year it was that Brady's contract was extended from expiring in 2017 to expiring in 2020, with cap hits that made him uncuttable/untradeable before 2019. That was when Garopollo's fate was sealed.

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72 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Cythammer // Dec 03, 2018 - 5:01pm

"Plenty of room in the pocket, start running around. A few jukes make it look like a Russell Wilson impression, and he breaks free and moves into open space. And then ... the big-armed quarterback who can make any throw ... throws a duck 10 yards short of a WIDE-OPEN Charles Clay. All caps isn't even enough emphasis there. Clay was standing there all alone in the end zone. He was uncovered where he stood and uncovered for many yards in every direction."

I don't understand placing the blame on Allen for that failed play at all. It was a bad wobbling pass, but Clay was completely wide open and had plenty of time to adjust. He could very easily have come out entirely out of the endzone to make the catch. Even the way he approached the play he still should've caught the ball.

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118 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 04, 2018 - 12:38pm

Plus that was over 50 yards worth of throw off his back foot. (He should have reset his platform - he actually probably had time - but, hey, rookie QB.) Clay just stood there and watched it when he should have come back to it.

That doesn't fit the "Allen is terrible and never does anything good with his arm" narrative, though.

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119 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Sifter // Dec 04, 2018 - 1:21pm

Just wanted to jump on and back up Schatz and Bernreuther in their comments about the end of the Vikings game. It's been a while since I've seen such a bad play as that 4th and 11 pass to Treadwell. Cousins seriously took a 2 step drop, planted and threw - great when you need 2 yards, but when you need 11? Oh Kirk...just utter stupidity.

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127 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 13

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 04, 2018 - 5:22pm

Exactly! As I said in the game thread, taking a sack would have been preferable, because at least then they'd have been trying!

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