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Pro Football Hall of Fame 2021 Finalists Revealed

Fifteen Modern-Era Player Finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2021 include four first-year eligible players. Quarterback Peyton Manning, wide receiver Calvin Johnson, defensive back Charles Woodson and defensive end Jared Allen are in their first years of eligibility.

The 2021 Modern-Era Player Finalists with their positions, years and teams, as announced on NFL Network on Tuesday:

  • Jared Allen, DE – 2004-2007 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-2015 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
  • Ronde Barber, DB – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • Tony Boselli, T -- 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve)
  • LeRoy Butler, S -- 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
  • Alan Faneca, G -- 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
  • Torry Holt, WR -- 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
  • Calvin Johnson, WR – 2007-2015 Detroit Lions
  • John Lynch, FS -- 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
  • Peyton Manning, QB – 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts, 2012-2015 Denver Broncos
  • Clay Matthews, LB – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-1996 Atlanta Falcons
  • Sam Mills, LB -- 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
  • Richard Seymour, DE/DT -- 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
  • Zach Thomas, LB -- 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
  • Reggie Wayne, WR -- 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
  • Charles Woodson, DB – 1998-2005, 2013-2015 Oakland Raiders, 2006-2012 Green Bay Packers
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46 comments, Last at 11 Jan 2021, 9:41am

2 Dunno what Patrick Willis…

Dunno what Patrick Willis needs to do to get on the finalist ballot!

My five here would be...Manning, Wayne, Faneca, Thomas, Woodson.  But there are more than five Hall of Famers on this ballot; we need a double year or something to clear some ranks.


4 SMH at yall

Woodson, Butler, Faneca, Manning, doesn't matter

5 If I can only pick 5, it…

If I can only pick 5, it would be Manning, Allen, Woodson, Johnson and Barber.

I think Faneca, Seymour and Mills are worthy as well.

6 Why is Allen left off so…

Why is Allen left off so much?


Also, when we mention the very best to 5 receivers, CJ will be mentioned. That right there is first ballot material.


Manning, Woodson, Allen, Fanaca, Willis

7 Most of these players should…

Most of these players should be in the Hall of Fame.  Though, I don't understand why Tony Boselli is a Finalist.  Charles Tillman should have been a Finalist.

8 Manning, Johnson, Faneca,…

Manning, Johnson, Faneca, Woodson, Thomas.

Re: Allen, I'm not sure, but it never seemed like he was the premier edge rusher of his era.

11 He almost broke the sack…

He almost broke the sack record you know. And the Bears were pretty egregious about ensuring he didn't in week 17. Ie - basically double teaming him with chips added on, bootlegs away from him. He was vocally pissed about it afterwards. 


15 For a 5 year period 2007…

For a 5 year period 2007-2011, Allen led the NFL in sacks twice and finished second another time, and never finished outside the top-10. He is I believe a very close second to DeMarcus Ware in total sacks during that time, 77.5-80 (Ware also led the NFL in sacks twice in that frame). If Allen wasn't "the" premiere pass-rusher during that span, it's only because he was tied with Ware for that honor. He ought to be as slam-dunk a candidate as Ware will be.

(Incidentally, Allen only trails Ware in career sacks by those same 2.5, 136-138.5.)

17 That was my sense of it as…

That was my sense of it as well. a few threads ago the topic of Jared Allen and how he rates compared to his contemporaries was brought up. I felt like only DeMarcus Ware had a clear argument in his favor. The rest I thought Allen was either right there with or flat out better. 

Frankly I'm astonished to see that it's just you and me and a few others who feel like Jared Allen is a no-brainer. I'm not really sure what the counter argument is, other than he wasn't as good as some of the all-time great pass rushers which is a patently silly standard to hold him to

18 I have no idea. He was All…

I have no idea. He was All-Pro 4 times, it's not like he languished in total obscurity. Maybe it's because his best years occurred on teams mostly known for offense?

I'll say too, as a Packers fan, of all the great pass rushers in the NFC North/Central over the last few decades - Mack, Suh, Sapp, Rice, etc. - he was the one I dreaded facing the most.

19 Allen has this strange aura…

Allen has this strange aura which I can only describe as "rightly underestimated." Where I acknowledge that his talent was underestimated and underappreciated, but that also feels like the correct reaction.

I think this may relate to a phenomenon you see with players evaluating other players and which ones they feared. Players tend to fear and respect physical marvels more than intellectual or skill marvels. Collinsworth described this -- players fear being made to look like fools.

Ask Brian Bosworth what getting trucked on MNF by Bo Jackson does for your career legacy. Or crushed by Earl Campbell. Or being de-jocked by Barry Sanders or Michael Vick (or Lamar Jackson). Or dunked on by an Irvin or a TO.

But it's okay to be picked apart by a machine. Hole-in-zone doesn't have a legacy or reputation to protect, so the same dude just methodically taking a defense apart is a team failure, not a single guy getting shamed. Jerry Rice just got open; it wasn't like stole Darrell Green's soul.

I think this happens with Allen. He didn't look like much. He wasn't a mutant. He didn't just punk guys and make them look foolish. He was effective, but it was a workmanlike sort of effectiveness. It was the kind of success that doesn't ruin another guy's legacy.

He also spent most of his career on bad teams in the hinterlands. He was on the Edwards/Huard Chiefs, and then the broken-diaper Metrodome Vikings. He had one great team -- that first Favre year with the Vikings. The rest of his career was spent with Frerotte and Ponder and Cassel and the post-fucks Cutler/Trestman Bears. He played on teams whose defense you didn't want to watch because their offense was somnabulistic. He sort of got forgotten.

20 There are three reasons I…

There are three reasons I remember Jared Allen so well.

First time I heard of him was from Dr Z, who was excoriating lazy journalism. One of the journalists saw that he went to Iowa and assumed his success owed to tough Midwestern upbringing, and in reality he grew up in Los Gatos California which resides next to the town I grew up in. And let me tell you, neither even comes close to "gritty, tough" environments.

The second reason I remember him because he was part of the famed Vikings defensive line of the 2000s - Williams Wall plus Jared Allen, which was mostly wasted due to bad offense and bad secondary.

The third reason I remember him is because the Chiefs traded him and then the next year their defense put up the lowest sack record in history I believe. 


33 Sack stat overrated?

Problem is that there have been too many pass rushers in recent years.  Allen was certainly one of the best of them, but it's a large set of people.

Boz was overrated coming out of college and all the Bo Jackson hit did was deflate an image that was already diminishing.  He wasn't a great pro and certainly wasn't in the same tier as Allen.  

He's a finalist and many other deserving players don't make it this far.  I'll keep pushing for the Hall to increase its acceptance rate.

It's funny - a couple days ago I had a discussion about how Dwight Howard is apparently a lock for the Basketball Hall of Fame.  Howard basically stopped being an elite player at the age of 28 and has coasted by every since for another 8 years.  But his early career was so dominant he's considered a lock.  If I translated Dwight Howard's career to the NFL or MLB, he wouldn't have a sniff of the Hall of Fame.  But, relatively speaking, basketball inducts a lot more players as a percentage of the league than the NFL does.  


31 lol

I like how you think it's "egregious" that the Bears had the temerity to block a pass rusher.

39 Well, they should block him…

In reply to by RickD

Well, they should block him. But the point was, they did everything they could, including sub optimally running their offense, to make sure he specifically did not get the record. Since rarely do people ever remember the team the record was set on( I don't remember which team Dan Marino threw his 48 td on), it is egregious that they robbed him of any chance.

9 My choices

Manning, Woodson, Johnson are no-brainers in my book.

In the process, they clear off 5 of these to get it down to 10. To me, the 5 that shouldn't get in this year (not that they weren't great players--they are just #11-15 in this group) are: Boselli, Butler, Lynch, Matthews, and Wayne.

Looking at the rest, I would choose Faneca and any of Mills, Seymour, or Allen for #5--personally, I would choose Mills, but I am biased as a life-long Saints fan. 

Edit: I don't get the love for Lynch at all. Sapp and Brooks were definitely the stars of that Bucs D, and are already in the Hall. If a third defender deserves to be in from that defense, Barber gets my vote, not Lynch. (Again, not that he wasn't good--just not Hall-worthy, in my book.)

23 One of these things is not like the others

In reply to by Joseph

Lynch is the perfect example of a player getting in on something other than merit. He was very good. A lot of NFL players are very good. But I don't ever remember any coordinator, coach, or player first saying they were worried what Lynch might do against them. That Tampa defense was loaded. Yes, their defense would have been worse if they didn't have someone as good as Lynch was there. That's not a HoF résumé. And voting him in over Butler would, as far as I'm concerned, invalidate anyone who approved Lynch on that committee from ever being taken seriously as a football journalist. 

I also don't get the love for Boselli. Yes, his career was tragically cut short by injury. But it's not like he's the only great player to have the happen. The Packers alone lost potential HoF'ers Nick Collins and Sterling Sharpe to career ending injuries. I'm betting most teams have similar candidates (Andrew Luck and Bo Jackson come to mind). 

28 "voting him [Lynch] in over…

"voting him [Lynch] in over Butler would, as far as I'm concerned, invalidate anyone who approved Lynch on that committee"

Seriously?  I think you're really overestimating the difference between Lynch and Butler (might be those Green n Gold spectacles)

I agree with your statement that " I don't ever remember any coordinator, coach, or player first saying they were worried what Lynch might do against them", but I think that the same is true of Butler.  I, slightly tongue in cheek, suggested that arguing about which safeties belong in the HoF is only a small step above arguing about punters, and this illustrates that point - apart from Ed Reed, and perhaps Polamalu - nobody is ever worried about the safety - it's simply not an impact position that you need to worry about.

That doesn't mean that there aren't good safeties, or that there isn't a difference between players at that position - of course there are - but the safety is never the best player on the defense (wasn't nobody worrying about Butler with Reggie on the same defense).

I'm not even saying that Butler isn't better than Lynch - just that there maybe isn't the clear blue water between the two that you seem to think there is

As someone that was watching the league pretty closely in that period, following the NFC as a 49ers fan, and close friends with both a Packers fan and a Bucs fan, I would probably put them in the same bucket, and I'd need to do some pretty serious film study to try to put a marker between them

And I still wouldn't vote either of them into the Hall :)

32 but the safety is never the…

but the safety is never the best player on the defense (wasn't nobody worrying about Butler with Reggie on the same defense).

Freeney's supporters would disagree, but Bullet Bob probably was the best defender on the Colts. His body couldn't cash his style checks for long, though.

Earl Thomas might have been the best defender on the Legion of Boom.

38 Who is a Hall of Fame safety…

Who is a Hall of Fame safety right now? Thomas should get in and will.

You can make an argument for Harrison Smith, but there's no one else I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe Tyranny Mathieu though I think that's a stretch.  Mcourty? 

42 Christiansen, Dawkins,…

Christiansen, Dawkins, Dillon, Easley, Harris, Houston, Krause, Lary, Lott, Polamalu, Reed, Renfro, Robinson, Shell, Tunnell, Williams, Wilson, Wood, Woodson.

A few guys split time at CB/S.

40 This

Also Mike Shanahan has admitted to gameplanning around Butler in the SUPER BOWL.

Oh and he created the most famous celebration that adds on to his hall of fame resume.

44 I think it's clear Butler…

I think it's clear Butler was a better player than Lynch. I don't think it's leaps and bounds. End of career Lynch had a chance to show he could play well for a different team and did well. However both had played for multiple head coaches and D coordinators on TB and GB and both had already shown the ability to thrive in those multiple environments. Those are important things for trying to judge a player in a vacuum. 

The Case for Butler
PFF's AV has issues, but few people probably realize that LeRoy Butler led the NFL, not just his team, in AV in 1996. His career wasn't all just 2nd best player on the team to White either. White was a Packer from 1993 - 1998.  Butler was 1990 - 2001. He was great with and without White. As has been mentioned Butler was the focus of a gameplan sure it would have been better for his legacy had they won, but it's a direct contradiction to "wasn't nobody worrying about Butler with Reggie on the same defense" since that 97 team had them both.

I'm OK with the idea that neither should be in the HoF because of positional value though I do think Butler should get in and in before Lynch. 

Lynch avoided the career ending injury and managed 15 seasons (93-07). Butler did not and injury took him out in 2001 so he was only 12 (90-01).  They overlapped a lot of their careers and they both had excellent team mates at times so you don't need a lot of adjustments for that. Despite 3 fewer seasons Butler beats him out in most traditional cumulative stats and nearly all rate stats. 

  • Butler has 38 INT vs 26 for Lynch.
  • Butler has 20.5 sacks vs 13.0 for Lynch.
  • Lynch does get him FF 16 to 13 but at a slightly lower yearly rate 1.07 to 1.08.
  • Butler has 126 AV, Lynch 122.
  • Butler averaged 74 tackles a year, Lynch 70.6.
  • Butler was All Pro 4 times, Lynch 2 twice. Though Lynch was Pro Bowl 9 (4 times AFC, 5 times NFC) times to only 4 for Butler, though Lynch did get 5 of those after Butler no longer playing as well. All of Butlers came while Lynch was in the league.

Pass defensed and tackle for loss doesn't start till 99 on PFF so I can't check those sadly. But I'd be confident in Butler leading in those too. Scheme matters for a safety like any other player so I get those stats, as well as the ones I listed, have issues as well.

Is it that much better?
Now all that said is there clear blue water between them as you pointed out? Perhaps not. Longevity at a good level does matter and Lynch was still a good if not great player, when he finished. Butler at 11 seasons was sufficiently long enough of a career though and since he leads in most counting stats and rate stats it's fairly safe to say either his peak was significantly higher or his floor was higher or a bit of both. Since TB was in the NFC Central with GB for all of Butler's career I did get to see them both playing. Butler to me was the better player, he had a higher floor and a higher ceiling. I do wear green and gold glasses though.

Now to support your points. If I had to swap Butler and Lynch how much does it matter due to the positional value of safety? I think the Packers are a slightly worse team with Lynch, and the Bucs are a slightly better team. It might flip a game or two over 5 seasons because they were both players that could and did make signature plays, that ended drives or sealed a victory and I think Butler made just a few more of those. It probably doesn't change SB results. It probably doesn't even equal a full game a year. 

General issues with the HoF process
The issue with the HoF and positional value though is that a lot of positions suffer that way. If you swap the the best guard in the league for the 2nd best it probably changes a game or two total over 5 years. It probably doesn't change a full game a year on average, just like with my Lynch/Butler swap. Even going with a deeper swap the best for the 10th best at positions like guard or safety or defensive tackle. Likely the same. You swap the best and 10th best QB or WR and you probably do change at least one game a season. But does that mean the HoF should only be edge rushers, QB, WR, some offensive tackles, an occasional CB, and LB?   

Safeties have hidden value. Amos and Savage are a big part of why GB this was 9th in yardage allowed and 13th in points allowed and not sub 20 like they were for most of the 2010's. Guards have hidden valued, since I'm green and gold tinted, Jenkins and Patrick are part of why Rodgers had his lowest sack rate of his career. The best of the best do deserve recognition. I'm OK with there being fewer, but there should be some.

Butler was the best player in the NFL in 96 by AV, a flawed metric, but not completely worthless. He was the admitted focus of a Super Bowl game plan, he played on multiple top rated defenses. He was a 4 time All-Pro. For a position with lower relative value those are reasons to make the HoF. Lynch shares some of those same arguments and can make a few Butler can't (longer career, more PB, PB in both conferences). I think he should probably get in too, but I also think Butler should already be in and Lynch shouldn't get in before him.

13 Reggie Wayne is my second…

Reggie Wayne is my second favorite player ever. He was the consummate professional but I'm not sure he's a first ballot Hall of famer.

He was the Robert Mathis for the Colts, a very very good player who played opposite an all time player in a very favorable situation. I love Reggie, will be happy he gets in, but I'm still a bit astonished he's going ahead of Cj or Allen.

14 As a Packer guy

have to root for Woodson and Butler.  The former is an obvious selection.  The latter should have been selected previously, but I have to believe at some point will get the call.  


Butler was the best or second best player every year on a defense that helped the team win a LOT of games.  When you are second best to Reggie White that is some kind of good.

16 They really need to lift the…

They really need to lift the 5-man cap, this backlog is becoming huge.

My votes are: Peyton, Woodson, Johnson, Allen, Butler

But I predict it will be: Peyton, Woodson, Boselli, Lynch, Wayne

I'm guessing the voters are going to make Johnson wait a year for petty reasons, they seem inexplicably hell-bent on getting Boselli in for some reason, and they also seem to love Lynch far more than anyone did when he was active (I have to wonder if he's very good at lobbying behind-the-scenes; he seems quite media-savvy).

21 Holt vs. Johnson

What is the case for Johnson jumping the line ahead of Holt? 

Here are their career lines:

Holt (11 seasons): 920-13,382-74

Johnson (9 seasons): 731-11,619-83

Holt (first 9 seasons): 805-11,864-71

Holt also tacked on 47-630-4 in 10 postseason games, including averaging 80 ypg during the Rams' SB run, compared to 17-296-2 in 2 playoff losses for Johnson. Johnson's case seems to rest on being a highly feared player, an unquestioned physical talent (some would say the best ever or best along with Moss), and the aura that comes with retiring early while he was still in his prime. But Holt's first 9 seasons are comparable to Johnson's as shown above, and while he may mostly be remembered as a part of the Greatest Show on Turf, most of his career production came from Marc Bulger and the other QBs that followed Warner, including his best year in 2003. He had six straight 1,300 yard seasons, which I think was a record at the time and has since been only matched by Julio. 

22 I guess I never realized the…

I guess I never realized the numbers difference between Holt and Johnson. You could also add that while Holt was in a dramatically better system early on, it was also in an era that was much harder to accumulate receiving yards.

I think you listed the reasons quite well - Johnson has a bigger legend in part because of his early retirement. I would also add that Holt played in a time where there were at least two receivers who were better/three if you include Marvin Harrison while Johnson was the undisputed receiving King during the meat of his prime. 

Holt deserves the hall of fame. I do think Calvin was the better receiver in their primes but I am becoming swayed by your post. 

24 Holt played in arguably the…

Holt played in arguably the friendliest environment imaginable for a WR. QB play that was at least good and often better, a dome stadium, teams that passed a ton, other guys who prevented the defenders from keying on you and often playing against terrible defenses. It was quite striking how quickly he fell off once he no longer had all those things working for him.

25 Johnson broke a major record…

In reply to by jgov

Johnson broke a major record. Holt never seriously approached one.

I do have to say, even when he was active, I always thought Johnson's actual production lagged his reputation a bit (outside of that one year, of course). It wasn't really his fault - those were mostly really bad teams - and it was frankly amazing how little strategy they seemed to have at times: send Johnson out deep, chuck it high at him regardless of the literally three or more defenders hanging off his shoulders, watch him haul it in anyway more often than not. He was probably - hell, definitely - the most physically gifted receiver I've ever seen (as fast and tall as Moss, but a good 30 lbs stronger), and I think if they switched places, Johnson would've broken 2,000 yards in a season with Warner, Faulk, Bruce et al. to join the attack, while Holt would've been closer to Golden Tate numbers in Detroit.

But at the end of the day, they did what they did, and Johnson "only" had four 1300-yard seasons, and "only" 7 1000-yarders total. He "looked like" the best ever when you watched him, and I think at his very peak he was (and he got the yards to show it), but that peak was really short, even within an already-short career. Basically two seasons of all-time-great production, and a lot of "really good, and think of the circumstances".

He'd have my vote over Holt because that tippy-top peak puts him into the "inner circle" of all-time greats for me, but I totally get the argument for Holt's arguably-superior and consistent production over him.

26 I support Johnson but I…

I support Johnson but I agree with you that he’s a bit overrated. He was the main beneficiary of a team that passed the ball an absolute ton which inflated his numbers a bit. 

I’d vote for him, but I’m also going to support Brandon Marshall who I think was a better receiver and has basically no chance of ever getting in

27 I definitely think Johnson…

I definitely think Johnson deserves to get in, but unlike others, wouldn’t consider it some grave injustice if he fails to get in on the first ballot (I can already imagine the howling of Lions fans about East Coast media bias and other such nonsense if he doesn’t).  

He’s missing the stat compiling back end of his career that would shore up his total numbers, which a lot of HOFers have.

Playing for teams that ranged from deeply flawed at best to flat out terrible at worst, both helps and hurts his case.  It hurts him because he didn’t have many opportunities have any signature playoff runs or moments (like Steve Smith’s 2005, Larry Fitzgerald’s, 2008, or multiple Rice years).  It helps him because he was the only player on his team that the opposing defense worried about (in stark contrast to Holt), yet he managed to remain productive.

I actually think his most impressive season was 2008.  He had 1300+ yards and 12 TDs while on one of the worst teams of all time, catching passes primarily from Dan Orlovsky and washed up Daunter Culpepper.   Yes, he benefited from volume, and his efficiency numbers are low (10th in DYAR, 22nd in DVOA), because he was getting a lot of targets in hopeless situations (and was really the only player worth targeting).

34 DVOA over penalizes guys who…

DVOA over penalizes guys who get balls chucked their way when the alternative was chucking the ball OOB. The WR bears the penalty for providing the offense a better result than "throwaway".

41 People say Johnson is…

People say Johnson is overrated, but exactly how? At his best, he was in the argument of the best receiver maybe ever. There was no one like Johnsons as a receiver in NFL history. 

Are his numbers inflated? I would argue yes and no. He played for a Lions team devoid of a true second receiver and that was behind a lot so they threw a lot and a lot went to Johnson. Ok but by the other side of the coin, the Lions had no other option but Johnson(a fact that did not elude any of the defenses he played against) + the offense was uninspiring and uncreative. Maybe that's an indictment on Stafford that they can only run such offenses or an indictment of the Ford's and their hiring process that leaves with the uninspiring. Either way, put Johnson in any creative coaching scheme and we might have an even loftier reputation.

I will also admit, he has a short career but the nature of his short career is somewhat distinguishable. He didn't completely breakdown and die off because of injuries( though he had clearly lost a step by the end); but instead he chose to walk away. There is a sense and I think correct that if he went to another organization, he would have avoided this problem.

In essence, CJ is up to be drafted - how many receivers are you going to choose ahead of him? I can name 2 quite easily, one probably, and then thats it - short career and all. That to me is an obvious hall of famer. 

29 "What is the case for…

"What is the case for Johnson jumping the line ahead of Holt? "

It's the same argument for Moss over Owens (my personal bugbear) - perception and possibility over production.  By all the stats, Moss and Owens were the same guy, but Moss seemed like he could have done more.  That leads a lot of people to rate him higher, but is that reasonable, when what they actually did was the same.

I think others have articulated the same point here for Johnson - he may have only produced as much as Holt did, but it seemed like he could have done more, the narrative is more favourable, and darn it, he just looked better.

Your mileage may vary as to whether this is a compelling case, but it's actually a pretty understandable one, when you account for how irrational us human beings tend to be :(

30 I must say I'm rather…

I must say I'm rather lukewarm on Holt, given 4 of his teammates are already in the HOF. Were they really all independently amongst the very best of all time? The production is the production I guess. 

On that tangent: Reggie Wayne would be the 4th Manning Colt to be inducted (assuming Peyton). But after that there are very few recent offensive teammates I can think of who are guaranteed to make it. Brady/Gronk obvs. Rivers/Gates perhaps. Brees might carry a couple of his linemen with him (Armstead/Evans?). Incredibly Rodgers doesn't seem to have any names that obviously spring to my mind (I could be wrong). Eventually we'll get to Mahomes/Kelce/Hill (Kelce is probably already just about there, but the other two have a ways to go). Surprising given the era of legendary QBs we have recently lived through.  

43 Rodgers played with a…

Rodgers played with a massive collection of Hall of Very Good guys, though.

He almost had a quality WR1 and WR2, but it was made up of a revolving cast of guys, as opposed to a Rice/Taylor or Moss/Carter setup.

\Brees has something similar

36 Owens was a bus-tossing…

Owens was a bus-tossing cancer, which is what slowed his Hall case. If it weren't for the owners sections of the Hall, he might be the worst person in the HOF. And yes, I'm aware the Hall contains murderers and drug dealers.

Moss was more talented than Rice, but less hard-working, which is what killed his GOAT argument.

37 Johnson >> Holt

I'd take Johnson over Holt because Johnson was a better receiver than Holt.

I mean, really.  Holt built up stats because he played on a team that was an offensive monster.  I'm sure Johnson's stats would have been better if he'd had Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, and Isaac Bruce as teammates, not to mention that line.  

I'd take Reggie Wayne over either of them.  


35 my five

Manning, obviously.

Woodson should also get in easily.

Megatron will get in, but I'd induct Reggie Wayne first since he's been waiting.  

I'd add Richard Seymour as the best player on defense of Pats Dynasty Part One

The fifth vote could go to Faneca, Barber, Mills, Johnson,...any of a number.  Zach Thomas, Jared Allen.  

45 Which player at the same position?

A: 24 INT, 5 sacks in 167 games (166 starts)

B: 38 INT, 20.5 sacks in 181 games (165 starts)

C: 32 INT, 12 sacks in 158 games (142 starts)

D: 26 INT, 13 sacks in 224 games (191 starts)