Audibles at the Line

Unfiltered in-game observations by Football Outsiders staff

Audibles at the Line: Week 17

compiled by Andrew Potter

Each Sunday, the FO staff sends around emails about the games that each of us are watching. We share information about the games that the rest of the group might not be watching, ask questions, and keep everyone else informed about which games they might want to tune into (if they can).

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Carolina Panthers 33 at New Orleans Saints 14

Vince Verhei: Your starting quarterbacks today are Kyle Allen and Teddy Bridgewater. Bridgewater, I assume you're familiar with. Allen had an intriguing collegiate career. He was teammates with Kyler Murray at Texas A&M in 2015, but both ended up transferring. Things worked out better for Murray at Oklahoma (until yesterday, anyway) than they did for Allen at Houston -- he was benched after four games in 2017, then made the bizarre decision to declare for the draft. Shockingly, the guy who failed at two schools went undrafted, and he spent most of his rookie year on Carolina's practice squad before throwing four passes last week in relief of Taylor Heinicke.

There's a book waiting to be written about obscure Week 17 NFL starters. Allen would likely get his own chapter.

Aaron Schatz: The Saints have given up 20 points to Kyle Allen and the Panthers through the first half. I'm not watching this game but I'll note that it looks like the Saints are playing mostly starters on defense. The top tacklers today are all starters: Marcus Williams, A.J. Klein, Demario Davis. I'm told on Twitter that Cameron Jordan isn't playing much. But still, I know this is a meaningless game but it has to be a bit worrying for the Saints to have Kyle Allen throwing the ball all over the field on them after their defense gave up 28 to the Steelers last week.

Vince Verhei: Panthers kick a field goal on fourth-and-goal on the last play of the half to go up 23-0. If anything it's worse than it sounds -- the Panthers have three touchdowns and a field goal on four drives, and those drives have covered 75, 89, 90, and 66 yards. They've converted five-of-seven third downs, and they're also one-for-one on fourth downs. Allen is 13-of-21 for 173 yards with one touchdown passing and another rushing. He has thrown no interceptions and taken no sacks, and the Saints have only broken up one pass. The closest the Saints have come to stopping him was what appeared to be a sack-fumble and recovery, but it was reversed to an incompletion on instant replay.

Now, none of this is good news for the Saints, but I'm taking it with an entire shaker of salt myself -- the Saints have nothing to gain today, while many of the Panthers (most notably Allen) are playing for jobs in 2019.

Bridgewater has been quiet -- 7-of-10 for 56 yards with a pair of sacks. He has also run for a pair of first downs, which is good news for the state of his leg. But on New Orleans' best scoring chance, his fourth-and-goal pass to Tre'Quan Smith in the corner of the end zone was underthrown and tipped away.

Curtis Samuel gets a step behind double-coverage, and Allen throws an absolute dime for what is ruled a 50-plus-yard touchdown. They're reviewing the play and Samuel may have been down at the 1, but either way, there was nothing wrong with New Orleans' defense on that play -- that was just a studly throw.

Call stands. Touchdown Carolina and a 30-0 lead.

Teddy Bridgewater throws his first touchdown pass since 2015, a 9-yarder to Smith. That's just the 29th career touchdown pass for Bridgewater -- I know he has hardly played in the past three years, but that's still way fewer than I would have guessed.

So we have already seen Kyle Allen, Teddy Bridgewater, and Taysom Hill, and now we have the backup grand slam as Garrett Gilbert has taken over for Carolina. They're checking Allen's arm or shoulder on the sideline.

Miami Dolphins 17 at Buffalo Bills 42

Bryan Knowles: This game is technically not meaningless; the Texans could end up in a tie with the Chiefs for seeding for the bye (or, theoretically, the No. 3 seed), and it would go down to strength of victory. The Texans beat the Bills back in October, so Josh Allen's rushing touchdown (yet another one -- guy should consider moving to running back) actually helps Houston, theoretically.

… hey, with seven early games and only two of them involving teams trying to finalize playoff position, we've got to come up with SOME reason to look at these other match-ups. Bills-Dolphins and Giants-Cowboys are technically, mildly relevant, as the NFL has taken most of the actual meaningful games and sent them into the late slot.

Ryan Tannehill now has two interceptions in the first quarter, as the Bills threaten to take a three-score lead in the first quarter. There is some talk that this could be Tannehill's last game in a Dolphins uniform; he'll cost $26.6 million against the cap next season and just hasn't played like the top-six quarterback that salary would imply. The way his contract is structured, however, a straight cut would probably not be the wisest choice of action; they'd free up about $13 million in cap space, but get an equal amount of dead money. A post-June 1 designation probably makes more sense for the Dolphins, even if it means Tannehill's fate will hang in the air for a few more months, at least.

I suspect that Tannehill has not thrown his last interception in a Dolphins uniform. After all, there are still three quarters left.

Scott Kacsmar: Stephen Hauschka came up short on a 42-yard field goal. Didn't think that was possible, and it didn't look like a partial block or anything like that. It reminded me of Ben Wallace air-balling a free throw short of the rim.

Vince Verhei: Josh Allen is up to 97 rushing yards midway through the fourth quarter. Barring kneeldowns, it's going to be his fourth 90-plus-yard rushing game in his last six starts.

Michael Vick never had four 90-yard rushing games in a single season.

New York Giants 35 at Dallas Cowboys 36

Vince Verhei: In what might be his last game with the Giants, Eli Manning has a pair of turnovers -- a bad interception (caught by Chidobe Awuzie) thrown into double coverage in the red zone, and another interception when Demarcus Lawrence hit him mid-pass and Antwaun Woods reeled it in. That second play will probably be changed to a sack-fumble, but that's just semantics -- the ball never hit the ground, so call it whatever you want.

Meanwhile, Brett Maher missed a 34-yard field goal for Dallas, and we're still scoreless.

Red zone struggles have been a big part of Dallas' season, but they may have found a scoring weapon: Blake Jarwin had no touchdowns coming into the day, but he has two today on gains of 13 and 19 yards. But that may say more about the Giants defense -- on both plays, they dropped two safeties deep, and Jarwin just split the difference. Neither catch was especially difficult.

Right before halftime, Manning redeemed himself with a beautiful rainbow of a touchdown pass, dropping it into the bucket for Cody Latimer down the left sideline. One of those plays where he still looks like he can be a winning quarterback in the NFL, but those are the exception these days, not the norm.

Note that Byron Jones has great coverage for Dallas, but Manning's throw is perfect, and Latimer finishes with a fine one-handed catch.

Bryan Knowles: Can anyone come up with a rational reason why Dak Prescott is still in this football game? I can understand (though not agree with) the starters playing for a quarter or a half, to keep them in a regular rhythm and avoid the chance of rust entering their game next week. But the Cowboys are the No. 4 seed. They'll be the No. 4 seed no matter what. Why on earth would you expose your quarterback in a meaningless game? We've already seen starters get hurt today (Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, three different starters in New Orleans, though I think they were all minor); why is Prescott out there taking sacks in the third quarter?

Vince Verhei: Xavier Su'a-Filo has left the game with injury, so they've got Prescott out there throwing fourth-down passes behind several backup linemen (Tyron Smith is also out today).

But then he hits Jarwin for a third-down conversion, and the Giants' entire secondary makes a series of business decisions, and Jarwin takes it all the way for a 39-yard score.

Dave Bernreuther: Sebastian Janikowski's business decision tackle attempt last week was still a better effort than No. 35 of the Giants on Blake Jarwin's touchdown just now.

I'm not even going to bother to learn his name because after that, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow. Wow.

Bryan Knowles: That would be 16-game starter Curtis Riley on the el matador play there, Dave. He's one of the best options the Giants have at safety, which kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

Vince Verhei: And suddenly we have a shootout. Saquon Barkley breaks free for a 68-yard run on second-and-20, which sets up Manning's second touchdown of the day, this one to Evan Engram. They go for two, and after a penalty on Awuzie, Manning hits Engram for the conversion. Dallas still leads 21-18.

It occurs to me that if Manning wins today, he'll hurt New York's draft position, making it more difficult for them to draft his replacement and possibly saving his job for one more season.

We've been wondering why Dak Prescott was in the game, and Dallas' last drive ended when he was sacked. Now on New York's next drive, Leighton Vander Esch is down and they're checking his leg. He leaves under his own power, but there's no reason for the stars to be out there.

Jeff Heath does not count as one of those stars -- he got stiff-armed on the long Barkley run, and now he misses a tackle on Engram, who gets free for a 51-yard gain, as the tight ends are running wild today. Wayne Gallman finishes with a goal-line touchdown run, and the Giants take a 25-21 lead.

And yes, Prescott is still at quarterback for Dallas on the ensuing drive. This is lunacy.

Scott Kacsmar: If Dallas has gone with starters this long, they might as well finish the game off. It makes less sense to me why Tom Brady is still out there throwing with a 25-point lead in the fourth quarter. He took a sack too. He did get to 6,000 completions, but I can't imagine getting that today was on anyone's mind.

Bryan Knowles: At least the Patriots had things to play for. I agree that Brady probably should be out by this point, but their game actually mattered; the Cowboys could have started the people in this group chat and had no effect on their situation.

My oh my, what a catch. Facing fourth-and-15, down seven, Dak Prescott hits a diving Cole Beasley in the back of the end zone. It's called incomplete on the field, but his knee JUST scrapes the end zone. An exceptional touchdown -- and now they're going for two and the win rather than risking overtime.

Vince Verhei: A pair of incredible touchdowns in the fourth quarter. First, Saquon Barkley scores on a 2-yard run, which doesn't sound like much -- but he actually left his feet at the 3-yard line and was still flying high when the ball crossed the plane. It got knocked out of his hands a few inches later, and Dallas picked it up and might have scored, but the whistles blew the play dead, and replays confirm it was a touchdown anyway.

Then down by two minutes inside the two-minute warning, the Cowboys have a fourth-and-15 at the 32, down seven. Prescott scrambles and finds Cole Beasley in the back of the end zone for the score, but Beasley was out of bounds. OR WAS HE? Replay shows he got a knee down in the end zone and completed the catch, and they correctly rule it a touchdown. Overtime is the absolute worst result for Dallas, so they go for two and get it on a completion to Michael Gallup. Giants will have a little more than a minute and two timeouts to get a winning field goal.

Manning ends the game -- and maybe his Giants tenure -- with four straight incompletions.

We didn't mention this yet: Barkley finishes with four catches today and 91 on the season, breaking Reggie Bush's record for rookie running backs.

Bryan Knowles: A taunting penalty on the Cowboys means the Giants get the ball with great field position, out at midfield ... and can't do a dang thing with it. Cowboys end up winning a meaningless game...

... for them. A meaningless game for them. It's huge for the No. 1 draft pick, because it clinches the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker for the 49ers. So, the no. 1 overall pick will go to:

  • The Cardinals, if the Cardinals lose.
  • The 49ers, if the Cardinals win and the 49ers lose.
  • The Jets, if both the Cardinals and 49ers win.

Detroit Lions 31 at Green Bay Packers 0

Bryan Knowles: The bad part about Week 17 is all the meaningless games. The good part about Week 17 is the teams deciding "screw it" and opening up the backs of their playbooks. The Lions just ran a fake field goal, with Matt Prater throwing a touchdown pass to Levine Toilolo, and then adding his own extra point. Give me more wacky plays, meaningless football game!

Scott Kacsmar: I have no idea how Pat McAfee has been calling this game, but he lost his mind calling the fake field goal touchdown. It was like listening to Jesse Ventura calling a 1980s WWF match, and that's not a bad thing. I'd like to hear McAfee call a meaningful game next season if he can deliver some excitement throughout the broadcast. Going to need to manufacture some enthusiasm in this matchup today. The Packers don't look like they care.

Bryan Knowles: The other bad part about Week 17 is all the meaningful injuries in meaningless games. Aaron Rodgers has gone to the locker room to be evaluated for a concussion. Why, oh, why, was Rodgers playing in this one? He's been banged up enough this year...

Vince Verhei: Now that he's free of Hue Jackson, maybe we'll get to see what DeShone Kizer can really do.

(Kizer floats in the pocket, bounces into pressure, throws an awkward pass off his back foot that should have been intercepted.)

I guess that's what Kizer can really do.

DeShone Kizer should have stayed in school in 2017, and he really should still be in school in 2018. He's getting dragged down by one defender with two more closing in, and he decides to throw the ball straight up to a receiver. It's an easy interception for the Lions. It's a 31-0 game, so who cares, but he's finishing his second pro season and still doesn't look ready for the NFL.

New York Jets 3 at New England Patriots 38

Aaron Schatz: After a Jets fumble, the Patriots got the ball at the Jets 8. They lose 10 yards on a holding call, and you think Brady's throwing the ball away on third-and-goal from the 18, but the Patriots get new life after Henry Anderson pushes Brady down with a late hit -- pretty minor, but anything late like that is always going to get roughing the passer. Brady airmailed a sure touchdown to a wide open Chris Hogan before the roughing call extended the drive, then airmailed another sure touchdown to a slightly-more-covered Hogan after the roughing call, but gets away with the bad throws when he finds Philip Dorsett for a 9-yard touchdown on (the second) third-and-goal.

Brady is throwing the ball downfield much better than last week. Last week he only attempted two passes over 10 air yards and missed both of them. This week he's already got two deep completions (each of 18 air yards). But those airmailed throws to Hogan are still a bit worrying.

Otherwise, the big story is probably that the Patriots run defense has been stalwart (six carries for 14 yards by Elijah McGuire, plus that fumble). The Jets run defense has been surprisingly strong also except for one huge 21-yard carry by James White.

Bryan Knowles: Every (relevant) game is at the half, and there's just not much drama so far -- by design, sure, but still. A bit of a snoozefest. Sitting on a 21-3 halftime lead, I think we can be fairly certain that the Patriots will earn that first-round bye and keep the faint hopes alive for yet another home-field advantage -- I've seen nothing that would indicate that the Jets could score 21 points all day, much less 21 points while blanking the Pats in the second half. With the Texans also sitting on a comfortable (albeit smaller) lead at the moment, any real drama possibilities we had in this early window are pretty much shot. Ah well.

Vince Verhei: Six of the seven early games today saw at least one team score seven points or less in the first half. The Packers and Saints were both shut out. So yeah, not a ton going on.

Bryan Knowles: The most significant thing in this early window? The Jets are stepping closer to a top-two draft pick. To beat out the 49ers (assuming the Rams handle San Francisco later today), the Jets need to lose (check!) and then get three wins by the Giants, Buccaneers, Ravens, and Chargers. The Bucs are up 10 at the moment, the Giants are in one of the two competitive games, and the Ravens and Chargers are favored later today.

T-A-N-K TANK TANK TANK.

Aaron Schatz: Sam Darnold has thrown a couple of sideline passes this week that were absolute dimes, the kind of throws they talk about when they say a quarterback "can make all the throws." But the Jets have to work on this weird thing in their offense where they keep having passes where a receiver in front leaps up for a ball that was actually intended for a receiver right behind him.

Jacksonville Jaguars 3 at Houston Texans 20

Tom Gower: Blake Bortles is bad. The Texans, needing a win to clinch the division and avoid potentially falling to the No. 6 seed, are trying. One Texans punt muff, when the punt returner was contacted by a Jaguars player ruled to have been blocked into him, let the Jaguars start in goal-to-go. That's why they have three points to Houston's 17 through 30 minutes despite gaining a net 26 yards in six non-kneeldown possessions.

Houston and Jacksonville played 30 more minutes of football after that, which was notable for Bill O'Brien emptying out his playbook to get as many different looks as possible in film for playoff opponents to think about, many of them featuring Deshaun Watson's mobility as a threat or integral part of the play. There's no reason to care about any of the rest of it.

Atlanta Falcons 34 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 32

Bryan Knowles: We have the second Philly Special of the day.l Mohamed Sanu just hit Matt Ryan in the corner of the end zone, joining Ryan Tannehill's touchdown from earlier.

Of course, all these trick plays are just whetting our appetites for the Michael Dickson drop-kick field goal attempt in the Seahawks game ... right? Right? Please, Pete...

Arizona Cardinals 24 at Seattle Seahawks 27

Vince Verhei: Some pre-game notes. Here's what's at stake today:

  • A Seattle win clinches the fifth seed for them, and the top draft pick for the Cardinals.
  • A bad game for Josh Rosen puts him underneath the -1,000-DYAR threshold.
  • If Rashaad Penny gets 19 carries today, Seattle will have one running back with 200 carries and two others with 100. They'd be the first team to do that since the Ravens in 2008 (Joe Flacco's rookie year). Before that, you'd have to go back to Joe Gibbs' Washington team in 1989.
  • We're all hoping Michael Dickson will get to drop-kick for points, the first time anyone has done that since Doug Flutie in 2005, and only the second time since World War II.

Germain Ifedi, who started at right tackle for the first 14 weeks before missing the Kansas City game, returns to the starting lineup, but at right guard, ahead of D.J. Fluker, who is active today but coming off the bench. George Fant, who was a sixth lineman/giant tight end for most of the season, starts at right tackle for the second straight week.

Seahawks force a three-and-out, and their first drive crosses midfield. But on third down, they run the Super Bowl goal-line play, with the slot receiver intended to clear space for the outside man. And it has similar results -- space is not cleared, and David Amerson outmuscles David Moore for the interception. He returns it deep into Seattle territory. The Cardinals can't do much from there, and Zane Gonzalez hits a 36-yarder to put Arizona up 3-0.

Everyone's going for it on fourth-and-1 today! The Cardinals try it near midfield, but instead of handing off to David Johnson, a good player, they count on Rosen, a bad player. He's under pressure right away, and though he escapes, his pass to Larry Fitzgerald is way off target. Cardinals want a flag on Seattle, but they're not going to bail out an offense on fourth down on a terrible throw like that (except in the Steelers-Saints game last week). Seahawks take over on Arizona's side of the 50.

Carl Yedor: Seahawks go three-and-out on the ensuing drive. Not an ideal offensive start for them, but they've already converted more third downs than they did in their first game against Arizona, when they went 0-for-10. Despite that, they managed to win that one 20-17. However, winning against Arizona hasn't been Seattle's problem in years past. The only year they managed to beat Bruce Arians at home was in 2014, when Arizona was down a quarterback. Arizona was responsible for Russell Wilson's first career home loss, and they won close games at CenturyLink Field in 2013, 2015, 2016, and 2017.

We'll see if that streak continues, but today seems like a great case of competing incentives. For the future of the franchise, Arizona should want to lose this game to wrap up the No. 1 overall pick. However, Steve Wilks may need a win today to keep his job longer than just one season. Arizona's struggles this season have largely been due to the offense being abysmal, and it would be tough for any NFL team to survive losing its entire projected offensive line. But they've been historically bad thus far.

Bryan Knowles: Suggestion to the Cardinals defense: have someone, literally anyone cover Tyler Lockett. Confusion in the secondary means the Cardinals let two receivers get past the defense, and it's an easy pitch and catch for a Seattle touchdown. Cardinals back into the No. 1 draft slot for the moment.

Vince Verhei: Seattle's first four passes go to Moore, Jaron Brown, and Nick Vannett, and I'm wondering where Tyler Lockett is. Apparently the Cardinals can't find him either, because he's behind all of them, with no defenders in sight, for an easy touchdown and a 7-3 Seattle lead.

I forgot to mention this before the game: Lockett needs a good game to set the single-season record for wide receiver DVOA. So far, so good!

I also forgot to mention this before the game, but Seattle had a chance to tie the record for fewest turnovers in a season. It's irrelevant now after Wilson's first-quarter interception. But they can force turnovers too -- Jacob Martin beats ... whoever Arizona's backup left tackle is today for the sack-fumble, and Frank Clark recovers. A holding call puts Seattle in first-and-20, but then they reel off a 10-yard Chris Carson run, 10-yard Doug Baldwin catch, 17-yard Baldwin catch, and finally a 7-yard Carson touchdown for a 14-3 lead.

On third-and-long, Arizona sends a pair of defensive backs on a blitz. Mike Davis seems confused as to his assignment, and ends up blocking Antoine Bethea into Wilson for the sack. The Cardinals then partially block Michael Dickson's punt and take over at about the Seattle 30. I'm thinking it would have been better for Seattle if the punt had just been blocked out of the end zone for a safety, and it turns out that way. Rosen executes a gorgeous play-fake that completely fools journeyman corner Akeem King, in for a banged-up Shaquill Griffin. King has been in the NFL since 2015 -- he should know by now that his job is to cover Larry Fitzgerald, not bite on play-fakes. Regardless, Fitzgerald is free in the end zone. Rosen still almost overthrows him, but Fitzgerald stretches out and grabs it for the score. Seahawks now lead 14-10.

Seattle goes three-and-out on another third-down sack. Dickson's punt is almost blocked again, but no matter -- Pharoh Cooper returns the punt 45 yards to the Seattle 21. Special teams are murdering Seattle today.

Cards go three-and-out, but Gonzalez hits from 50, and the lead is cut to 14-13. Another big special teams play for the Cardinals.

For the third straight drive, Wilson is sacked on third down. At least the punt works out decently this time, but the Cardinals still drive into field goal range. But with a third-and-5 at the 30 and no timeouts left, Rosen holds the ball and takes a sack, and the half ends.

So it's 14-13, and the numbers are that close up and down the box score. Seattle leads 7-6 in first downs and 108-105 in total yards. Cardinals have the edge in special teams, but Seattle is making up for that with good defense in (and just outside of) the red zone.

Seattle beat the best team in the league last week, but they may well lose to the worst team in the league today -- and still win the fifth seed and a trip to Dallas next week.

Carl Yedor: The longest scoring drive for either team is 47 yards, and there have been five of them in total. Arizona has two field goals on drives of 11 and -11 yards. Ugly offense today. Seattle is starting some backups on the offensive line, and Arizona (as mentioned earlier) has been starting backups all year. A long punt return, a partially blocked punt, and an interception in plus territory set up Arizona's scores. A sack-fumble and a failed fourth down at midfield set up Seattle's. Not great.

Vince Verhei: Doug Baldwin can't come down with back-to-back catchable balls, and then Wilson is sacked on third down. Do a shot!

Hell of a turn of events here. Another big Arizona special teams play sees a punt downed inside the 5. On third down, Wilson is sacked and fumbles, and Arizona recovers the ball and returns it for a go-ahead touchdown -- but the play is wiped out by a defensive holding penalty. Next play, Carson breaks free for a 61-yard run to the right side. Two snaps later, the same side of Arizona's defense caves in again, and Davis is untouched on a 17-yard touchdown run for a 21-13 lead. That's a five-play, 98-yard drive with one completion for 11 yards.

I am not making this up: the Cardinals just blocked Dickson's punt AGAIN. And this one was recovered for a touchdown. Cards go for two, and Johnson runs it in. We're tied at 21 with a whole quarter to go.

Rosen suffers his fifth sack and second fumble, this time by Frank Clark. Seahawks recover.

Seattle gets one first down, but on the next third down, Wilson suffers his sixth sack, this one split by Zach Moore and Corey Peters. Sebastian Janikowski's field goal snakes through for a 24-21 lead. One of the rare times a kick has gone Seattle's way today.

Third-and-12, Rosen makes his best throw of the day, a strike to Trent Sherfield that should have been a first-and-goal -- but Sherfield drops the ball. With 12 yards to go, the Cards have to try the field goal -- and Gonzalez hits from 55 to tie the game at 24. Seahawks have 1:54 and two timeouts left, so plenty of time to get the winning field goal, but there's no guarantee they've got what it takes to get there today.

Tyler Lockett has been invisible since his touchdown, but like Brigadoon he finally reappears, getting clear for a 37-yard catch to the Arizona 25. His two targets today resulted in two catches for 66 yards and a touchdown, so I'd imagine the DVOA record is his.

From there, Carson muscled his way to a first down at the 12. Wilson took one knee to center the ball, and Janikowski hit the 33-yard field goal for the 27-24 win.

What an ugly, uncomfortable, discouraging, and ultimately pointless victory.

Carl Yedor: Wilson responds with a drive to get them in field goal range, and Janikowski hits the game winner. Ended up not meaning anything due to the combination of results from the Vikings and Eagles, but it does guarantee Arizona the No. 1 pick.

Cleveland Browns 24 at Baltimore Ravens 26

Vince Verhei: Ravens have a fourth-and-1 near midfield on their opening drive in a must-win game. The best short-yardage weapon in football is a mobile quarterback, and Lamar Jackson keeps it around right end for the conversion. It leads to a field goal and a 3-0 lead.

Aaron Schatz: The Browns are stuffing as many defenders into the box as they can. They know how important the run is to the Baltimore offense and they are determined not to let Gus Edwards just go up the middle on them over and over. They're covering any receivers one-on-one without safety help so they can do everything to stop the run, daring Jackson to throw to beat them.

Bryan Knowles: Baker Mayfield taketh away, and Baker Mayfield giveth. He has thrown four passes so far, including an interception, an incomplete pass, a 66-yard bomb and a 28-yard touchdown pass. It's certainly not boring, at the very least!

The Browns take a 7-3 lead, sliding Pittsburgh back into the No. 4 seed at the moment as they stay in a scoreless game against Cincinnati.

I am kind of all-in on Lamar Jackson-Baker Mayfield battles for the foreseeable future in the AFC North. That has the potential to be a lot of fun. Jackson already has 51 yards -- that is, 51 yards passing and 51 yards rushing. That answers Mayfield's bombs, and the Ravens retake the lead in both the game and the division. Back-and-forth we go.

Aaron Schatz: The Browns went away from playing bear front, everyone-in-the-box defense, and the Ravens just gashed them on their last drive. Kenneth Dixon, 15 yards. Gus Edwards, 24 yards. Dixon, 20 yards. Lamar Jackson 8-yard touchdown on a read option. Now it's 17-7 Ravens, one play into the second quarter.

Dave Bernreuther: Well this is interesting. Like me, the refs thought Lamar Jackson easily got over the plane before pulling the ball back, at which point he fumbled, but we figured it didn't matter. The ruling on the field was touchdown, so the Browns cavalry, which had an easy fumble-six, stopped running.

Except Jackson pulled it back early. And the fumble did matter. And while there was a clear recovery, there should also have been a clear touchdown the other way. And there isn't.

Somehow this Miami bar that is usually a Patriots bar is packed full of Steelers fans, and I am afraid for my life just for being here. Gulp.

Aaron Schatz: Browns just got HOSED out of a 99-yard fumble return touchdown. Ravens with third-and-goal on the 1, Lamar Jackson reaches the ball toward the goal line, then has it slapped out of his hands. Jabril Peppers recovers the fumble and is on his way to a touchdown, but the officials blow the play dead and say that Jackson got the ball over the line for a Ravens touchdown.

On review, he clearly did not. So they overturn the call, but the Browns get the ball on their own 7 because of the whistle.

To add insult to insult, Baker Mayfield then hits Jarvis Landry almost perfectly, wide open, what should have been a 93-yard receiving touchdown, but it was about 6 inches too short and bounced off Jarvis Landry's helmet instead of getting him in the hands.

Bryan Knowles: Oh, the Browns nearly had a great series to end the half. Baker Mayfield did an amazing job of extending a play and dodging pressure -- it looked like he wanted to throw the ball seven or eight times before finally finding Higgins 40 yards downfield on the edge of field goal range. I think he survived in the pocket for 10 seconds or so, though that might be a slight exaggeration. Of course, Joseph missed the ensuing 46-yard field goal, so it's a 20-7 Ravens lead at the half.

Had Lamar Jackson's plunge been good, I think the AFC North would be locked up for the Ravens right now -- it's still probably Baltimore's, what with a 13-point lead and the Steelers losing into Cincinnati, but at least it's theoretically in play. It's a rung behind the two NFC wild-card slots and the No. 1 draft pick as the interesting things to watch here in the second halves of the late games; the bye weeks are all more or less locked up barring something absolutely astonishing.

Tom Gower: The Browns are 21st in run defense DVOA coming into today and have had a ton of trouble matching up to what the Ravens are doing on offense. I don't know what they're missing, exactly, but they've gotten just gashed on some plays. Baker Mayfield, well, you've seen a lot with him. The big plays in both directions. The big missed call, which at the time from the TV broadcast angle I thought was a good touchdown, too, but obviously on replay was not. Entertaining first 30 minutes, and competitive even with the Browns missing the field goal at the end.

Vince Verhei: This is awesome -- Cleveland faked a SHOVeLL for a touchdown.

Dave Bernreuther: We're going to need a gif on that "holding" call that cost Lamar Jackson his third touchdown run. Good lord.

Rob Weintraub: Jabrill Peppers goes for the kill shot on Lamar and winds up knocking out his own guy, Larry Ogunjobi. All the talk is of how running quarterbacks get hurt but they also cause stress on defenses in myriad ways, including friendly-fire injuries like this one.

Obvious bad spot gifts the Ravens a key first down, and Gregg "I got a dozen head coaching offers" Williams fails to challenge. Baltimore driving to punch in a touchdown as a result.

Aaron Schatz: Ravens' passing game is very tight end-centric now. The top two receivers for the day so far are the two rookie tight ends, Mark Andrews and Hayden Hurst. Browns were No. 7 in DVOA against tight ends coming into today but faced a lot of targets to tight ends -- 9.3 per game, most in the league.

Browns trying to come back from a 23-14 deficit, Baker Mayfield hits David Njoku in the end zone and he pins the ball to his hip. Refs call it incomplete, but it looks like it may be a catch. Should Gregg Williams challenge and risk losing a timeout he might need later? Strangely, he chooses to straight out take a timeout and not challenge the play. If you're going to lose the timeout, you might as well challenge. It proves to be somewhat moot the next play, as Mayfield hits Antonio Callaway on a slant for the touchdown, making it 23-21 and giving Mayfield the all-time rookie record with 27 passing touchdowns, passing Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson's rookie years.

Rob Weintraub: Third down and the Ravens go with an option pitch that gets fumbled, recovered by Baltimore, but they are about to punt. In other words, it's happening all over again for the Ravens...

Yep, Cincy just lost, so there you are.

Of course we are now on the second review of a spectacular Browns catch, just to torture the Ravens fans a little more.

Of course one of those spectacular grabs was made by Breshad Perriman, who busted out in Baltimore.

Vince Verhei: The Steelers fans in this bar are going nuts and chanting Baker Mayfield's name right now.

Rob Weintraub: Fourth-and-long, playoffs on the line for the Ravens defense again! Just like we had it in the Almanac!

And C.J. Mosley intercepts! Ravens in, Steelers out, redemption!

To clarify, here was the last line of the Ravens essay in FOA 2018

Deep in his or her heart, any Ravens fan would probably sign up right now for the following: final game of the season, playoff spot on the line, at home, defense on the field, fourth-and-long for the opponent. Surely they can't give it up twice in a row, right?

That's some next-level prognostication right there!

Also it clearly settles the argument that Andy Dalton > Baker Mayfield...

Aaron Schatz: Bad news for all those Steelers fans. The Ravens won't be kicked out of the playoffs with a Week 17 loss again. They stop the Browns at the Baltimore 39 on four straight pass plays. Cleveland decides to go for fourth-and-10 rather than trying a game-winning field goal from 57 yards, and Mayfield throws an interception under heavy pressure. Ravens-Chargers II next week.

If the officials had not blown that fumble return dead, the Browns probably win and the Steelers are in the playoffs. Brutal.

San Francisco 49ers 32 at Los Angeles Rams 48

Bryan Knowles: The 49ers are playing like they are aware that they are in a fight for the top draft pick. Their first two drives -- heck, their first seven plays -- saw two turnovers: a Kyle Juszcyzk fumble and a really bad Nick Mullens interception. The Rams scored on the first, and are about to score on the second. Combined with the Cardinals' field goal, the 49ers slide into the No. 1 draft slot for now...

Nick Mullens just threw a touchdown pass! Unfortunately for him, it was to Cory Littleton rather than, you know, one of his receivers. It's a 21-3 lead for the 49ers, and the Bay Area teams have conspired to make sure that there was nothing interesting going on in the race for bye weeks this week.

Rob Weintraub: Massive injury hit if it's serious: Andrew Whitworth limped to the locker room with an apparent knee injury. Big trouble for the Rams if....

Bryan Knowles: George Kittle just broke the single-season record for receiving yards by a tight end ... set earlier today by Travis Kelce.

Cincinnati Bengals 13 at Pittsburgh Steelers 16

Scott Kacsmar: So while the Ravens went for a fourth-and-1 at their own 48, the Steelers played around on a fourth-and-1 at the Cincinnati 45 before taking a delay of game penalty and punting. It didn't even look like Ben Roethlisberger tried to do much with the hard count. It was more about moving players around and hoping the Bengals would do something stupid, but instead they just watched Pittsburgh act the fool.

I've seen the Steelers half-ass games before, but this is pretty bad when they were a 14-point favorite and the Bengals are down so many guys. At least they got on the board before halftime, which helped the Bengals set a record by allowing more points (203) in one quarter (second) than any team in any quarter in NFL history (credit CBS for that graphic). No Antonio Brown is an issue, but they just look unmotivated on offense so far. A big penalty after the whistle blew up the last drive, bringing up third-and-25. At least the new kicker came through to make it 10-3.

Rob Weintraub: No team plays better in meaningless Week 17 games through the years than the Bengals. It's a maddening characteristic, especially with Marvin Lewis' long overdue firing on the line.

Steelers now lead by 13-10; a field goal just scrapes through. If you don't think this is all set up for Pittsburgh to sneak into the postseason despite everything, I don't know what to tell you. Not only that, they will no doubt go on a big run once they scrape in.

Bryan Knowles: I'm rooting for the "Baltimore win, Pittsburgh win, Indianapolis-Tennessee tie" scenario which would see the Steelers make it in as the sixth seed. Tomlin saving his job thanks to Blaine Gabbert would be something, for sure.

Rob Weintraub: I mean I'm not supposed to get furious when Cincy has it third-and-short at about the 10-yard line, and instead of giving it to Joe Mixon, who is already over 100 yards in the day, they have Jeff Driskel throw it behind a beat-up line to third-string wideouts, right? Right????

Sack, of course, which means Cincy kicks a chip-shot field goal to tie it at 13. It's very odd because intellectually I want Cincy to lose, but it's impossible when I see them line up against the Black and Gold. And I definitely don't want the Steelers to sneak into the playoffs. Hence I'm nervy and angry with nothing on the line for my club.

This has been the Weintraub Agonistes.

Touchdown Browns, two-point game.

Steelers about to kick the go-ahead field goal at the two-minute warning.

Get ready for the playoffs, Pittsburgh...

Oakland Raiders 3 at Kansas City Chiefs 35

Bryan Knowles: We have leaders in the clubhouse for both "worst throw by a quarterback" and "worst effort by a receiver." Just LOOK at this.

Rob Weintraub: Perfectly representative 50th touchdown pass for Mahomes, a long bomb on the money while scrambling up in the pocket to create space for the throw. Beautiful.

Philadelphia Eagles 24 at Washington Redskins 0

Bryan Knowles: The Saga of Josh Johnson has come thudding back to earth. He's 1-for-6 today for 7 yards and an interception. Washington has 3 total net yards on their first three drives, which seems somewhat less than ideal.

Philadelphia has had two long(ish) drives, but only have one field goal to speak of. Still, with the Bears jumping out to a lead over Minnesota, the Eagles are now in playoff position...

Rob Weintraub: Nelson Agholor catches a short flip, takes three backwards steps, and extends the ball across the goal line, and then it pops loose as he hits the ground. Called incomplete. Essentially the same play that was called a touchdown with Zach Ertz in the Super Bowl. Ridiculous.

Wait! Sanity prevails! Reversed on replay and called a touchdown. Eagles up 17-0, and playoff-bound if the Bears handle their end.

Bryan Knowles: Nick Foles has headed to the locker room; Nate Sudfeld is under center. That's, you know, somewhat significant going forward, even if this game seems under control.

Rob Weintraub: Reports are that Foles went to the locker room with an unknown injury, meaning Nate Sudfeld is coming in. Would make for an ugly playoff game if that's anything serious.

What if Pederson told Foles to fake an injury to ensure the Bears keep playing to win?!

Meanwhile Sudfeld tosses a touchdown pass as soon as he comes in. Trade Foles!

Chicago Bears 24 at Minnesota Vikings 10

Vince Verhei: Your wacky fourth-and-1 attempt (or something) of the day: Bears line up to punt, but then all 11 men sprint to the sideline, and 11 offensive players sprint on to the field. OK, but, by rule the defense gets a chance to substitute if they want to, so the ref stands over the ball, which gives the Vikings a chance to collect themselves. They don't make any switches, they don't jump offsides, and the Bears take the delay of game and punt. I don't get how that was supposed to work. The ref standing over the ball killed any chance of them getting caught off guard.

Ross Tucker raises a good point on Twitter: with the Rams blowing out San Francisco, the Bears are a lock to be the third seed, meaning they will host Minnesota or Philadelphia next week. Who would you rather play? If I'm the Bears, I'd rather play Minnesota -- which means they need to LOSE to Minnesota today to make sure the Vikings get into the playoffs and the Eagles stay home.

Scott Kacsmar: It's an interesting dilemma for the Bears. I do think the Vikings are an easier matchup for them because of how they can dominate that offense. But you can't just tank so obviously to lose this 13-point lead. The Vikings have to actually earn it. Giving them a couple cheap scores should really eat at Minnesota's pride, so it has to look like a natural loss. But yeah, no way I'd want to let the defending champs back in this thing next week. Plus that's a whole new opponent to prepare for.

Vince Verhei: In case you were wondering, things in Minnesota are going fine.

Tom Gower:

The Vikings ran the ball 8 times for 18 yards in the first half. Yes, running more is exactly what they need to do.

Bryan Knowles: The Vikings get the ball back down 11 points with 7:46 left in the game ... and immediately turn it over on downs without gaining a first down. The Bears are draining clock, and I don't think it's realistic for the Vikings to score twice in less than five minutes, considering they can't move the ball at all today. The Eagles are looking like the No. 6 seed.

Los Angeles Chargers 23 at Denver Broncos 9

Rob Weintraub: Pick-two alert! Casey Hayward intercepts and takes it back to the house. Meaningless game but who doesn't love a pick-two?

Vince Verhei: The pick-two in the Chargers game is a very fun, completely meaningless play.

Indianapolis Colts 33 at Tennessee Titans 17

Andrew Potter: Man, I hope this opening sequence is a sign of things to come. End-around to Dane Cruikshank gets the Titans a big return. Then the first scrimmage play is from midfield ... and it's a Wildcat-styled play, meaning Derrick Henry is technically Tennessee's starting quarterback tonight.

... sigh. Then after all that, the Titans call a fraidy-cat punt on fourth-and-5 in plus territory. It was nice while it lasted.

Dave Bernreuther: I loved that opening kick return. That's the first time I've seen any such creativity on an opening kick, and as soon as the flip happened, I thought "why on earth haven't we seen that more?"

This Titans team is still mostly a boring question mark, but I do love that their coach is willing to try to find any edge. (Which should not be remarkable, but somehow still is.)

Aaron Schatz: Well, that was nice of Andrew Luck to just gift-wrap a pick-six under pressure and put the Titans back in the game, 14-7 with 6:35 left in the second quarter. Actually, on replay, it wasn't even that much pressure. Kamalei Correa was sort of in his face, but wasn't about to sack him. Luck just sort of tried to make an impossible throw and underthrew the receiver and it was easily picked off by the zone coverage.

Bryan Knowles: This game is drunk. After the Colts let the Titans back into the game, the Titans try to gift the Colts free points on a muffed punt. The Colts decline as Marlon Mack fumbles the ball right back.

Carl Yedor: Indianapolis refuses to let me turn this game off. Keeps giving Tennessee chances. Part of me is expecting Gabbert to just give the ball right back to the Colts here.

Aaron Schatz: Still 24-10 with about three minutes left in the third quarter. The Titans just haven't given the Colts any reason to be afraid of Gabbert passing the ball -- he has only 73 yards -- so the Colts can totally stuff the box against the run. And their run defense was already better than their pass defense.

And of course, the minute I write this, the Titans finally get a great drive, scoring a touchdown on just two plays, a 33-yard run by Henry when the Titans offensive line finally made a big hole and then a 22-yard play-action pass to Luke Stocker built off run-action that looked exactly like the previous Henry run. So now it's 24-17 Colts.

Tom Gower: That handoff thing is something that has been around for a while. Antonio Brown's first career touch was actually on one, against the Titans in the season opener back in 2009, I believe. I want to say the Titans have run it before, even, a few years ago, maybe with Darius Reynaud as one of the return men. After that and opening in the Derrick Henry direct snap, I expected a lot of trickery from Tennessee tonight as they tried to compensate for Blaine Gabbert and what would surely be an overwhelming defensive focus against Henry, who'd been the one thing on offense they thought they could maybe count on, but no such luck. And thus it has been a lot of minimally productive, at best, drives. Until what just happened, 55 yards on one Derrick Henry carry and one Gabbert-to-Luke Stocker pass that was actually on target after Gabbert had been misfiring often.

Aaron Schatz: The Titans look like they're ending this game in an orgy of penalties, which is a little strange since the Titans were last in the league in penalties coming into this game. They've been flagged on five of the last seven plays: offensive holding twice, then illegal formation, illegal block above the waist, and finally unnecessary roughness for Ben Jones kind of losing his mind and shoving a Colts defender.

(Actually, NBC replay shows the Colts defender showing Jones first, but the officials missed it. You've still got to hold back and not respond to stuff like that, though.)

Dave Bernreuther: With their season on the line, the Titans -- who we should note are the least penalized team in football and had only been flagged three times all night -- start inside their own 20 and then proceed to be flagged five times in a single series. Fourth-and-a-mile for the season is not a place you want to put Blaine Gabbert.

Curtains.

Aaron Schatz: With the Colts win, we end up with FO correctly picking eight playoff teams instead of nine. Still, this was one of our best projection years. We correctly predicted eight playoff teams (NE, HOU, LAC, BAL; NO, LAR, DAL, PHI). Three of our misses were the last three teams out of the playoffs (MIN, TEN, PIT). Our other miss was GB. Plus, we had SEA as NFC team 7 and we had IND/KC as AFC teams 7 and 8. The one team the projection system didn't see coming -- although subjectively, everyone knew it was a distinct possibility -- was Chicago. And obviously Kansas City was projected way too low, even if we did have them technically in the top half of the AFC.

Tom Gower: The Titans needed a lot to pull off the win tonight, and didn't get it. C'est la vie.

Dave Bernreuther: So the Colts -- a team of many flaws that we could argue hasn't actually beaten anyone good all year -- are playoff-bound, having won nine of 10 to close out after a 1-5 start.

That 1-5 start, it's worth noting, included four losses to the Jets, Bengals, Texans, and Eagles that were well within reach, as was the 6-0 abomination in Jacksonville. The Patriots loss was the only game all year that they weren't in realistic position to possibly win in the fourth quarter. That's pretty astounding.

I don't know how to feel about this. They're a few coin flips from a bye in a weak AFC, they're on a 9-1 roll, and they have a very winnable game -- hell, they might even be a pick'em -- next week in Houston, but they're still several steps away from being a serious title contender. So I'm not convinced that winning this game was even in their best interest. Hopefully this time around they won't get overly ambitious and start trading first-round picks for that one final rolling ball of knives that'll help them overcome their New England hump and put them over the top...

Pessimism aside, this iteration of the Colts is so much better positioned to make a run in future years than the last surprise playoff team of 2012. Not only because the conference is weakening, but because they really do seem to have a great core in place, with plenty of cap space and front-office discipline to spare for later. That's exciting. And even if they're not your team, we're all better off for having a healthy Andrew Luck in our lives.

And now we get them for another week. Maybe more. Not a bad turnaround at all, and nothing about it feels like a fluke either. Cheers to Chris Ballard, Frank Reich, and perhaps most of all, Matt Eberflus.

Comments

122 comments, Last at 02 Jan 2019, 7:37pm

1 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:21am

“This is the greatest play-by-play I’ve ever heard.”

I assume he’s not heard any Mexican soccer play-by-play.

(Seriously, the greatest? He’s waaaay overselling it.)

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2 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:37am

So it's official: the Browns got screwed by the officials more than any other team this year.

My personal favorite was in the first Ravens game, where the birds found a major loophole in the NFL passing rules: once the ball is thrown deep, you can just knock the receiver down, because it's not P.I. since the ball is "uncatchable" due to the receiver having been knocked down! It's disappointing that nobody tried to exploit this loophole harder, now that it's proven to exist. Maybe they're all saving it for the playoffs.

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28 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by OldFox // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:38am

Glad to see I’m not the only one who noticed this. The zebras hosed the Browns so badly and so frequently this year that I’m starting to doubt that it was coincidental. The worst was in the Raiders game. There were something like 3 ridiculous calls in critical situations that went against the Browns. My gut feeling is that the Browns have been so bad for so long that everyone in the NFL, including the refs, tends to look down on them, with the result that they get the short end of the stick in everything from judgment calls to network coverage. Hopefully Baker Mayfield has garnered enough respect that this will change in the future.

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29 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by tuluse // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:44am

I believe the NBA has shown a statistical ref bias towards good teams. When you watch a team every week and they're just destroying you subconsciously give them the benefit of the doubt in close calls (and vice versa)

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36 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by mehllageman56 // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:44am

The NFL has it too. Usually, a team with a decent record get the benefit of the doubt, and a once good team doesn't get breaks in a massive down year. That's been different this year, with the Browns the main example. The NFL apologized to the Jets during the week concerning a pass interference penalty in their loss to the Packers, and that wasn't the only officiating break they got that day. The Packers had a terrible year, but the refs still thought they were so much better than the Jets that they deserved it.

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37 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by RickD // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:44am

Agree with this point, and would add that the same applies to home teams.

As a perennial loser, the Browns will have to repair their reputation to get fair officiating.

Unfortunate.

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46 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by SlevinKelevra // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:18pm

how does that agree with the fact the Steelers also got seriously hosed in multiple big games/calls?

they're "perennial winners"

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56 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by JimZipCode // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:27pm

Long-term payback for that Super Bowl win against Holmgrens Seahawks, years ago.

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66 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by SlevinKelevra // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:53pm

ah yes, the one where Hasselbeck and J Stevans both fumbled and Steelers recovered but the refs invented ways to rule them both down/incomplete .

*but but holding call !*

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59 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:58pm

The Steelers gave a Raiders-like rep as far as penalties go. (KC, too)

The weird part is NE doesn’t.

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74 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by RickD // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:04pm

Only Steelers fans feel that way.

Get back to me when you have draft picks stolen. I might start to care.

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105 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Jerry // Jan 01, 2019 - 4:38am

The only thing worse than the Patriots losing draft picks for getting caught cheating is their fans continuing to whine about it.

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112 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Jan 01, 2019 - 2:57pm

pro-Patriots fans and anti-Patriots fans yelling at each other: the worst.

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70 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by BJR // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:42pm

Not denying this point overall, but didn't the recent DVOA dynasty Seahawks lead the league in fewest opponent penalties (and therefore penalty differential) for something like 4 straight seasons?

I remember noticing it at the time and failing to come up with a satisfactory explanation. Conspiracy theorists suggested it might have been because it was known the Seattle DBs were getting away with a lot of stuff that could be flagged (presumably because of reputation), so refs were trying to balance this by flagging their opponents as infrequently as possible. Whatever, it happened, and it was weird.

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75 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by RickD // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:06pm

It's a theory that holds in general, all other things being equal. The theory doesn't mean that all teams commit penalties at the same rates.

It's very hard to measure "unfair penalty rate".

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78 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:35pm

He's saying not that the Seahawks got called for penalties and an inordinate rate; you can easily say that's because they committed them at an inordinate rate.

He's saying that the Seahawks =opponents= led the league in fewest penalties against the Seahawks in (I think, I can't remember exactly) four straight years, and that you have to stretch to come with an answer that isn't bad. It is weird, at least.

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76 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:26pm

Yes. I'm an advocate of Stop Blaming the Damn Refs because everyone does it. If you listen the fans at both sides of the same game, you will hear the same Blame the Refs, and half of them blame a conspiracy.

But I also am a fan of the Seahawks, and what BJR described did happen, and it was weird, for sure. I'm still not blaming the refs (blaming the NFL is something else again), but I was tested for a few years there.

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58 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by af16 // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:55pm

Well, don't forget about the atrocious "holding" that took away Lamar's TD. Would have been 27-7.

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3 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 8:37am

In Zimmer's defense, saying "We are going to lose because we don't block anybody" wouldn't go down too well.

When it was announced that both Kendricks and Rhodes were out, any chance that the Vikings defense would play well enough to give them a chance to win disappeared. The Vikings offense played about as well as it could against the Bears defense; 10 points and zero turnovers.

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5 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:05am

I don't know Will. The Vikes have two really good receivers, a good TE, a quality rb, and a qb who is getting paid serious dollars. And that line is not the disaster in pass blocking that one might think. I think you are being too kind with the offense. The Bears defense is good, but MN should have been able to do more than GB did at Soldier field a few weeks ago given the circumstances

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11 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:19am

I'll agree to disagree. The guard play is beyond atrocious, Rieff is hobbled, and I think Sparano's death in late July really affected their ability to get better.

(edit) Having said all that, if they get average performance from their holder and kicker, they are still playing. Given Zimmer has stood up for special teams coach Priefer more than once, that's on Zimmer.

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12 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:20am

Per FO Minnesota's sack percentage is in the top ten for offensive lines. I am sure part of that is Cousins but not all of the result can be given to the qb.

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17 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:43am

Not all, but the vast majority. Their sack percentage in 2016 was pretty good too, when Bradford was playing behind 72 different o-line combinations. In 2004, when Culpepper was having an MVP caliber season, due to having all day to find receivers, their sack percentage was among the worst. We just don't have good metrics for pass blocking.

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24 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by tuluse // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:25am

Remmers was absolutely outclassed. Unable to block Hicks 1 on 1 at all. The rest of the line didn't look good, but good lord that was a mismatch.

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27 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:35am

He's been that bad in probably 12 or 13 games. Really has no business being in the league at this point.

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31 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by dank067 // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:59am

Between two months of "we need to run the ball more" and the defenestration of his offensive coordinator, which ultimately changed nothing, part of me wants to rip Zimmer as delusional and think (hope?) the game is starting to pass him by. As you allude to, though, coaches often can't or won't say what they are really thinking out loud.

The year Memphis went to the Final Four I remember being dumbfounded at how arrogant John Calipari was in publicly dismissing his team's inability to shoot free throws as unimportant, which poetically went on to cost them the national championship. Later it came out that he spent all season frantically searching for something, anything that could help his players improve their free throw shooting.

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33 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by jmaron // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:12am

I like Mike Zimmer, or at least I like the persona that one gets to know as a fan. It seemed to me that the Vikings under Zimmer very often seem to lay an egg, both offensively and defensively, in big games.

It's not just the offence. I looked up Zimmer's 9 playoff games as a DC and HC. In those games the opps averaged .3 yds/ply more than their avg during the reg season, and 1 net yard per play more than Zimmer defences gave up during the reg season. The only playoff game where the opponent did significantly worse in net yds/play was 2015 against Sea. One would have to think that had a lot to do with it being 1000 degrees below zero.

It's only nine games, so it could be just bad luck. But I certainly have come to expect the defence as well as the offence to play it's worst when it most matters.

I think the biggest mistake teams can make in a Salary cap world is spending too much for mediocre talent. The Vikings were unlucky losing Bridgewater but I think they have consistently over paid for the QB position when it seemed obvious it wasn't a good idea. With Ponder, Bridgewater, Bradford, and Cousins, they've spend 3 1sts, a 3rd, and 84 million guaranteed. With the exception of Bridgewater it was pretty obvious that those players had almost no chance of being an elite QB. There is tons of luck in how players fall to you in a draft, so much of the "genius" of the top franchises is luck, but you can't weaken your chances by over paying for avg players.

The argument seems to be they didn't have a choice, but of course they did. The QB that worked out best for them was a cast off paid 2 million dollars. I think they would have been far better to spend that draft capital and money on other positions for players who have real upside and taking a shot with cast off QBs while you throw darts at the draft board for a QB.

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40 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:58am

Ponder was just a pure evaluation error, in a bad year to draft a qb. I'm convinced the owner demanded a qb be drafted in the 1st round, because it was after that catastrophe that Spielman obtained full draft authority. Bridgewater was terrible luck (part of a multiyear pattern of bad injury luck with 1st and 2nd round picks since Zimmer became head coach), and I fully support their decision to trade a lot for Bradford, as opposed to bagging the season. They couldn't forsee the injuries would keep piling up. Keenum's season last year was really a lucky break, and not coincidentally, it happened in the one good oline performance they have had since 2009. Cousins? I was never his number 1 fan, but next year he'll consume, what, a little more than 12 % of their cap? That's not too far out of line with what the market is for a veteran qb with several statistically above average seasons.

Zimmer's greatest fault may be accentuating Spielman's greatest fault, which is a reluctance to use rounds 1-3 on offensive linemen. However, their bad luck with Bridgewater, which resulted in sacrificing draft capital to get Bradford, didn't help, and overlooking the impact of Sparano's death is likely a mistake.

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43 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:08pm

GB became guilty of the same approach on the o-line expecting James Campen, the line coach, to turn chickensh8t into chicken salad.

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57 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Ben // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:37pm

The Colts tried to do the same for basically all of Luck’s career. They finally bit the bullet (well, and changed GMs) and spent a lot of draft capital on the o-line over the last few years.

It has really paid off.

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80 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by jmaron // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:42pm

Well they have spent a couple of those 1-3 rd picks on O'Neil and Elflein the last two years. I'm not sure about either of the two, but my uneducated eye thought O'Neil looked like he could pass block fairly well. Got overpowered sometimes and gave up some pressures, but almost never got completely whipped. No idea about his run blocking, but I suspect it was poor as it seemed every run to his side of the line was blown up.

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86 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:11pm

Yeah, they have begun to rectify the error, but it takes time. Elflein, of course, didn't come off PUP list until September 1. I think O'Neil will be alright, but as long as Remmers is next to him it's never going to look good. Having Easton go down and Berger retire, along with Sparano's death, really hurt, of course.

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52 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Chip // Dec 31, 2018 - 1:31pm

Will Allen - how would you rank order the causes for MIN under achieving this year: Zimmerman, Cousins, Spielman (not addressing the Oline) or other?

Is this a one off or more of a structural problem that limits MINs long term success?

Lastly, if Cousins and Thielan are jawing on the sidelines, who’s to blame? AT seems to have a good rep so it seems like he should get the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t know what to believe coming out of the Twin Cities.

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55 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:12pm

Man, people really make the simple complicated. The Vikings didn't get to 10 wins because of two reasons. They are inefficient on offense and in the kicking game. They are inefficient on offense because they block poorly. They are bad in the kicking game because of kicker and holder performance.

They block poorly because they have invested little in draft capital in the oline for a decade, partially by design, partially due to bad luck, and also because their good oline coach suddenly died in July.

They kick poorly because they have been unlucky in picking kickers, and they wrongly believe that any punter can also become an adequate holder.

Everybody's mad now, because they undrestimated how hard it would be to win 10 or more games. When Easton went down in July, Berger retired, and Sparano died, I dialed my expectations way back. If you had told me that Everson Griffin would be ineffective for a half season, due to mental illness, I would have said 8 wins was a non surprising outcome.

(edit) Oh, and the Cousins/Thielen shouting match is likely meaningless. Cousins is frustrated, but he can't go to Remmers and shout "Stop being physically inadequate for the NFL!", so he screams at Thielen instead. Thielen screams back. Better blocking would make them BFF.

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77 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:31pm

This is my take too. I really wanted to see Cousins succeed, but beyond what you mentioned, FOA was bearish on the Vikings for even more reasons. I think there's lots to be optimistic about 2019, especially since the team is certain to focus on improving the OL.

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96 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by LionInAZ // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:48pm

I don't know. Rodgers dumped on his OL plenty, and so has Brady. Cousins hasn't had enough time to deal with this team I suspect. As a Lions fan I hope it stays that way.

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97 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:29pm

It's one thing to tear a new one on a guy with talent. It's pointless to do it on a guy who physically doesn't belong in tbe league. It's like screaming at an NBA center because he's a little over 6 feet tall.

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4 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 8:58am

Skimming through games I have to ask the obvious, do some players not think the game is captured on video? Because along with 87 of the Raiders I saw multiple players from a number of teams give little or no effort on plays. Some of these guys are known good players and the ones that really shock me are the guys who you think are trying to catch on or stay in the league half *ssing it. Is this a sign of being pro do they think, not trying hard in the last game of the season?

I also saw and heard some criticism of Packer fans booing the team and to those critics I say go pound sand. Not just the tickets but everything around attending an NFL game is expensive. Like really, REALLY expensive. And then the team just rolls over? D*mn right a fan should boo that non effort. Yesterday was as bad an effort as I have seen in several decades. Even Lindy Infante got his team to try harder at the end of a 4-12 season.

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6 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:10am

They were trying to make sure Philbin wasn't offered the head coaching job? That's all I've got. The worst Vikings team, in terms of no effort, was 1984, when the most professional of veterans did everything they could, which meant doing nothing, to ensure the Les Steckel, who they hated with the heat of a thousand suns, would never be a head coach again.

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9 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:14am

Possibly. But I don't think the offensive line's plan was to get Rodgers concussed. Apparently 12 had to leave the stadium in an ambulance.

I do credit for the Lions, like the CArdinals, coming out playing REALLY hard. That is one thing that has bugged me the last several years with this organization. The leadership is so focused on being 'even keeled' and 'emotionally balanced' the Packers are ill-equipped to deal with an opponent who comes out looking to kick some *ss. I completely understand why you cannot take the approach of a Dennis Green because the team is unable to sustain a fever pitch for an entire season. But man getting your head handed to you by an opponent just because he is trying harder play to play is really disappointing

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18 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:47am

I understand why Philbin started Rodgers; Philbin wants to get as good a job as he can next year. Gutekunst or the team president needed to intercede to keep Rodgers off the field in a meaningless week 17 game.

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19 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:52am

Per the defined management structure the head coach reports to Mark Murphy, not the GM. FWIW

Part of the challenge is that 12 has been taken aback (supposedly) by the public accusations that he tanked to get McCarthy fired so has been out front insisting he would play out the season. So who knows how that decision played out on 12 playing or not.

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21 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by rageon // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:07am

Head coaches obviously have extremely expansive jobs, but I do think one of their overlooked challenges is simply convincing 50 young men to work their butts off every snap.

I love what Amazon does with their "All or Nothing" series in terms of showing coaching and front office stuff. (I know, ediing can change how something looks, etc.) One of the more fascinating things I took away from the Rams year was how much it appeared that guys really did want to work hard for Jeff Fisher, despite it being clear the game had passed him by offensively (and conversely, how much the same players appeared to tune out Gregg Williams).

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79 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:36pm

Jeff Fisher inspired his guys to play dirty every week. I hated him even before he was exposed as awful

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85 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:07pm

And yet Gregg Williams coached his players to play dirty, =and= they hated him.

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7 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:11am

Given what we know about teams' records in close games fluctuating season to season is what happened to the Steelers this year that surprising? The team was fortunate in 2017 and unfortunate in 2018.

I do think that Tomlin shows a distressing amount of McCarthyism in his tactical approach. Not my team obviously, but I would be having a serious sitdown with Tomlin after the season about fundamental changes and if MT were unwilling to entertain those suggestions discuss a separation package.

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15 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by BJR // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:31am

I very much doubt Tomlin is thinking along these lines, but now might be a good time for him to get out of Pittsburgh. He has still probably got enough credit in the bank to get another shot at a HC job elsewhere. And with Big Ben approaching the end of his career, I do not like the outlook of being in the same division as Baker Mayfield and the perennially well-run Ravens for the next decade.

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35 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:41am

Enough credit in the bank?

He’s likely a HoF coach, the second most successful of his era behind Belichick. He continued a 40 year history of Steelers continuity and success. None of that was easy.

If he left tomorrow, the Packers would be insane to not instantly hire him.

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41 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by RickD // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:04pm

Likely a HoF coach? For winning one Super Bowl?
Jimmy Johnson isn't in the Hall of Fame. He's got an 8-7 playoff record. Johnson's is 9-4 with two Super Bowls. Tom Flores is also on the outside looking in. Hell, Bill Cowher has more career wins and a Super Bowl title.
It's very hard to make the Hall as a head coach. Aside from Belichick I don't see any current coaches as a sure thing. Even Andy Reid (8th on all time list for NFL wins) might need to win a Super Bowl - certainly another 1 and done with KC won't help him at all.

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45 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:15pm

Schottenheimer deserves to be in the HOF before Tomlin, but that just goes to the inanity of overemphasizing the relatively tiny number of playoff games, in a one and done format, in evaluating coaching performance. I'm not in the Tomlin fanclub, either, as much as I took issue with a guy who used to post here who stated that somebody with Tomlin's winning percentage over a decade was terrible. I think it likely that Tomlin is solidly above average, even if not one of the all time greats. It's just really hard to evaluate coaching performance if the coach isn't way out on either tail.

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48 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by tuluse // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:22pm

You really like to see what a coach does with at least 2 QBs too. I could probably coach say Peyton in his prime to a winning record.

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49 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:46pm

I think Joe Gibbs is the best coach I've ever seen, and his 2nd stint, with Dan Snyder as a ball and chain, just reemphasized that perception.

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98 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by MC2 // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:54pm

Agreed, on both points.

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60 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:10pm

The list of coaches with more wins at the same or better rate is Belichick, Brown, Dungy, Halas, Shula.

At worst, he’s George Siefert.

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62 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:33pm

And Seifert is exhibit 1 in how inadequate our tools are in evaluating coaching performance. If Roger Craig doesn't fumble at the end of the NFCCG in January 1991, there's a decent chance he retires from the Niners with ar least two championships on his own terms, and the highest winning percentage of all time.

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71 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:48pm

Siefert gets, unfairly I think, dinged for that terrible Panthers season.

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47 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by SlevinKelevra // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:20pm

he has almost identical career regular season stats as McCarthy.

he lost H2H against McCarthy in the big game.

success?
I guess
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1079595367199662080

"The Steelers are the 3rd team to start 7-2-1 or better through 10 games & fail to reach the playoffs since the current playoff format was adopted in 1990. The other 2 teams were the 1995 Raiders (8-2) and 1993 Dolphins (8-2), who both lost QBs to injury."

Steelers finished season one of the healthiest teams in the league overall AND didn't have major QB injuries.

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82 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:03pm

I would offer Pete Carroll as the second-best behind Belichick of his generation, and while you think it's good to follow 40 year history of Steelers continuity and success, I submit that it's even better to =establish= success where it's only been intermittent before.

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89 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 7:16pm

Holmgren did the heavy lifting in restoring Seattle as a franchise.

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94 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by dank067 // Dec 31, 2018 - 8:57pm

Green Bay was in bad shape when he came in there, too. He didn't have GM duties in that instance, but he did coach an insanely raw Brett Favre into a 3x MVP.

He ended up being stripped of GM duties in Seattle, but in retrospect did one hell of a job there. Too bad about Cleveland and drafting Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden in the same first round...

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103 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Jan 01, 2019 - 1:18am

Yes, and two awful years (Holmgren's last year and Flores) meant that Carroll had to rebuild the Seahawks from the ground up. The first two years of Carroll and Schneider were a different team, with no parts remaining. It was not like Holmgren left many parts and Carroll just went from there. Holmgren did heavy lifting, but Carroll had to do the same.

You can make a case that Paul Allen was an excellent owner, and his smart hires is why the Seahawks win.

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91 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by yavimaya_eldred // Dec 31, 2018 - 7:56pm

I have zero interest in the prospects of Tomlin being in Green Bay. Like McCarthy, he's got very clear flaws that have not improved over his career, and a lot of his success is tied to having a HOF QB. Tomlin comes off as a guy that is a strong coach in between Sundays, but he's dreadful strategically on gameday, his teams constantly play down to bad opponents, and he rants about accountability when things go poorly only for his team to continue looking sloppy and disjointed.

I don't think he's an awful coach by any means but I'm not interested in a retread that functions as more of the same of the coach they justifiably fired.

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8 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:12am

I'm kind of disappointed that there's no mention of the Alonso cheap shot and three players being ejected from BUF-MIA. You missed a good opportunity for more jokes about Allen being a running back.

Hauschka hasn't been right since he was cheap-shotted a few weeks ago. If the season had mattered he'd probably have been IR'd, I think.

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10 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:18am

Why there is still no announcement that Ron Zook has been fired somewhat surprises me. McCarthy gets canned an hour after a game but Zook has more of a grace period? There are few times when a coach has worked so hard to be terminated from employment, but this is one of those instances. Man what a terrible finish this December. If any pro team even considers Zook someone needs to share the montage of Packer embarrassments courtesy of special teams in 2018.

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38 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Bright Blue Shorts // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:47am

I guess midseason they wanted to give the new coach as much time to prepare for the next game as possible.

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13 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mr Shush // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:20am

"This game is technically not meaningless; the Texans could end up in a tie with the Chiefs for seeding for the bye (or, theoretically, the No. 3 seed), and it would go down to strength of victory. The Texans beat the Bills back in October, so Josh Allen's rushing touchdown (yet another one -- guy should consider moving to running back) actually helps Houston, theoretically."

The Texans also beat the Dolphins back in October, so nope, really meaningless.

Speaking of AFC playoff seeding, it turns out that if the Colts had not played to win the game against Houston back in week 4, and it had finished as a tie, their standings would have been reversed, with the Colts #3 and the Texans #6 (butterflies notwithstanding).

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14 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Jerry // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:23am

Vince Verhei: The Steelers fans in this bar are going nuts and chanting Baker Mayfield's name right now.

When they put the last Browns drive on the video board at Heinz Field, the chant was "Let's Go Browns!" And, just like Cleveland fans, we were ultimately disappointed.

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16 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:32am

It will be hard to watch the Browns defense and seeing Joe Schobert and DaMarious Randall play significant roles for Cleveland. GB passed on Schobert in the draft claiming he was too slow and Randall was asked to play corner in GB. Not good work by the Packers in either situation.

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92 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by yavimaya_eldred // Dec 31, 2018 - 8:00pm

Even worse, they traded Randall for a terrible backup QB while their safety position group was one of the worst in football. Now there's talk of moving Josh Jackson (who, funnily enough, looks too slow to play corner) to safety, which is really something considering his tackling is downright atrocious.

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20 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:07am

I like the Bears chances against anybody, although winning the NFCCG in New Orleans poses a very significant challenge, obviously. Would I be shocked if they beat the Saints in the Superdome? Not at all.

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22 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:11am

If the Giants can win a SB with a pass rush and Manning not turning it over then Chicago can do the same. (cough, gack, wheeze)

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26 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by tuluse // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:30am

Trubisky has yet to show anything on the level of QB play that Eli performed starting in the 07 playoffs, but then again, neither had Eli. Still, I think it's unlikely a 2nd year Trubisky can do that. Luckily Nagy is a creative offensive mind so he can mask some of that. Also the Bears back 7 is much better than the 07 Giants.

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30 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:57am

Let's not forget 2011 though I would love to as much as any Packer fan. And I think Nagy's creativity is overrated. He gets high marks for marketing his stuff though with the cutesy names. Absolutely agree that the Bears back 7 is a sterling group overall.

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69 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by dbt // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:41pm

I also think a bunch of that comes from that Tampa game where either his calls or TB's ineptitude led to wide open receivers all over the field and a 6 TD game from a QB who, in all honesty, is simply not that good right now.

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25 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by tuluse // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:27am

The thing that gives me the most hope is that with the 2nd string defense in, they were still whipping the Viking's offensive line. The thing that worries me is their top 3 receivers were all hurt by the end of the game.

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32 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by dank067 // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:08am

On the other side of the ball, I thought the Bears offensive line looked really good yesterday. With a bunch of receivers out and running basically just a vanilla offense, they were able to sustain a pretty solid running game. As bad as Minnesota's offense looked, the Bears were able to hold onto the ball and limit the number of opportunities Minnesota even had to get back into the game. Getting Kyle Long back could be a big boost heading into the postseason.

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51 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Chip // Dec 31, 2018 - 1:26pm

Agreed. Wintzman was easily the worst starter on either side and it wasn’t even close. No push in the run game and easily beat in pass pro. Not a PFF guy but he has to be in the bottom 10 at OG.

Can’t beleive that Long is back and actually looked good. I thought that he might never play again. No surprise that his return resulted in J Horwards appearance in the top 5 RB DYAR.

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88 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Steve in WI // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:44pm

I haven’t heard much about Robinson, but I got the impression he was held out at least in part because they had little to play for...I know he is banged up, but I would be curious if he would have played if it was a must win. The Miller injury looked bad and I would obviously rather have him healthy, but he was kind of an afterthought in the second half of the season anyway.

I was blown away by the dominance of the Bears defense throughout the game but especially when they put the second string in. If you removed all references to the playoffs from the broadcast you’d have thought the Bears were the team desperate for a win and the Vikings were the ones locked into a seed.

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23 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:25am

And lest I forget thanks to the FO squad for the continued good work and posting things like the 'Audibles'. Really enjoy the discussions even when my team sucks.

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34 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by mehllageman56 // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:39am

Aaron: "But the Jets have to work on this weird thing in their offense where they keep having passes where a receiver in front leaps up for a ball that was actually intended for a receiver right behind him."

Well, they did fire the guy drawing up those well designed plays, and also fired the guy who fired John Morton (decent offense with Josh McCown last year) to hire that guy as well. But they kept the guy who hired all the receivers. Baby steps.

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39 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Bright Blue Shorts // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:51am

Interesting that the Bills have Josh Allen running around racking up huge amounts of yardage.

Yet last season, McDermott ran Tyrod Taylor out of town because he wasn't a pocket passer like the greater-favoured Nathan Peterman.

The Bills regress from a playoff spot to 6-10. I wonder if McDermott stays. With the Jets and Dolphins taking on new HCs, is it going to be better to have a stable regime to try and win the division?

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44 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mike B. In Va // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:11pm

Let's be real - the Bills "regressed" by blowing up the team, at least the offense. Last year's playoff berth was luck - I'll take it, but it was still luck, and trying to build on that team would have been a horrific mistake.

How long did Taylor last as Cleveland's starter? I was a fan, but it clear last year he had become so risk-averse that he was playing not to lose, which isn't going to get you anywhere in the NFL.

So McDermott's fine, and anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't actually follow anything about Buffalo but the ESPN headlines. The team recovered from The Peterman Debacle and was actually playing pretty decently by the end of the year, even with having started "playing the kids" the week after they were eliminated from the playoffs. They were supposed to suck this year, while shedding bad contracts and aging players - and 6-10 is actually better than I expected. Ownership is on board with the plan, and has clearly learned from the Rex Ryan/Whaley disaster.

Still not sure if Allen is Losman 2.0 (or Bortles 2.0), yet, but the kid is at least fun to watch and has progressed over the course of the season.

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50 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Cythammer // Dec 31, 2018 - 1:25pm

Tyrod Taylor is a mediocre starting QB who has very little chance of significantly improving since he's not a young prospect, so moving on from him was perfectly sensible. Whether Josh Allen was the right guy to draft is another matter, but Tyrod being better than Allen doesn't mean they should've stuck with him. The Bills also didn't really regress that much this year because they were a bad team that got lucky last season. They were 21st in DVOA. While it's definitely worse to be where they are now (31st), you don't try and preserve a bad team just because they got very lucky and slipped into the playoffs.

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53 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 1:57pm

This is a really good point and something GB ignored after 2016 when Rodgers getting hot, the defense getting lucky with turnovers and the schedule helped GB get into the playoffs and eventually the NFC championship game where the team was mauled.

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81 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:54pm

In 1998, Rich Gannon was a mediocre starting QB who had very little chance of significantly improving since he was not a young prospect, too.

I think the Bills needed some work before this year, but what McDermott did was INTENTIONALLY make the offense absolutely cover-your-eyes awful. How is that supposed to help the team short or long term?

I think any defense of McDermott is insane. The only reason the Bills aren't the stupidest team in the NFL is Washington and Oakland are even stupider.

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84 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:04pm

I think McDermott is a good coach with some extremely loopy agendas when it comes to the roster and future of the team. That makes him a net negative on the whole.

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102 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mike B. In Va // Jan 01, 2019 - 12:14am

Salary cap. The Peterman thing was a screw up, sure, but half the OLine retiring in a year with few good FA choices pretty much guaranteed the team would start the year bad.

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99 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by MC2 // Dec 31, 2018 - 10:59pm

Well, Washington's organization as a whole may be a mess, but I think Jay Gruden actually did a very good job this year. The Redskins started out with a very mediocre roster, and then suffered probably the most injuries of any team in the league, and yet, they somehow kept their head above water for most of the year. I think Gruden did a great job.

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101 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:48pm

If you're not impressed by Jay Gruden's work this year, you don't know, to quote Parcells, whether the ball is blown up or stuffed.

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113 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by mrh // Jan 01, 2019 - 4:58pm

Don't know if it was Gruden or the front office, but the decision to carry just 2 qbs was horrible. That put them in the position of grabbing anyone who had ever been "in" their offensive system and having that player (Sanchez, then Johnson) run a limited playbook. I'm not sure they'd have been better w/a typical 3rd string guy who knew "the system" but a bigger playbook couldn't have hurt.

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114 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Jan 01, 2019 - 6:07pm

How many teams can mitigate the loss of their starting qb? I think the number is no more than 5 or so, making it a pretty forgivable sin.

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115 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by mrh // Jan 01, 2019 - 10:13pm

Living in the DC area, although not a fan of the local team, I read/hear a lot about the offense has been hamstrung since McCoy's injury because the QBs brought in to replace him had to learn the system and the playbook. And that they signed those QBs not because they were necessarily the best available but because they had worked with this or a similar system in the past - and that alone wasn't enough to allow Gruden to use his entire playbook. Carrying a 3rd QB would have mitigated that problem and is something a lot if not most teams do. The loss of so many guards was always going to cause this offense problems and having a developmental QB on the roster/practice squad probably wouldn't have saved the season. But at least the team would know if that guy had any future potential instead of learning what most casual observers knew: that Sanchez sucks and Johnson is limited at best.

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116 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Jan 02, 2019 - 12:32am

If somebody wants to argue that a 3rd qb should be on the roster, on the off,off chance you'll get a winning powerball ticket, or, more sensibly, having a 3rd qb running the opposition offense helps preparation, fine. The odds of the 3rd qb being able to get your otherwise not great roster to the playoffs really are never going to be realistically decent.

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42 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Anger...rising // Dec 31, 2018 - 12:05pm

Actually, NBC replay shows the Colts defender showing Jones first, but the officials missed it. You've still got to hold back and not respond to stuff like that, though.

The "response" happened while he was still in the process of being hit in the face. Smart take.

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54 Question about the rules...

by PTORaven // Dec 31, 2018 - 2:08pm

I want to start by saying that clearly the ref should not have blown the play dead when Lamar Jackson fumbled at the goal line, and this mistake 100% cost the Browns good field position or a TD.

My question is about the review. I can make peace with bad calls on the field because mistakes happen, but I absolutely despise when instant reviews get it wrong, because these are actually preventable. Anyway, I heard this happen during the live broadcast and went and confirmed it on GamePass this morning: the ref blew the whistle shortly after the ball was knocked out of Lamar's hands, right around the time it hit a Raven's players' hands (Gus Edwards), and before a Brown had recovered or even touched it. It's not even clear which player is closest to the ball when the whistle blew. The rule book says this (Rule 7)(Section 2)(Article 1)(m):

"when an official sounds the whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately...(2)
If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down."

so that seems pretty cut and dry that the ball belonged to the Ravens. additionally, the rulebook says this regarding replays (Rule 15)(Section 2)(Article 4):

"The following play situations are not reviewable...(c)(2) Erroneous whistle."

so the ball was dead immediately at the whistle, it was clearly (like very very clearly, not just me saying this cause I'm a ravens homer) not recovered by the browns by the time the whistle blew and belonged to the ravens by rule, and there was by rule NO WAY for possession to be granted to the browns there.

so how did this happen? do they not use audio when they're doing reviews? that's the only explanation i can think of for this one. if that's the case, they need to look at a way to change that. how can you have a review system where the reviewer can't tell when the play ended? it's completely unfair to assume that what happened after a whistle was blown is the same result as if the whistle hadn't been blown. the all-22 film might show something different, but the down-the-line camera shot of the play kinda looks like the raven (Edwards) pulled up a little after the whistle while the Brown (Peppers) kept going.

anyway, i'm not an expert. maybe i've missed something.

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61 Re: Question about the rules...

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:21pm

The same decision was made in the Giants-Cowboys game, except it was a TD.

I think part of the idea is to avoid a defender Sapping the QB on the return.

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65 Re: Question about the rules...

by JimZipCode // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:53pm

I think you're technically right, and the refs giving the ball to Cleveland is likely a matter of trying to achieve "justice" instead of applying the rule. No slo-mo replay that I've ever seen has had sound, so maybe that's a factor.

I read on a discussion board that someone saw a still – maybe from Sports Illustrated?? – that "clearly" showed that Lamar had actually broken the plane, and that replay got it wrong. Anyone seen anything along those lines?

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73 Re: Question about the rules...

by PTORaven // Dec 31, 2018 - 5:03pm

the thing is, that's not justice if one player stops on the whistle and the other one doesn't. when the whistle happened both gus edwards and jabrill peppers were near the ball. from the camera angle it's impossible to tell who was closer (when GamePass puts out the all-22 it'll be more clear) at the instant the whistle was blown. and it does appear that Edwards sort of breaks off at the whistle. if that whistle isn't blown, it's entirely possible that Edwards scoops it up and runs it in for a touchdown.

and honestly, as a fan, i'd rather the refs follow the rules for stuff like this instead of giving out "justice" makeup calls. if they give out a "justice" makeup call for one of the judgement calls then there's no way to really police that (like a DPI after a holding call). but the whole review process is their one chance to get it exactly right, and they clearly didn't here, and if the refs aren't taking the blowing of the whistle into account then they shouldn't be reviewing the play at all for something like this.

it's completely stupid to have they guessing what the outcome of a play might've been if they hadn't blown the whistle. like, this one wasn't even close. as near as i can tell, the whistle happened when the ball was midair about halfway between the goalline and gus edwards's hand at 1:52 on the game clock (that's conservative, so that's my best guess ONCE i've heard the whistle, i.e. it's either 1:52 or 1:53 on the game clock, not 1:51). peppers doesn't even touch the ball until 1:50. that's TWO SECOND OF WHISTLING. there's maybe 6 or 8 distinct whistles blown during those two seconds. it sounds to me like they're coming from multiple refs, not just the ref that initially signalled. maybe there are logistical problems with giving the in-stadium refs an audio feed, but if they can't use audio on replays in the stadium then someone in NY needs to somehow insert a visual indicator at the frame where the play was blown dead. doing my best with just GamePass, this frame is at or slightly after the whistle being blown. the ref is already running in from the sideline, so that's the visual indication (if there is one) that he's blowing the play dead. that's how i was able to get this frame anyway, i watched the broadcast for where the ref was when i first heard the whistle, then walked through the slo-mo to capture the frame corresponding to the whistle. the whistle roughly coincided with him running in from the sideline. here's the link: https://imgur.com/Vyc6fwF. if the whistle wasn't blown, it's entirely possible that Edwards recovers. and here's how long it finally takes before it's actually recovered: https://imgur.com/u9nqE3H. in between these two frames the whistle was blown maybe 6-8 times. those two seconds theoretically never existed and are completely unreviewable. the only way they could possibly be considered to have happened is if the refs were to overturn the erroneous whistle, which the rulebook says is unreviewable. those two seconds should never even be shown to the refs, let alone used by the refs to guess what might've happened if they hadn't blown the whistle repeatedly. it really is total BS. and i'm not even complaining for my team or anything like that, all fans of football should want this fixed.

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83 Re: Question about the rules...

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:04pm

FootballZebras is treating this like a run-of-the-mill fumble/nonfumble call, FWIW. http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/12/quick-calls-week-17-liveblog/

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118 Re: Question about the rules...

by Mr Shush // Jan 02, 2019 - 8:02am

I may be wrong, but the rule you quote sounds to me more like "the ref blew the whistle by mistake" than "the ref deliberately blew the whistle but it turns out he shouldn't have". I've never heard of a team having the option to replay the down in a similar situation, which leads me to think the rule is intended for something else.

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63 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:39pm

Frank Reich is rightly praised for being aggressive, but I found one of the decisions early in the game to be pretty inexcusable. they were facing a third and medium and decided to run the ball. This led to 4 and 2 which led to a slant route run by a running back.

I just don't understand this sequence of the play calling but it kind of scares me going forward. It was a weirdly conservative decision that led to a high-leverage moment. I didn't like the idea of throwing to a running back on 4th down either, especially when no one is confusing that running back for Alvin kamara.

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64 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Dec 31, 2018 - 3:46pm

Gulp, I am finally on the "Fire Tomlin" bandwagon. Note, that doesn't mean I'm going to explain away all of his success story one big con. But the Steelers missing the playoffs is inexcusable. Not winning that Cleveland game when it was being coached by Hue Jackson is inexcusable. Losing to the Raiders is inexcusable.

This team imo when motivated is as good as any team in the NFL. A total shame they aren't in.

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93 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by BJR // Dec 31, 2018 - 8:25pm

Some pretty explosive stuff coming out today regarding Antonio Brown, who according to reports was not in fact injured yesterday, but scratched for disciplinary reasons. Seems as though a locker room situation has been brewing for a while, which boiled over last week. Locker room disharmony never reflects well on a head coach, but I suppose Tomlin gets some kudos for having the courage to scratch Brown for a critical game. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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107 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 01, 2019 - 8:43am

Antonio pulled a Malcolm Butler, huh?

Shame the Steelers season ended because his position group was ineffectual.

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67 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by big10freak // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:11pm

It's kind of impressive work by the NFL that once again the officiating being so consistently a huge factor in any number of games with calls that are obviously wrong and somehow it's baked into the sport so there are intermittent outbursts by the viewers but the quality doesn't improve.

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68 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:31pm

I hope one day Penalties become reviewable. It may not improve overall officiating, but it might help mitigate the worst offenses.

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72 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by BJR // Dec 31, 2018 - 4:49pm

The implementation of full-time professional referees should help (how on Earth has that taken until now?). Another thing that would help is younger officials. I'm constantly amazed that amateur dudes in their 60s are being asked to do this job; little wonder they often screw up.

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87 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by scraps // Dec 31, 2018 - 6:25pm

And yet, I remember the last time there were replacement refs (how could I not? I'm a Seahawks fan). And, you know, they were terrible, to the point where their terribleness was a leading cause to end the work stoppage right there (in Seattle, if they only could).

The refs we have maybe is the best we've got.

(Although, hmm, the scab refs were arguably not the best, if many of the best refs not working for the NFL refused to be scabs..... I don't remember now.)

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90 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by BJR // Dec 31, 2018 - 7:55pm

I don't recall who or where the replacement refs came from, but no, I wouldn't expect guys used to reffing high school games, pulled in at a moment's notice, to be anywhere near as good as the regular refs. That doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire for something better than the regular refs.

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120 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by PatsFan // Jan 02, 2019 - 2:08pm

I doubt full-time refs will make any real difference at all.

It's not like the not-full-time refs sit on their asses re: football during the week or in the off-season. Read Peter King's week with Sterartore's (Corrente's?) team.

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121 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Will Allen // Jan 02, 2019 - 2:56pm

I think younger guys would help some. The job requires being physicslly in the right position, and seeing clearly. Guys 50 and older are unlikely to be at their peak with regard to those actvities.

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122 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by theslothook // Jan 02, 2019 - 7:37pm

I think experience matters a lot though too. I think people underestimate how difficult it is to judge the game in real time. That's why I think replay would make sense. It would blunt the impact of wrongful calls in high leverage situations.

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95 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by t.d. // Dec 31, 2018 - 9:10pm

Other than KC, there are no 'special' teams in the AFC, so I can't imagine second-guessing a playoff spot for the Colts. Hell, they have as good a case as anyone for being the second-best team in the conference. It seems like standard operating procedure for the Pats to sit back and let other teams beat themselves (and it could easily happen again, especially if they don't have to leave Foxboro), but at least this year the playoff teams seem to line up well the well-coached teams (other than the Texans). I've thought the NFC has been superior for most of the last decade (but the AFC has benefitted from an easier path to a championship), butthis seems like the most wide-open season I can remember (the only team that'd shock me if they won it all would be the Cowboys; everybody else seems like they have a good chance)

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100 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by MC2 // Dec 31, 2018 - 11:09pm

I find it odd to see FO parroting the conventional wisdom about how the Bears should be afraid of playing the "defending champion" Eagles. This is the same injury-riddled Eagles team that, less than a month ago, everyone and their brother was writing off. And now, suddenly, they're the team that nobody wants to play? I would expect this sort of "what have you done lately" analysis from the likes of ESPN, but not FO.

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104 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Chip // Jan 01, 2019 - 1:32am

Amen brother.

I struggle to see why there’s so much love for the Iggles given what DVOA says (weighted, season long, simply VOA). Seems to be a hot winning streak / momentum more than anything.

Trubisky has played v poorly in prime time games (week 1 vs GB, 2 vs SEA, 12 vs DET on Thanksgiving, 14 vs LARM, and even with a national audience like against NE). So public perception still is pretty poor of him, particularly after last year’s debacle. And elite Defense is “hard to see”, that is it’s not a premier fantasy football position so few people care.

I don’t Nagy and the Bears will take PHI for granted. Should be a great game.

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106 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Jan 01, 2019 - 5:25am

Yeah, but that's what we all said at this time last year, too.

(It just so happens we were right to say it then, actual results notwithstanding, and we're right to say it again now!)

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109 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 01, 2019 - 8:46am

Bad news for Trubisky is every game here on out is a national game.

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108 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 01, 2019 - 8:45am

They’ve actually gotten a bunch of guys back into form in recent weeks.

They’ve also started getting turnovers again, which was missing all season.

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110 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by MC2 // Jan 01, 2019 - 10:37am

Yeah, they've been on a hot streak recently. But there's no particular reason to expect it to continue, unless you accept the extremely dubious idea that Foles is a lot better than Wentz. Otherwise, it makes more sense to trust the 13 games of data that say they're a mediocre team, instead of the 3 games of data that say they're serious contenders.

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111 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 01, 2019 - 11:36am

I’m not saying they’re favorites. I’m saying it’s not ridiculous.

This is still the same roster as last year.

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117 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by MC2 // Jan 02, 2019 - 1:03am

Oh, I agree that they have a chance. I just think almost everyone is overestimating that chance.

Specifically, against the Bears, I'd probably give them (at best) about a 1 in 3 chance, although that's mostly based on the possibility of Trubisky crapping his pants, and even then, it's not a lock that the Eagles would win (the Bears already beat a good team, the Rams, even with Trubisky playing very poorly).

On the other hand, if they do beat the Bears, I would give them almost no chance of going into New Orleans and beating the Saints (something no team has done in the playoffs in the entire Brees/Payton era). I'd say a 10% chance sounds about right for that one.

So, definitely less than a 5% chance of even getting to the CG. And that's only halfway to a repeat. In fact, out of all 12 playoff teams, I would probably give the Eagles the least chance of winning it all. The road they have to travel is much tougher than last year, and they don't seem to be nearly as good this year.

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119 Re: Audibles at the Line: Week 17

by Aaron Brooks Good Twin // Jan 02, 2019 - 12:09pm

The original post was about their odds against the Bears, though, not against NO in NO.

I think the Eagles can beat the Bears, although they match up terribly against NO, unless they plan to win a SB-style shoot out where the last team to turn the ball over loses.

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