Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

06 May 2006

Rogers Still Appealing to Lions

I don't know where to start with this column by Rob Parker in the Detroit News. First, I want more detail on these trade offers the Lions got for Charles Rogers. What are teams willing to give up for him? Given his production during his three years in the league, I find it extraordinarily unlikely that any team was offering anything of substance for him. Secondly, Parker writes that the Lions "never had a legal leg on which to stand" when trying to get some of Rogers' signing bonus back after he was suspended for drug use. If that's the case, why did Parker's own paper report a few months ago that the situation does not appear close to being resolved? How could it be hard to resolve a situation in which one party has no legal leg on which to stand? Third, Parker writes, "The other ill-fated push to get Rogers to respond on the field was the staff's decision to give Scottie Vines more playing time. If Vines was so great, as the Lions proclaimed, why isn't he on the roster?" Um, Vines is on the roster. And I don't think the Lions have ever claimed Vines is "great." They've claimed he's better than Rogers. Which anyone who knows anything about football and has watched the two of them play these past couple of years would have to agree with.

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 06 May 2006

18 comments, Last at 08 May 2006, 1:30pm by Michael David Smith

Comments

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by jimmo (not verified) :: Sat, 05/06/2006 - 1:18pm

and nothing on the blurb at the bottom about Ernie Sims being compared to Aaron Gibson? a missed opportunity for a Millen rip? I'm shocked, shocked...

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by BC Pat (not verified) :: Sat, 05/06/2006 - 1:54pm

Like I told my girlfriend, the Ford Family runs their team the way they run the rest of their business ventures: into the ground.

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by Why Fye (not verified) :: Sat, 05/06/2006 - 5:27pm

Like I said while having passionate sex with my harem of supermodels, I think the jury is still out on Charles Rogers. It isn't his fault he got hurt, and in the minimal playing time he's had he's looked decent, especially considering the incompetence of every coach and QB he's had to work with. If he can put together a full season where the coaches and QBs don't change every ten minutes I think he'll show that he's a pretty good player. He may never become the elite WR that everyone hoped he be, but to totally disparage him when he hasn't had a chance to play is pretty nuts.

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by Theo (not verified) :: Sat, 05/06/2006 - 6:55pm

So what are the over/unders on Kellen Winslow getting suspended this year?
Are he and Rogers friends?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 05/06/2006 - 9:09pm

So MDS, how do you really feel? You gotta learn to stop holding back, man...

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by rk (not verified) :: Sun, 05/07/2006 - 2:06am

Don't be so hard on Rogers. If you combine his stats from last year into one game, that would be a pretty awesome game.

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by The Ninjalectual (not verified) :: Sun, 05/07/2006 - 2:20am

Rogers can play. There's no doubt about it.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm sold. /sarcasm

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by Kibbles (not verified) :: Sun, 05/07/2006 - 3:48am

I hear from Detroit fans that you should never pay attention to Rob Parker, since he has a history of knowing nothing about football and manufacturing stories.

Case in point, does anyone remember that time that he tried to convince the world that Charles Rodgers was any good?

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by Kibbles (not verified) :: Sun, 05/07/2006 - 3:49am

To be perfectly honest, though... when I first read the story title, I figured that Detroit had won the case and recouped Rodgers' signing bonus, and he was trying to get some of it back.

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by Ilanin (not verified) :: Sun, 05/07/2006 - 5:59pm

9 - When I read it, it was just after I'd been reading that Favre had (predictably) suggested he might not retire at the end of this season after all, and I thought Detroit were trying to trade for an irritated Packers backup QB. This is not, of course, how Aaron Rodgers spells his surname, but I was tired...

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by emcee fleshy (atl) (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 12:09am

Let's not forget that in his debut against the Cardinals, he had two touchdowns and looked worthy of his draft status.

September 7, 2003.

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by andy (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 12:41am

did anyone hear about the detroit lions complaining to the nflpa about marinelli making them run too-rough/physical drills? what an incompetent organization the lions are to draft horribly (the williams' and rogers) and then let their players get complacent and soft.

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by jimmo (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 1:08am

yeah, the incompetent NY Giants complained about Coughlin last year and lost two OTAs and the incompetent Joe Gibbs lost three last year...

a non-story. move on, nothing to see here...

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by TheWedge (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 2:15am

RE: 13
So two teams that got new head coaches and complained about offseason workouts subsequently had above-expectation seasons and made the playoffs? Maybe Lion's fans should be hopeful.

(nah)

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by Brian Hammond (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 10:59am

Kibble has it right - Rob Parker is the most ill-informed columnist I've ever read, not to mention the most arrogant. Nothing he writes should be considered to have any basis in reality. I'd strongly recommend just ignoring the whole thing.

If you don't believe me, just consider that shortly after the Tigers' historically bad 2003 season, he offered a column with his prescription for fixing the team - signing Pokey Reese and Sidney Ponson. Uh, thanks, Rob. We'll take that under advisement.

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by Green Bay for Life (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 12:47pm

well,

the fords may run the football team into the groun but the captain of that bus that is about to crash in Matt Millen.

I would love to see the NFLPA try and come in there and tell Marinelli and Martz that they are running to hard of a mini camp. I have a feeling that the owners would tell the NFLPA just to go stick it. I hope Marinelli and Martz do put dome backbone back into a team that has had an identity crisis on its hand since the day Barry Sanders walked of the football field.

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by Gregg (not verified) :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 1:13pm

I love that Millen came out the next day and completely called Parker's column out, probably just to piss on Rogers' agent.

From Mlive.com ...
Contrary to a published report that said the Lions had several calls on draft day concerning a possible trade for Rogers, team president Matt Millen said: "I didn't get one single phone call on Charles Rogers."

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by Michael David Smith :: Mon, 05/08/2006 - 1:30pm

OK, so we know there's at least one factual error in the piece, the statement that Vines isn't on the Lions' roster. Millen says there's another, the statement that the Lions fielded phone calls for Rogers. Not the strongest piece of reporting I've seen lately.