2017 Divisional Round Open Discussion

This week's games are here for you to discuss: Seattle at Atlanta and Houston at New England for Saturday, Pittsburgh at Kansas City and Green Bay at Dallas for Sunday.

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81 comments, Last at 16 Jan 2017, 10:04pm

#1 by Alii // Jan 11, 2017 - 8:53pm

How serious is Roethlisberger's foot injury? Is Blount actually ill and potentially missing in action this week? What injuries will actually affect the outcome of games this week? What's hype and what's not? Ryan or Rodgers for most passing yards? Bell or Elliot for most rushing yards? Brown or Adams for most receiving yards? Except for Patriots, waffling on picks and spreads. In search of a stellar psychic, mine has been placed on waivers.

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#2 by caminante0 // Jan 13, 2017 - 3:12pm

Roethlisberger was not listed on the final injury report so it could not be very serious.

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#4 by ChrisLong // Jan 14, 2017 - 4:08pm

Falcons 30- Seahawks 24
Patriots 31- Texans 3
Packers 38 - Cowboys 30
Steelers 21 - Chiefs 20

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#5 by Mountain Time … // Jan 14, 2017 - 5:27pm

I've long felt the Jimmy Graham trade was one that hurt both teams. His departure marks the end of the peak Brees/Payton era, then the Saints compounded the mistake by trading that other starting receiver to Miami. It's like, how many great receivers can you trade for draft picks and still expect to have a top offense? Especially when you don't get the same value out of those picks. Seems like a classic case of a smart head coach thinking he's a lot smarter than he really is.

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#30 by Raiderjoe // Jan 15, 2017 - 12:15pm

at time of trade stated didnto like it for seahawks. think trading good center is not good thign to do.

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#7 by BJR // Jan 14, 2017 - 6:00pm

Hate that from Carroll right there, not even attempting to move the ball with a minute and 3 timeouts. You aren't playing the Rams today, conservative strategy is not gonna get it done.

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#8 by BJR // Jan 14, 2017 - 6:27pm

And Atlanta go straight down the field with the first possession of the second half. Simply unforgivable to forfeit scoring opportunities in a game of this nature.

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#9 by SFC B // Jan 14, 2017 - 7:18pm

Falcons are looking very tough. Aside from that first drive of the game the Seahawks haven't been able to get anything going, and they weren't able to stop them when it would have mattered.

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#10 by deus01 // Jan 14, 2017 - 7:43pm

Crazy catches seem to be a staple of Seahawks playoff games these days.

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#13 by RickD // Jan 14, 2017 - 7:50pm

How was that last turnover not overturned by replay? Seemed that Willson was on his back before the ball came loose.

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#14 by SFC B // Jan 14, 2017 - 7:53pm

It didn't look like he had possession. One of the Falcons defenders had just as much control of the ball as Baldwin did.

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#15 by Theo // Jan 14, 2017 - 8:32pm

That was a BS pass interference call to keep the Patriots drive alive.
As a neutral fan I wish this game to be equal, but this just uhgh.

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#16 by SFC B // Jan 14, 2017 - 9:41pm

Down 17-13 at the half is probably about as good an outcome as the Texans could have hoped for.

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#17 by BJR // Jan 14, 2017 - 10:05pm

Yes the Texans defense is really doing a good job. I mocked the announcers relentlessly hyping this unit last week when they were facing Connor Cook, but this is impressive. It's a legit scary unit when Watt comes back next year.

Quite what they are going to do about their QB situation, however, I don't know.

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#18 by SFC B // Jan 14, 2017 - 10:39pm

Their QB situation would have looked just a bit better if FUller could catch a ball dropped right into his arms.

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#23 by RickD // Jan 14, 2017 - 11:16pm

Coming out from the half, if you only were listening to Simms, you'd have thought Houston was in command of the game.

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#20 by Steve B // Jan 14, 2017 - 10:57pm

Brock ASSweiler might be the worst QB to start a playoff game. Absolutely awful

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#26 by Steve B // Jan 15, 2017 - 12:20am

Really?! Did you watch the game (or much else of him this season)? Matt Schaub was a HoFer by comparison. Whoever decided it was a good idea to give him that contract fucked up royally.

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#27 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 1:07am

I think most everyone here would agree that Ossweiler is vastly overpaid and isn't a very good QB. However, you called him the worst ever playoff QB. That's a very low bar and I can think of a good half-dozen QBs off the top of my head who were worse QBs to start in a playoff game. I'm also 60, so I've seen a lot of playoff games. A short list:

* Joe Webb
* Scott Hunter
* Tavaris Jackson
* Bob Avellini
* Ryan Lindley
* Danny Kannell
* Quincy Carter
* Todd Marinovich

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#28 by Steve B // Jan 15, 2017 - 1:13am

Your reading comprehension isn't very good. I said he MIGHT be the worst. Certainly he's in the running.

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#31 by dryheat // Jan 15, 2017 - 12:36pm

Maybe I'm having s stroke, but didn't the Texans play against an inarguably worst quarterback just last week?

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#32 by Bright Blue Shorts // Jan 15, 2017 - 12:47pm

They might have done.

But Tom Brady *might* be the worst QB to start a playoff game ... I'm putting him in the running as we're using "might" as a qualifier.

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#33 by Steve B // Jan 15, 2017 - 2:23pm

Are some of you members of Osweiler's family? Forgive me for using the word might. I didn't realize that we had to express our views only in absolutes. Saying Brady "might" be the worst means you have no understanding of football. Saying Osweiler "might" be the worst (yes, as in "in the running") means that you do and have watched him play a reasonable amount including last night. He's AWFUL.

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#38 by RickD // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:42pm

Having watched Tony Eason start a Super Bowl, I'll repeat my earlier point:

not even close.

I know you said "might". That doesn't appear to be too relevant. Whether you said "might" or not I'm going to reply to the same point.

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#64 by Mr Shush // Jan 15, 2017 - 10:38pm

I'm honestly not even sure he's the worst quarterback to start a playoff game for the Texans - T.J. Yates isn't likely to be enshrined in Canton any time soon either.

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#45 by Mountain Time … // Jan 15, 2017 - 6:03pm

Joe Webb is a recent example of a player whose coaches refused to tailor their system to the player's strengths and weaknesses. Could Webb have succeeded in a non-traditional offense somewhat similar to RG3's rookie year? We don't know, and we'll never know, because his coaches sucked.

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#21 by Steve B // Jan 14, 2017 - 11:03pm

Game was there for the taking for Hou with even competent level QB play. I think Fuller dropped that TD because he was shocked that ASSweiler made such a good throw.

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#29 by SFC B // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:16am

"Was there for the taking for Hou with even competent level QB play" is the way to describe most every game they've played since 2012.

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#65 by Mr Shush // Jan 15, 2017 - 10:42pm

Until Miller went down, I thought this season was an excellent opportunity to put Braxton Miller under centre and try my pet experiment of running the option and playing four down football the length of the field.

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#22 by SFC B // Jan 14, 2017 - 11:04pm

That 4th and 5 the Texans needed to go for it. They're down two scores. The Texans have been stopping NE, but they're not stopping them fast enough and it's not like it matters whether they turn it over on downs or on a pick.

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#34 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:08pm

Wow, that was like a 35 yard penalty thanks to someone running into and out of the huddle. That hurts. Good for my fandom, but dang!

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#36 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:25pm

I'm not sure Montgomery scores there. But there's not enough evidence to overturn the TD.

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#37 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:35pm

I was thinking the same thing, there wasn't a great angle that showed the ball and if he was down, but couldn't overturn it.

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#39 by RickD // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:45pm

Jason Garrett is a great playoff coach.

Figured Packers could win this game, but I also expected more from Dallas than they've shown so far.

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#40 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:54pm

Like that last drive? It's really just penalties and one or two good Micha Hyde plays that have stopped them.

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#41 by Mountain Time … // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:54pm

Look at the sideline shots of the Cowboys--they all have that defeated look in their eyes already.

Before that TD to 88, I was actually in agreement with Aikman about going with Romo at halftime, despite the Vanilla Idiot denying making that sensible suggestion.

Thisbis why Aikman should NEVER, EVER CALL A COWBOYS GAME!

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#42 by Mountain Time … // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:57pm

Why do kick returners bother trying to catch the kickoff in the end zone? Just let it fly by you for a touchback!

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#47 by Hoodie_Sleeves // Jan 15, 2017 - 6:18pm

A kickoff isn't like a punt - it's a live ball. If it doesn't bounce out the back of the endzone, the kicking team can recover.

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#52 by Vincent Verhei // Jan 15, 2017 - 7:45pm

Did we forget about this play already?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000767158/Jets-recover-own-kickoff-in-Bills-end-zone-for-touchdown

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#43 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 5:59pm

Is it going to take them completely pulling Adams jersey off for him to get a holding call?

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#44 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 6:00pm

What does Claiborne have on the officials that he can keep grabbing like that?

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#46 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 6:17pm

Taking the sack there was a good idea once it was clear the play was broken to keep the click running and end the half.

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#48 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 6:35pm

That was quick.

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#49 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 7:19pm

The refs made it clear they aren't calling defensive holding or PI. The Cowboys are taking advantage of it. The Packers are playing soft zones...

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#50 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 7:38pm

Looks like GB is playing to run out the clock and kick a FG. Not a huge fan of that.

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#53 by Joshua Northey // Jan 15, 2017 - 7:47pm

Looked like Adams got held again on that failed 3rd down. At this point I hope DAL loses.

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#54 by DisplacedPackerFan // Jan 15, 2017 - 7:58pm

Wow, that was a crazy catch. I don't think the booth can overturn that

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#55 by dbostedo // Jan 15, 2017 - 8:00pm

Arrggghh.... I hate icing the kicker. I kind of wanted to see OT... but now I want Crosby to make it and Dallas to lose.

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#57 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 8:01pm

Wow. What an ending!

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#58 by RickD // Jan 15, 2017 - 8:11pm

Quite an ending there.

Garrett is getting flack for his clock management on the last drive. Feels like he left too much time on the clock. A running play on 3rd down would have at least forced GB to either use their last timeout and settle for overtime.

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#61 by Peregrine // Jan 15, 2017 - 9:09pm

The problem was spiking on 1st down. Gave them only two plays to get the first down. Still had a timeout in pocket in case time got really short.

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#63 by deus01 // Jan 15, 2017 - 10:36pm

I'm guessing he was saving it in case they got to a point where they needed to stop the clock in order to kick the field goal. I generally hate spike the ball plays though, especially when there was lots of time left to run an actual play.

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#59 by Theo // Jan 15, 2017 - 8:37pm

Wow. Both teams come out flying.

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#60 by justanothersteve // Jan 15, 2017 - 8:46pm

Using a linebacker to cover Antonio Brown may not be the brightest defensive decision in the world

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#67 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:05pm

they have the fastest and most athletic ILB in the league.

smh
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#70 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:12pm

yeh, my point is he routinely uses timmons in coverage deep on fast guys...

it makes no sense.
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#62 by Theo // Jan 15, 2017 - 9:20pm

Berry touched the goal line - pretty sure if he went back it should be a safety?!
[edit] apparently he did not bring the whole ball out of the endzone...[/edit]

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#69 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:11pm

wow, I might not have ever seen any coach get worked as bad as what just happened there.

pitiful.
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#71 by Theo // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:17pm

Antonio Brown is sick.

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#72 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:18pm

should have gone down in bounds though.
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#73 by Anger...rising // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:24pm

They were under two minutes and Kansas City had no timeouts, making it the difference between kneeling twice or thrice. It was irrelevant, like most of your complaints.

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#74 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:29pm

yes, the steelers never try to screw the pooch in a clearcut winning scenario

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUcDGLHCOi4

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#75 by Theo // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:40pm

That happening doesnt make your point.
Browns was at full speed and it was impossible to stop inbouds.
Try to enjoy a win. We are in the afccg.

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#76 by jonsilver // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:41pm

Wow...the game turns on a holding call with 3 minutes to go, and a) it's the right call and b) its against the home team! Are you sure this was an NFL game? (Of course, it never would have been called in Green Bay, Seattle or Dallas...)

P.S. Brown had to use his 4th gear to flash by Houston so as to be open to make that last catch...then he has to make sure he secures the ball...no way he could then put the brakes on to avoid going OB...

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#77 by ryan5581 // Jan 15, 2017 - 11:53pm

After a tough season for kickers, this weekend they went 18/18 on XPs and 21/21 on FGs, including 4/4 from 50+. Had to have been the best "points above replacement" for kickers of any playoff weekend ever?

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#78 by Tomlin_Is_Infallible // Jan 16, 2017 - 12:03am

james harrison got flagged and fined about 75k 3-4 years ago for hitting somebody the way heath hit rodgers (facemask in square of back)

anyways, regarding calls.

Travis Kelce irate about the holding call on Fischer.

funny enough, that happened to Harrison (that neck hold) about 500 times in his career with no call. I'm not complaining they picked NOW to call it.

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#79 by Joshua Northey // Jan 16, 2017 - 12:14am

Yeah Harrison has gotten that call maybe 1/20th the number of times he should have. Nice to see him get it.

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#80 by alljack // Jan 16, 2017 - 10:46am

Harrison flopped. The ref was duped.

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#81 by jonsilver // Jan 16, 2017 - 10:04pm

When the blocker puts his arm around the pass rusher's neck and keeps it there for at least two strides, we have offensive holding and it should be called. All penalties should be called, without regard to the time within the game or the importance of the game. If you think that blockers get away with such things in most cases, then demand that more holding penalties be called.

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