Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

2017 Free Agency Discussion

This is our open thread to discuss all the free agent movement, trades, cuts, and other news for the first few days of free agency, starting with the "legal tampering period" that begins at noon Eastern on March 7.

Now that we've reached the start of the new league year, we're trying to keep the opening text of this thread updated with the deals as they are officially announced.

TUESDAY MARCH 7

Carolina re-signs DE Charles Johnson (2 years, $9.5 million).
Los Angeles Football Clippers cut CB Brandon Flowers, RT D.J. Fluker, and WR Stevie Johnson.
San Francisco cuts WR Torrey Smith.

WEDNESDAY MARCH 8

Atlanta re-signs QB Matt Schaub (2 years, $9 million).
Buffalo re-signs QB Tyrod Taylor to restructured contract (terms not yet announced).
Indianapolis re-signs TE Jack Doyle (3 years, $19 million).
Indianapolis trades TE Dwayne Allen to New England along with 2017 sixth-round pick for 2017 fourth-round pick.
Los Angeles Chargers re-sign SS Jahleel Addae (4 years, $22 million).
Miami re-signs DE Andre Branch (3 years, $27 million).
New York Giants sign WR Brandon Marshall (2 years, $12 million).
Washington re-signs TE Vernon Davis (3 years, $15 million).

Rumored deals for Thursday:
FB Mike Tolbert to Buffalo
RT Ricky Wagner to Detroit
SS Barry Church to Jacksonville
QB Brian Hoyer to San Francisco
WR Pierre Garcon to San Francisco
WR Marquise Goodwin to San Francisco
FB Kyle Juszczyk to San Francisco (4 years, $21 million)

MIDNIGHT THURSDAY UPDATE

Baltimore cuts DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil
Miami re-signs WR Kenny Stills (4 years, $32 million, $20 million guaranteed).

Rumored deals for this afternoon:
DE Calais Campbell to Jacksonville

THURSDAY 12pm EST UPDATE

Rumored deals for this afternoon:
QB Mike Glennon to Chicago (3 years, $45 million, $18.5 million guaranteed but only $2.5 million guaranteed after 2017).
SS Quintin Demps to Chicago
WR Kenny Britt to Cleveland
G Ronald Leary to Denver
LT Andrew Whitworth to Los Angeles Rams
WR Robert Woods to Los Angeles Rams
WR Ted Ginn to New Orleans
WR Torrey Smith to Philadelphia

THURSDAY 3pm EST UPDATE
Chicago cuts QB Jay Cutler
Detroit cuts LB DeAndre Levy
Green Bay re-signs OLB Nick Perry (5 years, $60 million).
Jacksonville cuts DT Sen'Derrick Marks

Rumored deals for this afternoon:
G Kevin Zeitler to Cleveland (5 years, $60 million, $31.5 million guaranteed).
TE Anthony Fasano to Miami
G Larry Warford to New Orleans
SS Johnathan Cyprien to Tennessee

THURSDAY 4pm EST UPDATE
Houston trades QB Brock Osweiler, their sixth-round pick and a 2018 second-round pick to Cleveland, according to Adam Schefter. In exchange, they receive Cleveland's fourth-round pick. (Cleveland is rumored to be shopping Osweiler now, or may cut him.)

Arizona signs ILB Karlos Dansby.
Atlanta signs DE Jack Crawford.
Baltimore signs RB Danny Woodhead.
Baltimore signs SS Tony Jefferson.
Buffalo signs FB Patrick DiMarco.
Buffalo signs DB Micah Hyde (5 years, $30 million, $14 million guranteed).
Buffalo signs K Steven Hauschka.
Cincinnati re-signs CB Dre Kirkpatrick (5 years, $52.5 million).
Indianapolis signs OLB Barkevious Mingo (1 year, $2.5 million).
Indianapolis signs P Jeff Locke.
Jacksonville signs CB A.J. Bouye (5 years, $67.5 million, $26 million guaranteed).
Los Angeles Chargers sign OT Russell Okung (4 years, $53 million, $25 million guaranteed).
Miami re-signs SS Reshad Jones (5 years, $60 million).
Miami cuts FS Isa Abdul-Quddus (failed physical).
Minnesota signs OT Riley Reiff.
New England signs CB Stephon Gilmore (5 years, $65 million, $40 million guaranteed).
New England re-signs FS Duron Harmon (4 years, $20 million).
New Orleans re-signs DT Nick Fairley.
New York Giants sign TE/FB Rhett Ellison (4 years, $18 million, $8 million guaranteed).
Philadelphia signs WR Alshon Jeffery (1 year, $14 million).
Philadelphia signs G Chance Warmack (1 year, details TBA).
Seattle signs T/G Luke Joeckel (1 year, details TBA).
Tampa Bay signs WR DeSean Jackson (3 years, $35 million, $20 million guaranteed).
Tampa Bay signs DT Chris Baker (3 years, $18 million).
Tampa Bay re-signs SS Chris Conte.
Tampa Bay re-signs RB Jacquizz Rodgers.
Washington signs SS D.J. Swearinger (3 years, $13.5 million).
Washington signs DT Stacy McGee (5 years, $25 million).

THURSDAY 10pm EST UPDATE
Baltimore re-signs DT Brandon Wiliams (5 years, $54 million, $27.5 million guaranteed).
Chicago signs TE Dion Sims (3 years, $18 million, $10 million guaranteed).
Chicago signs WR Markus Wheaton.
San Francisco signs K Robbie Gould.
Tennessee signs CB Logan Ryan (3 years, $30 million).

FRIDAY 12pm EST UPDATE
Baltimore cuts FS Lardarius Webb.
Chicago signs CB Prince Amukamara.
Detroit signs CB D.J. Hayden.
Los Angeles Rams trade DE William Hayes and 2017 seventh-round pick to Miami for 2017 sixth-round pick.
Los Angeles Rams cut DE Eugene Sims and TE Lance Kendricks.
San Francisco signs QB Matt Barkley.

FRIDAY 4pm EST UPDATE
Buffalo cuts FS Corey Graham.
Carolina trades DE Kony Ealy and 2017 third-round pick to New England for 2017 second-round pick.
Carolina signs FS Mike Adams.
Denver signs OT Menelik Watson (3 years, $18.3 million).
Indianapolis signs OLB Jabaal Sheard (3 years, $25.5 million, $12.8 million guaranteed).
Miami signs MLB Lawrence Timmons (2 years, $12 million).
Minnesota signs RT Mike Remmers (5 years, $30 million).
Washington signs WR Terrelle Pryor (1 year, $8 million).

FRIDAY 8pm EST UPDATE
New England trades 2017 first-round pick (32 overall) and 2017 third-round pick to New Orleans for WR Brandin Cooks and 2017 fourth-round pick.
Green Bay signs TE Martellus Bennett.
Carolina signs DE Julius Peppers.
Cleveland cuts QB Robert Griffin.
Miami TE Jordan Cameron retires.

Comments

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by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:06pm

Notice jsut came in from march 9-

Moron tema signs M. Glennon, 4 years, 58 million

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by jtr :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:52pm

"Mike Glennon" is handwritten into a whited-out space in the contract that suspiciously seems to match the length of the name "Brock Osweiler"

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:55pm

I have spent far too much time the last few days arguing with people that Mike Glennon has a decent chance at marginal adequacy in the right situation assuming things go OK, and, damn, I just used up my entirely monthly allotment of caveats and here it is only the seventh of the month.

Mike Glennon in a place like Arizona or Denver where there's some talent around and he doesn't have to carry the proverbial load is I think a place where he could actually help a team win. Chicago, where there is really not much at all, he's going to be like Brock Osweiler but with about 75% more muppet and/or giraffe, depending on which joke you'd prefer to make at the moment.

Glennon played OK on some terrible teams and has a tendency to check it down too frequently, but has his moments. I think he's more likely to fall into the Brian Hoyer/Ryan Fitzpatrick career backup mode than anything else, but I don't think he's actually going to explode on the field.

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by Afrocomb :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 2:00pm

Very afraid it's going to be the Bears.

Don't understand the Bears at all. Throwing money at Glennon or worse still picks & money at Garoppolo won't fix the QB problem, and the answer doesn't look likely to be found in the 2017 draft.

They should stick with Cutler (or even Barkley) for the year and they either is a disaster and they get a good pick in the better QB 2018 draft, or the team does better and everything okay. The likelihood of fixing a QB problem with another teams throwaways is slim for a competent QB team, a team with bad QB history.

If the obvious fix is available in 2017 they need not to panic, but keep calm and continue to rebuild the rest of the team with the actual quality players available, not reach or overpay for players hat will hamstring them for the future.

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by T-Vector :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 7:52pm

how about Hoyer for the Bears? He played well until he got hurt. He will be cheaper than Glennon and better than Cutler or Barkley. He is not the answer, but as a bridge he has more value than a McKown.

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by Steve in WI :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 1:02pm

In a perfect world, I want them to go into 2017 with Barkley, Shaw, and a late-round rookie on the roster. There would be like a 0.1% chance that Shaw or the rookie might be a franchise QB, and a very good chance that the Bears would end up with a top 10 pick in what you point out should be a better QB draft next year. The problem is that Fox and possibly Pace would be fired if the Bears have another 3 or 4 win season, so there's no chance that happens.

I actually don't think Glennon is a horrible option, if they sign him to a contract that doesn't preclude them from moving on after a year or two if he's bad. Raiderjoe's example of 4 years/$58M isn't crazy to me if no more than, say, $25M of that is guaranteed. One, it's only money and the Bears have a ton of cap space, and two, there's not really a middle-class of QBs in the NFL. You're either paying a guy relatively nothing because he's a rookie or a backup, or paying him $15M+.

I have been a huge Cutler defender but I think it's just time for the Bears to move on. Plus his health is an unknown - who knows if he's have the same arm after his shoulder injury, and if his arm is 85% of what it was then Cutler is a lot less valuable since his strength is his physical talent, certainly not his decision-making. Even if Glennon costs almost as much, there is the argument that he still has some upside whereas Cutler at his age is never going to improve.

Hoyer would certainly be cheaper than Glennon, but he doesn't have any upside either. He's either a really competent backup or a bridge for 1 year if you draft a guy assuming he's going to start in 2018, if not earlier. I don't think you can draft a mid-to-late round QB and project him as a future starter with that degree of confidence; if we were talking about taking one of the top QBs at #3 and signing Hoyer as a bridge/backup that would be one thing, but again, the top QBs aren't that good and I don't like that plan either.

I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't want the Bears to tie themselves to a QB for multiple years because I'm pessimistic about their chances of finding a franchise QB in the draft or free agency this year. If they sign Glennon and he sucks, but the contract is structured so that they can either get out of it or bench him after 2017, it's not a big deal.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:15pm

Glennon is apparently off to Chicago, with a reported 3 year, $34.5 million contract. As QB contracts go, that's really pretty reasonable, and it basically screams "we're drafting a QB this year and want to keep the seat warm while he learns".

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by Steve in WI :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:24pm

NFL.com is reporting $14.5 average per year, so $43.5 million. Which, depending on how much is guaranteed, seems reasonable. $14.5M for a starter is nothing nowadays.

I think it would be totally inexplicable for the Bears *not* to draft a QB, somewhere, after not drafting one in either of the last two drafts. The question now is where it will be. I would think (and hope) that committing that much money to Glennon means they won't be using the #3 pick on a QB.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:31pm

If they have one that grades out that high, they should draft the guy. It certainly appears, however, that nobody really grades out that high, outside of the context of utter qb desperation. Although I still say that if Watson actualy falls to the 2nd half of the 1st round, or even lower, somebody is going to get a steal. I know he his tape reveals faults. I also know that in the two biggest games of his life, against the closest thing you'll see to an NFL defense, in terms of talent and coaching, that you'll ever see at the college level, Watson played great, great, great. If you are going to reach for a qb, that's the guy to reach on.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:25pm

If it is only 34.5 million, that's pretty cheap. 10 -12 million a year for veteran who has a good chace to start 16 games at qb is really the bottom floor. Really drives home the point that you need to draft a qb every year, in the hopes that every 4 or 5 years you get one who is at least replacement level.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:56pm

It's 43.5, not 34.5, because typing is hard. $14.5 million is still a decent contract, and, honestly, if you're the Bears, is there a better alternative? I mean, I guess you can roll with Matt Barkley, but, other than that, the cupboard's pretty bare.

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by Steve in WI :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:19pm

Well, they do still have Jay Cutler under contract for a cap hit of $16M next year. (If I'm reading Spotrac right, if Glennon gets $14.5M they'll actually be paying half a million more for a starter next year than if they kept Cutler, because his dead money when they cut him is $2M).

IMHO, Glennon is only a clear upgrade on Cutler if you are more concerned with upside than performance in 2017 (which is something I agree with as a fan, but I have to think that Pace/Fox are in the hot seat to win more games this year), or if you know something about Cutler's shoulder that says he's not going to be as good (I use the term relatively) as he previously was.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:06pm

Not anymore they don't.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:31pm

The combination of league wide lack of talent at offensive line, a thin draft class at o-line, and an increase in the salary cap, is going to make a few guys a ton of money by the end of the week. If you are an offensive lineman who is about to become a UFA, and you don't get a really good offer, well, you must really, really, suck.

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by mehllageman56 :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:35pm

Which contender should sign Mangold? He's not what he once was, but if he stays healthy he could be solid.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:41pm

I didn't see him play last year. How many Jets games did you watch? He's not 34 until January, so if there is confidence in his ability to stay on the field, the Vikings really have to consider overpaying just about anybody, as bad off as they are in that position group.

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by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:44pm

I follow the N.Y. tenas pretty good. Mangold still good. But NYJ rebuidling. Backup to mangold (w. Johnson) was okay and much cheaper.r.

Am of opinion Mangold if healthy can still help a team.

Didn't consider vikings earlier. Could sign with that team. So think there are four sensible landing spots- cinn, minn, ten and Arizona.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:48pm

The Vikings ought to try to sign him, then, while also making a run at Lang, and use Berger for depth a guard and center. I have no idea what they should do about tackle. I think they have to try to re-sign Kalil, as mediocre as he has been at times.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 10:21am

Kalil to join his brother in Charlotte.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:40pm

That's not surprising, and as thin as the ranks are among free agent tackles, and in the draft, I have no idea where they should turn. The bill is coming due for only using two picks in the first 3 rounds, for an o-lineman, in a decade. Bet they wish they could have their 1st rounders, spent on wide receivers, back.

I'll console myself with the knowledge that Kalil's health has been in steady decline since his rookie year, even though he was able to stay on the field until this past year. He may be a guy who startes missing a lot of games regularly now.

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by ammek :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:07pm

Some of the best lines – and best teams – in the league have steered clear of drafting offensive linemen in the first three rounds. The Packers have drafted three linemen in the last decade, the Patriots three also, and the Saints and Panthers four each. Even 2016's champion, Oakland, hasn't drafted a lineman in the first round since Robert Gallery. Then look at the teams that have spent the most draft capital on the line: Cleveland, Indianapolis, Detroit and above all Miami. Minnesota's strategy is not bad in itself.

Take the example of the Packers. Their early-round selections have been so-so: Bryan Bulaga is good, Derek Sherrod (first-rounder in 2011) was a bust, and Jason Spriggs looked pretty shaky in his rookie season. Where the Packers have excelled is in the fourth and fifth rounds. Ted Thompson has drafted 11 linemen in those rounds; eight of them have started more than 30 games, and all of them either lasted six or more years in the NFL, or are currently starting, or both, except for free agent JC Tretter, who is a very good backup entering his fourth season. Green Bay's starters in 2016 were Bulaga plus two fourth-rounders, a fifth-rounder, and an undrafted guard. It's not as great a line as some (like PFF) make out, but it is more than serviceable.

In the 12 years that Thompson has been in Green Bay, the Vikings have drafted just four linemen in the fourth and fifth rounds. TJ Clemmings is the best of those players by a country mile. Minnesota has not done a good job of looking for (let alone finding) value on the line in the middle of the draft. That seems to me a more heinous error than selecting receivers in the early rounds, although they haven't covered themselves in glory with that either.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:24pm

If we expand to the 4th round, the Patriots have taken eight o-linemen in the last 10 drafts, the Vikings four. The Packers have also taken eight. Expand to the 5th, it's Packers at twelve picks, the Patriots at eleven, and the Vikings at six. The Vikings just haven't been investing enough in the group. They tried for a quick fix last year with free agency, along with guys getting healthy, and it wasn't an unreasonable plan. It blew up, obviously, and now they are really behind the 8-ball. Ugh.

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by T-Vector :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:42pm

It should be added that the new CBA has really stunted the teaching of linemen. I suspect, too lazy to study, that linemen are the most effected group in the limited practice rules. I wonder if this will make it more important to draft polished linemen from schools such as Iowa.

I also wonder if Green Bay will be able to keep up their run of quality out of the low rounds.

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by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:41pm

Wiould bet mangold signs with Bengals, titmas, kor Cardinals

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by Fargo :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 8:22pm

I know it's not considered clever to comment on RJ typos any more, but I do love the Tennessee Titmas.

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by young curmudgeon :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:01pm

Yes, I was rooting for them long before there was even a team in Nashville!

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:38pm

It's a really interesting situation, with there being gigantic shortages in qb and o-line talent, and I don't know what to make of it. Has defensive talent simply reached te point, playing on a field with the same dimensions as a century ago, that offense is just at a terrible disadvantage , even with all the rules tweaks, that it's just too hard to find guys who play well at those offensive positions? Is the NFL offensive sophistication, in response to that inherent defensive advantage just to much for guys to master? Hell if I know.

I increasingly think that going to CFL field dimensions would be the best change to make.

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by billprudden :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:49pm

Interesting phenomenon this season: Around Thursday before each NFL weekend, my girlfriend would ask "so, what's the worst RT vs. strong-side pash rusher we'll see on Sunday?" Assuming I'd already checked our TV listings, I'd tell her. She would then ask "does that coach give his guys any help?" with a twinkle in her eye. It seems, after watching Manning and Newton ground to little bits in the previous 2 Super Bowls, that she had a new favorite football play - not the 4th-and-one FB dive, not the deep sideline bomb, not the 100 yard KO return for TD - nope, sweettee now relishes the "billion dollar franchise that has a former butcher, baker, or candlestick maker at RT" game. I think it is a kind of meta statement on nihilism and a globalized economy or something, but I thought I'd mention it after your thoughts about simply not enough OLs.

We all gotta love the game for something.

Bill

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 2:02pm

I'll always remember the Broncos Panther Super Bowl for the early Von Miller strip sack. I thought even Don Shula's son would know that it was critical to not allow the Broncos defense easy chances to win the game, especially early. 1st quarter, 3rd and forever, deep in Panther territory, The Shulameister has Newton taking a deep drop, no help for the rt, and I shout at the t.v. "What the HELL!!" about a half second before Miller turns the corner as easy as can be imagined, and produces a touchdown.

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by billprudden :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 2:26pm

Exactly. Except on our couch "What the HELL" is replaced by a sarcastic, delicious, know-it-all version of "wait, do you see what I see?" as the TE flexes away from the RT and the RB squares up left of center to absorb a MLB behind the 3T who may or may not actually be blitzing.

We all know what happens next, and we love it.

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by Theo :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 2:29pm

Keep her.

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by Rhys :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:08am

Girl needs a ring, don't make her go to New England in free agency.

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by James-London :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 7:33am

+1
Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:50pm

There's some old saying, can't recall who said it, but it's basically:

"Back in 1965, there were 16 teams, and 12 good QBs. Now, there's 32 teams, and there are still 12 good QBs."

And, yes, I'm pretty sure there weren't 16 teams in 1965, but, you know. The problem isn't that there's now a gigantic shortage of QB talent, as much as there are a lot of teams and the game rules have just shifted to heavily emphasize passing; one of my favorite stats about the '85 Bears is how I always remembered Willie Gault as this amazing deep threat, and he led all WRs on that team with 33 catches.

Nobody is changing the field dimensions, because money. It's just going to continue to be a have/have not league with QBs, because nobody's going to change the rules to de-emphasize passing, because points are sexy and exciting.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/07/2017 - 1:54pm

It really gets ugly when nobody can block, that's for sure. Watching Sam Bradford avoid annihilation by throwing 2 yard completions quickly makes me consider going outside to do yard work.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:19pm

Bradford could be stood behind all of Hadrian's wall, the Maginot Line and the Great Wall of China and he'd still be eyeing up that two yard dump off.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:25pm

Eh, we have about as much knowledge of what Bradford would play like, with some confidence of receiving adequate protection, as we do what Gronk would act like, if he stopped seeing the world through the eyes of a 14 year old.

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by TomC :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:40pm

The Maginot Line: built to defend against Vince Wilfork, forgetting about a league full of Von Millers.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:54pm

Well Bradford's tackles blocked edge rushers just about as well as the Ardennes forest blocked German Panzers.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:11pm

+1

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by johonny :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 8:02pm

Also points mean fantasy interest and so many people play fantasy these days. When your team doesn't have a good QB basically fantasy becomes your season. You watch Redzone, and track players [performance instead of a team's and the whole concept of "fan" dramatically changes. I found when I stopped playing fantasy, and my teams QB wasn't going to take them far...modern NFL isn't a very gripping sport.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 8:49am

You're a Ravens fan, aren't you? Flacco took them to a Super Bowl four seasons ago, right?

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by johonny :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:52am

Exceptions don't prove rules. Just using the last few seasons top 10 QBs in the stats on this site have around a 70% playoff rate. Bottom 10 QBs have ~ 7% playoff rate. That's pretty much an order of magnitude difference in how interesting that season is going to be for you based on knowing about how good a QB you have. Sure, the stars, the schedule, your defense, your special teams can all align for you, but mostly they're not. It's really silly to even question this point.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:03pm

I'm not questioning your point, or read on the situation. I'm merely pointing out that there's a lot of fanbases out there that would love to have the Ravens success.

I am not exaggerating that I passed a car yesterday in Virginia that had 37 Detroit Lions stickers on it among the hood, left side, and rear. That guy would probably have a few ideas about rooting for a team that we knew in August had no chance of winning.

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by Rhys :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:03am

$3.9M worth of first class chicken tenders for Malcolm Butler. Does anyone think Green Bay (or possibly some other team with a late 1st/terrible secondary) will try an offer?

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by dryheat :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 8:45am

The Steelers and Dolphins absolutely should. However, the Patriots have the cap space to match. It could, however, hurt them in other areas.

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by SFC B :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:21am

I think the Dolphins should try it regardless. Butler would help them in an area of need, and if NE decides to match it cuts down on the resources they have available.

Of course NE could just do like the Tampa Bay Rays did a decade ago when they put Jose Canseco on waivers; let him go and have the new team overpay.

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by T-Vector :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:07am

Brandon Marshall to the Giants. Eli has a big receiver now.

Vernon Davis three more years to Redskins, proof the Redskins are missing their GM. Waste of a roster spot.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:24am

Three years ago Vernon Davis was holding out because he didn't think the 5-year $37million contract with $23 million guaranteed was what he was worth.

Good to see him tumble these past few years although $15 million is still good money by the standards of the rest of us.

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by galactic_dev :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:59am

Brandon must be sick of being double covered!

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by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 12:37pm

If the Giants could find one more vaguely competent offensive lineman to replace the Erik Flowers Memorial Subway Turnstile, Eli would probably have a Peyton-like late-career resurgence. Their receivers have been ODB and a bunch of guys for a while.

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by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 1:51pm

Vaguely competent o-linemen are going to get hugely overpaid in the next few days/few weeks, because there aren't many of them available, and the tackle crop in the draft this year is reportedly quite poor. I've heard it said that the guard situation in the draft this year is better, but that may mostly be in reference to the paucity of good college tackles. It's just a desert when it comes to large people who can block.

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by dryheat :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 3:15pm

See Rick Wagner, new Lions right tackle for 9 million per annum.

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by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 3:57pm

Yep, a middle of the road right tackle who becomes the highest paid guy at the position, earning about 50% more than the next guy, other than the guy in Philly who is expected to become a left tackle. The Vikings really have to try to re-sign Kalil, just because there ain't anybody else. He owns two or three restaurants in Minnesota, that are reportedly doing well (Clay Matthews fans?), so there's a chance that he'd rather just stay with the Vikings, if the disparity between what the Vikings and somebody else offers isn't too great. Hell, if Kalil wasn't coming off injury, I'd bet he'd receive 12 million-plus a year offers. He might anyways, as tight as this market is. Somebody has to play the position.

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by Purds :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:11am

Colts resign Doyle. Decent price (3 yr $19M can go to $21M with incentives). Was their top TE last year.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 5:41pm

Meanwhile it says up above that the Colts will be trading TE Dwayne Allen to the Patriots. Presume that's the Patriots way of saying "Good luck in free agency, Martellus".

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by Purds :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 8:05pm

When healthy, Allen can be very good. A nice pick up for the Pats, and the Colts could use the draft pick as they are happy with Doyle. They don't run many double TE sets

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by turbohappy :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 11:50am

I think his best is quite a bit better than Doyle's best, but Doyle has been way more consistent especially in the area of staying on the field.

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by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 2:56pm

Good grief, the alleged alcohol addict in Maryland is the guy who has been wholly cut out of the decision-making process for the D.C. Snyders, and it was Danny-Boy and The (remaining) Bobos that extended Vernon Davis and made Kirk Cousins a plutocrat.

If McCloughan needs to get on the wagon, maybe the other guys need to fall off.

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by jtr :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 3:48pm

Word on the street is that McCloughan isn't totally smitten with Cousins, so he wanted to play hardball on contract negotiations with Cousins and then draft a QB if they couldn't make a deal. Snyder didn't like that idea, so McCloughan now seems to have been pushed out into the cold, leaving the team rudderless at the exact time of year that a GM earns his pay.

I'm really not sure why talented coaches and executives even answer Snyder's calls anymore. Snyder's tenure has been marked by obsessions with whoever his favorite player is at the time, and apparently is willing to fire or drive off a coach over a minor disagreement related to that star. The same thing happened with Zorn asking Clinton Portis to give a shit at practice, then with Shanahan having the gall to tell RGIII which plays to run. The bright side is that Snyder keeps getting the franchise that he deserves.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:41pm

I read something a couple of years ago that said the NFL owners club is a tight bunch in the respect that if you turn down an interview with one it marks your card. I was quite surprised by that because I thought that if you chose to turn down an interview with say Snyder then the reasons for that would be acceptable and not held against you by other franchises. But you notice coaches like McDaniels made very careful excuses about why they turned down the 49ers.

Said this previously during coach hirings but the other reason people accept his calls is because there are only 32 positions in the league and most of the available positions that come up for failing franchises like San Francisco, Cleveland, Buffalo. It's rare New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay are looking for a new GM. If you believe you're good at your job (and especially if you have an ego looking for power) then you take whatever option is available believing you can turn it around.

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by apk3000 :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 8:55am

The rumors I've seen are the opposite: Snyder and Allen are still smarting from the fact that Gruden kicked RG3 to the curb and are determined to let Cousins twist in the wind. McCloughan knows you can't get rid of competent QBing if you don't have someone to step in.

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by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 3:05pm

Cowboys reportedly definitely hav decided to release Romo tomorrow. It'll really be interesting to see it play out.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:17pm

49ers are rumored to have agreements with Brian Hoyer, Marquise Goodwin and Pierre Garcon.

They're not resting on their heels, that's for sure.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:26pm

Really starting to wonder when Josh McCown shared the giant folder of compromising photos of NFL GMs he must have with Brian Hoyer; they're both instantly capable of finding jobs, even though they're, well, Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer.

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:29pm

well they wisdll sign for relatively chepa amount and usually go where incumbent quaretrabck is turd-like . so they figure they have good chancne to play. one year they wilel maybe play decently enogujh to get better money for one year. dream of hoyer and mccown is to have year like r. Fitzpatrick had in 2015 for n.y . jets.

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by Steve in WI :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 5:09pm

In fairness to Hoyer, he was on a 1 year/$2M deal with the Bears last year. That's very reasonable for what he brings to the table as a very solid backup. Signing him to be a starter, as the 49ers apparently have, is crazy.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 5:38pm

But the alternative for the 49es is ...

It's a 2-year deal so it's not like they're chaining the organisation to him longer than it'll hopefully need to find a replacement. They're not Brocking themselves.

I think it may also be that they believe Hoyer knows how to be a professional from his time in New England and therefore will be able to help the new regime set the right tone and culture?

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by zenbitz :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 8:41pm

Yeah, what are the Niners supposed to do here? Draft Kizer or Trubinsky #2 and throw him to the wolves? Sign Romo? Play Christian Ponder?

Trade picks? They are pretty bereft of talent, I think KS just picked a dude that knew his playbook so he can go into the draft without worrying about hole filling.

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:00pm

Hoyer to s.f. good movie. Just not exciting for really any fans. Not evenexcyiting for fantasy football

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by Bryan Knowles :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:18pm

Especially when you consider the team literally had no quarterbacks under contract after Kaepernick opted out. Had to start somewhere.

It's a sudden sea change in the 49ers front office; they were extraordinarily passive under Trent Baalke, and very active under John Lynch.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:25pm

I think Trubisky is awesome, his tape reminds me of Aaron Rodgers, so I'd happily take him at two. I think he's streets ahead of Wentz or Goff.

But I think this is more about having a veteran in place so that we can either bring a rookie along slowly if needed, wait a year for Cousins without giving up picks or be able to pick from a deeper ab class next year.

We aren't winning much next year whatever happens so I don't feel we should be rushing to find a qb, Hoyer's a veteran that knows Shanahan's scheme.

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:27pm

just ssw something on yahoo main page about dog mastering art fo the fart. will check that out on hoem computer. the 49erts signing those players is about as exciting as dog farts

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 5:43pm

Can it light them as well?

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 03/08/2017 - 7:30pm

Probably cannot . lightinf farts on fire hard for mkst humans. Dogs don't eve. Have fingers to be able to work a lighter or matches

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by billprudden :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 9:38am

Irrefutable logic there.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:38pm

If humans end up lighting farts for dogs then it's time to wonder who's really in charge.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 10:14am

Stephon Gilmore to the Patriots. It will be interesting to see whether there is a "winners discount" involved, because he was reportedly looking for some serious cash.

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by PatsFan :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:16am

Reportedly a 5yr contract with a $14 million AAV. Of course, as we all know, the guarantee, etc. details are what really matters.

Really makes me wonder if this is the end for Butler in NE. Can't see NE paying big money to two corners. I'm thinking NE either does a match-and-trade or simply doesn't match and just pockets the first-rounder.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:31am

Rumour say they're looking to trade Butler to the Saints for Brandin Cooks.

Apparently extension talks between the Patriots and Butler were 'brief'.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:39am

That was my immediate reaction as well, given their willingness to trade a #1 for Cooks earlier this month.

I think I'd rather have Butler, though. Unless Belichick feels more confident in being able to extend Cooks than he is Butler.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:11pm

Makes a lot of sense for all parties, though it's totally screwing up what's been my pet theoretical free agency move; the Patriots would send Jimmy G to the Saints to be QB of the future, the Saints would send Brandin Cooks to New England, and they'd fiddle with associated compensation in the meantime.

Cooks really is the kind of guy who's well-suited to be a holy terror in New England's offense.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:12pm

Problem is, as good as Cooks may be, the Pats tend to pay the WRs about $5-6million and as a group they only commit about $20 million to the WRs in total.

I can't see Cooks being willing to take something in that region when in free agency he could surely get double that.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:14pm

And with the Saints acquiring Ted Ginn, this seems like a done deal.

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by Steve in WI :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:23pm

If reports are true that Gilmore didn't think the Bears' offer was serious enough, shame on Ryan Pace. I know $14M/year is a lot of money, but NE isn't known for overpaying guys. When I heard on the radio this morning that Gilmore was expected to go to NE, I thought "who wouldn't rather play there than for the Bears?" But if the money wasn't even there in the Bears' offer, with all of their cap space, that's depressing.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 10:16am

Also DeSean Jackson to the Bucs. Interesting offense they're putting together. Definitely a Dirk Koetter selection.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:14pm

Very pleased with this, as the Bucs desperately need some speed at WR. Hell, a pulse at WR. It's Mike Evans and guys who would be #4s on most NFL depth charts, if that. I'm currently entertaining a dream of the Bucs drafting Corey Davis or O.J. Howard and just going the Peyton-era Colts route of "build your offense to be great and just hope the defense is good enough" thing.

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by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:04pm

in ym opinion, o.j. howard top tne material. t.b. buccaneers may have to trade up to get him. think Howard is next great tight end. fo course, nto totally sure wht kind of guy he is. could very posiibly turn out as latest nfl clown leik Lawrence Phillips or johnny manziel or ryan leaf or (insert anme of any otpher nfl weirdo)

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:12pm

Philips and Manziel were well-known epic douches in college, and I haven't heard reports that Howard is troublesome like that. He also had a huge combine performance, so I don't expect him to be there at #19. When Davis and Howard go off the board right before Tampa's pick, I'm going to pretty much drop into my "hope we trade down because somebody wants to jump up for Watson/Kizer/whichever QB has plummeted" territory.

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by johonny :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:25am

Last year Miami let free agents walk, this season they seem to be working hard to keep pieces while shedding some bloated contracts. Branch seemed entirely replaceable, but Stills deep speed is hard to find and I guess makes the deal feel worth it. Clearly other teams wanted him. I still expect at least one new LB signed but these contracts might mean the huge Miami free agent splash isn't coming this offseason.

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by jtr :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:12pm

After Wheeler, Alonso, and Ellerbe, it's probably a mercy if the Dolphins can't free up enough cash to throw a huge contract at a linebacker this year.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 4:58pm

....And the Dolphins just made their annual expensive linebacker mistake. Supposedly just signed Lawrence Timmons to 2/$12 with basically all of it guaranteed. I love Timmons for all the good years he gave the Steelers, but the last two years he's clearly been a step too slow to cover anybody.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:37pm

Timmons is too slow to be a cover ILB on the deep seam, but he is a great blitzer on a team with no great OLBs. It also creates a hole they HAVE to fill in the draft immediately.

combined with (for a change) actually having cap space and wasting it on Landry Jones.

Typical Omar Tomlin. Dumber than a box of rock and too proud to realize it. We do what we do.

Patriots- sign Gilmore, trade for Ealy, get BETTER on a #1 scoring defense.

Steelers- get worse in all phases of game.

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The standard is the standard!

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:56pm

The contract the Dolphins signed Timmons for is more than he's worth at this point and I suspect you would be complaining about it if the Steelers matched--I know I would. Vince Williams is under contract through 2018 and he'll be just fine, especially if the team has Shazier handle the tougher coverage assignments. I think edge rusher is going to be a much higher priority for the Steelers at the draft, and fortunately this looks to be a good draft to me looking for one late in the first round.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 6:28pm

if VW was fine to take over Timmons coverage duties, he would have overtaken him as a starter to begin with.

agree edge rusher is rich. --------------------------------------
The standard is the standard!

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by justanothersteve :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 8:54pm

I suspect you would be complaining about it if the Steelers matched

Nailed it

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:50pm

my comments on other forums indicate otherwise.

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The standard is the standard!

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:23pm

Torrey Smith to Philly 3/15

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by jtr :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:40pm

With Garcon and Jackson on their way out, the Squirrels just let WR go from a big strength to a big weakness. They still have Crowder in the slot, but right now I guess their top outside receiver is...Josh Doctson? With two career receptions on seven targets.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:04pm

And PFT reports that Cousins asked Snyder to trade him.

What a sh!tshow in our nation's capital.

And I'm not being political. I actually enjoy Snyder's misfortunes. He's like Wile E Coyote, but less likable.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:09pm

Plus Cousins has formally requested a trade per PFR. So, both top WRs gone, the QB wants out, the GM is by reports and/or vague accusations off the wagon again and not vaguely involved, and the owner has traditionally been a meddling twit with a hair trigger on his firing finger and the Washington Football Franchise is headed for some seriously entertaining dumpster fire territory.

*grabs popcorn*

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:03pm

Cousins' agent simply has to find a way to have The Kirkster sign the tender, get paid, without actually having to play another snap for The D.C. Snyders. Maybe Cousins can have Mike Shanahan adopt him. Danny-Boy flies into a rage, and cuts him, before Bobo Bruce Allen can unplug the fax machine.

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by serutan :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:39pm

If I may be permitted a bit of {IMO worthwhile} necromancy, I present the classic assessment of Lord Voldemort:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2009/walkthrough-its-good-l...
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Was wr

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by billprudden :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 8:02am

Sign tender, start getting headaches...

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:42pm

I certainly don't blame Cousins for wanting out right now. He's probably at his absolute peak value right now, and as things stand he's about to play under a one-year deal with a decimated receiving corps and a front office that has once again gutted themselves over office politics. The team is setting him up to look bad right before his first opportunity to sign a long-term deal; this season could very easily cost him tens of millions of dollars.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:58pm

Packers have resigned LB Nick Perry. Five years, $60 million, with an $18.5 million signing bonus and no other guaranteed money. Full details here.

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by serutan :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:27pm

In the shock news of FA season, Bears release Cutler.
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Was wr

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by Steve in WI :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:35pm

I'm a little pissed that the Bears did not get something for him in a trade the last 2 years. I find it hard to believe that there was no one who would have offered a midround pick.

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by theslothook :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:53pm

The bigger issue was his contract i think.

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by Steve in WI :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:56pm

But as contracts go, it really wasn't bad anymore. He was going to be essentially pay-as-you-go from 2017 onward and really, anything <$20M for a starting-caliber QB is reasonable anymore as long as you're not tied to him for multiple years. Certainly anytime after the 2015 season I don't think the contract would have been the sticking point at all.

I seem to recall hearing that when Pace was hired, he was quietly shopping Cutler but I don't recall if there were no offers or if there were no offers deemed good enough.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 3:38pm

Alshon Jeffery leaning towards the Eagles per PFR. The most notable thing about that is it's the first real rumor regarding Jeffery; guys like Jackson, Stills, Britt, and Pryor have had the rumor mill churning left and right, but this is really the first mention of Jeffery in the last week or so.

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by bobrulz :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:00pm

Am I the only person that obsessively tracks and speculates on where every marginal backup QB is going to end up?

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:45pm

Browns trade for Brock Osweiler and the Texans 2018 second round pick. Yes, The Texans are giving the Browns a pick to get rid of Osweiler. LOL

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by theslothook :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:47pm

Like a nba sign and trade

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:54pm

I love these trades. They pop up in the NHL once in a while. "You want me to take your bad contract? What are you going to give me to do so?"

All of the sudden, Romo to Houston looks good, and if Romo has anything left in the tank, gets reasonably good health, and can digest the O'Brien offense, the Texas are a legit threat in the AFC.

Also, Cleveland could cut Osweiler now, setting him up for another free agent payday. Which will likely be less than last time around.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:55pm

Me too. I've wondered why NFL teams don't do this more often.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:39pm

Can anybody think of another example in the NFL of a team trading a player for negative value just to get rid of his contract? You see it pretty regularly in MLB, plus similar NBA trades that occur because the last year of a bad contract has its own weird sort of value in the NBA salary cap system. But I can't think of another dump like this in the NFL. Usually the dumping team at least nets a sixth round pick or whatever so they can tell the fanbase that they got SOMETHING for the guy.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:20pm

They're saying it's a first which makes it even more of a hit on Osweiler's ego as he'll always be associated with the first time it happened.

Credit to the Browns (DePodesta) for coming up with it. Capspace is an asset to be traded.

The only possible downside I see is Browns players being disgruntled that they're underpaid but the team is willing to dump $16 million on Brock and cut him.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:24pm

If NFL players got mad about overpaid teammates, I don't think the league would work.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:04am

If Browns management comes to a player and demands a pay cut, the player is now in a position to answer, "So you can use the space to eat someone else's bad contract? No thanks."

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 10:03am

If a player refuses a pay cut management wants, then the player is released, just like anywhere else. Players accept pay cuts when they perceive that being a free agent won't be a better outcome than the paycut being offered.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:05am

Duplicate. Sorry.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:05am

Another duplicate. Sorrier.

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by Theo :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:03pm

This gives me some confidence that the Browns might, MIGHT, be turning the ship around.

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by tuluse :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:23pm

I can't think of any. NFL draft picks are way more valuable than NBA (outside top 15 and you're lucky to find even a role player in NBA draft), and way less plentiful than MLB. So it's a double squeeze that if you're gonna take the cap hit, why give something up to do it?

I'm guessing trading him means the cap hit isn't as severe as it would have been cutting him.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:47pm

OTC notes on his player page that they're not exactly sure how Osweiler's guaranteed salary and bonus gets split between CLE and HOU. As of right now their best guess seems to be that he costs CLE $16M this year and HOU $9M, for whatever that's worth.

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by Karma Coma :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 3:54am

On a much smaller scale, yes. Following the 2008 season, the Pats traded Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Chiefs for the #33 pick. The trade was contingent on both Cassel and Vrabel reporting and passing physicals. At the time, New England was low on cap space (~14 mil, i think, entering free agency). Vrabel was 33, slowing down, and represented a $4.3 mil hit against the $123 mil cap, including a looming $1 mil roster bonus. It was rumored, but i don't think ever officially verified, that the Pats received higher offers for Cassel. I think the Pats packaged Vrabel with Cassel to clear his salary off the books and be better positioned for free agency. In doing so, they took lower value for Cassel than they could have trading him as a solo asset.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:45pm

Um.

Adam Schefter is reporting the following trade:

Houston gets:
Cleveland's 4th-round pick.

Cleveland gets:
QB Brock Osweiler
Houston's 6th-round pick
Houston's 2nd-round pick in 2018.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:53pm

Soooo funny!

Brought about by throwing money at a player without even bring him in for a visit, good job nobody has been dumb enough to do that again this year...

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:55pm

If I'm Cleveland, I just got free draft picks, and I can cut Osweiler today, right? I mean, it's not like they don't have the cap space.

HILARIOUS. To everyone except Osweiler.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:57pm

Probably no reason to necessarily cut him right now -- as you say, they can afford him, even if it's to sit on the bench.

It's a jaw-dropping trade.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:05pm

Do you wait to showcase him in the 1st two preseason games, hope he gets lucky again, while some other team's qb gets hurt? Is there a team out there that would still be dumb enough to overpay for Oz?

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:08pm

Let's not forget that Os is the best QB on Cleveland's roster at the moment.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 12:58am

Also, they may need 5+ QBs to get through the season again (even if their OL is massively upgraded, you can never be sure about Bitonio's/Greco's health, Thomas finally hitting the wall that LTs usually hit in their early 30s, or the gaping hole at RT that remains with Cam Erving there.)

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by Theo :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:25pm

NFL GMs only group! Get Fired Get Out!

Texans: shopping Osweiler, he backed up Peyton Manning! Need a good offer!
Ravens: Hi Ozzie here, we're not falling for that one again. Bye.
49ers: we have our eyes set on Bears backup Hoyer.
Cowboys: we're cutting Romo, don't need no stinkin backup serry.
Bengals: Dalton is just doing fine for us.
Rex Ryan: this might be the guy! Let's get him!
Rob Ryan: I like it, let's get him!
Rex Ryan: Let's get him!
Texans: Right?!
Rob Ryan: Let's go!
Rex Ryan: Let's go!
Rob Ryan: Let's go!
Rob Ryan: Let's get him!
Bill Bel: guys, you have been fired from you jobs. Please leave this group.
Texans: Oh...
Saints: we will probably draft our guy and keep Brees. Makes sense. I think.
Texans: what?! This guy backuped Peyton Manning! That's worth... something? He backed him up. That's worth something... right?! He was his backup. He was backing Peyton Manning up.
John Elway everything Broncos: c'mon guys! Help a colleague out!
Raiders: sorry, we're set, unless he runs a blazin 40 again we might try him at wide receiver.
Chargers: Sorry guys. We were on the move and have been busy the last year, not our mind on football. Who is this kid?
Rams: I'lk give you 2 fiestr round for hinm tif you give us a seconv aorund.
Texans: 2 first rounders versus a second rounder and Brock... you're pushing it, what else do you got?
Rams: Aaaron donald sis pretty good 'l'lthrow n hjim in too. I mean a bqb versyus a taclke on defense what's the vlasues wirth rught?
Texans: Aaron Donald, 2 first rounders and we give a second rounder. I will talk this over with my boss.
Rams: sorry, oir SOP uso now to not sigh contrans drunk and I blew wauy over srry. Godonight though!
Redskins: lol that was funny, he just beat me
Bears: haha
Eagles: Yup that's the first time I hear about an SOP that can't be signed drunk...
Raiders: SOP?
Bill Bel: Standard Operating Procedure... it's important!
The Rock: FOCUS!
Saints: we're good but this was funny
Jets: hahaha
Jaguars: no we have all the trust that our current QB will lead us to next year Super Bowl. Really.
Seahawks: we're set
Lions: we good
Packers: yup, we good.
Falcons: dude.
Bills: no
Chiefs: nope nope nope
Vikings: eh.. who? No.
Panthers: nah.
Browns: dude's got big contract you want to get rid of right? We'll take it... if you're interested.
Texans: Yes! Yes! Let me hear your offer!
Browns: we'll give you a fourth rounder for him if you include a sixth rounder, because we need depth. And... wait one moment.
Texans: Yes! Yes! Good we'll take it!
Browns: .... and you will give us your next year's second. (can't hold his laughing)
Texans: we yes! eh no. Wait what. Yeah no problem.
Browns: ok, done deal, I'll fax you the paperwork.
Texans: fax us...
Browns: we'll handle it from here.
Texans: okay thank you.
49ers: for real? this is how it goes?
Raiders: good trade
Broncos: good trade, well done
Bengals: gg.
Jets: wow
Dolphins: you can do this? Well played!
Lions: gg
Bucs: gg
Cardinals: gg
Bill Bel: anyone interested in overrated stars, let me know.
Steeelers: opened app, 56 messages... what are you guys doing?! ZZZZZZzzzz
Buccaneers: we released Glennon, the guy is worthless.
Bear: thanks, we signed Glennon just now.

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by MarkV :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:27pm

nice

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by Theo :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:50pm

Sorry got the total transcript...

NFL GMs only group! Get Fired Get Out!

Texans: shopping Osweiler, he backed up Peyton Manning! Need a good offer!
Ravens: Hi Ozzie here, we're not falling for that one again. Bye.
49ers: we have our eyes set on Bears backup Hoyer.
Cowboys: we're cutting Romo, don't need no stinkin backup serry.
Bengals: Dalton is just doing fine for us.
Rex Ryan: this might be the guy! Let's get him!
Rob Ryan: I like it, let's get him!
Rex Ryan: Let's get him!
Texans: Right?!
Rob Ryan: Let's go!
Rex Ryan: Let's go!
Rob Ryan: Let's get him!
Bill Bel: guys, you have been fired from your jobs. This is a GM only group. Please leave this group.
Texans: Oh...
Saints: we will probably draft our guy and keep Brees. Makes sense. I think.
Texans: what?! This guy backuped Peyton Manning! That's worth... something? He backed him up. That's worth something... right?! He was his backup. He was backing Peyton Manning up.
John Elway everything Broncos: c'mon guys! Help a colleague out!
Raiders: sorry, we're set, unless he runs a blazin 40 again we might try him at wide receiver.
Chargers: Sorry guys. We were on the move and have been busy the last year, our mind hasn't been on football. Who is this kid?
Rams: I'lk give you 2 fiestr round for hinm tif you give us a seconv aorund.
Texans: 2 first rounders versus a second rounder and Brock... you're pushing it, what else do you got?
Rams: Aaaron donald sis pretty good 'l'lthrow n hjim in too. I mean a bqb versyus a taclke on defense what's the vlasues worth rught?
Texans: Aaron Donald, 2 first rounders and we give a second rounder. I will talk this over with my boss.
Rams: sorry, oir SOP uso now to not sigh contrans drunk and I blew wauy over srry. Godonight though!
Redskins: lol that was funny, he just beat me
Bears: haha
Eagles: Yup that's the first time I hear about an SOP that can't be signed drunk...
Raiders: SOP?
Bill Bel: Standard Operating Procedure... it's important!
Saints: we're good but this was funny
Jets: hahaha
The Rock: FOCUS!
Jets: sorry Rock
Raiders: sorry Rock
Cardinals: sorry Rock
Jaguards: sorry Rock
Seahawks: sorry Rock
Ravens: Ozzie here... sorry Rock
John Elway everything Broncos: sorry Rock
Eagles: sorry Rock
Rams: sorry Rock
49ers: sorry Rock
Bengals: sorry Rock
Bill Bel: sorry Rock
Redskins: sorry Rock
Bears: sorry Rock
Buccaneers: sorry Rock
Falcons: sorry Rock
Colts: sorry Rock
Lions: sorry Rock
Chiefs: sorry Rock
Bills: sorry Rock
Titans: sorry Rock
Giants: sorry Rock
Jaguars: no we have all the trust that our current QB will lead us to next year Super Bowl. Really.
Seahawks: we're set
Lions: we good
Packers: yup, we good.
Falcons: dude.
Bills: no
Chiefs: nope nope nope
Vikings: eh.. who? No.
Panthers: nah.
Browns: dude's got big contract you want to get rid of right? We'll take it... if you're interested.
Texans: Yes! Yes! Let me hear your offer!
Browns: we'll give you a fourth rounder for him if you include a sixth rounder, because we need depth. And... wait one moment.
Texans: Yes! Yes! Good we'll take it!
Browns: .... and you will give us your next year's second. (can't hold his laughing)
Texans: we yes! eh no. Wait what. Yeah no problem.
Browns: ok, done deal, I'll fax you the paperwork.
Texans: fax us...
Browns: we'll handle it from here.
Texans: okay thank you.
49ers: for real? this is how it goes?
Raiders: good trade
Broncos: good trade, well done
Bengals: gg.
Jets: wow
Dolphins: you can do this? Well played!
Lions: gg
Bucs: gg
Cardinals: gg
Bill Bel: anyone interested in overrated stars, let me know.
Steeelers: opened app, 56 messages... what are you guys doing?! ZZZZZZzzzz
Packers: sorry what?
Buccaneers: we released Glennon, the guy is worthless.
Bears: thanks, we signed Glennon just now to a 14 million AA thank you.

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by Noah Arkadia :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:33pm

I liked the first version better.

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by Dales :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:09pm

Jerry Reese not part of the conversation?

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by theslothook :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:46pm

I hope Oz didn't buy a house in Houston, though it could be forgiven since he signed such a long term deal.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:59pm

Brock is one of the few athletes who is wholly accurate when he plays the disrespect card.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:52pm

You could line up every single person in Houston in front of Osweiler and have them insult his mother, and that would still be more respectful than this trade was.

"Please, just go. Please. Anything. Just go."

Really smart move by Cleveland.

Wait, did I just write that?

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 6:37pm

Wait 'til the Browns pick Josh McCown back up in preseason and decide to start him over Brock. That'll be the final insult.

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by theslothook :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:02pm

Don't be surprised to see Josh McCown on the Cleveland roster circa 2020. Hell, don't even be shocked to see him get a start or two during the season.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 12:54am

(not sure if serious meme)

I think McCown spends one year backing up Dak and calling it quits. Has to be concerned about long-term health after playing through beatings lately.

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by theslothook :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:27pm

it wasn't serious

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:09pm

Kalil, with all the tape there is of him executing blocks in a less than stellar fashion, and coming off a two game season, commands 11 million a year. Yeah, I'd say it is a seller's market.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:20pm

Riely Reiff to Vikings, Luke Joekel to Seahawks. Good pickups for teams with desperate OL needs.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:30pm

Somebody's gotta play the position. It wouldn't be a shocker to see him outplay Kalil, and Vikings fans aren't used to cursing his name yet.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:34pm

Reiff has been a solid, if unspectacular tackle during his time in Detroit. I think it's a good move by Minnesota

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:49pm

Yeah, this is a solid pickup, just because (A) he's not awful and (B) he's going to be getting a saner contract than Matt Kalil's. I mean, it wouldn't take much.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 6:06pm

"he's going to be getting a saner contract than Matt Kalil's"

That's a good point, I haven't seen any contract details yet. It's a good move assuming they didn't grossly overpay him.

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 6:55pm

Unless his agent is in line for a personnel job with the Texans, they overpaid him. If you can fog a mirror, get in a 3 point stance, and get to 300 pounds with an extra serving of mashed potatoes tonight, you're in line to be overpaid.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 5:15pm

The Browns paid approximately 10% of one year's salary cap for approximately 25% of one year's draft value (420/1750 if you use the JJ chart values for a team picking 16th).

So a win for the Browns. It's even a win if you drop the value of the second rounder by one round because it's delayed a year* resulting in 190 points out of 1750, still more than 10%. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they arrived at that compensation.

*Any team that accepts paying like this is run by morons but it does sometimes happen when teams are desperate.

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by Ivarsson.se :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 6:55pm

How much is the cap savings on a 2nd round rookie over 4 years compared to a FA veteran of the same caliber, over the 4 (?) years of the rookie deal?

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:26pm

That would depend on the position wouldn't it? On average I think you'd expect around $20 million over four year.

Which just makes it a bigger win for the Browns, they'll likely get the cap room they've given up with that pick.

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by Ivarsson.se :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 6:45pm

Exactly.

It would of course also depend on the quality of the player drafted and that the spot the drafted player will finally fill (if he displaces another cheap rookie - not so much cap savings) and so on, but I like what the Browns did here.

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by Theo :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 7:55pm

Glennon?
His biggest trait is be tall and throw a ball around.

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by serutan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 12:54pm

Does the name "Brock Osweiller" mean anything to you?
_____
Was wr

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 03/09/2017 - 11:27pm

Ravens resign NT Brandon Williams for $54M/5 years. Slightly over half is guaranteed. Williams is now the NFL's highest paid NT. Still a bargain.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 1:55am

The 49ers are going all-in on ex-Bears. Robbie Gould, Brian Hoyer and now Matt Barkely.

Can Jay Cutler be far behind (yes).

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by coboney :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 6:10am

I think the Matt Barkley signing must be Lynch and Shanahan deciding that they must have one QB who's worse than last year's bunch or something....

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:16am

Finding it genuinely hilarious that the team that was bad enough last year it picks second in this year's draft is trying to improve by grabbing as many players as possible from the team that was bad enough last year it picks third in this year's draft.

Guys, I know you want to make some incremental steps to build a quality roster, but maybe not quite this "incremental".

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by serutan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 12:59pm

Until there is lot more evidence that Jed has really changed his ways, the Niners
aren't going to be attractive to the best free agents, and will have to overpay for mediocre ones.
______
Was wr

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by Steve in WI :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 3:01pm

That's an excellent point.

I honestly did not realize that Barkley was a free agent until I read this.

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by dryheat :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 8:28am

Logan Ryan gets 3/30 from Titans. The AFC South could field some very good defenses this year. At least the three that play in the actual South.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:36am

I really want to see Cutler go to the Jets. He's just a perfect fit for that team's distinctive brand of dysfunction. It would make Cutler and the Bears look like a happy marriage in comparison. Smokin' Jay chucking his third INT of the day while making it clear that he doesn't give a shit is the kind of thing NYC tabloid back-page headline writers live for. I want it so bad!

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:35pm

I have to admit the idea of the Jets signing Jay Cutler to be the starter and RGIII to be the backup is somewhat more than entertaining to me.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 4:33pm

God, I want this to happen more than anything.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:00pm

Can't decide whether I want the third QB to be Geno Smith or Brock Osweiler.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:05pm

With Christian Hackenberg somewhere offstage, Jets management unwilling to confirm his depth chart position, game readiness, or roster status.

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by CaffeineMan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:35pm

Boy, you guys are cruel... :-)

I'm a Pats fan and even I wouldn't wish this on the Jets.

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by mehllageman56 :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:41pm

Did any of you see what happened to Petty last year against Miami? It seems crueler to Cutler to hope for him to go there. I expect the Jets to be terrible next year, with a probably bad defense and no decent offensive tackles. They should sign Kaepernick, because he could run faster than the other guys.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:38am

Are we sure Rex Ryan is really gone from Buffalo? Signing two fullbacks in one day is Rex's idea of an offensive-minded offseason.

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by Ambientdonkey :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 12:03pm

Any Dolphins fans with thoughts on Dion Sims and why the Bears needed to guarantee him 10 million on the first day of free agency?

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by PatsFan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 2:44pm

I see Allen has been programmed well. Starts off his NE career by sucking up to Belichick and laying a burn on Pagano:
I understand the more skills I can provide the offense, hopefully the more mismatches can be created for myself and other players. That's what I'm about. I'm excited to be utilized as a football player again and not be confined to any box, but just to be a football player, tight end.

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by Purds :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:22pm

He seemed to be a great guy when he was in Indianapolis, and when he's healthy, he's a very good tight end. He absolutely can block and catch. Perhaps you New England folks can give him some of that Tom Brady special sauce to keep him healthy. I honestly hope he has a great career, even though I hope the team loses every game!
Oh, and as to him being programmed. He's always been like that. Look up his comments after the deflate gate stuff erupted. He has always been more worried about what he can control than what others can control.

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by CaffeineMan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:37pm

I saw that. Something to the effect that "they could have played with soap balls we still would have lost..."

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by Purds :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:44pm

Yep. My translation of what he said: it doesn't really matter to me as a player what the hell was going on outside of the lines of the field. We got crushed inside the lines and we need to get better

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by MJK :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 11:31pm

Well, he certainly should avoid the Gronkowski sauce for staying healthy...

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by CaffeineMan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:39pm

Pats trade with the Panthers for Kony Ealy (a draft pick swap of 8 spots gained for Panthers into the second round). Any NFC South fans want to chime in on Ealy? Don't know anything about him.

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by theslothook :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:44pm

He looked good in the sb

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by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 6:26pm

This is really more of a trade seen in baseball. Decent enough player has one year left on his contract. Trade him to someone in another division for what you can get (basically a 4th round pick). He's OK, kind of up and down. It's more that the rotation was going to be crowded to the point he wasn't going to get any snaps, so why not get SOMETHING for him. It would have been nice if he had put up Super Bowl MVP-ish play all the time, but he didn't, and he was deemed expendable. Some Panthers fans wish Gettleman had gotten more for him, or kept him around for depth, but not sure who else would have given up more, and coming out the winner trading with Darth Hoodie is not to be expected. One of his teammates described it on a conference call as this: "Once Kony gets it in his head that he’s unstoppable, then he’s going to be unstoppable. The guy’s a freak.”

Maybe Ealy thrives in NE, maybe he's just a guy... who knows?

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 7:53pm

Signing Rief and Remmers is about as well as the Vikings could expect to do with regard to their tackle debacle. They ought to see what Mangold can command, fill things out with Berger at guard/center depth, and maybe draft the best guard available in the 2nd, if somebody grades out that high. Try to move Clemmings inside too, to see if he can become a lot more effective when he doesn't have to play in as much space. A lot to build in 6 months.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:10pm

Here is my confusion:

Matt Kalil, 5 years $55 million.
Mike Remmers, 5 years, $30 million.
Luke Joeckel, 1 year, $8 million.

I understand the concept of a one year "prove it" deal, but, has Luke Joeckel considered firing his agent? I guess Remmers' deal I can vaguely comprehened at $6 million/per, but, if I'm Joeckel, I'd much rather have that than my one-year deal.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 11:18pm

Vikings fans complained about Kalil a lot, mostly because he was a number 3 overall draft pick, but while he was often not great, he almost never had had any help given him, and held his own in that context. You can't play offense in this league without one of your tackles being able to avoid disaster while out on an island, and Kalil met that standard. My largest concern is that his health has steadily declined since his rookie year, and last year he started missing games.

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by PatsFan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:03pm

Whoa!

NE sends their #1 and #3 to NO for WR Brandin Cooks and NO's 4th (#118+7). Since that is higher than the sole 4th-rounder NE currently holds (the one from SEA), the #118+7 will go up in smoke and SEA's #121+7 will be returned to NE.

Wonder if this ups the changes of a Jimmy G trade?

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:05pm

this is why the Pats *legit* contend every year and the Steelers don't.

why teams continue to make deals with the devil is beyond me.
a freakin steal for a team that didn't even need it.

--------------------------------------
The standard is the standard!

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:24am

They make those deals because their aim is to make their own team better, not stop New England. Especially given the Saints are in a different conference.

Cooks is unhappy in New Orleans, they got value for him before his rookie contract ended.

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by MJK :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 11:30pm

What was the exact wording on that ridiculous penalty? Was it "the lose the highest of the fourth round picks they manage to acquire", or "if they acquire another fourth round pick other than their own, the lose the higher of the two."

I'm sure the league intended the former, but I think the exact wording was the latter. It would imply that as soon as the pats acquired any 4th round pick, it would evaporate (since their natural pick is last in the round), and the penalty would be done. Then further picks could be acquired penalty free.

Still, there's no court of law they can argue the issue in, so the exact wording likely doesn't matter. Goodwill will screw them over maximally.

If there was any fairness or objectivity in the league, such sliding variable penalties would not be allowed. Of course, if there was any fairness and objectivity, the pats would have gotten a 10k fine two years ago and we all would have moved on with our lives.

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by justanothersteve :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 8:59pm

Packers sign Martellus Bennett. Definitely an upgrade over Cook. Packers wanted Cook back, but last I saw they weren't close on a contract. I guess Cook will be playing somewhere else now.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:11pm

IMMEDIATELY after they lose Peppers. Bennett takes over as the Charles Woodson Memorial Free Agent, the one star player they grab every five years or so.

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by justanothersteve :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:20pm

It's the Green Bay version of Highlander: There can be only one.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 10:37pm

I like the theory. I like it even better if I think of Snyder and company as Washington's version of Highlander II.

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 1:01am

Never saw Highlander II. I heard it was a total cluster of a movie that destroyed a franchise. Oh wait. Never mind.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:37am

Bennett is reported as getting $21m/3yr - an average of $7m.

He was earning $5M on his old contract and he reportedly turned down a $7m/year extension with the Patriots when he was traded there.

He set his starting price with the Pats at $9m so they traded for Dwayne Allen - younger and no doubt cheaper - and cut him loose in free agency.

I understand why it played out like that but seems like he's left a winning organisation to go somewhere for the same money.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:12am

To be fair, he went to a winning organization as well.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 8:50am

You're right, I'd forgotten they were in the NFC Championship game.

But, as much as I like Green Bay, I don't get the sense they're going to put it all together and win the SB again. Thompson isn't willing to sell out on his team-building strategy and I don't McCarthy has the flexibility to get past the rest of the NFC before he'd even have to face the AFC's best. Dallas, Atlanta, Carolina, Seattle, Arizona have all risen in the time since the Packers last won the SB.

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by big10freak :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:45pm

GB has been in the NFC Championship game 2 of the past 3 seasons. I am not related to McCarthy nor a diehard fan of the guy but how is GB so far removed from being in the mix to get to the Super Bowl?

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by theslothook :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:09pm

Im pretty shocked NE gave up so much for Cooks. Seems like a lot for him, though a reminder of the general performance of late late first round picks might sway me some. Still, Pats love underpaid talent and is cooks going to be that?

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:13pm

This offseason for NE very much feels like they're going all-in on one last Brady-Belichick season

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by PirateFreedom :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 2:43am

That's how it seems to me as well.
Revis was a big FA contract but a short one. The last big, long FA deal I remember the Pats doing was Adelius Thomas and that was long ago and mostly a failure.
Trading high draft picks for players who will be free agents soon seems even more unusual than that. I can't think of anything similar and I was shocked to see it happen.
The next thing would be Cowboy/Saint style extensions to mortgage the future for cap space now.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:14am

I felt like there's been a bit more freedom to BB's wheeling and dealing this offseason and that maybe he is going all-in. I'm interested to see how it plays out because he has never struck me as one to do that, yet he is also very good at playing his best hand to the situation that presents itself. So in the past he may well have been looking for longterm success thinking he was going to stay in coaching but if he knows he's retiring in a year or two then he may go for short term.

Anyway looking back to 2007, he paid a 2nd and a 7th to Miami for Wes Welker when he was a restricted free agent. So this deal comes closer considering that Cooks has a proven track record where Welker had already been cut by the Chargers and less than 100 receptions with Miami.

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by PirateFreedom :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:04am

Right, Welker. I forgot what they gave up for him.

I haven't seen much of the Saints in their current 7-9 incarnation but watching Cook highlights on youtube makes me feel a little better about the pick up. Cook looking back for a long pass , adjusting to it smoothly and speeding past everybody or leaping ridiculously high to come down with a catch has me excited about seeing him in Foxboro.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:14pm

Cooks will presumably get a new contract for a bunch of money, and the Patriots appear to be loading up for those last few years of peak/semi-peak Brady.

The Patriots paid less for Cooks than I expected in terms of draft compensation; rumors had it that the Saints wanted at least a mid-first round pick. Seems a deal. I would expect Cleveland to eventually package their picks for Jimmy G so the Patriots wind up with higher picks in the end.

Ealy and Cooks. Interesting day for the Patriots, to put it mildly.

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by PatsFan :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 9:16pm

On the other hand, if NE does trade Garopollo that may be able to restock those lost picks.

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by Purds :: Fri, 03/10/2017 - 11:06pm

I can't say that I know that much about Cook. DVOA stats look good, but not really 1st round pick good. But then again, he's only 23. Those who have watched him, what do you think of the trade?

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by bobrulz :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:59am

He's undoubtedly talented, and still very young, as you noted. But most importantly, he's going to the Patriots, and we just have to accept that nobody knows how a player is going to fit on the Patriots or how Belichick is going to use him or if they're just going to take off and become superstars. They're totally unlike any franchise in just about every way, and the only predictable thing about them is that they're going to be great every season.

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by Purds :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 4:28pm

No doubt they are great at making players very good. However, I should've phrased my question differently. Is Cook a good enough player that he would've caused someone else to spend a first round pick? Did it require a 1st rounder to get him? I just haven't heard much about him, and I would like to flatter myself to think I am at least aware of all the skills guys who would command a 1st round pick.

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by JohnxMorgan :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:27pm

Phrasing it as "first round pick" might be a bit misleading, in this case. The projected value of a player plummets precipitously from the first overall pick to even midway through the first round, and so, in terms of value, 32nd overall exists in a relatively flat band of expected values from the very late first into the mid second round.

Better said: The drop from first overall to tenth overall is about 15 AV. The drop from 20th overall to 211th overall, is also about 15 AV. (This info courtesy Chase Stuart and can be found at Football Perspective.)

So, Cooks, who is both not-a-bust and a borderline star, and is playing on a rookie contract with a microscopic 1.5 mil cap hit, is certainly worth the 32nd overall pick. After this season, he's not likely to be worth a ton in surplus value, because he will be a free agent. I don't know if another team would have traded a first round pick, but, really, no other team had a less valuable first round pick, so that's not quite a fair comparison.

For a Super Bowl winning team with an ancient quarterback, this is a slam dunk. For a team with a pretty good cap situation, in the midst of a (probably small) title window, which needed a wide receiver, it's a 360 windmill boom shakalaka. Factor in the scheme fit, Cook's star potential, and that the Patriots still have seven draft picks, and it's whatever Marvin Wiliams did to Bismack Biyombo yesterday.

I've basically stopped hating the Pats for being so damned smart. It's honestly fascinating.

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by Patsbay :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 8:08pm

Note that Cooks is entering the fourth year of his rookie deal but it's not really the last year. He has one of those contracts where the team has a fifth year option.

"Cooks is under contract for 2017 at the bargain rate of $1.56 million, with the Patriots now holding a fifth-year option for about $8.5 million in 2018."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18878699/new-england-patriots-trade-n...

I suspect this deal appeals greatly to Belichick in terms of value. Assuming Cooks plays at a high level, Belichick gets a great deal in the first year and a not-great-but-still-good deal in the second year (remember Pryor just signed a "disappointing" one-year deal with Washington for $8M). Drafting a high-level player is an even better value since you get them cheap for the whole rookie deal, but then you have all the uncertainty of evaluating someone based exclusively on how they played in college. He can evaluate Cooks based on three years of playing in the NFL.

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by T-Vector :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:22am

let's give a small hand to the Saints. They rarely do this good a job on gaining draft picks. This is a deep draft and the Saints are bereft of talent on defense. Two more high picks in this draft for a WR seems like a smart move to me.

too bad they will probably draft garbage.

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by PirateFreedom :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 7:06am

nobody hits on every pick, the only reliable long term strategy is volume.

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by MarkV :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 2:24pm

considering the saints are perpetually broke on salary cap and moving backwards... it does seem like a really smart move. Their offense can't push the window, and brees may very well head out next year.

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by BJR :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 5:23pm

Michael Thomas had a phenomenal rookie season, which helps their decision. Getting something for Cooks now whilst Thomas is still early in his rookie contract really allows them to devote resources elsewhere, so yeah, smart.

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by billprudden :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 8:51am

I got $20 that says Terrell Pryor plays at least 150 snaps at QB (2.5 games) for Washington.

Who wants the bet?

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by jtr :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 9:08am

I'll take the under. They're paying Cousins way too much money to bench him, even if he struggles.

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by billprudden :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 9:55am

Done!

Shoot me an email at billprudden@hotmail.com for contact info. Looks like the last day of next season is New Year's Eve, so one of us will have an extra $20 to celebrate with.

You know, if TP is any good at QB, Washington could just franchise him in '18... heck, maybe '19 too...

Bill

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 8:59am

What do people make of Terrelle Pryor leaving the Browns for 1yr/$8mm.

Seems to me like Cleveland needs every bit of talent they can get at this stage. Talk about handicapping your coach.

(While $8mm would have made Pryor a top 20 earner, to pay him it for 1-yr with that much cap space available doesn't seem like it would have been a longterm disaster. If you get the team back ontrack you can begin to attract decent free agents)

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by T-Vector :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 3:22pm

The Browns have Saunders as their WR Coach. If he doesn't want Pryor, then I will trust him. Pryor was always a ego trip, I bet he wasn't willing to play for a lousy team. He got out into the adult world and found he wasn't a hot commodity.

Quick way to hurt your career. Refuse to do any other position for five years, end up on the worst team in football. Finally concede and use your talents elsewhere. Then end up a talented but limited and inexperienced WR at age 28.

The word for this is hubris, and Pryor has to live with it.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 12:25am

On paper replacing him with Kenny Britt looks like a wash - similar stats with similar poor surrounding talent on offense - but then again in the same way replacing TJ Ward with Donte Whitner was supposed to be a wash and ended up being a big downgrade.

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by bobrulz :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 8:17am

I think the problem here though is that the Browns have enough cap space to easily have both of them on their team.

I too find it puzzling that the Browns couldn't outbid Washington considering their cap space. Even if they don't think that Pryor is a long-term option at wide receiver, I think that potential would be worth $8 million on a one year contract.

Of course, there's also the possibility that Pryor just didn't want to be in Cleveland, period.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 9:40am

It actually sounds like he overestimated his value. Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer reports that Cleveland offered Pryor a four-year $32m contract, but Pryor wanted more ($13m per year, according to the report!) so they signed Britt instead. Then all Pryor could get from anybody else was a one-year deal for the same average value as Cleveland had offered him.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 11:58am

Looking at Spotrac and contract averages, I'd have to take the claims of that he believed he was worth $13m with a pinch of salt. That would have put him in the top 10 above Larry Fitzgerald who earns $11m, Emmanuel Sanders and Jeremy Maclin.

I'm sure his agent intended to set the bar high but that sounds like poor negotiation. I guess that he's capable of being a wildcat QB might have given the impression he was more valuable.

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by billprudden :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 1:01pm

Sir -

It could have been some version of "if you want me to play in CLE, void of QBs, that'll cost _____, while a team with better options might only have to pay me _____".

Given how much progress he has made at the WR position in a very short time, it is possible that he and his agent think year-to-year with continued improvement is the way to maximize earnings.

I'd also be curious to know how much of the CLE deal was guaranteed, even through this August...

Bill

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by BJR :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 10:47am

Britt's 2016 is really impressive in the context of the Ram's abysmal offense. Putting up over 1000 yards with comfortably positive DVOA and DYAR in that environment is a serious achievement. He's had his issues in the past, but he's a very talented player.

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 10:45am

Nothing specific about any interest in Mangold yet, which kind of surprises me. Maybe retirement is the preferred option if he is being asked to significantly climb down from the 9 million he was scheduled to make for the Jets.

Cordaelle Patterson is kind of interesting, not because of anything he's shown as a receiver, but because his value is so tied to a play, the kickoff, that the league wants to get rid of. Too bad for him, but that may be why he days he'd be willing to play running back.

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by billprudden :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 10:59am

Morning sir -

I have been similarly confused by the lack of interest in Patterson. I thought every OC wanted at least one "matchup" weapon, somewhere along the lines of Tavon Austin, Devin Hester, Percy Harvin, Sproles, whatever.

It makes me wonder if that matchup guy now weighs 250 pounds and runs a 4.55?

Bill

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 11:18am

Well, he just has never done enough as a receiver to make a big investment in him on that basis; last year was the 1st where he even appeared functional in that role. 15 years ago, before they started to try to make kickoff returns extinct, he would have had a lot more value. Its pretty remarkable hes had as many high leverage kick returns, in the current environment.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 1:34pm

I'd actually expand that to "Patterson is utterly awful as a receiver"; he can't run routes, never learned the route tree, and may have been born without hands based on his ability to bring a ball in. The thing I like best about him leaving the Vikings is I no longer have to hear Vikings fans talk themselves into it being "the year Patterson turns it on" during preseason. He's like a poor man's Tavon Austin, both in ability and paycheck.

Nobody is intrigued by Patterson because, like you said, he's good at kickoffs, which are far less important than they used to be. People know Patterson because he gets a couple really exciting highlights every year, but those are typically the only things of any value whatsoever he does.

I'm putting my money on him getting signed by Washington, so they replace Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon with Pryor and Patterson.

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 11:16am

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by jtr :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 11:16am

I think the limited success of Austin (looks decent by traditional stats but lousy by efficiency measures), recent Harvin, recent Patterson, and Hester (never really found a role on offense) has made OC's wary of screen-and-end-around specialists. It's just too easy for a defense to stop a WR who basically only gets the ball right around the LOS. I think Sproles is a bit of a different case, since he's more of a RB than WR and it's harder to cover short routes out of the backfield than it is off the line.

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by theslothook :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 2:08pm

Sproles' had the kind of awareness and understanding of route concepts that the guys above simply don't have. They are basically satellite players who use speed and elusiveness along with creative playcalling to be effective. In other words, they are gadget pieces. Its debatable if gadget pieces are worth more than a low end roster spot.

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by MarkV :: Sat, 03/11/2017 - 2:28pm

when that type of player can actually run routes, we call him Julian Edelman.

Who is really good, and sometimes breaks games wide open. But he also doesn't have the skillset of #1 WRs.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 2:21pm

The Raiders have picked up Cordarelle Patterson on a 2-year deal. Obviously they already have Cooper and Crabtree so maybe he becomes a decent distraction at #3. He's an upgrade at returns for them.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 2:21pm

The Raiders have picked up Cordarelle Patterson on a 2-year deal. Obviously they already have Cooper and Crabtree so maybe he becomes a decent distraction at #3. He's an upgrade at returns for them.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 12:26am

so the Steelers literally had the Pats offense kick the crap out of them twice this season, abusing the pitiful zone corner and dumbass safety tandems they trot out. (we'll ignore for now putting the slowest defender on the team on a fast slot WR over and over too)

what do they do in response---- when the pats trade cheap for another great speedy WR?

literally nothing other than lose their 2nd best blitzer.

yeh, we'll beat em next year. keep thinking that Omar.

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by jtr :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 8:43pm

They drafted two DBs in the first two rounds last year and both guys showed signs of improvement during the season; the secondary should improve this year just due to Burns and Davis continuing to develop. Plus I imagine we're about to see another very defense-heavy draft from the Steelers considering they're pretty well set at every offensive position except maybe TE.

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by mehllageman56 :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 4:43pm

Also think Javon Hargrave will break out next year, and be a pass rushing interior terror. This is a great draft for cornerbacks, safeties and pass rushers, not so much for offense.

Also, remember that Brady is 40 or will be soon. He will fall apart soon, and I think Garappolo's ceiling is Danny White, great for winning divisions, bad for championship games. Read Matt Waldman's article on him before he was drafted, and you'll be feeling more optimistic, Tomlin.

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by CaffeineMan :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 4:22pm

I'll be fascinated to see how Jimmy G does, wherever he ends up. Waldman's premise seems to be that, in general, how a player responds in college to pressure is how he will respond his whole career. He made Jimmy G the prime example of this theory. I don't think he's got enough data to really back that up. I think much more can be taught than people think, which is one way Belichick succeeds.

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/05/qb-jimmy-garoppolo-knockout/

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by jtr :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 4:35pm

I don't know that there's much evidence that Belichick makes QBs better. Obviously one Hall of Famer has developed under him, but besides that the pickings are very slim. Based on Hoyer, Mallett, Cassel, etc. I don't think there's much reason to believe that Patriots magic rubs off on Belichick's backup QBs.

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by CaffeineMan :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 5:47pm

By using the term "magic", you're missing the point. My point is that there is no magic. It's just teaching. Coaching is some mix of teacher/schemer/scout/motivator. I think teaching is an under rated aspect of NFL coaching in general. And I think Waldman's wrong in identifying that aspect of QB play as essentially being unable to be taught. Wouldn't matter if he picked a Pats QB as an example or not. It's just that playing QB for Belichick gives him a good chance to learn as much as possible (not saying that's not true of other coaches). I think when it comes to his backup QB's, what he's set up with the Pats has done a good job of making chicken salad out of chicken feed. Not claiming he magically turns backups into starters. If the Pats QB's don't work as an example for you, try this: Polian, as bitter a competitor as there was in his day, described the Pats DB's as the best coached in the league and said they illustrated the best trail technique he'd ever seen. I don't believe in magic, but I do believe teaching is under rated and Belichick is better at it than most coaches in the league.

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by tuluse :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 5:52pm

If it was teaching, wouldn't you expect the results to transfer when players left the team?

Patriot's players almost all play much worse when they leave.

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by theslothook :: Thu, 03/16/2017 - 3:48am

Yea that was my view. The magic seems to be getting them to work within the scheme and construct of the roster. This matches the coaches as well - though one could argue Peas and Crennel have done ok since they left Foxborough.

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by jtr :: Thu, 03/16/2017 - 10:24am

Exactly. The genius of Belichick is that he fits his scheme to his players, while most of the rest of the coaches in the league try to fit the players into their own scheme. He's able to get players with odd skill sets on the cheap and then find useful roles for them rather than start with a set of roles and then try to find the right players for them.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 4:34pm

so what if Brady falls apart soon? the Steelers have nothing behind BigBen at QB either.

both teams should be in a win-now window.

Pats acting like it, Steelers acting like it's just another season.

Curiously, nobody signing with the Steelers even when they do come in and visit. Guess they are seeing through the "he's a players coach. everybody loves it here" crap.

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by dbostedo :: Thu, 03/16/2017 - 10:51am

Assuming "players not signing after a visit" equals "it must be that they saw through the perceived narrative about the coach" is an enormous leap of the Bayless-ian type.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 03/19/2017 - 10:49am

Ignoring that "he's a player's coach" has literally been Tomlin's #1 resume line since he got started.... Ignoring they have enough $ to throw at at least 1 elite-level FA

It's going so well that Roethlisberger is threatening retirement publicly already.

Nothing to worry about. We do what we do!

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by big10freak :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 2:36pm

TJ Lang to the Lions.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 9:00pm

I've never been a fan of spending high draft picks or big free agent money on guards, but if Lang is healthy, at least he'll probably work out better than Laken Tomlinson has.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 10:11pm

Lang is still pretty good. He's more pass blocker than run blocker, which is unusual for a RG. He also has a bit of the Suh mean streak in him without the stupidity. He will definitely make the Lions OL better.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 3:15pm

Packers double down on TE position, signing Lance Kendricks. Kendricks is a Milwaukee native and played for Wisconsin. Still awaiting contract terms.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 3:51pm

It's like London buses ... wait five years to make a free agent signing then two come along at the same position ...

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by jackiel :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 10:53pm

If you're talking about Timmons covering Hill in the KC game, that may have been the biggest indictment of Alex Smith's career. How you manage to avoid throwing the ball to one of the fastest humans on earth when he's covered down the field by a linebacker is a fireable offense for either the coach, the QB, or both. Such incompetence shouldn't be tolerated. I could care less about Reid's and smith's other qualities.

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by PatsFan :: Sun, 03/12/2017 - 11:54pm

I guess it's a case of overrating your team's own guys, but I'm surprised Hightower hasn't signed a contract anywhere. I can only guess the market for his services is rather lower than what he and his agent were expecting.

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by theslothook :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 2:30am

I'm curious, after the shocking trade of Collins and the subsequent success that followed, are you so certain hightower really is that special? I mean, could he not be reasonably replaced with some draft pick or in house solution?

I thought the chandler Jones trade was horrible and they still survive.d

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by theslothook :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 2:30am

I'm curious, after the shocking trade of Collins and the subsequent success that followed, are you so certain hightower really is that special? I mean, could he not be reasonably replaced with some draft pick or in house solution?

I thought the chandler Jones trade was horrible and they still survived

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 4:09am

Maybe he's still negotiating with the movie guys over his salary for the Police Academy films? ;-)

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by Athelas :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 9:23pm

Mike Reiss had an interesting article on how other teams might not see him as a fit for their schemes.

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by jtr :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 10:59am

I took a look at that, he mentions that the NFL sees most of Hightower's value as coming on blitzes. His free agent visits to NYJ, TEN, and PIT certainly support that theory, as Bowles, Lebeau, and Lebeau Lite (Keith Butler) all love to bring pressure from the LB level.

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by jtr :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 10:55am

He seems to have made a bit of a late start to his team visits. I would guess he was willing to be patient at the start, hoping NE would offer him what he wanted. Once it became clear that NE wasn't going to knock his socks off, he started shopping around for a better offer.

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by CaffeineMan :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 12:12pm

He knew NE was not going to knock his socks off (I've read 10M/yr, he wants 12M/yr, approx.) He didn't get signed in the first phase, where players get signed without visits because their value/fit is known to be high. So, he's on to the team visits. I think that phase is the same as the other free agents out there where value/fit is not obvious. The only thing that may be different with Hightower is that I've heard he may be willing to bring an offer back to NE to see if they'll match.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 03/13/2017 - 12:31pm

With Foles signing with the Eagles, Chase Daniel sees the writing on the wall, and knows he needs to find a new gig, so asks for his release. And what a gig it has been. 8 years, 19 million in earnings, on a total of 78 pass attempts. This is Daniel's quote....

“I believe I’m a starter in this league.”

I believe that Chase and his agent may have managed his career better than any other player in NFL history, and there may not be a close 2nd. If he can get himself another job as primary backup, behind a starter who will keep him from having to take more than few snaps this season, I say induct Ol' Chase into the Hall of Fame. Hell, he'd be more deserving than Eddie Debartolo or Jerry Jones.

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by Raiderfan :: Tue, 03/14/2017 - 7:24pm

and you are a Vikings fan? What about Bradford? Daniel may have made a lot for doing very little, but Bradford has made an absolute fortune...and not accomplishing a whole lot.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 4:28am

Will has often expressed his appreciation of Bradford's talent for making huge sums of money. However Bradford has actually had to throw passes and take hits. Career earnings $114m, career passes 2,800 ... so that's about $40,000 per pass.

Daniel on the other hand, as Will points out, has earned a fortune just by sitting in meetings and attempting less than 10 passes per year. He's on about $250,000 per pass or $90,000 per each of his 221 career snaps.

Even Jamarcus Russell only earned about $60,000 per pass.

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by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 9:31am

Bradford has actually had to play. I do think Bradford's agent is about the best there is, but after observing Bradford closely for an entire year, I'll say this: for him to finish 17th by DYAR, behind zero, and I mean ZERO protection, no running game, and middling receivers, is a significant accomplishment. Also, for a guy who has a reputation for being brittle, he took an absolute bludgeoning this year, and kept getting up. Chase has only heard rumors of such things, in 8, years, 78 attempts, and 20 million.

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by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 10:51am

Eddie Lacy signs with Seattle. Lacy should now be referred to as Feast Mode.

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by jtr :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 1:28pm

Supposedly, at one team meeting this offseason he weighed in at 267lbs. That's, uh, not how a free agent RB with a very well known history of weight problems wants to sell himself.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 2:03pm

He's fat enough there will be a Feastquake with every step.

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by PatsFan :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 1:44pm

Hightower's agency tweeted out that Hightower will be re-signing with NE.
Reported numbers are 4 years for $43.5 mil with $19 mil guaranteed.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 03/15/2017 - 2:21pm

That's not too shabby. I'd accept that given it gives him a good chance for more rings.

Noting that there was no Extra Point on FO about DeMarcus Ware's decision to retire. I surprised Denver wasn't an alternative option for Hightower although I'm not to sure what they've been up to in FA.

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by CaffeineMan :: Tue, 03/21/2017 - 3:19pm

I'm under the impression that Hightower was not considered an acccomplished pure edge rusher by the rest of the league, so not a Ware replacement. Certainly his value to the Pats is in his versatility. I believe he got more guaranteed money than every other inside LB except for Kuechly. Boy am I glad that nobody threw huge (edge rusher) money at him. Wouldn't blame him for leaving if someone did.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 03/24/2017 - 2:26pm

The Steelers offered him more $ than the Pats did.

Not much more, but more nonetheless.

Speaks volumes.

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by mehllageman56 :: Mon, 03/20/2017 - 11:54pm

So the Jets spend 6 million guaranteed on Josh McCown, and the Giants get Geno Smith for 2 million. Kaepernick still unsigned. Why do I root for the stupidity that is the New York Jets?

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by CaffeineMan :: Tue, 03/21/2017 - 3:21pm

I'm curious: would you have wanted both Geno and Kaepernick? Just one or the other? Or just hate McCown at the price?

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by mehllageman56 :: Tue, 03/21/2017 - 6:04pm

Really hate McCown at that price. There's no reason to sign him for 6 million guaranteed when the crosstown rivals give Geno 2 million with no guarantees. I would prefer Kapernick since he's had positive dyar in a year before, unlike Geno and McCown. I could still see Geno flourishing somewhere else, as long as he gets good protection; he tends to hold the ball too long.

I understand that teams are shying away from Kaepernick because of politics, but that's a foolish reason to avoid him when McCown will get Bowles and MacCagnan fired in a year. Sure, they could draft a guy in the first two picks next year, but it won't help either Bowles or Mac in that case.

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by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 03/23/2017 - 10:33am

l;ast offseason u wrote u are giovign up on nfl. maybe should ahev done that but like many, ioncluding me, u r probably addicted to nfl.

as for J. McCown with jetys, think he is good mentor guy. good locker room guy (which doesn't mean he folds towels well and is courtesy in shower abnd cleans up well after shaving in bathroom) which means goood teammate. think his best value is influence on younger quaretrbacsk c. hackenberg and b. Petty.

Thjnk G. Smith would be terrible at that. smtih more inteerstied in starting. kaepernick maybe too. McCown older fellow just looking for to play anothee year or two. seem to be happy to play for crappy teams. and maybe okay with bench role too.

do noty think Jets could do any better realistically this season than J. McCown. T. Soft Balls Bardy, A. Rodgers, D. Prescott, D. brees, etc not avbailable in trade.

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by mehllageman56 :: Thu, 03/23/2017 - 12:43pm

You are right, I am definitely addicted to watching football. Perhaps I shouldn't stick with the team I root for now, since they seem a little foolish. I can't see McCown being a great mentor at the qb position, because he's never been good playing qb. They'd be better off overpaying to get Chad Pennington to coach the position. That's what I would do.

Perhaps Kaepernick wants way more money; he's definitely a better player than McCown. I'm sure Geno shouldn't have stayed with the Jets, he needed to move on. He would have been better off going to another team, one with a good offensive line. If Eli gets killed behind that line, he might get injured as well.

Your Raiders may benefit from signing Kaep as a back-up; they could have used him in the playoffs last year. Especially if they're playing in Las Vegas and not the Bay Area.

Heres a link to today's Over the Cap article about the insanity of teams regarding the qb position: http://overthecap.com/strange-decisions-made-quarterbacks