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Week 10 DVOA Ratings

by Aaron Schatz

The big news in this week's Football Outsiders DVOA ratings is the impact of the Rams' huge blowout upset of the Indianapolis Colts. The Colts, who were third overall in DVOA just a couple weeks ago, drop from fifth all the way down to 14th. That's a huge change at this point in the season; remember, because DVOA considers every single game, team ranks change much less each week compared to subjective "power rankings" which tend to overreact to a single game. Perhaps DVOA is overreacting to a single game as well, but when you add every single play of this game to every other single play the Colts have run this year... well, that's a lot of bad plays. The Rams, in turn, jump ten spots from 26th to 16th based on this one game. This isn't just about rankings changing because teams are bunched close together. Indianapolis' overall DVOA dropped from 20.2% to 3.6%, while St. Louis went from -13.2% to -2.9%.

With opponent adjustments, the Colts' single-game DVOA of -107.1% is the third-lowest of the season, trailing only Jacksonville in their 28-2 loss to Kansas City in Week 1 (-118.9% DVOA) and Oakland in last week's 49-20 loss to Philadelphia (-109.0% DVOA).

Most of the other teams stay in roughly the same places this week. Of course, Football Outsiders already had Carolina ranked third, so their win over San Francisco wasn't a huge surprise (it was our ESPN Upset Watch, after all) and the Panthers' overall DVOA only rises by 2.7%. In the NFC North, Detroit moves up while Green Bay and Chicago move down. In the NFC South, the Saints and Bucs move up while the Falcons move down. And just in case you were looking for more evidence of Football Outsiders' pro-Patriots bias, New England moves from 11th to seventh without even playing a game. In reality, the Patriots just moved up by a few tenths of a percentage point in DVOA because of changes in opponent adjustments; it helps a team's ranking when a few teams above you (Green Bay, Cincinnati, Indianapolis) lose during your bye week.

One split that's interesting to note is the split between the AFC and NFC. Going into this season, it certainly looked like the NFC was the clearly dominant conference. Early results went completely counter to this expectation. The AFC started 11-3 against the NFC in the first three weeks of the season. But a few weeks later, things have evened out. The AFC and NFC are now at 23-23 in interconference games, and the NFC dominance is once again showing itself in the DVOA rankings. Denver may be our top team, but NFC teams currently rank second through sixth. The NFC also has nine of the top 13 teams and 11 of the top 16 teams. The bottom eight teams all represent either the AFC or the NFC East.

I had someone from the Washington Post contact me to ask about Washington's playoff chances this year compared to last year when they were also 3-6 through nine games. The similarity between the two years is actually quite remarkable. Last year, we gave Washington a 4.5 percent chance to make the playoffs after Week 10. This year it's about half that, 2.1 percent, despite the fact that Washington is one game closer to first place in the division compared to a year ago. The difference is in total DVOA; Washington is 30th overall right now, compared to 21st overall last year at this time. But if we look at the rankings in each category, the differences aren't really that big. Last year at this time, Washington was 14th in offense, 23rd in defense, and 28th in special teams. This year, Washington is 15th in offense, 24th in defense, and 32nd in special teams. The difference between the two teams is almost entirely Washington's historically awful special teams performance -- which also is the unit most likely to improve in the second half of the season, since special teams performance is so much less consistent than offense or defense. As for schedule, a year ago we ranked Washington's remaining schedule 19th. This year, we rank Washington's remaining schedule... 19th.

BEST AND WORST DVOA EVER WATCH

Although Denver's overall DVOA rating is still number one, it's fallen quite a bit over the past few weeks. There are two reasons for that. First, with more information about how good teams are in 2013, it has become clear that the Broncos (along with the Chiefs and Chargers) have played a ridiculously easy schedule this season. Second, the Broncos have not matched their dominating victories of September in October and November. Their big Week 8 victory over Washington has a single-game DVOA of 69.8%, but they are below 10% in Weeks 5, 6, and 7, and just at 22.1% for this week's win over San Diego. The Broncos have now dropped off our list of the best total DVOA teams ever, which means we've dropped that table from our "Best and Worst Ever Watch." For those wondering, the Broncos are the 20th best team through Week 10 since 1989. The Broncos remain on the list for the best offensive DVOA ever. In addition, the Jaguars are still coming close to the worst DVOA ever despite their victory over Tennessee. One of the teams below them has a bit of an asterisk, as 1993 was the year with two bye weeks; the 1993 Buccaneers had only played eight games and were 2-6 after Week 10.

Meanwhile, we continue to see some of the worst special teams of all time from Washington, Houston, and the New York Giants. Mike Tanier wrote about that over at Sports on Earth a couple days ago.

BEST OFFENSIVE DVOA
THROUGH WEEK 10
x WORST TOTAL DVOA
THROUGH WEEK 10
x WORST OFFENSIVE DVOA
THROUGH WEEK 10
x WORST SPECIAL TEAMS DVOA
THROUGH WEEK 10
Year Team DVOA x Year Team DVOA x Year Team DVOA x Year Team DVOA
2007 NE 49.1% x 1993 TB -66.7% x 2005 SF -53.0% x 2010 SD -19.0%
1999 WAS 42.6% x 2005 SF -65.6% x 2002 HOU -47.0% x 2008 MIN -14.9%
1993 DAL 40.0% x 2013 JAC -62.3% x 2010 CAR -45.9% x 2013 WAS -14.2%
1995 DAL 37.4% x 1996 STL -56.5% x 2013 JAC -44.5% x 1997 PHI -12.9%
1998 DEN 36.4% x 2009 DET -56.4% x 1992 SEA -44.3% x 2011 CAR -12.2%
2013 DEN 35.4% x 2008 STL -53.1% x 2007 SF -43.8% x 1995 PHI -12.2%
2004 IND 34.7% x 2009 OAK -51.2% x 1996 STL -43.0% x 1997 STL -12.1%
1993 SF 34.1% x 2002 HOU -50.5% x 2009 OAK -42.7% x 2013 HOU -11.8%
2005 SD 33.9% x 2007 SF -50.3% x 1993 TB -41.2% x 2013 NYG -11.5%
2002 KC 33.6% x 1991 IND -50.1% x 1992 IND -39.9% x 2006 ARI -10.7%
2011 GB 33.5% x 2000 CIN -48.0% x 2006 OAK -39.7% x 2007 IND -10.2%
2010 NE 33.0% x 1999 CIN -47.8% x 2009 CLE -38.6% x 1998 OAK -10.1%

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During the 2013 season, we'll be partnering with EA Sports to bring special Football Outsiders-branded items to Madden 25 Ultimate Team. Each week, we'll be picking out a handful of players who starred in that week's games. Some of them will be well-known players who stood out in standard stats. Others will be under-the-radar players who only stood out with advanced stats, including DYAR, Defeats, and our game charting coverage stats for cornerbacks. We'll announce the players each Tuesday in the DVOA commentary article, and the players will be available in Madden Ultimate Team packs the following weekend, beginning Friday night.

The Football Outsiders stars for Week 10 are:

  • Luke Kuechly, MLB, CAR (Limited Edition): 11 tackles, 4 Defeats, PD, sack.
  • Davin Joseph, RG, TB: Tampa RB gained 87 yards on 11 carries listed as "right guard."
  • Kevin Williams, DT, MIN: 1.5 sacks and 4 TFL on runs.
  • Keenan Lewis, CB, NO: Limited Dez Bryant to just one catch.
  • Shane Lechler, P, HOU: Seven punts averaging 58.9 gross yards.

Other players we considered (not including players such as Vinny Rey and Tavon Austin who were on Madden's "Team of the Week") included Drew Brees, Alvin Bailey, Jarrell Freeman, Lardarius Webb, and Chris Jones.

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All 2013 stat pages are now updated or will be updated in the next few minutes, including snap counts, playoff odds, and the FO Premium database.

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These are the Football Outsiders team efficiency ratings through ten weeks of 2013, measured by our proprietary Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA) system that breaks down every single play and compares a team's performance to the league average based on situation in order to determine value over average. (Explained further here.)

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OFFENSE and DEFENSE DVOA are adjusted to consider all fumbles, kept or lost, as equal value. SPECIAL TEAMS DVOA is adjusted for type of stadium (warm, cold, dome, Denver) and week of season. WEIGHTED DVOA represents an attempt to figure out how a team is playing right now, as opposed to over the season as a whole, by making recent games more important than earlier games.

As always, positive numbers represent more points so DEFENSE is better when it is NEGATIVE.

To save people some time, please use the following format for all complaints:

<team> is clearly ranked <too high/too low> because <reason unrelated to DVOA>. <subjective ranking system> is way better than this. <unrelated team-supporting or -denigrating comment, preferably with poor spelling and/or chat-acceptable spelling>

TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
LAST
WEEK
WEIGHTED
DVOA
RANK W-L OFFENSE
DVOA
OFF.
RANK
DEFENSE
DVOA
DEF.
RANK
S.T.
DVOA
S.T.
RANK
1 DEN 36.9% 1 35.2% 1 8-1 35.4% 1 3.0% 20 4.5% 8
2 SEA 33.6% 2 32.1% 2 9-1 10.1% 8 -16.8% 3 6.8% 2
3 CAR 28.7% 3 31.3% 3 6-3 7.6% 10 -19.8% 1 1.3% 15
4 NO 23.2% 7 24.8% 4 7-2 21.7% 2 -3.7% 12 -2.2% 23
5 CHI 20.5% 4 20.1% 5 5-4 14.0% 6 -3.1% 13 3.4% 10
6 SF 15.0% 6 17.0% 6 6-3 8.8% 9 -5.0% 11 1.2% 16
7 NE 13.7% 11 14.5% 7 7-2 2.2% 14 -5.3% 10 6.2% 5
8 KC 13.0% 9 12.1% 9 9-0 -3.4% 18 -10.2% 7 6.2% 4
9 CIN 12.2% 8 12.5% 8 6-4 -2.6% 17 -11.8% 4 3.0% 11
10 DET 8.5% 13 9.2% 10 6-3 13.6% 7 2.6% 19 -2.5% 24
11 DAL 6.6% 12 7.2% 11 5-5 6.5% 12 7.2% 23 7.2% 1
12 ARI 6.2% 14 7.1% 12 5-4 -13.0% 27 -19.5% 2 -0.4% 20
13 GB 5.5% 10 4.2% 13 5-4 19.7% 4 11.1% 29 -3.1% 26
14 IND 3.6% 5 3.4% 14 6-3 6.1% 13 3.0% 21 0.5% 18
15 PHI 3.6% 16 3.0% 15 5-5 16.7% 5 10.3% 28 -2.8% 25
16 STL -2.9% 26 -3.0% 16 4-6 -10.2% 26 -1.7% 15 5.6% 6
TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
LAST
WEEK
WEIGHTED
DVOA
RANK W-L OFFENSE
DVOA
OFF.
RANK
DEFENSE
DVOA
DEF.
RANK
S.T.
DVOA
S.T.
RANK
17 SD -3.4% 15 -3.6% 18 4-5 20.3% 3 22.9% 32 -0.8% 21
18 MIA -3.8% 17 -5.1% 19 4-5 -3.6% 19 -1.6% 16 -1.9% 22
19 NYJ -4.3% 19 -3.3% 17 5-4 -21.7% 30 -11.2% 5 6.3% 3
20 TB -5.0% 23 -6.1% 20 1-8 -7.5% 22 -1.9% 14 0.6% 17
21 PIT -6.4% 24 -6.1% 21 3-6 0.8% 16 9.1% 27 1.9% 13
22 ATL -6.9% 18 -8.7% 25 2-7 6.9% 11 13.4% 30 -0.3% 19
23 BAL -7.5% 21 -6.4% 22 4-5 -20.1% 29 -10.4% 6 2.2% 12
24 MIN -8.4% 25 -7.8% 23 2-7 -5.5% 21 8.4% 25 5.5% 7
25 BUF -8.9% 20 -11.9% 27 3-7 -9.7% 25 -5.9% 9 -5.2% 28
26 CLE -10.1% 22 -7.9% 24 4-5 -9.4% 24 5.2% 22 4.5% 9
27 TEN -11.3% 27 -11.3% 26 4-5 -5.3% 20 -1.1% 17 -7.1% 29
28 NYG -19.9% 30 -19.2% 28 3-6 -14.7% 28 -6.2% 8 -11.5% 30
29 HOU -21.1% 29 -22.1% 30 2-7 -8.8% 23 0.4% 18 -11.8% 31
30 WAS -21.4% 28 -19.8% 29 3-6 0.9% 15 8.1% 24 -14.2% 32
31 OAK -35.9% 31 -36.3% 31 3-6 -23.3% 31 9.1% 26 -3.6% 27
32 JAC -62.3% 32 -60.5% 32 1-8 -44.5% 32 19.4% 31 1.6% 14
  • NON-ADJUSTED TOTAL DVOA does not include the adjustments for opponent strength or the adjustments for weather and altitude in special teams, and only penalizes offenses for lost fumbles rather than all fumbles.
  • ESTIMATED WINS uses a statistic known as "Forest Index" that emphasizes consistency as well as DVOA in the most important specific situations: red zone defense, first quarter offense, and performance in the second half when the score is close. It then projects a number of wins adjusted to a league-average schedule and a league-average rate of recovering fumbles. Teams that have had their bye week are projected as if they had played one game per week.
  • PAST SCHEDULE lists average DVOA of opponents played this season, ranked from hardest schedule (#1, most positive) to easiest schedule (#32, most negative). It is not adjusted for which games are home or road.
  • FUTURE SCHEDULE lists average DVOA of opponents still left to play this season, ranked from hardest schedule (#1, most positive) to easiest schedule (#32, most negative). It is not adjusted for which games are home or road.
  • VARIANCE measures the statistical variance of the team's weekly DVOA performance. Teams are ranked from most consistent (#1, lowest variance) to least consistent (#32, highest variance).



TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
W-L NON-ADJ
TOT VOA
ESTIM.
WINS
RANK PAST
SCHED
RANK FUTURE
SCHED
RANK VAR. RANK
1 DEN 36.9% 8-1 49.1% 9.4 1 -15.2% 31 -4.6% 22 10.1% 16
2 SEA 33.6% 9-1 35.9% 7.9 2 -5.6% 28 2.2% 11 11.8% 21
3 CAR 28.7% 6-3 31.4% 7.2 3 0.3% 18 5.7% 5 9.9% 15
4 NO 23.2% 7-2 27.7% 6.6 6 2.0% 12 13.0% 2 12.6% 23
5 CHI 20.5% 5-4 15.7% 7.0 4 0.2% 19 -1.9% 20 8.7% 13
6 SF 15.0% 6-3 12.7% 5.7 13 -2.2% 23 3.8% 8 18.9% 28
7 NE 13.7% 7-2 16.3% 6.5 7 -0.5% 20 2.0% 13 4.3% 1
8 KC 13.0% 9-0 27.0% 6.6 5 -17.7% 32 1.9% 15 4.8% 3
9 CIN 12.2% 6-4 15.8% 6.2 9 0.7% 16 -5.4% 24 14.2% 25
10 DET 8.5% 6-3 8.5% 6.0 12 3.5% 9 -5.4% 25 6.1% 5
11 DAL 6.6% 5-5 5.2% 6.0 11 2.9% 10 -7.9% 27 11.7% 20
12 ARI 6.2% 5-4 -0.5% 6.2 8 8.1% 3 -3.0% 21 7.0% 8
13 GB 5.5% 5-4 8.8% 5.6 15 1.4% 14 -0.9% 18 10.2% 18
14 IND 3.6% 6-3 5.6% 5.7 14 -4.9% 27 -10.6% 30 26.2% 31
15 PHI 3.6% 5-5 6.3% 6.1 10 -4.4% 26 2.0% 14 30.0% 32
16 STL -2.9% 4-6 -3.5% 4.0 24 -0.8% 22 15.6% 1 22.4% 29
TEAM TOTAL
DVOA
W-L NON-ADJ
TOT VOA
ESTIM.
WINS
RANK PAST
SCHED
RANK FUTURE
SCHED
RANK VAR. RANK
17 SD -3.4% 4-5 0.2% 4.4 18 -11.3% 30 2.2% 10 4.5% 2
18 MIA -3.8% 4-5 -2.1% 4.3 20 1.6% 13 2.2% 12 12.4% 22
19 NYJ -4.3% 5-4 -6.4% 4.9 16 2.7% 11 -5.9% 26 22.4% 30
20 TB -5.0% 1-8 -10.8% 3.7 25 10.5% 1 8.1% 4 6.2% 6
21 PIT -6.4% 3-6 -7.4% 4.1 23 -3.3% 24 -0.7% 17 6.6% 7
22 ATL -6.9% 2-7 -15.2% 4.7 17 9.9% 2 5.3% 6 7.0% 9
23 BAL -7.5% 4-5 -6.2% 4.2 21 -0.6% 21 5.1% 7 8.7% 12
24 MIN -8.4% 2-7 -7.5% 4.2 22 1.3% 15 10.9% 3 7.9% 11
25 BUF -8.9% 3-7 -9.1% 4.3 19 5.9% 5 -11.4% 31 14.0% 24
26 CLE -10.1% 4-5 -4.4% 3.7 26 0.4% 17 -4.7% 23 9.4% 14
27 TEN -11.3% 4-5 -2.2% 3.5 27 -4.3% 25 -9.8% 29 7.5% 10
28 NYG -19.9% 3-6 -28.6% 2.7 30 7.6% 4 1.1% 16 15.0% 27
29 HOU -21.1% 2-7 -21.4% 3.1 28 5.2% 7 -16.8% 32 14.6% 26
30 WAS -21.4% 3-6 -22.6% 2.9 29 3.8% 8 -1.2% 19 5.4% 4
31 OAK -35.9% 3-6 -27.7% 1.5 31 -6.2% 29 2.4% 9 11.0% 19
32 JAC -62.3% 1-8 -60.6% 0.2 32 5.4% 6 -9.0% 28 10.2% 17

Comments

97 comments, Last at 18 Feb 2015, 12:41pm

2 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Why does Denver have 9.4 expected wins out of 9 games?

Also, slightly surprised that Dallas avoided a precipitous fall after getting rocked.

7 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

In reply to by LT (not verified)

As has been mentioned, each game to date for them is considered 1.111111.... games because of the bye week, so it is considered 9.4-0.6, on a 10-game basis.

Obligatory question about why the Brownies dropped so much from opponent adjustments or whatever (you'd think the fact that they've played Baltimore twice and Cincy once would mean Baltimore's win benefits them; granted, I wonder what the individual-game DVOA was like from that Sunday matchup given the crazy ending.)

19 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

How precipitous are we talking about? Their DVOA rating dropped something like 6%.

Basically, they went from being the bottom rung of a Cincy/New England/SFO/KC peer group to being one of the stronger members of a Detroit/Philly/Arizona peer group.

It's hard to see because the Scott Tolzien Experience torpedoed the Packers and the Colts are in DVOA free fall, but that's actually a pretty big hit in spite of moving from #12 to #11.

3 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Are the Bears the new Eagles? I cannot fathom how they are still 5th. That has been an average team all year, and is a few breaks from being 3-6.

9 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Eh, you could also say they're couple of breaks away from being 7-2, if you want to be fair (the 2nd loss to Detroit and the loss to Washington were very close).

But I agree with you that DVOA likes the Bears more than my eyes do. It's been discussed before, but they get a lot of credit for their performance after they were trailing by 24 and 16 points vs. Detroit and New Orleans respectively, late in the 4th quarter. "Garbage time" performance is supposed to be predictive of future results, but many (including myself) remain skeptical.

I still think the Bears (when healthy) are a good team, I'm not sure they're 5th best in the league, though.

23 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

I'm wondering if teams who do well in garbage time are just good teams having bad days, so good future results speak to the quality of team more than any of the meaningless numbers they put up that day.

If you're down big late and don't do anything, then there's a good chance you're a garbage team like the Jaguars this year. I never get anywhere on garbage-time studies because it's such a hindsight thing. You never know when that touchdown in a 21-point game in the fourth quarter could actually spark a nail-biting finish. If a team has to recover an onside kick to clinch a one-score win, I don't think we can call any of what went down as garbage time.

75 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

The usual argument is that "garbage time" defense does not necessarily reflect "normal" defense. That said I don't think there was any real garbage time (whatever your definition) in the Detroit game.

Of course the second part of the argument is certainly valid: if you can't move the ball when a team goes into a prevent than you probably are a terrible offensive team.

6 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

*nitpick* Seattle's record is 9-1 not 8-1. Seattle has not (yet) had a bye week.

10 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

I honestly cannot imagine what the 2 teams with worse Special Teams ratings than the Giants look like. The Giants cannot cover kicks or punts, their punter is playing horribly, and the kicker's two misses were extremely costly (especially in KC game). Add in that they got a punt blocked last week and they can't do a single thing well.

15 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

You and me both. Facing a good defense on a 10am start makes fans worry.

Maybe it'll come down to those special teams. Part of the reason why Seattle is ranked #2 in ST? Golden Tate is averaging 13+ yards per punt return. Seattle is allowing 1.5 yards in punt returns per GAME.

12 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Two misses? That's it? Washington's kicker has had 4 misses in only 11 tries, and Houston's has a whopping 9 misses in 23 tries. Also, while NY's kick coverage is bad, at least their kicker gets touchbacks a lot. Washington's kicker has the worst kicking distance, and he's resorting to pooch kickoffs at times.

14 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Oh, the Redskins are worse.

They had a fake punt call last week where the guy who was supposed to catch the pass missed the call and just flew downfield. Pass went futilely in his direction while he never looked back.

Of course, that was called back for a false start. They then made a 40-something yard punt with huge return combined with another penalty, all of which ended up netting the defense 5 or so yards in field position from the original 4th down line of scrimmage.

The talk in DC this week has been to bring in Marv Levy to take over the special teams' coaching. Yes, 88-year old Marv Levy. I honestly thought he was dead.

48 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Texans have Randy Bullock shanking 1 out of 3 kicks and their coverage is spotty at best. For the Redskins to be ranked below them they must put Icy Hot in the players jocks prior to kickoff.

16 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Is there any place where we can see individual game DVOAs or is that somewhere behind a paywall? If so, does purchasing the book at the beginning of the year let you see that?

20 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Just wondering how much playing JAX has impacted the teams that have played them...

For example if KC, Den, etc. had played a more traditional bad team like Vikings that still would have been a likely win, instead of playing JAX would their DVOA be measurably higher?

21 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Playing Jacksonville by itself doesn't impact anyone; DVOA is adjusted for opponents, after all. Only when your play is better/worse than DVOA expects will your own DVOA rating change.

22 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

If I recall correctly, in the past, playoff-bound Bengals teams typically had winning records despite sporting mediocre-to-below-average DVOA. It was no surprise, then, that we always lost in the first round of the post-season.

This year, we sport a good-to-"elite" DVOA despite dropping horrible, terrible losses to awful teams.

I'm not sure which is worse, but I guess I'll go with this year's performance, as it fills me with false hope of a deep playoff run. And hey, at least it's different.

49 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Current projections imply a first round home game for Cincy against the Jets. A win there would send them to Denver, where I imagine they lose. Would you consider that deep? Seems to me that Marvin finally has some stability there for you guys. A postseason win is a step in the right direction. Do you think they can continue to build into the future?

87 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

"Building into the future" and "Mike Brown" are fundamentally incompatible, I think.

I genuinely don't know what to think about Marvin Lewis, to be honest. During his tenure, the Bengals have gone from punchline to punchy underdog to mediocre to consistent contender. Is that because of his coaching? Or despite it? I mean, Cleveland continues to be cursed by God, and the Bengals haven't so much asserted dominance in their division as much as they've managed a reasonable amount of production while Pittsburgh and Baltimore have collapsed.

Certainly, the past two-and-half seasons have been successful in large part due to our strong defense. Zimmer's been the defensive coach since 2008, so while I credit his schemes, I think that a large part of the credit also has to be due to our ability to nab undervalued assets like Geno Atkins and Adam Jones for bargain bin prices, and getting great production out of mid-late round picks like Michael Johnson. What happens when Zimmer ultimately leaves for a head coaching position? What happens if we have an off-year in drafting and free agency?

I'm also concerned about our offense. Dalton was seemingly progressing as a passer through the first half of the season, but has taken some big steps back along with our entire offense. Simply put, we just have too much talent on our offense to underperform as consistently as we do. Does Gruden call bad plays because of Dalton's limitations? Or does Dalton struggle because Gruden call bad plays? I'm not really sure.

At the outset of the season, I felt like we had enough depth to let a guy like Michael Johnson go in free agency and replace him with someone else. I felt like Dalton was good enough for the next few years, with the possibility of us grooming competition/replacement for him with a late-round pick. I felt like Zimmer could go and we'd find another strong candidate to replace him.

But now I'm wondering if losing Zimmer and making a couple bad selections in the draft has us bottom-feeding again for the next 10 years.

64 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

In reply to by JoeyHarringtonsPiano

Unnecessary pedantry alert...

The projected Bengals-Jets playoff game would definitely be a win for Cincy without Geno SMITH, but losing Geno ATKINS is a real problem.

25 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

On the Special Superbowl list - I thought the John Fox Reunion (Den-Car) was supposed to be on there? Or did I misunderstand?

I wonder what is the earliest a team has locked up at least a Wildcard? Due to the several divisions being quite level/mediocre, it seems like someone could be putting a little x by their name really soon...

70 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Agreed. I'd also like to make a request for any Super Bowl match-up that involves Detroit.

I know they are probably not the strongest playoff contender out there, but it would be nice to see some odds on a matchup since they have never really sniffed a Super Bowl (maybe 1991 if you're being generous). They could call it "48 Year-Old Virgin: The Legend of Gary Danielson" and put their chances off playing Cleveland.

85 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

The Curse of Layne Game.

Cleveland is the only AFC team Detroit has ever played for a title (1952, 1953, 1954, 1957). The Giants (1935) are the other.

27 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

The Giants is clearly ranked too low because ITS A TEAM OF DES-TEE-NEE! ASTORLOGY is way better than this. THE NFC E(YIPS)T RULZ!!

30 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

I'm hoping KC beats DEN and is still FO #8. Maybe there is a problem with a per play metric. Per drive seems better. Like in baseball. The per at bats, not per pitch metrics are what tell the tale.

58 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Well, look at point ratio (PF/PA) instead of net points (PF-PA). If you have a great defense and you are up by 10, that's a lot. Over 9 games, KC has allowed 1.9 points per game in the 4th quarter.

Part of the reason KC points allowed stat is league-leading is that the opponents have taken 11 snaps at the KC 1 and on those plays, KC has outscored them 7-0.

68 Re: Week 10 DVOA Ratings

Kansas City's PF include an entirely unsustainable number of defensive touchdowns. When those disappear against better opponents, the problems with the offense will be more evident, as we saw last year with Chicago.

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Why is that "unsustainable"? It's not like it has never been done before. Seems to me it's like hitting home runs. If a guy can do it, it's not guaranteed he will hit one every time, but you come to expect a big swing and aren't shocked when it happens. Every team practices getting turnovers and emphasizes not turning it over. Is it really that "unsustainable?" You guys like all these numbers, what are the numbers on points off of turnovers? That would be interesting to see trends and streaks. Don't you think?