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02 May 2006

Vick Will Get Look from Dolphins

Marcus Vick didn't get drafted and has yet to sign a free agent contract, but he will workout at the Dolphins rookie mini-camp this weekend. According to the story, "the invitation comes with no strings attached and no promises of employment." If Vick isn't signed he may end up in the CFL.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 02 May 2006

44 comments, Last at 16 May 2006, 1:36pm by STK

Comments

1
by David (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 2:58pm

He might have a chance at backing up Joey Harrington?

That sounds about right.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 2:59pm

Don't do it, Nick. Let's talk about it, ok? You want to put the lighter down Nick? Please?

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by Soulless Merchant of Fear (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 2:59pm

In an interview linked to this article, Vick insists that he walks a straight path, and that his many troubles are the product of bad luck. That the repercussions of his acts totally blindsided him.

His world must be just chock-full of mysterious behaviors and "bad luck."

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:00pm

CFL or stocking shelves at walmart

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by dman (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:10pm

So he's not accepting his culpability and he's chalking it all up to bad luck. Yeah, sounds like his character issues are all taken care of to me!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:13pm

"CFL or stocking shelves at walmart"

He doesn't have to work a real job ever again in his life, which is what I think was a major contribution to his problems.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:31pm

I blew this call, I thought he'd go in the 6th or 7th and I'm shocked the Raiders didn't take him with the last pick.

Maybe he can try to follow Adrian McPherson, go to the CFL or Arena League for a couple of years and then return.

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by Shelley (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:50pm

Re: 4

Nah, not while he can mooch off of big brother. Assuming he doesn't end up in prison making license plates, of course.

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by C (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 3:52pm

This kid is getting tremendous amounts of bad press, and he deserves it. But losing millions by not being drafted may, MAY have taught him a lesson.

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by Bjorn (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 4:07pm

What's so freaking bad about the CFL?

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by Barnas (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 4:58pm

The CFL has a lower "talent" level than the NFL.

However, the issue here isn't talent, it's character.

So I don't see why he's more likely to end up on a CFL roster than an NFL one.

And I like the move for the Dolphins. See if not being drafted has changed him some, shaken him up. See if he can help the team. If not, he's not on a contract, so you don't even have to cut him. Just say 'Goodbye'.

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by Noble (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 5:04pm

The difference between the CFL and the NFL is stigma... and pay. Basically it's the difference between working at Kmart and working at the Gap.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 5:37pm

So I don’t see why he’s more likely to end up on a CFL roster than an NFL one.

Because the CFL has a significantly lower talent level. Passing on Vick in the NFL means passing on a guy with talent comparable to most of your players but horrible character. Passing on Vick in the CFL would be like passing on a guy with Shaq-like physical attributes in the NBA. Vick in the CFL would give a team a whole lot more than Vick in the NFL.

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by Theo (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 5:43pm

The CFL is less picky about their players.
Hence all the Canadians.

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by emcee fleshy (atl) (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 5:48pm

The Texans should spring for his counseling. After all, if Marcus can get it together (little help here, Pfizer?), Saint Reggie won't be the first thing people remember about the 2006 draft.

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by Charles (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:01pm

10: Because he was supposed to be BETTER than his big brother. Because he is faster. Because he looked perfectly capable as a passer - a lot better than Michael did at VTech. His brother went #1 overall.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:12pm

In the right environment, away from potential sources of trouble, Marcus might turn his life around and ultimately become successful. Somewhere away from the limelight...

Miami?

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by Andy (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 6:48pm

#17: Oh please. Anybody whose looking for trouble will find it, no matter where they live.

Also, the Dolphins practice facility is a 45 minute drive from South Beach.

As a Dolphin fan, I don't like this move, but not terribly so because he's not even being offered a contract. They have just invited him to camp. I don't think he'll make the squad.

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by STD (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 7:16pm

The Vick boys just keep going away and then coming back again at the worst possible times. Is there a cure?

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by JRM (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 7:33pm

However, the issue here isn’t talent, it’s character.

At no point did I watch Marcus Vick and think he had a future in the NFL. His immaturity and other issues may have pushed him from the 5th round to a UFA, but that's it.

Funny how Vick getting kicked off Va. Tech made people think he's better on the field than he actualy is.

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by Will (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 7:40pm

Is this a plotline for CSI: Miami?

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by Ruben (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 7:43pm

10: Because he was supposed to be BETTER than his big brother. Because he is faster. Because he looked perfectly capable as a passer - a lot better than Michael did at VTech. His brother went #1 overall.

Um...which is why he was redshirted, then benched in favor of Bryan Randall (even before the mary jane suspension), and at one point was going to be made into a WR?

The little action I saw of New Mexico was disappointing, at best...kind of a poor man's Chris Leak, which is hardly a compliment.

Then again, being a "better passer than Michael Vick" makes you about on-par with Kyle Orton, so maybe you're on to something...

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by craig (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 8:05pm

Canada has Canadians because there's a quota system on how many 'imports' you can play (this is also common in some other sports, including European hockey leagues).

Whether a team would risk the potential bad PR if Vick goes bad? The Gliebermans might've if the league hadn't folded the Renegades for the year (they brought in Manley in their last sting in the league). For other teams it probably depends on the asking price.

While the general talent level in the CFL is lower (the payscale ensures that), it is important to remember that the game is different - wider field, 3 downs instead of four, more players on the field, a larger ball. So it isn't an automatic transition at all positions.

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by seamus (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 8:47pm

Maybe Saban can arrange a "scared straight" visit with Cecil Collins.

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by Bjorn (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 9:02pm

The CFL doesn't have a quota, exactly. It is more like an exchange rate. A Canadian takes up 1 roster spot, while an import takes up 2 roster spots. There are lots of import QB's, like Kerry Joseph, Tee Martin, Doug Flutie (back in the day) and such. All the same, I don't see Little Vick playing in the CFL. There's only one team that doesn't have a good QB, and that the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, who happen to be my team. And they seem to believe that Kevin Glenn can get the job done. If Marcus Vick came up to Canada, he would be second string on every single team. That's not an overstatement.

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by SOW (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 9:22pm

16: faster than his brother? At 4.5+? I don't think so.

SOW

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by MarkB (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 10:00pm

What? Herm Edwards isn't "giving a person a second chance"? Icicles are forming in Hell.

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by michael A. (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 10:16pm

the niners should give him a work out to back up smith and ken dorsey. that would be a great fit.

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by krugerindustrialsmoothing (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 11:03pm

25 I don't mean to start something (there are more important things for we Bomber fans to bicker about i.e. Glenn) however, the CFL does have a quota exactly. According to the CFLPA, a max of 18 of the 40 player roster can be non-canucks. I believe that the only way a CFL team takes a flyer on Vick is if they believe he can sell some tickets, curiosity factor kind of.

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by krugerindustrialsmoothing (not verified) :: Tue, 05/02/2006 - 11:09pm

oh, and re: 14, the reason for the quota is to maintain the "Canadianness" (to blatantly make up a word) of the game.

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by Sergio (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 12:44am

Re:24

Oh, the Diesel. It's his fault. Him and that horrible, delicate Yatil Green.

Sincerely,
JJ.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 4:35am

The problem with Vick is not what you have to pay him, but the fact that he is going to be a bad influence on the other players in the locker room. If he's not starting he's going to be hitting the party scene with his brother's money and bringing along other players. His ego will mean that he has to be the 'man', one way or the other.

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by Kibbles (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:50am

Vick in Miami? Sounds like par for the course for the Saban administration. Thump your chest and prattle on about how important character concerns are, and then let in the biggest character risks in the entire league based entirely on ridiculous talent.

Say, Saban, how'd that Ricky Williams thing work out for you? Is he going to have a good year this year?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 9:43am

I think the Titans should take him. He could be Pacman Jones' roommate. Their series of adventures could be the inspiration for a series of possee buddy movies with will smith and martin lawrence. Or Somcething like that. It was too soon to start drinkinh, says I. Much too soon.

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 11:24am

33

In fairness, comparing Ricky Williams problems and Marcus Vick's problems isn't exactly fair. Ricky's only character issue has been that he doesn't care a lot about football.

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by mpain (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 11:48am

Marcus is just a teenager who made wrong decisions, picture you as a 18 year old with a famous brother that has millions of dollars. People are gonna mess with you, and the media is going to blow every situation up. He learned his lesson he wasn't drafted, now he has to work for a contract. Nobodys perfect.

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 1:28pm

RE 36:
How does any of that relate to him purposely stomping on the leg of an opposing player? Or never apologizing about it?

How about drawing a gun and pointing it at people in a McDonalds?

Where were the people pressuring him in to these things? Why shouldn't the media blow up any story where someone draws a gun with the intent to threaten or injure another person?

The real issue isn't the stupid stuff he's done, it's the way he's never owned up to his mistakes.

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by Bjorn (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 5:37pm

29, 30

D'oh. I've never heard of the actual quota before, probably because no team could field an offence of 12 and a defence of 12 (not to mention at least 1 kicker) with 18 imports on the 40 man roster. If each import counts as 2, that's 36 of 40 roster spots. That gives the team 22 players on their active roster. That sounds like something only Saskatchewan would try.

I might have goofed again though. It's been known to happen.

What is your opinion of KG, anyhow?

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by justanothersteve (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 7:41pm

#35 - You forgot Ricky's use of illegal recreational substances.

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by crusan (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 8:28pm

Saban got 700+ yards out of Williams & it cost them next to nothing. No one really counted on him anyway, so last season Ricky was just basically free, quality depth at RB. Reasonably shrewd move IMO.

So they see if Vick has anything to offer, so what? If he shows nothing, tell him to take a hike. If he shows flashes, sign him to some crap deal & keep him on the devel. roster. It's not like Miami is hip-deep in QB's or something. Could be a reasonably shrewd move in time & it costs them nothing.

It's really no more risky than. for example, drafting a QB in rd. 1 who played for a dismal college team and in reality is probably no more than a more physically gifted version of Mike McMahon, is it?

If character was really as big an issue as it's made out to be, NFL rosters would be way smaller & we all know it. These are not choirboys here (BYU alums excepted of course).

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by Kibbles (not verified) :: Wed, 05/03/2006 - 11:17pm

Re #40: I would have no problem with Saban adding Vick to his roster, or his practice squad. I mean, as you said, what's the downside?

Anyway, I *WOULD* have no problem... if Saban wasn't going out of his way to prattle on and on about how character is his #1 criteria, blah blah blah. Come on, Nick... you don't care about character any more than any other coach in the league. And I'm fine with that- you gotta do what you gotta do to get results... just own up to it.

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by lobolafcadio (not verified) :: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 9:57pm

If little Vick makes the 'fins roster, I just can't wait for the rookie party he'll organize under the wing of his new tutor, teacher and role model : Daunte Culpepper !!! They won't have to import anything this time, all is at hands (except cuban cigars) and they'll be abble to cruise in international waters, just in case !!!
We can even imagine Ricky will be there to show them some friends of him in the area...

(I DO NOT think Culpepper is someone able to take a guy as Vick Jr under his wing, and if he doesn't, Vick won't wait for 4 games to say he is the best QB and he deserves a chance to start, etc)

Bad idea !!

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by Dan L (not verified) :: Thu, 05/04/2006 - 11:00pm

I'm not a New Mexico apologist, but you guys are being way too hard on him. You're undervaluing his ability to play football and making a mountain out of a...well, a smaller mountain regarding his character issues.

He doesn't have the same field vision as his brother in breaking the pocket and running with the ball. But he really does have a better arm, and throws some very nice deep balls. He absolutely had the talent to be picked by the 5th or 6th round.

His character issues are overblown. Coming to Virginia Tech he was immediately cast as the Quarterback of the Future and the Great Man's brother. So he made some stupid mistakes. The ONLY time I've heard of him doing something deliberately malicious was when he stomped on Dumervil's leg. And while it was a scum-sucking thing to do, it was in the heat of the moment, in a bowl game. Other than that he's smoked some weed and slept with some teenage girls (while he was still a teenager.) I'd wager that there's more than one person reading this who did things at 18 that they would be mortified to have plastered over ESPN.com's front page. I know I did.

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by STK (not verified) :: Tue, 05/16/2006 - 1:36pm

HEY NICK....I HERE MAURICE CLARETT IS LOOKING FOR A JOB!
MARCUS AND MAURICE CAN BE ROOMMATES!