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Week 5 Open Discussion Thread

Week 5 kicks off with a doozy as the 3-1 Rams visit Seattle to play the 3-1 Seahawks on Thursday night. Loser risks falling a game and a half back of San Francisco in the division, pending the undefeated 49ers hosting the 2-2 Browns on Monday night. In between, you've got Jags-Panthers, Bucs-Saints, Bears-Raiders, Packers-Cowboys, and Colts-Chiefs on Sunday night. Plus, a battle of winless teams between Arizona and Cincinnati that will be critical for draft positioning. Use this thread to discuss them all.  

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143 comments, Last at 07 Oct 2019, 10:42pm

1 That Wilson to Lockett TD…

That Wilson to Lockett TD pass was something else! Wonder that the percentage odds are of a completion, say if they threw that 1000 times?

2 Stat padding

I think Wilson is the league leader on the delta between expected completion percentage and actual completed percentage. If memory serves, there's a version of the stat based on distance downfield and a version based on each players' location, and he's tops in both.

3 The Skycam tracking shot of…

The Skycam tracking shot of Metcalf's touchdown there was funny - you didn't even see a defender until the ball was just about in his hands, 50 yards downfield.

4 Seattle lines up to go for…

Seattle lines up to go for it on 4th-and-1 around the Rams 30 inside of 2 minutes. But no, it's the NFL's most annoying coach's call, the old try-to-draw-them-offsides-then-call-a-timeout.

Suitably, the ensuing FG attempt is missed. And then, even better, the Rams march downfield and get a TD with 6 seconds left in the half to turn an 8 point deficit into a 1 point deficit at intermission.

Oh how I wish this exact sequence would play out every single time the try-to-draw-them-offsides tactic is rolled out.

77 Yes, as a seemingly cost…

Yes, as a seemingly cost-free option, even a miniscule chance of success makes it seem reasonable to some coaches.  Doesn't make it any less annoying, though, which is why I celebrate any sequence of negative events that follow the tactic (even if there's no causality between the tactic and the negative events, it still feel cathartic to witness the subsequent debacle).

5 Missed FG by Seattle leads…

Missed FG by Seattle leads to a quick drive by the Rams, aided by a somewhat questionable roughing penalty on Ziggy Ansah (looked to me like he was diving more toward the thighs than knees, but I guess that's potato potato). Seattle defense plays to keep the defenders in front of them, 5 yards deep in the endzone - TD Kupp.

Don't really understand kicking the extra point down 2 there. I guess Schottenheimer gonna Schottenheimer.

6 Since the game conversation…

Since the game conversation is slow tonight, seems like a reasonable place to put this... Former FOan Andy Benoit got let go in Sports Illustrated bloodbath today :(

9 So sorry to hear it. Here's…

So sorry to hear it. Here's hoping he lands on his feet.

The slow demise of SI has been so sad. I used to love that magazine. I still (re)read their old features all the time. They just kept making bad decisions (most notably, never fixing their nigh-unusable website).

7 Oof, now the Rams go for 2…

Oof, now the Rams go for 2 up 5, some sort of QB keeper option, Goff is clearly tackled just short (original call notwithstanding) upon review.

On the ensuing possession, Wilson runs a little (improvised?) option with the TE, pitches then fakes like he's going to block before sliding. Defender was not fooled. I get preserving the health of the multibajillion dollar franchise player, but the '90s Packer fan in me just keeps saying, "Favre would've hit that guy" lol.

10 Scary play by Cooks, who…

Scary play by Cooks, who makes a nice catch but in holding on against an aggressive defender wasn't able to use his arms to brace himself and essentially landed directly on his own head.

Insult to injury, 'hawks are challenging that he committed OPI. (No) Call stands. Surrre looked to me like he did, even in real time, but I guess I'm glad they're establishing a really high standard for overturning no/PI. But at this point, the NO-LAR play was less obvious than that one and so probably wouldn't get overturned, and that's what started this whole ordeal. It's almost like making a judgement call reviewable wasn't a good idea, or something.

23 Uh? On what planet was the…

Uh? On what planet was the NO-LAR play less obvious. NO-LAR had a defender, Robey-Coleman, outright tackle a receiver without looking for the ball, and a full beat before the ball got there. You can find 20 plays every week just like the Cooks play with receivers and CB's handfighting.

36 I will agree, though, that…

I will agree, though, that it's the NFC Championship game error level that they seem to be aiming at for PI challenges.  As you say, the Cooks play last night was borderline, judgement call territory, and I'm glad these generally aren't getting overturned.

40 I completely agree that the…

I completely agree that the replay system has been totally capricious up until this point. Seattle was the beneficiary of a very surprising overturn against Cincy, which wasn't much more obvious than this one, that they lost. Meanwhile, I remember watching an Eagles defender borderline tackle the green bay receiver with no call. 

12 Brian Schottenheimer of all…

Brian Schottenheimer of all people suddenly begins playcalling with a true 4 down mentality, calling a run on 3rd and goal from the 10 to get some yards and set up a manageable 4th and goal. Wilson improvises, starts to run before making a nice little toss to Carson who nearly drops it he was so wide open.

13 I wish the silly challenge…

I wish the silly challenge system didn't exist at all, and everything simply came down from the booth, as it does during the last two minutes. It would've been very silly for Seattle to not get that interception if they had happened to be out of timeouts or challenges. Coaches also sometimes waste our time with pointless challenges on plays that are obviously not going to be overturned.

14 Thompson makes a fantastic…

Thompson makes a fantastic shoestring interception on a tipped ball.

Ensuing drive, 3rd and 2 after a couple of runs, Wilson tries to run and looks like he isn't going to make it, so he pitches backwards to a teammate. Horrendous, Winstonesque decision that only loses 5 yards, the least-bad outcome there. Decent punt pins the Rams around their own 10, but they're on the move with a bunch of no-huddle dink-and-dunk.

17 When that kick was in the…

When that kick was in the air I thought it had a chance to hit the upright. It barely missed, in any case.

18 Jared Goff has another…

Jared Goff has another massive yardage day in a loss. He's now over 900 yards in the past two games. I wouldn't be surprised if no one has had more yards over two games, and his team didn't win once.

29 I'm surprised there are that…

I'm surprised there are that many QBs who managed to lose two games in those circumstances. Obviously you can end up throwing for tons of yards if your team is behind, but most 500-yard games have come in winning efforts. Phil Simms doing it is pretty crazy considering how different offense was in that era. I looked it up and he achieved that feat in 1985... and still failed to break 4000 yards on the season.

19 Oof. Rams miss the FG by…

Oof. Rams miss the FG by about 3 inches, 'hawks win a squeaker on a squeaker.

Really evenly-played game overall. Some great plays and some bad mistakes on both sides.

Wilson had a 151 rating, 4 TDs, no picks, 1 sack, 268 yards... on 23 attempts. Compared to 43 (forty-three!) runs (although 8 of those were Wilson). I guess it worked, technically, but they should've lost, and that disparity would've been reason #1.

20 The rams problems the last 2…

The rams problems the last 2 weeks are defense related. Too many missed tackles and let Wilson scramble instead of sacking him.

24 Even in this era of offense,…

Even in this era of offense, if you score 40 points (33 on offense), and 29 points, you should go 2-0 over that stretch, instead of 0-2. Still, as a rams fan it's actually the best game they played all year, in my opinion. 

34 QB Contain

It's absolutely exasperating to watch your team play Wilson and have him slip away like that - it's hard to imagine for that it's actually repeatable but he's certainly shown that it is. I do think without doubt it represents a failure of the Rams pass rushers that all night they were giving up lane integrity to get a one-handed shot at the QB - it looked a bit like they didn't pay nearly enough attention to the scouting report.

39 Bernie

Ahh, the last shining Bernie Kosar year (although not for team success) before the diminishing skills era. Early Bernie was a ton of fun to watch, I would be interested to hear how the FO crowd sees 1980s football, looking back some time. 

42 Patriots Schedule

The Patriots will hold the Redskins to under 10 points this afternoon. Is anyone going to challenge them before Week 9? Probably not - It's like a free pass for Brady and company.

46 CHI-OAK

Raiders with a decent opening drive but after they get stopped on 3rd down Incognito takes a dumbass personal foul that takes them out of FG range.

47 Some strange and irritating…

Some strange and irritating scheduling decisions by the NFL today. We have ten early games and just two late games. It's already frustrating when the split is something like 8-4, but 10-2 is just absurd. In TV land a large portion of the country is being shown the Patriots-Redskins game. NE is 16.5 point favorites in that game. Who wants to watch what will likely be a boring blowout? I would rank that game one of the worst of the ten available.

48 Winston threw a terrible…

Winston threw a terrible interception but was bailed out by a delay of game penalty. Winston, distilled.

49 Lamar Jackson is Russell…

Lamar Jackson is Russell Wilson reprised. They both just look so calm and relaxed in the pocket, and they're both really good at avoiding hits, especially the hard kind, both in the pocket and when scrambling.

51 NO returner fumbled a punt,…

NO returner fumbled a punt, looked like maybe the TB guy got to it but after review it was determined "there was no clear recovery", NO ball. Almost immediately Bridgewater throws slightly behind to Kamara on a slant, he muffs the (not easy) catch, ball goes up and gets picked by TB, setting them up at almost the exact position they would've been at if they'd been awarded the fumble recovery. A couple of plays later, Good Winston makes a Favreian scramble-throw just at the line of scrimmage to hit Howard for a nice score.

52 NO answers, marching right…

NO answers, marching right down the field on a few nice throws by Bridgewater, and another by Taysom Hill.

TB's defense is supposedly good (this is my first extended look at them) and Bridgewater has looked quite good against them early on. Over 100 yards already, good decision-making and most of his throws have been right on the money.

54 Patriots offense looking…

Patriots offense looking very .. tame again this week. Brady with a second straight week with an INT deep in the red zone. Washington is right in this game.

55 Anyone watching chi-oak:…

Anyone watching chi-oak: which side has Khalil Mack been rushing from? I'm curious which Raiders tackle has been handling him.

It's kind of funny that the pre-game coverage was playing this as a "revenge" game. I mean, maybe the guy liked living in Oakland and didn't want to move, but I bet he prefers playing for a playoff team to the Raiders.

58 I like the new procedure of…

I like the new procedure of leaving the helmet on and removing the facemask. Even if it wasn't any safer for the player, it sure looks scary and maybe this will help raise awareness among fans about how dangerous the game is. At least until we get used to scenes like this after it's happened a hundred times.

61 I felt the pain there. Worse…

I felt the pain there. Worse, he hit his head hard on the field after being knocked out, which is even more brain damage. Seemed like a pretty clear head hunting hit, considering that Rudolph didn't lower his head to initiate contact or anything like that.

63 Down by 7 with 6:35 to go…

Down by 7 with 6:35 to go the Titans face fourth and four on the Bills 35. Cairo Santos is 0-3 on FGs on the day (one was blocked). The Titans decide to kick and Santos misses again. Terrible, terrible decision by Tennessee. Even with a great kicker that's a questionable decision since it leaves you still needing a TD with limited time left. With a kicker who's already missed three times on the day? Really dumb.

64 Raiders go for it on fourth…

Raiders go for it on fourth and 1 on their own 27 down by 4. I think that's the right call but I doubt many coaches would make it. I didn't think Gruden would be one of the ones who would.

65 The box score says the…

The box score says the Cardinals kicker has 3 FGs, with a long of 23 yards. For all the things Kingsbury seems to be doing well, his ultraconservatism in the red zone is getting concerning.

72 He also called a pass behind…

He also called a pass behind the line of scrimmage with 14 seconds to go on first and goal. When the pass was complete but failed to result in a touchdown, the Cardinals had to spike the ball to send out the kicker instead of having at least one and maybe two more downs to try to get a touchdown.

68 Cowboys were moving…

Cowboys were moving downfield with little problem against GB until Cooper bobbles a pass slightly behind him which bounces off his hands into Alexander's. Had Dak been on target, it's a huge gain by Cooper and he may even have scored. Instead, it looks like a great play by the Packers when it's really blown coverage.

69 De'Vante Bausby out for the…

De'Vante Bausby out for the Broncos with a scary-looking neck injury. That's really sad, he was one of the AAF success stories so far. He's been solid at CB, and I was hoping he could keep holding down the fort until Callahan gets healthy.

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71 Tuned into the Packer game…

Tuned into the Packer game just in time to see my mancrush Alexander get torched by Cooper. Although he was able to run Cooper down from behind, saving the TD - silver linings, I guess. Hey, Champ Bailey would occasionally get beat deep too!

Had to step away for awhile and missed the rest of the Saints game. Judging from the stats, the Buc's never found an answer to Bridgewater (no sacks!). If he stays healthy he's probably in line for a big contract his offseason. I'd imagine the Saints will want him back, but if Brees returns, would Bridgewater be willing to sit another year, when other potentially competitive teams (Bears come to mind) might be willing to let him start? He's not that young anymore, time's a-ticking.

I did catch the end of the Bears game. Daniel had a couple of Trubisky-esque throws to seal the loss (one I believe was overturned on penalty). Maybe it's the coaching...

73 Packers offense has looked…

Packers offense has looked really good and this looks like the offense we were promised when LaFleur was hired with lots of misdirection and more running. The defense, OTOH, has given up yardage but gotten a couple picks. This is not sustainable.

K Mason Crosby pulled up limp off his last kickoff. Could be significant if this is close.

Currently waiting on a reply, but it looks like Rodgers fumbled on the replay. I wish it were an incomplete pass, but it looks like the ball is slipping out before he tries to push it which is why it didn't go where he wanted.

Edit: Called an incomplete pass, but it was on third down so Packers punt anyway. I'm glad I'm not a Cowboys fan because I'd be pissed by now. 

74 Packers going down like…

Packers going down like dominoes with injuries. Starting center Lindley left with a possible concussion. #3 TE Tonyan also injured. Now, rookie FS Savage looks badly hurt. If he goes down, there's no adequate backup.

75 Aaron Jones caught a short…

Aaron Jones caught a short desperation pass and put on some slick open-field moves to turn it into about a 20 yard gain. I will always believe there is a parallel universe out there where the Saints had Reggie Bush run that kind of play 30 times a game, and he's on his way to Cooperstown.

79 They aren't quite at the…

They aren't quite at the level of the Falcons, but the Chargers have to be one of the biggest disappointments of the season so far. Luckily, they play in the AFC, where it's not clear who's actually good outside of the Patriots and the Chiefs. Those two and the Bills are the only teams who are going to finish the week more than a game over .500.

83 You're right, and it's an…

You're right, and it's an issue.

AFC North:

CIN, PIT: QB issues

CLE: Not the story we bought in preseason.

Ravens skate by the 3rd stringer of PIT.  Not a good look.

AFC South:

The entire division is smoke and mirrors (and mustaches).

And so KC and NE are looking like near-locks to get the byes and who is seriously challenging either team in Rnd 2?  Buffalo winning in KC?  The Miraculous Mustache winning @ NE?

Feels like the next 8-13 weeks are a largely a formality, with week 14 being the deciding factor in where the AFCCG is played.

 

82 Owners of Aaron Jones in…

Owners of Aaron Jones in fantasy leagues are going to be very happy this week as he's just scored his fourth TD today.

84 Brutal PI on Brown: he's…

Brutal PI on Brown: he's beat badly deep, but Rodgers massively underthrows the ball, receiver slows down so abruptly Brown just runs into him. Deserved, but it was mostly the fault of the bad ball (of course, a better throw is probably a TD).

Returning the favor, Prescott is hit as he throws and the wobbly duck ends up where his guy can catch it, right at the goal line. Tramon Williams kept close coverage, surprisingly, but wasn't able to bat it away, and Dallas finally has a TD.

85 I can't believe it's still…

I can't believe it's still the third quarter. Lots of penalties and injuries, and a lopsided score, have made this slooooowwwwwww.

86 Lmao, Jason Garrett spikes…

Lmao, Jason Garrett spikes the challenge flag at the official and gets an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, undoing a big chunk of the gain from the challenge (which he should win, very nice catch by Cooper on the sideline). Haven't seen a coach get a penalty in awhile.

87 Wow did Dallas get bailed…

Wow did Dallas get bailed out by some officiating there. Bad snap hits Randall Cobb in motion, recovered by GB... except they had thrown the flag for false start, no play (didn't quite understand what they called the penalty on there). The very next play, a bad Prescott throw gets tipped and picked... except TWO fouls on the defense, hands to the face (probably deserved) and some sort of unsportsmanlike conduct that I didn't see even on replay. Maybe the guy said something untoward. Elliott capitalizes, got hit behind the line of scrimmage but just ran the guy over for the TD. Suddenly it's a 2 possession game with most of the 4th left.

UPDATE: they just showed a much more clear replay of the false start, and only the center DIDN'T move. Snapped it late, hence hitting the man in motion. Woof. Yeah, that was the right call.

104 Oooh man. If I were a…

Oooh man. If I were a betting man, I think I'd bet Gruden, because Snyder, but he might be the least-deserving of the 3 (not that he's not deserving, but that's a bad roster no matter who's on the sideline).

91 Phew! Denver holds on to win…

Phew! Denver holds on to win!

I agree with what Romo was saying at the end, I've been saying similar things here. The Broncos aren't a bad team! They're somewhere around average, but they've been getting bad breaks all year and they're not quite good enough to overcome them. Today they got a few notable good breaks, and they won.

92 I don't really watch the…

I don't really watch the Cowboys, but I had thought Prescott was more accurate than I've seen today. He just threw his third INT.

96 That third INT should have…

That third INT should have been defensive pass interference, but Dallas had no challenges left.  Garrett wasted one that clearly was never getting overturned.  Not that he should have had to challenge this one, it was a pretty egregious mugging.  Not sure how the officials missed it.