Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 4 Open Discussion Thread


Minnesota at Tennessee 1:00 PM FOX

Denver at Kansas City 1:00 PM CBS

San Francisco at New Orleans 1:00 PM FOX

Arizona at NY Jets 1:00 PM FOX

Green Bay at Tampa Bay 1:00 PM FOX

Atlanta at Carolina 1:00 PM FOX

Houston at Jacksonville 1:00 PM CBS

Cleveland at Cincinnati 1:00 PM CBS

San Diego at Oakland 4:05 PM CBS

Buffalo at St. Louis 4:05 PM CBS

Washington at Dallas 4:15 PM FOX

Philadelphia at Chicago 8:15 PM NBC


Baltimore at Pittsburgh 8:30 PM ESPN


by Dales :: Tue, 09/23/2008 - 8:11pm

Go (next week) Big Blue!

by carlosjr :: Tue, 09/23/2008 - 10:21pm

I'm going to do two 2 team teasers:

1. Denver/Buffalo

2. Jax/SD

Giving credit to my man The Cruncher.

by carlosjr :: Tue, 09/23/2008 - 10:27pm

Look at the matchup for Denver/KC. There is no way KC is keeping it close, the only edge I see is in Special Teams and playing in arrowhead.
It looks like a big day for Brandon Marshal and Scheffler, not so much for E. Royal.
Denver should also have a couple of long runs.
KC's DLine is average against the run but horrible against the pass. Denver's O Line is awesome running and passing.
Denver's secondary is good against #1 WR's but not so good against the rest, so they should shut down D. Bowe.
KC's secondary is horrible against #1 WR's but good against #2 and 3 WR's but horrible against TE's too.
Denver's Rush D is pretty good so I see them stacking against Larry J.
I just can't see KC doing much even on the poor Denver D.

by Nathan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:29pm


by carlosjr :: Tue, 09/23/2008 - 11:00pm

CIN VS Cle: Battle of the winless
Boy has cleveland dissapointed, they have a tough schedule though. Let's see if we see Quinn this week as Anderson has lost his confidence.
On paper Cleveland's D looks very, very good but the reality is different. They will move up once ratings are adjusted for toughness of schedule but it's not going to be easy for them all year.
Cleveland has so far allowed considerable amount of rushing yards against Dallas, Pitt and Baltimore, all attempting over 30 rush attempts.Cincy's D Line is alot better against the run but only average but they are also one of the worst against the pass and applying pressure, while Cleveland's is a little better against the pass.
Cincy's O line is last running and pretty bad with the pass too. Cleveland is not as good but a bit better and I was impressed they only allowed one sack against the tenacious Dallas D on week 1.
With all this Palmer has done horribly and Anderson has dissapointed too. Cleveland's secondary has done horribly against #1 and 2 Wr's something we had not seen, since they were good against #2 WR's last year. They are good against passes to the RB but I don't think Cincy will try alot of these. I see TJ and Chad to have a good game if the O line can protect Palmer.
Cincy's secondary has done well against #2 WR's, I exepect a breakout game from Braylon Edwards if he can catch the passes thrown to him. I think A. Chatman can have a good game.
The only real edge I see is in special teams. I see the game being close specially Cincy playing at home. It's a close game to call at -3 for Cincy. In paper Cleveland looks alot more talented but they need to exploit the good matchups for them with Winslow, Edwards and the run.

by andrew :: Wed, 09/24/2008 - 7:22am

Minn at Tenn:

Both teams like to run the ball, and are going against excellent run defenses.

Both teams are not using the quarterback they started the season with, replacing a mobile young qb with a less mobile but more savvy veteran, and are better for it.

That being said, I think Kerry Collins > Gus Frerotte, and Tennessee's pass defense > Minnesota's pass defense, plus they're at home. I'd give the edge to them based on that.

by dianagram :: Wed, 09/24/2008 - 5:26pm

Awful news .... Bucs' PK Matt Bryant's 3-month-old son passed away in his sleep last night


by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:00pm

Holy crap. That's terrible.

by George (not verified) :: Thu, 09/25/2008 - 1:52pm

Carlosjr has the picture. This is the Bengal's only real opportunity to get a win before their bye week. If Bengal's win 1-8 is where they will be at bye week. Defense is still the issue along with M. Lewis being sabotaged by ownership. The Bowns are having leadership issues along with the injury bug. As bad as it could be for either team, I look for a high scoring game like last year. Should be fun to watch.

by Lance :: Thu, 09/25/2008 - 10:42pm

It's week four and I'm going to see my fourth Cowboys game without having to resort to going to a sports bar with some special NFL package thing. Indeed, according to the506, the late game on Fox is just the Dallas-Washington game.

I'm not complaining-- beer at home is cheaper than beer at the bar. I'm just sort of shocked that I'm getting my team 4 for 4 so far, even if I'm quite removed from the region.

by BucNasty :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:49am

I'm happy it's at 4. I have to be at work at 5am Mondays so I never get to watch the night game. I'll also get to witness history during commercial breaks and see parts of the game that gets Scott Linehan fired.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:28pm

If anyone can provide tech support for my IRC (it's only letting my connect to servers at Port 9000 and I can't figure out why, and don't know if that's the proper way to say it), please let me know.

Thanks much.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:20pm


by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:56pm

Carson Palmer out.

The battle of winless Ohioans now looks a bit different...

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:58pm

OK, I haven't seen Daryl Johnston in a while. Someone tell that men to step AWAY from the tanning booth!

by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:01pm

Correction: Palmer's not out-- he's the inactive 3rd QB.

by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:06pm

Siragusa: "I tell you, Aaron Rodgers is a downhill, hard runner."

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:06pm

With the Giants and Patriots off this week, for 1 PM games I get the Cards at Jets or Matlock. It's time like this when I wish I had DirectTV.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:06pm

With the Giants and Patriots off this week, for 1 PM games I get the Cards at Jets or Matlock. It's time like this when I wish I had DirectTV.

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:09pm

Well, the Titans are moving the ball downfield at will.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:10pm

Titans zip right down the field on Vikings, running for good gains. 3rd and goal from the 3 a first timeout. Minnesota does not look good...

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:12pm

Only reason titans don't get TD is because their receiver steps OOB.

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:14pm

Yeah. Vikings didn't exactly stop them. This might be a long game.

by NRG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:15pm

M. Owens? Heh?


by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:15pm

So the Cards marched all the way down the feild on the jets, and on 2nd and goal, Warner is sacked and fumbled, Edge recovers. Then on 3rd and goal at the 30, Boldin fumbles, this time the jets recover. This game is getting fun.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:15pm

Will someone described what just happened in JAX?

by Z (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:49pm

It was the Wildcat offense that Miami ran last week. Direct Snap to Owens, who runs for the TD.

by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:15pm

The field conditions in Tampa look awful. After an inside run earlier, a groundskeeper had to come out and correct a whole hunk of sod (like, 2 sq. feet or so) folded up as a player tried to push off of it. Later on the same drive, Greg Jennings gets a ridiculously easy TD catch because Ronde Barber slipped trying to jam him.

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:15pm

Excellent first drive for GB. Grant looks like he finally has his speed back.

by jb (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:20pm

Brett Farve is just havin' fun out there.

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:20pm

And now the FB for the Vikings fumbles and the Titans D recovers in Viking territory.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:27pm

Lendale White fumbles at goal line into end zone, ruled a touchback. May be a challenge coming...

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:29pm

And White fumbles in the scrum at the goal line, Vikings recover in the endzone. The defense keeps getting bailed out at the goal line. That's not going to keep happening.

Edit: Challenge overturns, now at the 1 yard line.

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:29pm

Those Jets throw-back unis are Yoooo-gly!

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:29pm

Favre does not look good. He's underthrowing receivers and doesn't seem to have his usual zip. It's possible he's using more touch because of the wet conditions.

(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:29pm

It is indeed overturned. 3rd and goal at the 1 foot line.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:31pm

and Titans run wide with absolutely no one on that side y the Vikes. Johnson walks leisurely into end zone (strutting befre he breaks the plane, it was that open)...

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:31pm

And Chris Johnson waltzes into the end zone. Vikings are going to lose badly if they can't stop him from getting yards at will.

by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:33pm

I'm beginning to think that starting Selvin Young ahead of Chris Johnson was a bit of a tactical mistake...

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:35pm

Vikes completely out of sync... Berrian drops an uncontested pass right after the Titans TD..

by morganja :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:37pm

This idiot needs to take the rest of the year off. He is awful. I supported him after the Denver fiasco, but he and his crew have called two non-existent personal fouls to start the game that cost the Panthers a touchdown. On replay, it is clear that there is no penalty and watching full speed it was clear there should have been no penalty. He obviously can no longer handle the job at this point.

He was once a good ref. He is terrible now. A year long sabbatical might get his mind back. But there is no excuse for starting a game off with two consecutive horrible PI calls like that.

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:39pm

Well, Gus not doing the 3 yrd dump off on 3rd and long is a good sign. Vikings offense doing decently (aside from the Berrian drop).

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:40pm

Anyone watching DEN/KC? Two drives by DEN ending in one fumble and one punt? I thought they were unstoppable.

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:42pm

Jeeze. Warner hangs on to the ball way too long, and he still throws a pick-6.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:42pm

Peterson breaks loose, 28 yard TD...

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:43pm

Damn. A nice 28 yard run by Peterson gets the Vikings some points.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:44pm

Peterson blew past his blockers, two titans who looked like they had an angle on him, then a third got his arms on AD's shoulder pads and Peterson just forced his way inside the pylon.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:46pm

Earnest Graham looking to repeat his Loser-League-leading performance from last week. I believe he currently has 5 yards on 4 carries.

by BucNasty :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:49pm

We need Davin Joseph back.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:49pm

This may not even bear mentioning any more, but the Titans offense is completely different with Kerry Collins.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:50pm

Denver offense showing signs of life...

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:50pm

Justin Gage is open on every play here. Vikings trying to play man coverage on him and failing miserably.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:51pm

You can't stop Justin Gage; you can only hope to contain him.

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:07pm

I'm glad to see Gage doing well.


Jacks RULE!

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:52pm

Aaaaaaaaaand Cutler to Marshall for 6. Sometimes one needs a quarter to wake up, I suppose.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:53pm

nothing like a delay of game before kicking a FG. He makes it anyway.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:01pm


by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:58pm

And the Cardinals' illusion of being a professional football team are now pretty much over for another season.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:59pm

Oh lordy. I was just about to make a positive comment about Harvard boy Ryan Fitzpatrick (I'm forced to watch the we-couldn't-beat-USC-either bowl 'cause I'm in the midwest and too cheap to get Sunday Ticket), and then he throws one of the ugliest picks in recent memory. Deep in Cleveland territory, he had all the time in the world to throw and a receiver wide open between zones, and he just airmailed the ball 10 feet over his man's head right to the safety.

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 1:59pm

Maybe I overstated the Favre situation. Then again, it's not hard to throw to a guy who's practically standing still with no defenders within 15 yards.

(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:10pm

As it turned out, you weren't even close.

Jacks RULE!

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:03pm

Gus Frerotte, who has been playing well, might be injured...

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:17pm

Warner throws another interception. How bad does this have to get before Leinart comes in?

ETA: and now Warner fumbles under pressure; Jets recover. The carnage continues...

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:04pm

Green Bay's tackling has been atrocious the last couple of series, especially the LBs.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:08pm

EJ Henderson injured ankle. His loss would be huge...

by JasonK :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:09pm


Bengals run the good ol' throw-a-pick, force-a-fumble-on-the-return, recover-the-fumble-for-a-first-down play.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:13pm

Yeah and Rich Gannon mentions twice what a great effort Chad Johnson made on the play, when all he did was let the fumble bounce into his hands. It was a great play by Chris Perry to knock the ball out.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:10pm

EJ Henderson carted off...

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:12pm

And Peterson fumbles at his own 10....

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:12pm

So, Henderson carted off to the locker room, Peterson fumbles immediately. Titans have the ball now on like the 11. At least Frerotte still seems to be ok...

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:15pm

Ugly throw by Rodgers missing an open Driver leads to an INT. Chad Clifton gave up a sack the play before, and allowed pressure on the INT.

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:17pm

Nick Collins hands of stoneā„¢ strike again.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:18pm

The titans went on 4th and 1... spot gave him first but looked generous. Also there was a clear fumble but that stupid rule means they can't challenge posession... so vikes challenge the spot.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:19pm

despite clearly being short "ruling on the field stands". vikes have been screwed by that twice now...

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:24pm

Bucs also go for it on 4th and 1 (on the GB 20). Chucky showing some stones.

Edit: But they waste the conversion with a false start and 2 passes batted down at the LOS.

by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:23pm

Am I watching professional teams here? Cleveland has taken about five offsides penalties for lining up offsides (not jumping, just lining up in the neutral zone), and intercepted a pass only to fumble it back. Meanwhile, Cincy just ended the half by squib kicking with a few seconds left (Cleveland was virtually guaranteed to take a knee and head to halftime), but then the Bengals take a personal foul and give it to the Browns on the Cincy 45. Time for one hail mary attempt, and Anderson can't even get it to the end zone.

And both of these teams are still better than the Missouri teams.

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:14pm

Maybe not this week.

Jacks RULE!

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:24pm

The call was ridiculous... receiver needed the 1,he didn't make the 1, about the 1.5 and he fought for more yards. Not only do they not overturn the call they then plae the ball at the half yard line. I don't know how more clear the replay could be. I could understand it in real time but having a replay it was well short. half a yard at best forward progress.

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:30pm

How the hell did the Jets score all 34 of their points in one quarter?

That's messed up.

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:49pm

Jets have 20 points off Carninals turnovers.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:30pm

Bernard Berrian!!!! the new Troy Williamson. He had a TD...

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:31pm

Warner is dropping the ball like Tony Banks today. The Jets are dominating the scoreboard and it's because of turnovers.

(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:31pm

Dammit Berrian! There's no excuse for dropping that one. That was huge you bastard.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:38pm

Titans are up by 10, with two TDs off Minnesota fumbles. The titans also fumbled twice, on the drives after those fumbles. Officials overturned first, TD on next play, and didn't call 2nd (even with review), TD on next play.

Titans now fumble snap with 10 seconds left. Vikes have no Timeouts from that failed challenge...

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:39pm

Well, apparently, E.J. is relatively ok, since he just recovered the fumble. 10 seconds and no timeouts, and the Vikings need at least 10-15 yards.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:40pm

and longwell ends the half by hitting the upright.

by Moridin :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:40pm

*sigh* Longwell's 48 yard FG doinks off the uprights, no points off the fumble.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:45pm

Just turned on the Jags-Texans, and saw Kevin Walter break multiple tackles.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:04pm

Boy, is it dead in here.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:19pm

yes, yes it is.

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:31pm

For all of the nice parts to the website redesign, this format does not really work very well for the gameday threads.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:34pm

Has it been more/less/about the same the first three weeks in here?

by PatsFan :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:29pm

Agreed. This is a lousy format for rapid-fire commenting.

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:32pm

Is that because you go back to page one after you post a comment, instead of back to the comment?

Jacks RULE!

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:08pm

Somebody needs to tell the Jets it's too early to play prevent defense.

ETA: why on Earth did they go for the 2-point conversion?

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:09pm

Dammit Chldress.... 3rd and 1 and you send Peterson out, line up in shotgun and then miss a pass... because maybe the Titans aren't having to respenct the run? ya think?

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:15pm

Arizona runs it in with James, goes for 2 and makes it, and then recovers an onside kick. Long pass to Fitzgerald and now they are on the 1 yard line again. Yikes.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:15pm

I have to root for TB today, but I really wish I didn't. They're a very unlovable team, from their smug coach to their dirty, dirty players. Dunn is about the only guy I have any positive associations with.

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:19pm

Hey look, it's Jeremy Trueblood hitting someone way after the whistle! Who would have expected that?

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:16pm

Wow. Cardinals get a TD and close to 13 points.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:18pm

... and Hightower runs it in for Arizona. They go for two again, and fail this time. This was odd, since after the TD it was 34-21, and a PAT puts them down 12... a touchdown and two FGs wins it, and there's time for that left (still ~3 min left in the 3rd). Now, though, they absolutely need two touchdowns to win.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:22pm

Minnesota is just killing every drive with penalties. Wade holds and wipes out a nice run by Peterson...(pretty phantom call too)

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:28pm

I have to root for TB today, but I really wish I didn't. They're a very unlovable team, from their smug coach to their dirty, dirty players. Dunn is about the only guy I have any positive associations with.

Can't you root for kicker Matt Bryant??

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:36pm

Begone, bloody italians!

by TomC :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:04pm

I would not trivialize the horrible experience he just went through by implying it would somehow be made up for by winning a football game.

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:30pm

Thank God for Brian Griese

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:32pm

Dear Raiders:

Thank you for Charles Woodson.

All Packers fans, everywhere

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:33pm

game over in Minnesota. One play after missing on an exchange with Sidney Rice in the end zone, Frerotte and Birk bunle a snap Titans recover 3rd viking fumble...

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:37pm

Jags offensive plan has turned into: Garrard drops back, doesn't see anyone open, runs through huge hole for 8 yards. Rinse and repeat.

by TTLG :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:40pm

and he takes a designed run for a TD

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:43pm

Still not over in Arizona, as Warner throws a strike to Boldin to keep it interesting.

by Rocco :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:44pm

How is KC beating Denver by 10?

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:46pm

Cutler is going for big plays and the KC front seven has been able to get a lot of pressure (only one sack, but he's not getting a lot of time). They've also been able to take away the Denver running game.

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:44pm

Matt Flynn is in for Rodgers, who injured his shoulder.

This is bogus. We want Vroom!

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:46pm

Best. Raiderjoe. Post. Ever.

One downside to the redesign is that we seem to have lost Raiderjoe. Reasons why I can only guess...

by dianagram :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:46pm

I think I had a Sarah Palin moment when I chose to sit Laverneus Coles this week in my fantasy league ....


by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:18pm

A Palin would be where you do something that gets your fans all excited. Making the choice that gives you nothing while the other choice would have won it for you is pulling a Biden.

/There is a reason they ask to keep the politics off the boards. You delete yours, I will delete mine.

by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:50pm

Houston hits a 47 yard FG at the end of regulation. On to overtime...

by dianagram :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:52pm

4th and 1 at Cards 40, Favre to Cotchery for TD ....

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:52pm

Hey! Whitworth! You're an OG. When the QB fumbles and you're near the ball? DON'T TRY TO PICK IT UP. You're clumsy and oafish; fall on it. You tried to get cute and now the Bungles will lose. Dope.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:53pm

Why am I still watching the Cleveland/Cincy crapfest? I know I'm a displaced Browns fan and don't get to see them often, but wow, this is some awful football. It's like Michigan's first half against Wisconsin's second half, only with more guys lining up offside on 3rd and 2.

Alright, I know a slight bit about football. Everything I'd seen so far this year told me that Denver wasn't utterly pathetic. So how in the world are they losing to Kansas City? (I would say "how is KC beating them", but I think the way I phrased it is a reasonable assumption.)

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:56pm

Huard is not Thigpen. The defense isn't New Orleans' and isn't San Diego's. Cutler is just a little off today (although not horrible). They have fumbled a few times.

In other words, Denver's offense is not having its best day and probably isn't as good as they looked against some suspect defenses. Kansas City's offense was hindered by a god-awful quarterback and by playing the Pats defense in week one.

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:55pm

I feel a Matt Flynn either pick-six or Sack and fumble coming when he tries to run the two minute drill

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:00pm

Right song, wrong verse. Gaines Adams absolutely buried Rodgers.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:02pm

And my opponent in FF has Ernest Graham. That's just adding insult to injury.

by Flounder :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:00pm

How in holy hell, is no one assigned to block the god-damned defensive end

by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:01pm

And in a fitting end, Cleveland gets an illegal substitution penalty for 12 men in the huddle before they kneel to end it.

On the bright side, there were some signs of life from the new and improved Cleveland defensive line. I think this was one of the three games a year where Rogers pretends to care.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:07pm

Green's first pass as a Ram....and it's nearly picked off. Not a good start.

by cd6 :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:07pm

Cliff Russell of the Broncos just left the field on a stretcher. He gave a little wave s hopefully its not too bad. Game was stopped for six minutes or so. Wierd that they didn't have a car, some guys pushed the stretcher all the way off the field.
Hope he's ok.

by dianagram :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:08pm

Raiders tearing up Chargers on first drive ... AND Phil Simms is calling the game.


by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:09pm

stupid stupid timeout by Frerotte Down by 6,4 mintes left and one TO, can't line upandso Gus calls timeout. Saving hem about 1 yard.

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:09pm

The Chefs go up 26-16 with 3:49 to play. Great Googly Moogly.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by cd6 :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:11pm

Chiefs kicked a field goal to make it a two score game with 3:49 to go. This field goal a direct result of the previous kickoff being returned to midfield. Herm, being Herm, just kept running and Denver stopped them, though it was in FG range.

Considering how Cutler has been playing, I doubt he's got two scoring drives in three minutes in him.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:11pm

Frerotte throw game ending INT... and he is hit, and blood streaming down his hand...

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:17pm

Nice defensive effort by the Cardinals. Good grief!

by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:17pm

I wonder is Ed Hoculi is going to have to have a Popemobile drive him to his car after the Personal Foul call at the beginning o fthe game.

At least the Panthers won, and the call was at the beginning of the game, so it's not a game-changer, after all.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:18pm

down by 13 with 2 minutes left...no timeouts.. and Childress punts. I mean, what have you got to lose?

by Jesse :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:22pm

TMQ is going to rip Childress big time for this one, and well-deserved it will be.

by cd6 :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:19pm

Wow, Denver with an amazingly close shot at the onside but can't recover. Chiefs have the ball. That's the nicest non-recovered onside attempt you'll ever see.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:20pm

TD Rams! And for the first time in 2008, they have a lead.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:21pm

Evening all. Good start for the 'Skins.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by dianagram :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:23pm

Anquan Boldin got speared in head going up for pass .... he's getting carted off ...

by sgonk :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:35pm

Gotta at least be a fine for that hit, no? I hope a suspension, too.

I hope Boldin's OK. That was a ridiculous hit and completely illegal.

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:26pm

I don't think a penalty was even called. Strange. The NFL play by play has Boldin finishing the game.

Jacks RULE!

by sgonk :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:59pm

That no call was strange, in hindsight. I didn't think of that at the time--maybe they didn't call a penalty because the defender (smith?) was also shaken up.

At least Boldin is OK.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:24pm

And as I write an penalty and a drop bring the drive to an end...

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:25pm

And what the f*ck happened at Arrowhead?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:27pm

scary injury as Anquin Boldin is immobilized and carted off field... hopefully precaution...

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:29pm

Hopefully Boldin wasn't seriously injured because the Cards were pursuing a meaningless touchdown in a game long ago decided.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:40pm

Finally got in front of a TV in time to catch DAL-WAS in the middle of the 1st quarter. Still trying to catch up on the rest of this week's action...

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:46pm

Say it with me: That's an end-around, not a reverse.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:50pm

Hmmmm. Dallas' O doesn't seem to be clicking. Well, that and the WAS D is really playing well. The gimmick end-around play is an odd call, too. Followed by a botched 3rd down... oh, but you just can't drag Clayton down like that. Let's try again...

(Edit because you're right-- without the change of direction, it's not a reverse!)

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:10pm

Washington's D held the Giants to 16, the Saints to 24, and the Cards to 17. If Dallas doesn't look good it's probably due to the Skins' D.

(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:51pm

Free Rock Cartwright! If he can remember his name...

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Rocco :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:00pm

Is it opposites day in the AFC West? Oakland is up 12-0 on the Chargers.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:01pm

WAS is putting together a nice drive against the Cowboys' D. Nice mix of run and pass. Another 1st and 10, now ca. the 20. Looks like a TD is just around the corner...

by Grouchy Bills Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:03pm

Wow this is just like last year. The Bills are not showing up against a weak opponent, not running enough, and Brian Moorman is having a fantastic day.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:04pm

And there's the Redskins TD. Roy Williams slips as the WAS receiver changes direction while going in motion, and has an easy catch.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:04pm

Raiders scored a long TD on a route that involved Zach Miller running straight ahead with no one defending him.

And now Rivers hits the CB in stride...

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:10pm

And illegal formation on the Chargers during a 4th and 3 Raiders FG attempt. Holy moly.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:18pm

3rd and goal from the 3, JaMarcus scrambles and is tackled at the 1. Looked like he could've gotten in if he'd just run someone over, but he tried to make a little move and Jammer made a good tackle.

Raiders go for it on 4th down and Michael Bush gets in, but a holding penalty negates it and they kick the FG anyway.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:18pm

Cowboys' D looks confused and rather uninspired. Ugh. Graphic shows a 122-7 difference in yards this quarter. And that's with 6 minutes left. If they keep this up, they'll be lucky to be down 21-7. As it stands, they're down 14-7 with that TD pass....

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:26pm


by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:30pm

Can anyone with a spare pair of cleats post them to Terence Newman, c/o Texas Stadium?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:33pm

Right. He's not 100%, it seems, and if his help is Williams over the top (unless I missed something? Possible), that's bad.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:33pm

Chargers put together a pretty good drive, then the Raiders got two consecutive sacks and blocked the FG.

Then as the half expires the Raiders attempt a 76 (seventy-six!!?!) yard FG. Gets far closer than it has any right to...

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:36pm

Man. Romo is off on almost every throw! What's going on?

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:56pm

They did it to the Giants, too. The first quarter we had our way with them, but after that, they kept the G-men off balance and from being explosive on offense.

They are a good team.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 5:44pm

Dallas is down 17-10 at the half, and they're lucky. Romo is off on passes he normally makes, and the defense is have a hard time in coverage. Washington, on the other hand, is doing brilliantly in coverage and their offense really seems to be clicking.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:00pm

I'm with Troy Aikman. Why should TO (or anyone else) get special praise for trying?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:02pm

Wow. Romo throws a pass in the Red Zone into double coverage and completes it for a TD! How often has that happened this year?

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:06pm

That was a really nice tackle by Zack Thomas on a pretty sweetly executed delayed draw off the fake screen.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:07pm

Gotta love the 6 yard draw on 3rd and 23, cause a 51 yard field goal is so much more likely than a 57 yard field goal.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:10pm

Rivers gifts another one to the Raiders, but they give it right back on a high throw on a screen pass by JaMarcus that McFadden tipped a bit, into the hands of the Chargers. In general, SD seems to be getting it together this half...

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:10pm

Ugh. Dallas is just not playing good D right now. But they have their penalties down, at least...

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:13pm

Not a drive Casey Rabach will remember with any fondness. Ugh.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:13pm

Jason Campbell, meast. Casey Rabach, colossal loser.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:13pm

First and goal for the skins, and two penalties by Casey Rabach call back two separate TDs.


by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:13pm

Ok, I missed something. How did that horrible effort defensive effort by Dallas not result in a TD? Was Washington offsides?

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:15pm

Was had a lineman downfield, same lineman who commited the hold on the Portis TD.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:15pm

Casey Rabach. One TD wiped because he was holding, and then a second because he was ineligible downfield. He was the most effective Cowboy defender on the field.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Lance :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:18pm

Ha! No shit. I saw the first penalty, but missed the second. And yes, with the way Dallas finished their tackles on that second TD, they'll need help from penalties to survive.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:19pm

TD Chargers, now 15-10 Raiders. I haven't been playing that close attention, but it looked like Huff blew the help coverage to leave Gates pretty open. Raiders will manage to lose this.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:21pm

TD Chargers, now 15-10 Raiders. It looked like Huff blew the help coverage to leave Gates pretty open. Raiders will manage to lose this.

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:25pm


by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:26pm

Yep, 18-15 SD after the 2-pt conversion

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:40pm

Washington is hemorrhaging DBs...and as I type it, Horton picks off Romo! Boo. Yah.

Still, Smoot came off the field looking like he had no idea where he was. Not a good sign.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:40pm

Oh my. The 'Skins are basically pulling corners out of the crowd and Romo throws a pick.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:46pm

Cooley finally getting involved, and there are audible calls of COOOOOOOO-ley, even in Dallas.

He also managed the slip on the red strip they put on the ground on the sidelines under the sticks. Never seen that before.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:53pm

Well, not over yet... Raiders put together a decent drive and tie it at 18 with a bit under 3 mins left.

Aaaand Sproles rips off a huge return, down to the Raiders' 35.

Having not paid too much attention to Oakland the last few years, I had thought that Lane Kiffin was a pretty good coach... and while I haven't noticed any egregious mistakes this game, his teams DO seem to blow an awful lot of 4th quarter leads, at least according to the announcers...

by Trogdor :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:59pm

In fairness to Kiffin, it's possible that the blown leads actually reflect positively on him. Maybe the Raiders are so awful that the only reason they ever get the lead is because he's such a good coach. I dunno, I only see them like twice a year, but they've looked woefully undertalented whenever I sees 'em.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:58pm

Raiders hold SD to a FG attempt, and will get the ball back with 1:51 left and all their timeouts. The Legend of JaMarcus begins now?

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:08pm

Not so much, the Raiders reel off one of the fastest 4-and-outs I've ever seen. The silver lining is that they didn't use any timeouts, so they actually ought to get the ball back if they........

don't do that. Tomlinson broke free on a run, TD Chargers.

EDIT: run, not a reception

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:04pm

Considering both TDs came on JaMarcus turnovers, I'm not about to start singing his praises.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:05pm

How do you have 12 men on the field after a Time out? That's ridiculous.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:06pm

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:07pm

Wow, are the Skins dominating in time of possession. Very impressive.

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:10pm

Grow a pair, Zorn.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:14pm


(What would Spagnolo do?)

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:24pm

Oh goodie, Onside Kick time. And The Skins have the worst special team voa in the league.

Dallas player gets two hands on it, but doesn't hold on. Game over, and I'm bouncing off the walls here, baby. Bring on the opponent adjustments!

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:20pm

I hope this is an object lesson for a new head coach: Always, always, ALWAYS go for the jugular in the NFL.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by James-London :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:21pm

Gotta love the prevent (nothing) defense.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:33pm

I don't know about that. The Skins could afford to give up a TD as long as it took time off the clock. That's exactly what happened. I'd say the prevent was successful in that case.

(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")

by Telamon :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:48pm

If it prevents the Cowboys from winning, I'm down with it.

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 7:43pm

How odd.

Do I wish the Eagles success tonight, since the Giants are undefeated and since I appreciate the exceptional and the NFC East might have a historically strong out-of-division record this year?

Or do I wish them locusts?

I can't believe I am saying this, but I think the extraordinary outweighs the "being alone in 1st place." Go Eagles?

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:12pm

Wouldn't the Giants be in 1st no matter what? 3-0 is better than 3-1.

by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:27pm

That's his point, he can root for the Eagles over the Bears since the Giants will lead the NFC East regardless. I'm still mad that my Eagles finished last in the East last year and yet have to face the Bears and not the Lions. I understand why, but if you finish last in your division in the NFC, you should automatically get to play the Lions.

I'm kinda pissed- I was excited to finally see some West Coast FO favorites, Adrian Wilson and Nnamdi Asomugha (I live on the East Coast and don't have NFL Sunday ticket, plus I haven't been able to watch a lot of football in the past few years). Too bad neither one played. Oh well. Time to cheer on my Eagles against the hated Bears!

(Since I fail at typing my Captcha, I get to add that that was a nice three-and-out. Boooo.)

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:39pm

Yeah, we would. But first by half a game is not as good as first by a game and a half.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:18pm

So, what crazy thing will DeShean do this week?

by dianagram :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:25pm

Westbrook out means I take the Under on the game (40)

by Anonymous (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:07pm

21-14 at the half...

Looks like over will win it barring a complete lack of scoring in the 2nd half

by D :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:31pm

So that's what passing offense looks like. Us Bear's fans have not seen one in a while.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 8:54pm

"Ground control to Major Tom" in the Lincoln commercial. Think they realize the song is about Major Tom's rocket having massive mechanical failures causing his death?

by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:10pm

It's Ford. That's quite typical for their vehicles.

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:43pm

I think the song is about him deciding to take his own life in space.

by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:09pm

Little known fact: "Admiral Barky" is actually the Bears' emergency quarterback.

by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:10pm

Attention, John Madden- your job is not to talk about dinner, show pictures of dinner, or cut away from the field so we can see you gesture about how much food you ate. Please just call the damn game.

by Telamon :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:36am

Better that then those damn MNF broadcast booth interviews.

by Crus :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:11pm

You wanted to know what crazy thing DeSean would do? there you go. Damn Special Teams.

by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:12pm

Live by the DeSean, die by the DeSean.

by CoachDave :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:13pm

That sound you just heard was Rex Grossman realizing he is done in Chicago.

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:27pm

Heh, Kevin Jones is running like he stole somebody's luggage.

by Harris :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 9:39pm

The pass defense looks putrid tonight. Kyle Orton should be running a Tilt-A-Whirl, not carving up a team with Super Bowl aspirations.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Justin Zeth :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:16pm

Your Honor, I'd like this to be marked as Exhibit 952 in the case that the Steelers' offensive line is the very worst in NFL History.

Ben Roethlisberger against the Eagles, week 3: 13-25, 131 yards, 1 interception, 8 sacks, 2 fumbles lost.

Kyle Orton against the Eagles, week 4, in the first half: 15-24, 174 yards, 3 touchdowns, 1 interception, 2 sacks.

Your Honor, the prosecution rests.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:24pm

THERE'S the real Kyle Orton! I was getting worried for a bit...

by Dales :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:28pm

Nice return, Hester.

by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:29pm

Damn it DeSean, get your head right.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:31pm

The Dark Side of Devin Hester.

And a near-safety!

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:37pm

Is Buckhalter injured? I had to step away from the game for a while but I thought I saw something about it.

by compucrazy :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:40pm

Yea, Buckhalter is injured, big surprise there.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:43pm

Wow, what's with Stone Hands Booker? He can't block, either.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:46pm

Akers looks really bad, too. Talk about your hangovers from last week!

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:50pm

The Light Side of Devin Hester.

by Dan :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:52pm

Orton is blind to both sides.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:53pm

And Orton seems to be fully back to normality. Are the Eagles doing something different defensively this half? (I didn't see the first, and probably wouldn't be able to tell anyway :p)

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:54pm

Buck's back in the game.

by Pat F. :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:56pm

Goy... this game has gotten very ugly for both offenses

by Crus :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 10:56pm

the Bears are handing this game to the Eagles, the only problem is the Eagles are using Booker to receive it from them.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:04pm

Dear Eagles:
A touchdown would sure be nice right about now.


by DaveInTucson :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:11pm

Eagles' D is giving up way to many 3rd-and-longs.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:11pm

Watching this game is torture. And yet I cannot turn away.

by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:15pm

Seconded. Westbrook, we really really miss you.

by Spoilt Victoria... :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:20pm

I'd like to see the Eagles show a little more urgency, since it's a two-possession game and all.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:23pm

GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!

by B :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:24pm

Philly has to go for it, right? We know they can't run a two-minute drill in less than four minutes, so this is their last shot.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:26pm


by navin :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:03am

Because I have McNabb on my fantasy team and that would have won the game for me.

by CathyW :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:40pm

Oh my god. That was just pathetic. Ugh.

by Wait, what? (not verified) :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:41pm


by Crus :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:42pm

Ah the good old philly 2 minute drill.

All I can see in those endless repeats of the Bears 4th down stop at the goalline is Schobel blocking thin air in front of him as 2 Bears run past behind him. Can't block, Can't catch... he's pushing hard to be cut sometime before the offseason.

by andrew :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:42pm

And he doesn't get out of bounds... game over.

I always wonder why they don't tell players to fling the ball out of bounds (not forward lateral, but slightly backwards) when that happens to stop the play immediately.

by troycapitated p... :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 8:05pm

"Fumbling" on purpose seems to violate the spirit of the rules, and, if this behavior were to become prevelent, I'm sure a rule would be written to cover it, if, in fact, none currently exist.

by Spoilt Victoria... :: Sun, 09/28/2008 - 11:43pm

That overhead replay really drives home how easy it would have been to sneak it in.

Christ I hate this team.

by Jimmy :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:09am

A Bears team with a good looking offense and a nasty, stingy defense turned up tonight. Shame one turned up in the first half and disappeared in the second and the other only seemed to come to life once the other one had died. As a Bears fan I am a big booster for whichever Orton twin (there must be two of them) played the first half but have serious misgivings about his idiot brother who stunk up the second.

St Clair and Tait weren't able to cope with Philly's ends when left on their own for long, they always seemed to get to Orton when the Bears tried to go to a five step drop without giving them help, especially during the third quarter. I wouldn't say either player is going to start for anyone after this year (they shouldn't be starting now, but the Bears have little else).

Still at least they avoided slipping to 1-3, and beat a good team doing it. Even with out Harris, and I think Orton might have missed Lloyd (which is surely an indictment of the Bears receiving corps).

by TomC :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:53am

Be fair: Lloyd has done nothing this season to live up to his FO reputation. He's actually getting open regularly, he's made a couple of those ridiculous cathches that Illini fans remember him for, and he hasn't dropped anything. I hope he's not seriously injured.

by tally :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 7:50pm

Anyone watching the Monday Night pregame show? Bart Scott just said of Mendenhall, "He should have let sleeping dogs...lying giants sleep." Is he taking lessons from Emmitt Smith?

by Rocco :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 8:57pm

What did Holmes do to get a flag?

by Rocco :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 9:04pm

One Steelers drive, one sack allowed. That's actually an improvement for the o-line.

by B :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 9:09pm

I'm no strategy genius, but the Ravens might wanna block Harrison.

by B :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 9:19pm

Or Hold him. that works too.

by Rocco :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 9:12pm

What was BRoeth looking at? Did the ball slip? It looked like he threw it right to the Raven there.

by B :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 10:20pm

The Ravens are evidently afraid of the red zone. They got all the way to the two, then marched backwards. A penalty on the Steelers, and they're on the 4!
TD Ravens! guess they've gotten over their phobia.

by B :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 10:59pm

Two touchdowns in the same game? This is much more than I was expecting.

by andrew :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:02pm

Was that holding or what on the Steelers line on that Holmes Touchdown?

But still, good play by Holmes... game on...

by andrew :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:04pm

Wow, what a turnaround.

I guess you give the game ball to Hines Ward...

by lionsbob :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:39pm

Watching LeRon McClain look pretty decent running the ball just pisses me off more and more about the Shula era at Alabama. McClain never got the ball, even though when he did he was picking up yards.

by andrew :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:42pm

Touchdown McClain... and Shula didn't play this guy? wow... (never paid much attention to Alabama during that era).. you'd think his dad would have told him something about a power running attack...

by lionsbob :: Mon, 09/29/2008 - 11:51pm

Used him pretty much as a straight up blocking back. He caught a handful of passes out of the backfield. But even on the goal-line, they went with the jumbo package, with Tim Castille getting the ball-even after it was evident that Castille was not the same after a knee injury. You would think his years with Alstott on his roster he would have gotten it as well.

Just using pro-football-reference real quick. McClain got 36 carries his final 3 seasons at Bama. He has around 42 right now with the Ravens this year.

by B :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:00am

This game is never going to end, right?

by andrew :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:01am

Jaws is right... if the Ravens win the toss... they should defer.

by B :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:03am

Also, I'd like to thank TO for distracting the media from the Favre/Rogers debate I thought we were going to be stuck with.

by Moridin :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:16am

Well, I can't say I've ever really seen a handoff to a back already falling down, but that was amusing.

Also, I do think the icing the kicker timeout should've been penalized already.

by andrew :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:18am

How could you write a rule to stop icing the kicker? What if the defense suddenly realizes there is a man uncovered and the other team could fake it for an easy TD? What if they have 12 men on the field, and realize it just before the snap?

by Moridin :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 12:24am

True, and anything I can think of (like requiring the coach or player who calls timeout to give a legitimate reason to not get the penalty) can easily be circumvented by actually having 12 men on the field and calling a timeout with that being the reason, etc etc.

Its just annoying when its so obviously blatant and widespread.

by andrew :: Tue, 09/30/2008 - 9:25am

How about this. Before a kick, the coach tells the ref that there will be no timeout, and that specifically if player X asks for one to not grant it. Then as the kicker lines up, on cue player X starts wildly signalling for a timeout, and all the other players act as if there is no play.

by gophils :: Thu, 10/02/2008 - 3:08pm

can we get a week 5 discussion thread?