Updated Leaders in Hurries
Since we're not putting up the new DVOA ratings and commentary until tomorrow morning, I feel like I owe you all something new. So here, enjoy this updated list of leaders in quarterback hurries according to the FO Game Charting Project. We've compiled through Week 14, and most teams have roughly 12 games charted. Some have fewer or more, so the list is ordered according to hurries per charted game.
This only includes plays that count officially, so hurries that lead to offensive holding are not included on this list.
Chris Long was lapping the field the last time we measured hurries, but he had a midseason slump with only one hurry in Weeks 11-13. That allowed the rest of the league to catch up, hso now he's only in first place by a normal amount.
Nice job by a couple rookies getting on the bottom of our list.
11 comments, Last at 29 Dec 2010, 11:31pm
#1 by theshadowj // Dec 28, 2010 - 6:19pm
Crazy how one of the worst pass defenses of the DVOA era has two players in the top 10 in hurries.
#3 by Mr Shush // Dec 28, 2010 - 7:14pm
As if confirmation were needed, the problem is the secondary, not the pass rush. Mark Anderson's also been a very useful contributor since he signed. Going forwards, Williams-Smith-Barwin-Anderson might be the strongest position group on the team, which is one reason not to hire Cowher or anyone else who'd want to implement a 3-4. Perry Fewell, please.
#5 by Jerry // Dec 29, 2010 - 1:06am
FWIW, when the Steelers hired Tomlin, I remember a lot of loose talk about how he was a Tampa-2 coach and he was gonna change the defensive scheme. A good coach will come in, evaluate what he has, and proceed from there. The next Texans coach (assuming they fire Kubiak) may decide that what's there isn't worth saving, or that he can fit some of those players into a scheme he prefers, or maybe that plugging a couple of new guys into something like the current defense will improve it enough. If he's a good coach, chances are he'll make a good decision.
#8 by zlionsfan // Dec 29, 2010 - 1:50pm
As a Lions fan, that doesn't surprise me at all ... Detroit is in a similar position, but with a better DL (and perhaps a better secondary, although I'm not sure they're that different). If the pressure doesn't get there, there's going to be a first down. Even the best DL in the game wouldn't make enough of a difference.
It does make you wonder how bad the defenses would be if the DLs weren't as good as they are.
Oh wait, we don't have to wonder. It would be like Detroit's 2009 pass defense. Never mind.
#10 by jbrown (not verified) // Dec 29, 2010 - 7:46pm
Doesn't it drive you crazy to see this and listen to how hated Mario still is here in Houston? It's like no one in the city has followed the careers of Mario, Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Matt Leinart since that draft...
#11 by Mr Shush // Dec 29, 2010 - 11:31pm
Well, as I live in London/Oxford (England, not Ohio, Oxford for most of my life and right now but London in general these days) my exposure to sentiment on the subject from Houstonians is largely confined to that expressed in the comments after Zierlein and Stradley's blog posts. But yes, it does appear to me that a significant proportion of Texans fans are bat-shit insane when it comes to this subject.
Players from the 2006 draft who have clearly been more valuable to date than Mario Williams:
Players from the 2006 draft who could reasonably be argued to have been more valuable to date than Mario Williams:
Personally, the only one of those who I would rather have taken than Williams is Cutler. The only one I wanted more at the time was Ferguson.
Of the last 20 first overall picks, Peyton and Pace will pretty clearly end up with more career value than Williams, and Jake Long and Sam Bradford may well do. I'd probably take all four of those guys over him. None of the other 15, though. He was a great pick and is an excellent player at the second or third most important position. Bush is a valuable but limited rotation player. Young and Leinart are full-on busts. Texans fans who moan about Williams are nuts.
#2 by Soyaki (not verified) // Dec 28, 2010 - 6:27pm
First thing I wondered:
S2pOH (Sacks*2 plus Observed Hurries) (Pro Football Reference, min 5.5 sacks, note high likelihood of cut and paste errors)
Cameron Wake MIA 57.5
DeMarcus Ware DAL 53
Chris Long STL 51
Mario Williams HOU 49
Charles Johnson CAR 49
Terrell Suggs BAL 47
Tamba Hali KAN 47
John Abraham ATL 46.5
Chris Clemons SEA 44
James Harrison PIT 43
Jason Babin TEN 43
Jared Allen MIN 41
Trent Cole PHI 40.5
Clay Matthews GNB 40.5
LaMarr Woodley PIT 40
Dwight Freeney IND 40
Robert Mathis IND 39.5
Julius Peppers CHI 36.5
Brian Orakpo WAS 35
Ray Edwards MIN 34.5
Cliff Avril DET 33
Justin Smith SFO 28
#9 by JonFrum // Dec 29, 2010 - 6:43pm
Thanks for doing the leg work. As I expected, Banta-Cain disappears. His high hurry number may be a case of being unable to finish.
#4 by Easylazy // Dec 28, 2010 - 11:37pm
No Jets on the list, exactly why i dont think they cant win the superbowl
#6 by BigCheese // Dec 29, 2010 - 3:01am
Funny, that is one of the many, many reasons I do think they can't win the superbowl.
#7 by Paul R // Dec 29, 2010 - 1:33pm
I used to not think that the Jets can't not lose the Super Bowl. Now, I think otherwise, I think.