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1 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:15am

Hope the Texans are okay, guess the schedule gets shuffled around but that's probably the least of concerns right now.

Anyway hope FO readers in the area are okay.

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2 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 11:17am

Go BIG BLUE!

That is all.

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3 Re: Big Blue and "Dr. Dan"

by johnnyxel // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:19pm

So, am I stupid, or is it impossible that the Giants have won "ten games in a row" if they lost in week 17 (and 15) last season? Not a hater, but that's just an idiotic statement.

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4 Re: Big Blue and "Dr. Dan"

by Rory // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:33pm

I think they've won ten consecutive road games?

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5 Cassel

by Rory // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:37pm

Also, how does everyone think Cassel will do today? I'll say something like 14-21, 150 yards 1 TD 0 INT and a win.

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7 Re: Cassel

by johnnyxel // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:55pm

I hesitate to guess on numbers, because the Pats game plan seems to be so variable to begin with, and he could get anywhere from 20 to 40 pass attempts based on the scoreboard.
If they stop the Jets well on defense, I think you're right on the money: 65% completion, 7-7.5 yards per attempt, and a couple TDs. On the other hand if Favre and Thomas Jones are gashing the Pats, expect less, like 22/40 for 200-220 yards.

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6 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:49pm

Turned of TV to find my superfan package was somehow not working, despite the fact I talked to someone who said they signed me up for it, and my bill certainly seemed to reflect it.

After calling DirecTV, I didn't get them to admit the error, but they said they were going to give it to me for free anyway. Well, the end effect is the same, which works for me.

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8 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 12:55pm

Free is good.

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9 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:05pm

wow... I had told my new directv dvr to record the colts-vikings on one of the 700 channels... not knowing it would be the local telecast game and thus blacked out. It knew enough to switch it to the other channel.

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19 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Athelas // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:23pm

If you get a game on local TV, it blacks it out on the 700 channels (but you still get it).

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10 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by masocc // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:05pm

What the hell? When did the NFL start blacking out SOLD OUT home games!?!?! Grrrrrr......!

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11 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:07pm

Eli with his patented throw it high for Plax routine. 1st down G-men.

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12 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:08pm

Peterson broke a long one... brought down by last man (Sanders) at the colts 28...

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13 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:11pm

What is up with the Bears this year... is it just that they're all healthy?

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14 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:13pm

Bills look awesome, great TD run by Lynch. Jags defense looks lost. and I have them on my fantasy team...

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15 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:16pm

Good job by E.J. Henderson. Cut right through the line.

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16 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by black // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:18pm

Jags look bad on defense, add that with no O-Line. = long season

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17 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:18pm

Does FO 3.0 include some kind of gameday chatroom?

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29 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jebmak // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:29pm

channel FO on IRC

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51 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Xian // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:56pm

To be clear, that's

#FO on catch22.org

(edited because originally I asked which network it was on.)

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18 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:21pm

Touchdown Giants, with Burress about as open as a wide receiver can be right over the middle.

ETA-- I didn't see who the safety was, but it was an incredibly weak effort at coverage.

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20 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:23pm

Brandon Lloyd got a touchdown? Figures that it wouldn't come on an offensive play.

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21 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Yaguar // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:23pm

Put any QB other than Tarvaris Jackson in for the Vikings right now and they'd be up 14-0 on the Colts.

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24 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:27pm

Colt offense doesn't look the unstoppable machine of previous years.
Yet.

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22 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:26pm

Man the vikings run defense is obliterating every colts attempt to run. Lost 9 yards back to the 1

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28 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:28pm

So you're saying my starting Addai was a bad move?

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23 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:26pm

Reality is starting to set in here. I just moved to SF. This means 49'ers AND Raiders on TV every week. That's not football you can believe in. . .

Anyone know a good sports bar near the Tendernob district?

NRG

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25 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:27pm

Upstate NY has the Buffalo game on. The Bills look good against Jax so far...

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26 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:28pm

The Colts OLine looks AWFUL so far. And it's not just the interior guys.

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27 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:28pm

Stephen Jackson would have had a TD there, except he fell down without being touched. It would have come back on a penalty, though, so they have that anyway.

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30 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:31pm

Peterson just keeps gashing the Colts.

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32 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:34pm

Imagine that guy with an NFL quarterback distracting the defense.

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31 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:32pm

Even when he's caught in the backfield, Peterson is making the Colts look stupid.

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33 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:34pm

dammit Shiancoe dropped what should have been a sure TD.

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37 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:36pm

Yeah. Jackson is bad but you can't blame him for that one. Decent throw.

Anyone else think that while this comment format works well for articles it's really tough to follow during games?

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34 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:35pm

The Redskins have burned through all three timeouts in the first quarter.

Indy's run defense is back to their abysmal ways.

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35 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:35pm

Grrr. Tuck gets held, breaks through the hold but his arm whips right to Bulger's face mask. First down Rams.

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36 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:36pm

here was that last vikings drive:

Run for 9, 13, 6, 7, 4, 4. Then on 3rd and 2, they decide to pass. Yes, it was open and yes it should have been caught. But why not run when they haven't shown they can stop it.

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38 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by masocc // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:37pm

Seriously? Can someone *please* explain to me why the long SOLD OUT local home game (Seahawks) is blacked out locally? This makes no sense...

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40 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:39pm

When did they sell out? It has to be by a certain time or it doesn't matter.

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44 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by masocc // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:45pm

Well, let's put it this way:
Seahawks.com has said for SEVERAL MONTHS that there are NO tickets to home games available for purchase, unless you go to the "ticket exchange" (i.e. buy from a fan/scalper).

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47 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:50pm

Then I have no answer. Sounds odd.

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39 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:38pm

Every so often out of the corner of my eye I catch plays in the Bengals-Titans game. I saw Collins badly overthrowing a WR who was wide open on the right sideline deep, and a whole lot of ugly from the Bengals, who seem to have forgotten how to play offense.

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41 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:41pm

Despite dominatoring first quarter, Vikings only up 6-0. Peyton starting to move the ball through the air now.

Jared Allen has yet to pressure a QB this season.

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42 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:42pm

Indy is trying to use pitches instead of the stretch play and they are failing miserably.

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43 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:44pm

Okay Allen finally came up with a sack.

"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random

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45 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:46pm

Peyton Manning, sacked. This Colts team looks nothing like Colts teams of the past few years.

Meanwhile, Brandon Jacobs runs really, really violently. Which is fun to watch.

ETA: Toomer running completely free beyond the awful Rams safeties, but Eli misses him badly.

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46 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:49pm

...why a reverse if you are the Vikings? Use your backs. No need to get fancy.

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48 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:53pm

The Giants just did the 3rd and long draw perfected by the Seahawks. It gained 8 but we will have to settle for the Figgie, which is.... good!

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49 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:53pm

Dammit. Vikings rushing well with Peterson, then two consecutive plays they call designed runs for Jackson which get nothing.

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50 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:55pm

The Colts are in control by being down only 6 at this point.
Tavaris Jackson is wasting a pretty good half from his teammates.

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52 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:56pm

Vikings have dominated completely and are still only up by 6 .

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53 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:56pm

Kyle Orton is kicking ass this game, Brandon Lloyd has looked good too.

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54 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:58pm

Wayne doesn't drop many and that should have been the lead right there.

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55 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:58pm

The Detroit Lions are looking even worse than the Rams looked last week.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how Millen has a job still. I am certain, 100% certain, that even an average Joe fan like me could have them significantly more competitive than they currently are within 2 years.

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60 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:00pm

I couldn't do Millens job better them him but I could improve on Ford by hiring a plausible candidate to develop the program instead of a TV analyst.

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61 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:01pm

It's like the Lions don't even have scouts and just go by hype/dart board for drafting, and whoever Marinelli has coached before at any time for free agents.

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67 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:06pm

But this would be my strategy-- go by the consensus 'best available' off of the TV shows. It would do better than Millen has done. I could hire a former agent to negotiate the contracts. Then I could sit in the luxury box and know that I have done better than my predecessor.

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56 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:58pm

Peyton lays up a perfect pass for Reggie Wayne...that goes right through Wayne's hands. Would have been a TD.

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57 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:58pm

No way was that a first down...

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62 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:02pm

Looked a good yard short to me.
I guess this is why guys stretch out even when they are obviously down.

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58 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 1:59pm

That looked like a really bad spot. Looks like they gave the Colts an extra half yard for the first.

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59 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:00pm

Tony Ugoh apparently out... Colts offensive line has had enough trouble as it is...

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63 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Yaguar // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:04pm

There was a play on that last drive where the defensive tackle literally ran past the center so quickly that he got to Manning at the same time the ball did. Unbelievably, Manning got the ball away for a completion.

This is the worst offensive line performance I've seen since some of Oakland's absurdities last year.

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69 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:07pm

What's annoying is that even the guys who have been there before (the tackles) are playing terribly too. You expect it of the interior, but not those guys. Ugoh had at least one play where he stood there without touching anyone, and since he left, Johnson managed to give up on a play (after Peyton got rid of the ball) and get Manning hit unnecessarily.

With Ugoh out that makes 4 new guys on the O Line, a penalty prone right tackle, and their OLine Coach is out with injury too! That is not a recipe for success. They could easily get shut out.

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64 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:04pm

Whew, that was close, first bad decision by Orton.

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65 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:05pm

Orton just tried to hit Brandon Lloyd with 4 defenders looming. He was lucky to not get picked off.

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66 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:05pm

Looks like I should have taken that prop bet on the Vikings score more points than they get passing yards.

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68 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:07pm

I really, really, really hate how it goes back to page one of the comments every time you make one.

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73 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:12pm

I'll do all the clicking needed to get back here just to say Amen!

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70 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:08pm

sigh, in hurry-up offense inside two minutes, after a peterson run setting up 3rd and four, vikings take about 20 seconds to set up followed by an argument between 7-T.Jackson and 18-S.Rice on where Rice was supposed to be, finally ending with a timeout.

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71 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:09pm

Bulger-- 10 dropbacks. 4 sacks. 4 knockdowns.

Ouch.

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72 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jebmak // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:10pm

Millen keeps his job because the Fords are idiots. Blame them, not Millen. Ford is the only constant over the past 40 years.

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74 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:12pm

At least the Vikings punt unit is doing some good things to make up for the QB sputtering. Although that time I guess he was out of bounds so it comes out to the 20.

It looked to me like the first one inside the 5 actually touched the goal line and was there when the one guy knocked it back. Thankfully the Colts managed to run a positive play and get a first down after that start.

Gonzalez is going to have a great year. He's getting open a lot and seems to have good hands, that one play last week excepted.

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75 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:13pm

Sigh. Vikes again can't complete a pass. Volts have ball and a minute, and after a half of being dominated they'll probably be leading at halftime.

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78 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:15pm

well maybe not. Peyton is hitting the turf on every play.

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80 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:18pm

Peyton grabbed his knee after that last hit. He's taking an unholy beating so far.

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76 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:13pm

The Rams have now hit two 54 yarders (Brown, I think) to keep hanging around.

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87 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:28pm

The Rams made a good call acquiring Brown. He seems to have had the range dialed in at the Edwards Jones dome for several years, until recently to the Rams' detriment.

NRG

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77 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Athelas // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:14pm

Is Damon Huard hurt or removed for performance reasons?

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83 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:20pm

According to CBS, they are rotating QBs by series.

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86 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Athelas // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:26pm

Well, Huard was in for the first 2 series and Thigpen jas been in since--doesn't sound like a rotation to me!

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79 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by MilkmanDanimal // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:17pm

The Colts just look weird when they try to run. It's not all O-line issues. They kept running pitches for Addai but, rather than stretching it out at all, Manning would just toss it pretty much straight backwards and Addai wouldn't have any time.

And yeah, the Vikings should be absolutely killing the Colts today. The only real bright spot is Gonzalez is looking great. There's been a few passes towards Harrison where Marvin's looked completely lost.

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81 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:19pm

Considering:

The vikings are awesome up until they get to the Indy 30 AND the vikings punt game has been spectacular in pinning the Colts deep AND the colts can't get anything going on offense.... the fact that I have Ryan Longwell on my fantasy team is working out very very nicely.

Annnnnd he hit's his third one, this one from 53.
And the vikings are up 2 scores. The fact that the Colts should have been the biggest roadblock to a Steelers AFC championship and might fall to 0-2 is icing on the cake at this point.

Andrew you got one more guy on the Minnesota bandwagon this week haha.

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82 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:19pm

And somehow with 20 seconds after a Colts punt, Jackson hits two passes of 20+ yards to set up a 53 yd FG just before the halftime gun.

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84 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:22pm

Eli completes a pass left handed, and then the G-men kick the figgie for a 7 point halftime lead in a game that hasn't been as close as the score.

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85 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:26pm

Fox just did a good job breaking down the Bears defensive alignment where the linebackers crowd the line, I was impressed. Also, it's called the "mug" alignment.

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88 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:33pm

Garbage yards for Brees before the half turn into Saints lead. Good for FF and their real team.

The NHL has been known to black out away games. Don't feel too bad.

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89 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:34pm

That Viking fake to AP and the roll out was a nice looking play design

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90 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:36pm

It seems every time the announcer says "Peterson", it is followed by "still on his feet"....

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91 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:37pm

Admittedly, this is a tangent, but rodeo bull riders now wear bicycle helmets? What's next, hockey goalie pads?

NRG

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92 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Steely Den // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:40pm

Is Aaron Rodgers for real? Two weeks, pushing 80% completions, and one game against an authentic professional defense (Vikings).

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97 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Yaguar // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:47pm

Obviously, those numbers can't hold, but I think it's more likely than not that he makes the Pro Bowl, and he may even start in it.

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105 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:55pm

I don't know, I still remember the first 5 Bears games of 2006.

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93 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CoachDave // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:42pm

Honestly at this point, the Colts offensive and defensive lines are just North of worthless.

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94 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:43pm

Colts finally get a screen to work. They need something to slow up the rush.

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95 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:44pm

Saints punter Brown-- 3 punts, 58.3 avg, 1 downed on the 3 yard line, total 12 return yards. Their kicking game is what has kept this one close.

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96 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:45pm

E.J. Henderson right through the line again.

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98 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:49pm

The Colt special teams are being outplayed badly.
This game shouldn't be as close as it is.

I still expect two flicks of Peytons wrist to soon erase all the Vikings have done.

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101 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:51pm

Sure, if the line holds up long enough to let it happen.

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102 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CoachDave // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:51pm

The Colts STs have been getting outplayed for close to a decade.

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99 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:50pm

That pass should have been a TD, llyod was never touched.

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104 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:54pm

Lloyd is having a hell of a game.

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100 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:50pm

Manning complete to Burress. Ball knocked away, seemingly while he was down (I am sure they will review). Then during the runback, looks like a penalty (face mask?) on the G-men.

Let's assume for a second that they decide Burress was down. What happens with the penalty?

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108 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:56pm

They pretend the penalty never happened.

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431 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by BucNasty // Sep 15, 2008 - 6:54am

A facemask is a personal foul. It's enforced no matter when it happens.

At least, it's supposed to be...

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103 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:53pm

Then McKie makes it not matter.

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106 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:55pm

Touchdown, Giants, after a Burress fumble was overturned on review.

Meanwhile, McFadden is getting huge chunks of yards while fumbling seemingly on every other carry.

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107 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:55pm

No one can stop the Ryan Longwell FG juggernaut.
Does the C on the jersey mean captain?
Longwell is a captain?

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109 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:58pm

Every team has a specials teams captain in addition to the two offensive and defensive captains.

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110 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 2:58pm

Are those QB lines in the Raiders/Chefs game for real? 3/14 for 30 and 3/12 for 33 yards? Wow. That's putrid. Loser league anyone?

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111 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Steely Den // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:00pm

John Fox is gonna be spitting nails at the film sessions tomorrow. Panthers' offense gets a penalty on every other snap, it seems.

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112 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:00pm

I hadn't thought of it, but could Leslie Frazier's familiarity with the Colts offense be also contributing to how they've shut down the Colts?

Nah, probably just the line.

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115 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Steely Den // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:02pm

Hank Goldberg picked the Vikes. It seems they have a former Colts' offensive coach on staff, and he knows what Peyton's wig-wags mean. Sure looks like it.

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113 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:01pm

And just like that Colts get a touchdown. 76 yards.

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114 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:01pm

Flick # 1

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116 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:02pm

The Giants have a 20-6 lead midway through the 3rd quarter. As the Eagles were up on the Rams, I think, 28-0 and the game was obviously over at this point , are we to assume that 1) the Eagles really are that good or 2) the Giants offense just doesn't have that many points in it?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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121 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:06pm

Or 3) The Giants just don't throw down field as aggressively, but yeah I don't think the Giants offense is as good as the Eagle's.

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128 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:10pm

We've been throwing downfield all day, but Manning has been strangely accurate short and medium and not accurate long (excepting the TD to Burress).

We have also had crappy field position all day thanks to some great punting by the Rams. Throw in some really long field goals, and there you have it.

This game has not been as close as the score, and the Rams look just as bad as they did against the Eagles.

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117 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:02pm

Crazy play for the colts. Manning to Gonzalez who laterelled to Wayne for a 76 yard TD.

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118 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:04pm

Childress challenge. But even if they rule him down at the one inch line, they'll still probably get a touchdown.

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119 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:05pm

Andrew: given the way the Colts have been running it...maybe not.

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120 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:05pm

Of course that distinction is of great interest to fantasy owners of Wayne (and Addai).

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130 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:10pm

OR WILL THEY??

Two QB sneaks only get 1 foot.
And Addai's 3rd down carry was ruled a TD, but on review it doesn't look like he made it. Childress was right to challenge. I hope they overturn this one.

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122 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Adam B. // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:06pm

Apparently, I'm the next Chiefs QB today.

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123 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:08pm

Someone needs to teach Greg Olsen who to hold a football. This is just ridiculous.

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124 WAS-NO

by Androo // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:09pm

Jason Campbell avoids the rush and throws the ball away into the stands ... where it is caught by a kid in a Jason Campbell jersey. Nice touch.

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125 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:09pm

Also, I wish the Bears had kept Chris Harris.

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126 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:09pm

And another Childress challenge.

Even if they win this one, Vikings are out of challenges. Hope this doesn't haunt them. (and the Colts will go on 4th down if overturned).

Plus, I think its too close to overturn.

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127 Ron Winter worst officiating crew?

by morganja // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:09pm

Bears got away with a blatant personal foul on a sliding quarterback, not only hitting late, but also with the shoulder into the head, If this was Manning instead of Delhomme there would have been nine yellow flags flying out in every direction.

Amazing that they could miss it given they have already called 18 accepted penalties.

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132 Re: Ron Winter worst officiating crew?

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:13pm

First of all a shoulder to the head isn't a penalty (except on a QB in the pocket where you aren't allowed to breath on the head of a QB), secondly, it looks like Briggs took off before Delhomme slid, and the announcer's agree.

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135 Re: Ron Winter worst officiating crew?

by Rich Conley // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:14pm

The QB needs to slide before the player starts to tackle. Delholme slid WAY too late. QB's need to realize that if you're going to slide, you need to give up a yard or two to do it. You need to slide BEFORE the defenders get close.

Totally legal hit. Delholmme needs to slide before the defenders are about to drill him. Great non-call.

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129 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:10pm

Addai didn't get in, but they called it on the field so they'll get the touchdown.

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131 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:11pm

Devin Hester out with a rib injury.

Also, screw you Greg Olsen.

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133 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CoachDave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:13pm

Wow. Even when the Colts score they look horrible.

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134 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:14pm

The nose of the ball just has to break the front plane of the end zone. I thought the replay showed pretty clearly Addai did that.

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136 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:14pm

CBS's camera placement is worthless in the HHH dome. The camera that's supposed to be on the goal line is about a yard into the end zone. But on that one, it did look like the tip of the ball touched the tip of the line. And then Williams simply tossed him back and to the side like a rag doll.

If you ask me, the 2nd QB sneak looked like he got in... and certainly got farther than the 0 inches they gave them. I would've liked to see their bad angle replays of that one.

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137 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CoachDave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:15pm

...and just like that...it's a ballgame.

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138 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:15pm

And the Colts get a turnover. Vikings dominance up till now is going for naught.

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139 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Tom // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:16pm

Dales:

The problem with the Giants long ball was that it was going to Toomer most of the time(missed one badly on steve smith), I love the old vet, but he's not the one you want to send on those fly routes.

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140 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:17pm

Finally some pressure, and the fumble gives the Colts their first good field position.

Still, with the way things are going, 30 yards is still a challenge. Great catch and hold by Marvin.

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141 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:20pm

Which is stupider: McMichael celebrating a first down while down by 14 points, or Butler celebrating a big hit after giving up a first down?

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142 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:20pm

The flaming thumbtacks block the punt in the end zone, and it does not bounce out of the end zone. In fact, it goes straight down and says there, recovered by the Titans for a TD.

Meanwhile, the Rams get a receiver wide open deep, and miss.

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143 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:20pm

and after the fumble...Vinateri misses a 30 yard FG?

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144 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:20pm

Colts get nothing from the fumble...nice guys. Really nice...

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145 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CoachDave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:21pm

F-ing Vinateri...can't kickoff worth a damn...chokes in big FGs (see SD game).

And huge salary cap hit.

Cut his ass.

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146 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:24pm

The Vikings seem to always take out Peterson on 3rd down.

I think you'd have to respect a run if he were still in there.

Jackson misses badly on back to back throws after the missed FG and have to punt.

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147 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:25pm

If Wayne had gotten in after that lateral, does that count as a touchdown pass or a run?

Not asking for fantasy purposes, just curious. Dierdorf mentioned it'd be a TD pass for Manning but I'm not sure that makes sense. Also, Dierdorf is an idiot, so I don't trust him. So that's a 76 yard completion including 17 YACAL?

Defense looks better. Freeney got blatantly tackled on that third down play. Good thing Jackson can't hit the broad side of a barn on most throws.

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148 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:25pm

Reggie Bush touchdown, and gets called for taunting for pointing a finger at a Washington defender at the fifteen on his way in.

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149 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:25pm

Reggie Bush with a punt return TD.

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150 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:26pm

And Holt gets a very fortunate bounce for a TD. And it is a game again.

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151 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:26pm

sigh, I benched McFadden this week... he has more than my two starting RBs combined.

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152 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:27pm

Holy sh%T that was an incredible play by Holt coming down with the TD.

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153 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:27pm

Holt scores on the most ridiculous, impossible-to-review catch in possibly the history of all mankind.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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154 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:29pm

Manning pick off after a tipped ball.

Vikings will get the ball at mid field.

Only need 20 yards for another FG!

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155 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:30pm

Manning picked again. The Vikings have to close the deal here.

After last drive, wish they'd realize that just because Peterson only gets 2 yards on first down doesn't mean you shouldn't run him again...

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159 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:33pm

38 yard TD pass, Kitna to Calvin Johnson. The Lions are actually making it a game.

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156 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:32pm

Aaron Glenn down in the Saints-Skins game. Could we see Hole in Zone?

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163 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:36pm

Jason David in the HiZzy? Or is it Jason David is the HiZzy? Even with him, the NO Defense will look better than the Chiefs does.

NRG

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157 Holt

by Trieu // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:32pm

That Tory Holt catch was incredible. I can't even begin to describe it. Good job by the refs too for recognizing what happened.

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158 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:33pm

Sheez. Bob Sanders is now out with an ankle injury?

I mean, I'm rooting against the Colts today but everthing else aside, hard to root for this kind of misfortune.

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160 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:34pm

Can the Bears field a punt without a block in the back this game?

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161 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:34pm

Speaking of Hole in the Zone, the Browns last week thought it was a good idea to have him cover Jason Whitten. It worked about as well as you might expect.

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162 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:35pm

The Vikes miss a great chance to put a nail in the coffin as Longwell hooks one.

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164 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:36pm

So both teams turn the ball over, and each turnover ends in a missed field goal....

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165 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:38pm

Nice catch by Hixon for a long first down.

And Giants touchdown, Bradshaw. Woot!

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166 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:38pm

and now Colts driving for tying TD...

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167 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:38pm

Orton was close on that one, but his deep game is not good.

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172 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:42pm

"Orton was close on that one, but his deep game is not good."

Maybe, but he throws the quick flare to a receiver like a champ.

I liked the separate boards for commenting, FYI- easier to reply to people.

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173 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:42pm

The one thing I miss about Rex Grossman.

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168 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:39pm

Flick #2 , sigh.
Playing the Colts is like holding a ticking bomb.

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169 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:39pm

tie game

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170 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:40pm

Thigpen started off horribly, but has looked pretty good every time I look over.

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171 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Yaguar // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:41pm

In other news, despite the Raiders' win, I think the Jamarcus Russell Bust Watch is on.

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174 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:42pm

Incredible. And the game is tied... on a running play for 2. That play gained more than double their average output for the game on rushes.

Wish CBS would've shown us what they were talking about with Manning being upset and some violence after the play. Sounds like maybe he took a late hit or something.

The balls look almost like they're going to float high out of Peyton's hand, but so far they have all settled right down into their targets, with the exception of the tip/pick last drive and the overthrow in the back of the end zone before the missed field goal. He still gets more zing than most QBs, but it doesn't look quite the same so far.

Melvin Bullitt is looking very good on ST and in Bob's spot.

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175 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:42pm

The way the Vikings are going they will be fortunate to go 3 and out.

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176 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:42pm

Tuck with another sack.

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177 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:44pm

Speaking of letting teams hang around-- suddenly the Panthers have the lead.

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178 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rich Conley // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:45pm

Caroline takes the lead, after being 14 down.

Jonathon Stewart is definitely better than D'angelo Williams

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179 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:45pm

Back to back blatant interference plays not called against Colts and Vikings have to punt.

If they're going to call it like that might as well do it every play.

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180 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:46pm

Tuck with the TOUCHDOWN.

(An interception)

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181 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:46pm

All right, Carolina.

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182 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:46pm

Surprisingly good throw downfield to an open Berrian from Jackson and he trips over himself.

Sterratore is having a bit of trouble with his penalty calls.

Panthers and Bills both take the lead... interesting.

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183 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:48pm

I have zero confidence right now. Colts will score winning FG as time expires.

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184 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:48pm

It's up to Neckbeard.

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185 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:49pm

Only one of those plays should have drawn a flag. But the refs have been favorable towards the Cols in this game. A few very Colts friendly spots as well as the no call there.

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186 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:50pm

Redskiins clawing back on a nice draw to Portis.

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187 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:50pm

Wow, great catch by Gonzalez to get the first on a dangerous throw. Is the Viking D line tiring? They're not blasting the Colts into the backfield as much anymore.

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188 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:51pm

And the LIONS take the lead. Calvin Johnson.

WTF!

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189 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:51pm

The topic this week...letting teams hang around. The lions just took the lead on the pack.

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190 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:52pm

Calvin Johnson TD catch. Lions have the chance to take the lead.

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191 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:52pm

3rd and 9.... this is it...

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192 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:52pm

There was no PI on the deep ball to Berrian. I think they couldn't make up their mind on the play before. Hayden had his hands all over him. But the receiver was handsy back and I think that threw them off.

Usually the Colts get screwed on spots (but helped on everything else) so it's a bit odd to see these blatantly incorrect spots.

Gonzalez got held up a bit on that 2nd down throw. So maybe it's starting to even out.

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197 The colts usually get

by Rich Conley // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:56pm

The colts usually get screwed on PI calls? Since when? If I had to pick an NFL team that received the benefit of more bad PI calls than any other, it would be Indy. Although, its usually their offense getting them.

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193 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rich Conley // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:53pm

What the hell is happening in Green Bay?

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201 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:58pm

The same thing that let the Redskins just score two quick ones on the Saints to take the lead?

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194 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:54pm

Wow, what a nice play by the Colts to down it on the one.

Meanwhile, the Bengals still suck.

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195 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:54pm

six of the eight games are one-score games in the final four minutes. Cant' ask for much better than that.

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196 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:56pm

It looked like Hayden initiated the contact on the one play, and that was well after five yards. And I agree no interference on the Berrian play.

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198 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:56pm

Bradshaw TD.

Santana Moss TD.

Green Bay gets a long completion.

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199 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by princeton73 // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:56pm

What the hell is happening in Green Bay?

nothing--the game's in Detroit

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200 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 3:57pm

Carson Palmer, benched?

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202 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:00pm

KC is making Oakland look like an NFL team. This does not bode well for KC. Also, Larry Johnson is done, with a capital D, in case that was still in question.

NRG

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203 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:02pm

wow personal foul on colts takes them back from FG range.

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204 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Jesse // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:02pm

Peterson's got 160 yards on 29 carries. Listen, Vikes, I know he seems like he's handling 30 carries a game just fine--after all, he did it a lot in college--but you have to remember, he also missed a lot of games in college.

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213 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:06pm

It'll be a damn shame if his talent gets wasted waiting for Tavaris Jackson to miraculously transform into an NFL quarterback.

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209 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:05pm

Damn you, Bears. That's Philadelphia's draft spot you're screwing up. Get your heads in the game.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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205 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:04pm

And GB ices it.

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206 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:04pm

arrrrgth

Vinateri to win it, 47 yarder coming.

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207 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Jesse // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:04pm

Vinatieri to win it...

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208 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Jesse // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:05pm

Nailed it. And Peterson's 160 yards are for naught.

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210 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:05pm

15 rushes for 20 yards? Is Ryan Grant still gimpy, or did Detroit's D actually play the run well?

NRG

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211 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by andrew // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:05pm

Vikings lose a game at home after being up 15-0.

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217 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dired // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:07pm

Five field goals and no touchdowns - when has that ever been a reason to celebrate?

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212 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:06pm

Vinatieri hits a 47 yarder. Colts should win.

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."- Unforgiven

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213 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:06pm

Wow. What a craptacular game. Crazy that the Colts were able to look that bad and win.

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215 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by jurb // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:06pm

Hate the play calling by the Bears there. While I understand why you might throw it on 3rd and 1, use the two cracks to get the first down.

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216 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Arson55 // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:07pm

Ouch for the Vikings.

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218 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Zac // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:08pm

And Woodson with his second INT of the game, returns it for a TD and I write GAME OVER in my notebook. They let Detroit hang on way too long though.

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222 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:13pm

GB vs Detroit.

ANOTHER Interception for a TD! Ok, ok, there are enough nails in that coffin already!

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224 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:16pm

Those of us starting GB's defense disagree. I could use one more.

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219 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by cd6 // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:09pm

Speaking of disappointing losses, what a collapse by New Orleans in the 4th quarter. Ouch.

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220 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:09pm

The first half of this weeks' early games were really craptacular.

The second halves were highly entertaining. Except, I guess, to Bears and Vikings fans. My condolences.

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221 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:10pm

Rich, I said on spots, not on PI calls. They almost always benefit from those. But I've seen a ton of really bad spots over the past 5 years always going against them, which is why it's a bit odd to see them getting gifts in that area this year as well.

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223 Kyle Orton

by morganja // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:13pm

Kyle cannot make a deep throw. He is terrible at that. I mean breathtakingly bad. He is so good at the short stuff and squeezing in the quick throw, but, wow, he is atrocious on the deep throw. Why didn't they bring in Grossman at the end when they needed the deep ball, or at least the threat of a deep ball?

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225 Re: Kyle Orton

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:24pm

The last thing this team needs is a QB controversy. It might have been worth a loss here to avoid that.

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226 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:25pm

Scott Linehan is a bad coach, but watching his press conference is just pitiful. He might go Bud Dwyer if this keeps up.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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227 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:26pm

Feely!

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228 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by talys // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:29pm

Jets take the opening kickoff and Feely misses a 31-yarder. Now time to see what Cassel can do.

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229 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tally // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:32pm

Wow. Replay equipment isn't functioning in Denver, so SD can't challenge to overturn a fumble by Chambers. TV replays indicate that it probably would have been overturned. What a break.

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230 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:32pm

Moroney up the gut into Kris Jenkins arms every first down?

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231 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:33pm

Tom Brady who?

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232 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:33pm

Tom Brady who?

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233 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by t.d. // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:34pm

Cassel looks pretty good so far

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241 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:53pm

Wow, Simms & Company are covering this game like it's the movie adaptation of Cassel's career. There are still other players on the field, right? I've heard as much references to "him" or "his throw" or "his career" than in the usually-skewed coverage of a Colts game mentioning Manning.

Meanwhile, Warner is off to a blistering start for Arizona.

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234 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:34pm

Third down for the Pats. If they don't score, do they go for it?!?

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235 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:37pm

It's too early to run up the score, so no.

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238 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:40pm

I thought running up the score early was the point! That made running up the score later so much sweeter!

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236 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:38pm

Cassel isn't looking like a Tavaris Jackson.

Yet.

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237 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:38pm

Brady-Pats would have gone for it, I think. They also would have tried to throw it on third down.

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239 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:50pm

Faulk! hella catch.

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240 NE-NYJ

by Androo // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:51pm

I haven't seen every play but, it appears early on that Cassel is looking for Welker. Has he looked Moss' way yet?

With Moss' history in the back of my mind I wonder if they should get him involved early so he doesn't lose interest in the new guy.

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243 Re: NE-NYJ

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:56pm

Maybe he prefers Welker's grittiness to Moss's incredible natural ability?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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242 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 4:54pm

So Hasselbeck is without Branch, Engram, Wallace, Payne, Burleson, and Morris. Oh, and Taylor can't catch. Looks like a big day for Carlson and J.Jones is imminent.

NRG

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244 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:02pm

Favre is just having fun out there.

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246 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:07pm

I finally see a need for a rating system ;)

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257 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:24pm

Hopefully because you appreciate syrupy sarcasm? :-D

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259 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by DivisionNick // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:28pm

Richard Seymour is just havin' fun out there.

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245 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:03pm

Rodney lost his jock on that washington run

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247 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:12pm

Do not disrespect Rodney Harrison. Jock or not, things will get ugly. . . Just sayin'.

NRG

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248 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Lance // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:13pm

NE is still going with 3- and 4-WR sets. Though instead of throwing TDs, Cassell is doing QB draws.

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249 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by MilkmanDanimal // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:17pm

Am I the only one watching Bucs-Falcons?

Offhand, I'd say Matt Ryan and Michael Turner are realizing that playing against a real defense isn't quite as fun as going against Detroit.

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250 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by t.d. // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:17pm

Gamesmanship, in my NE-NYJ game?
-You're soaking in it.

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251 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:18pm

Nicest minus 5 yard run I've seen today.

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252 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Jesse // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:19pm

Sick stat of the week:

Kurt Warner is currently 9/10 for 221 yards 2 TDs and no picks.

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253 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:22pm

I think the pattern is he gets worse over the year as the beatings add up

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255 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Jesse // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:23pm

This is true, but even so he doesn't normally start *this* well.

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256 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:24pm

That depends on your definition of normal for Warner, he certainly started like this in St Louis.

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254 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by tuluse // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:22pm

Holy crap, Matt Ryan has started 1 for 11 with two picks. Are the Lions really just that bad? They will be lucky to win a game this year.

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258 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by t.d. // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:26pm

Warner was the best passer, excluding fumbles, in the second half last year, so who knows?

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260 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:33pm

What a bullshit call. Apparently you can be interfered with when you are out of bounds (and 48 years old, like Isaac Bruce). Sons of bitches!

NRG

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261 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by dianagram // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:47pm

Hmmm .... I didn't draft Brady in any of my leagues .... but I *did* draft Randy Moss.

Oy ...

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262 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:48pm

You can see a huge difference with Cassel in for the Pats- teams aren't afraid to blitz the hell out of the Pats now for fear of the deep ball.

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263 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Steely Den // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:51pm

Cutler 22/30, 235, 3 TD - nice first half. Whose 1st half was best, Cutler, Warner, or Rodgers?

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267 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:54pm

Favre is still just having fun out there.

So much so, that he can't remember where the LOS is.

ETA: Hah, Trogdor! Beat you by *that* much! But then he picks up 3rd and 22.

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264 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Trogdor // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:52pm

Favre sure is gunslingin' and havin' fun out there. The line of scrimmage means nothing.

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265 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:53pm

Offensive PI!

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266 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:54pm

I thought that was an INT in the air

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268 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Trogdor // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:55pm

And just as I get set to mock a play-action fake on 3rd and 22, Favre makes a great escape and gunslings it for the first down. I don't think Pennington makes a play like that.

And then a deep heave into coverage, caught due to OPI. Getting the full range of Favredom here.

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271 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:56pm

Especially with the pick.

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273 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:57pm

Favre realized that he should have had a pass picked earlier, so he atones for it by throwing to a wide-open Brandon Merriweather.

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269 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:56pm

Favre is just having fun out there.

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270 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:56pm

Merriweather held on to an easy interception.
big progress for #31.

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272 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave in Tucson // Sep 14, 2008 - 5:57pm

Dolphins hold the Cardinals to a long FG. Rackers misses -- but oh, Dolphins have 12 men on the field, first down. Then DPI in the endzone, first and goal!

Now a face mask penalty; first and goalier.

D∈T

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274 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by dianagram // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:05pm

when is the last time the Chargers gave up 31 in a half?

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275 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:07pm

Didn't they give up a ton of points in the first half against the Bengals two years ago?

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276 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:10pm

Maybe the last time Merriman was out?

NRG

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277 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:12pm

I'm surprised it took so long to see Jordan.

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278 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dales // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:13pm

The Niners come storming back. The Seahawks aren't who they used to be, are they?

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281 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by NRG // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:21pm

No they aren't. They're a lot less lucky, with two tip-ball interceptions leading to two SF touchdowns.

NRG

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279 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Harris // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:15pm

Stephen Gostkowski = Ken. His hair helmet is truly impressive.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

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280 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by El Jefe // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:16pm

This is playing out almost exactly what I expected to see (Pats-Jets).

Cassel looks pretty good. When he has protection, he's acting decisively, throwing with adequate accuracy, taking what he can get. When protection is inadequate, he's been holding on to the ball when sacked. What more can you ask for? It's premature, but the Pats are looking to be in good hands for this season.

I think the playcalling is a bit conservative. A few too many runs in what I'd see as passing situations, and the level of success from the runs has been.... not amazing.

Also, the red zone offense is crap. With Cassel a smaller threat than Brady, the Jets are keying in on the run pretty well, and pressuring him in to inaction when the Pats do pass.

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282 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by talys // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:21pm

The field position has been surprisingly one-sided though. The Pats have started I think 3 drives in Jets territory, while the Jets keep having to start on their own 20 because Gostkowski (sp?) has been phenomenal on kickoffs. Every single one has been a touchback.

Edit: Nantz just said it's 4 drives in Jets territory. Still incredible.

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283 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:22pm

Jets have had punting issues as well.

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284 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Craigo // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:24pm

You really think they're in good hands? I penciled in the Bills as the AFCE champion after the first half of this game.

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285 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Yaguar // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:26pm

The Seattle game is a study in what happens to an elite quarterback if you take away all his teammates.

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286 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by CathyW // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:27pm

Yay! TD Jets!

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287 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rich Conley // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:27pm

"You really think they're in good hands? I penciled in the Bills as the AFCE champion after the first half of this game."

For a first career start against a playoff contender, I think Cassel is playing remarkably well. There have been some miscues and miscommunication, but this stuff should get better.

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289 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:30pm

The guy hasn't started since high school.
I'm hoping for a lot of improvement over a season of real starting experience and the practice reps that go with that.

Hoping.

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288 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:27pm

Picked rodney nicely

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290 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Craigo // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:35pm

Randy Moss looks pissed.

It begins.

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291 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:38pm

He dropped a catchable ball.
He should be upset.

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293 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Craigo // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:41pm

"Catchable" is a stretch when the ball is so underthrown that the DB that you soundly beat has time to catch up and defend it.

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292 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by t.d. // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:38pm

Cassel hasn't looked hopeless, but the Jets are only considered playoff contenders because their schedule is weak.

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294 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:43pm

It's true the Jets barely beat the Fins who are getting killed by the mighty Cards.
but a W is a W.

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295 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:44pm

2 scores, 5 minutes.
I'll be disappointed if the Pats blow this.

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296 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Rocco // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:46pm

Nobody disappoints their fans quite like the New York Jets.

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297 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by Dave in Tucson // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:47pm

And, down 28 points with less than 10 minutes left to play, Dolphins put in rookie Chad Henne at QB.

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298 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by B // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:48pm

Now that was a sack by Adelius. Take down Favre and the back who "blocked" him.

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299 Re: Week 2 NFL Open Discussion

by mikeabbott // Sep 14, 2008 - 6:48pm

Hobbes is choice.
He is playing well this year.

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