Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 7 Open Game Discussion

Use this thread to discuss all of Week 7's games, from the Chiefs-Raiders Thursday night tilt, to the Falcons-Patriots Super Bowl rematch on Sunday night, to Washington's visit to Philadelphia on Monday Night Football.


by TimK :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 8:45pm

I’m pretty sure if a defender gave the little grab/shove move that Cooper did for the TD on a WR inside then the flag wouldn’t have been picked up. Hard to play defence.

by El Muneco :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:16pm

In retrospect, it was basically a message call, and the message was "We pretty much aren't calling PI tonight". Push-offs, face-guarding, beat the ball to the receiver - it's all good, for tonight only. The players are just going out and playing, and both sides have benefited already. As long as they stay consistent and don't change their tune at a crucial point, I'm perfectly fine with the idea.

by barf :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:08pm

This is one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. I'm a Chiefs fan, but it was bad for both teams. Phantom calls and non-calls. Receivers just shoving defenders out of the way to get space and no flags most of the time. Not saying KC deserved to win, but it was pretty obvious OPI wasn't called on Oakland a couple of times when it should have been. And I'm not even referring to the Cooper/Mitchell non-call for his first TD. I thought it was OPI, but I can see the argument both ways.

That being said, if you can't get pressure on the QB when you know he has to throw the ball inside 2 minutes, and you have the lead, you don't deserve to win. 3 really bad defensive games in a row for KC, they were pretty fortunate against Houston they had built up a big lead and won that one. Steelers and Raiders were just bad D. I don't like the trend.

by ChrisS :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:28pm

I was amazed at how unaggresive the Chiefs pass rush was, it sure made it easy on Carr.

by BJR :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:53pm

Given they barely laid a scratch on Carr all night it was disappointing how conservative the Chiefs were in their final offensive possession.

by RickD :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 8:58pm

Apparently Cooper read Kacsmar's article comparing him to Michael Clayton.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:01pm

Why does CBS have the field mic turned up so loud? I'm having trouble understanding Romo half the time

by RickD :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:13pm

Raiders bailed out by phantom Hands to the Face penalty.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:26pm

Too many hands on the field lol

by ChrisLong :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:24pm

Huge blitz pickup by Kareem Hunt on the deep TD to Tyreek Hill. What an incredible, complete player.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:37pm

That's the first time I've EVER seen two penalties both enforced. That outcome seems fairer than offsetting penalties.

by ChrisS :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:34pm

I agree on both points. Although the original roughing penalty seemed a bit marginal and the reaction by the raiders lineman seemed way worse.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 9:39pm

"That wasn't a great route conceptually, it shouldn't be rewarded" HAHAHAAH

It totally was a penalty though, the defender didn't even try getting his head around

by Cythammer :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:33pm

LOL at that long Chiefs TD. Funny how that keeps happening this season. Last week with the Steelers, as the announcers mentioned, and something like that occurred in an Eagles game a few weeks ago too.

by Will Allen :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:41pm

Fer' the luv of Night Train Lane, that is the most godawfully stupid play by a defensive back imaginable......


by RickD :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:25pm

Makes the game enjoyable if you don't have a dog in the fight.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:22pm

This is one of the best played Thursday games I can remember

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:26pm

I don't like that punt call on 4th and 3 with 4 mins left. Getting three yards seems more likely than stopping the Chiefs offense

by Cythammer :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:34pm

The call I'm wondering about is the Chiefs punting on the drive before that. They were about 10 yards away from field goal range and a two-score lead.

by RickD :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:33pm

Raiders need to learn that, when you need a TD and the clock is ticking, you shouldn't run 20 yards across the field to get five yards of field position.

by xydux :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:36pm

Geez, Cooper started lighting it up for tonight. He more than doubled his yardage and touchdown totals with this game.

by xydux :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:37pm


New observation: Oakland could really use those two missed field goals right about now. (They could really use just one.)

by Anger...rising :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:50pm

Cook bobbled the ball when he landed and didn't secure it until after he'd slid across the goal line.

by Cythammer :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:52pm

Crazy finish. Only thing that can make it wilder is if the XP is run back for two.

by rosmith51 :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:55pm

Offensive penalty, clock running, final two minutes (Crabtree offensive PI in endzone)

Why no ten second run-off ending the game?

by Cythammer :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:57pm

I was wondering that, I thought that was what the rule was. Maybe not?

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:07am

Wondering about that too. Prretty convinced the refs gave away this game to the Raiders, starting with Cooper's clear push-off on his first TD.

by nat :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:12am

In a two year old rule book, and I guess in the newest one, they list the kinds of fouls that get a run off of ten seconds. OPI isn't one of them. Why? Because the clock runoff is to keep teams from committing intentional fouls as extra timeouts. OPI doesn't do that, since an incomplete pass also stops the clock.

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 11:02pm

I can think of plenty of cases in which OPI can be used to get an extra timeout. Stop a game-ending INT, for instance.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sat, 10/21/2017 - 8:09am

There was no running clock in that situation, so there would be no 10 second runoff no matter what the foul was.

by LionInAZ :: Sat, 10/21/2017 - 11:54pm

No running clock on a pass play that resulted in an OPI? Good trick.

In any case, a defensive penalty gives the offense an extra try if the clock has run out. I don't understand how a deliberate foul like OPI doesn't invoke the clock runoff like other deliberate offense penalties.

by xydux :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:05am

Because the runoff is only triggered if the clock would have continued to run as a result of the play. Intentionally committing a false start to stop the clock would trigger it, but OPI would not.

Similarly, I suspect that offensive fouls do not extend the game if the clock is at zero; didn't Baltimore win a game last year by holding on a punt and letting the clock run out?

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:07am

"No running clock on a pass play that resulted in an OPI? Good trick."

The clock stops when a receiver goes out of bounds or for a TD.

The point of the ten-second run-off is to keep an offense from committing penalties to stop the clock. Penalties like false start that are easy to commit quickly.

I didn't understand why they had to run off 10 seconds just because officials wrongly signaled a TD. Seems unfair to the offense. And if there had been less than 10 seconds on the clock? Game over, even if 9 seconds is plenty of time to spike the ball.

by Jerry :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:46am

If they didn't call a touchdown, the clock would, of course, keep running, and the offense would have to get everyone to the line in a legal formation, set, and then snap and spike the ball. It can be done in less than ten seconds, but that's far from guaranteed. Incorrectly stopping the clock without any runoff is definitely unfair to the defense.

And if football people think that a 10-second runoff is too much, they can certainly change it.

by xydux :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:47pm

If it's not a touchdown, it's an incomplete pass and the clock stops anyway. A runoff would therefore be inappropriate in that situation.

by Jerry :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 5:22am

In this case, we're talking about a runner who they decide was stopped short of the goal line, so the clock wouldn't have stopped.

by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 10/19/2017 - 11:59pm

Rule changes? I dunno that's a good point

by xydux :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:01am

I thought that the runoff only occurred on a play where the clock would have continued to run. Is that my mistake?

by Cythammer :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:01am

Okay, at least according to this site the runoff rule only applies on certain penalties, those for which the offense could gain an advantage if there was no runoff: http://www.footballzebras.com/2017/09/07/10-second-runoff-expands-one-mi...

by rosmith51 :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:13am

Ah. Okay. Makes sense. The rule is to punish inappropriate clock stoppages, not penalties in general.

by Dr. Mooch :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:08am

Pre-snap penalties result in a runoff. OPI in the end zone does not.

Section 7 Actions to Conserve Time
Article 1A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the
following acts:
(a) a foul by either team that prevents the snap (i.e., false start, encroachment, etc.)
(b) intentional grounding;
(c) an illegal forward pass thrown from beyond the line of scrimmage;
(d) throwing a backward pass out of bounds;
(e) spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except after a touchdown; or
(f) any other intentional foul that causes the clock to stop.

by t.d. :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:03am

I don't mind these Thursday games; probably the second or third time they've produced the game of the week (this might've been the game of the year, so far)

by dmstorm22 :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:46am

Thursday Night games have always been just as good as any other game.

What's changed is since CBS (and now NBC) have taken over these games they demand getting more quality matchups.

in the NFL Network days they were given terrible matchups that usually would've been hidden at 1PM on Sunday when no one would've realized how bad the games were.

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:11am

I would be surprised if Marshawn did not get a suspension for his penalty -- coming off the sideline and then shoving an official. Good excuse to go back into retirement. Minus a fine, of course.

by Will Allen :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:42am

Yeah they really almost have to sit him down for at least one game, maybe even two, since he combined running on to the field to get into a fight, with very deliberate (he grabbed the zebra's shirt and twisted it, for cryin' out loud!) contact with a ref.

by barf :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 12:13pm

That's the kind of thing that gets a guy released from most teams. Lucky he's playing for the Raiders. What a boneheaded move, apparently he's friends with Peters and was trying to help him, although that hasn't been confirmed yet.

by greybeard :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 6:13pm

They are cousins to best of my knowledge.

by greybeard :: Fri, 10/20/2017 - 6:15pm

I was wrong.


"Lynch and Peters consider each other cousins, though they are not related by blood or marriage. The two have been close since Peters was young. Peters, like Lynch, is from Oakland and played at the University of Washington while Lynch played with the Seahawks. "

by joe football :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 12:31pm

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 1:31pm

How many bobbles does a person get for a fair catch off a punt Ted Ginn has a ball bounce off his hands, tries to catch again and it goes to the side, hits his hands a third time and a Packers player tackles him, and it's called a penalty for catch interference.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 1:46pm

Cleveland challenges a catch.
I actually think it was a catch and fumble.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 1:47pm

I'm watching the Jets-Dolphins game. It's hard to figure out which team I rooting for less.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 1:49pm

Bears up on Panthers entirely due to a couple of huge defensive returns. One was a backward pass dropped by the receiver, the other was a tipped pass that went way up in the air. In both cases the defender who eventually returned the ball was way behind the play initially. Pretty fluky stuff, but should hopefully result in a more competitive game than anticipated.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:01pm

Carolina has had more than 80% of possession time so far... and are down by 11.

by Tim R :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:10pm

There are either a lot more cardinal fans in the uk than i expected or people really dont like the rams.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:49pm

The Panthers are doing an absolutely amazing job of holding onto the ball without actually scoring much. They just had a nearly 7-minute drive that resulted in nothing after a failed fourth down rush by Newton at about the Bears 20.

by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:58pm

First missed offensive snap in Joe Thomas' 11 years...

Sure enough, Cody Kessler comes in after Kizer's 2nd INT and Dick LeBeau didn't spend any of the week preparing for him, looks like. Surprised that teams hadn't figured out by now to be ready for the backup, as Hue pulls Kizer at the first real struggle.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 2:58pm

Joe Thomas is down with an arm/shoulder injury.
Was he still on that 10 year no snap missed streak?
Hope it's minor, but it looked serious.

by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:02pm

He was, made it 10,363 snaps officially. Out for the game.

He has taken more vet days off this year, and to me has started to regress a bit the past 2 years, but hadn't dropped off a cliff like other LTs historically have in their early 30s.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:05pm

He's not 27 anymore, but he's still very very good.
10 years. 10 pro bowls. 10363 snaps.

by Mike B. In Va :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 5:49am

He should go in the Hall on the first ballot. It's not his fault the team he played for is a tire fire.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:00pm

Kessler is in in Cleveland.
So we have a week 1 start of Kizer with Hogan backup. Further down the season we have Hogan start. Kizer being pulled for Kessler.
The front office in Cleveland is working magic with rebuilding the oline, the defense looks ok (Peppers is out of position, but ok) and they have many draft picks. But Hue Jackson seems to be in over his head.

by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:06pm

The funny thing is, as much change as that is, if Kessler starts for however many games, it doesn't extend the infamous "starting QBs since 1999" list, since he's already started.

The QB switch trick works temporarily - Hue had Hogan and Pryor jump in from time to time last year - simply because DCs generally spend the week preparing for just one QB. As the Houston game showed, though, it does not mean that Hogan is any good when DCs actually do have means of preparing for him.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:07pm

Hogan and Kizer did this year.
And next year there will be at least one more name to it.
The Browns are turning the ship, but it's a big heavy oil tanker that was loaded with crap.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:11pm

This Panthers game is kinda incredible. Carolina just had ANOTHER six minute drive that results in nothing (after a punt from the Bears side of the field). They have a 35-10 advantage in time of possession, but are losing by an almost blowout score. I don't think I've ever seen a game quite like this before.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:26pm

Suspect they are well on their way to a strong DVOA victory!

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:35pm

That's what I've been thinking about the whole afternoon. But honestly, they probably deserve it. Carolina has completely dominated this game. The Bears are winning because of a couple huge, but likely non-predictive plays.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:08pm

New York Life.
Hey look, there's a 6th generation French woman.
I've come to think that commercials are more about showing an unrealistic idiotic unattainable decadent lifestyle than actually promoting the product.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:13pm

Exactly, like the one with the referee overexplaining things that's really an ad for a fancy restaurant or something

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:02pm

"Huh? I should know all about some bit-player for a team that's rarely on TV in my area?"

we're supposed to know about the commercials you are watching because you don't get Sunday Ticket?

The standard is the standard!

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:26pm

Josh McCown is destroying the Dolphins defense worse than he’s destroying the Jets’ draft position.

by mehllageman56 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:01pm

I'll take 9 more weeks of losses like that and Josh Rosen, thank you very much Mr. McCown. I'll be here all season; don't forget to tip your waitress.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:27pm

The Packers rush offense is making Saints-Packers is an unexpectedly entertaining game.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:30pm

Imagine if Adrian Peterson got traded to Green Bay instead... How do GB/AZ's lines compare, anyone?

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:40pm

Why is CBS broadcasting an NFC v. NFC game?

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:43pm

They occasionally switch games to even up the quality of games if there’s a disparity. They started doing this in 2011, I believe.

by whateverdude :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 4:09am

They started doing the AFC/NFC network switcheroo in 2014, when the latest TV contract took effect (I was surprised there wasn't more coverage of this switch):


"Basically, the NFL has the option of taking up to seven NFC games, which heretofore would have only been on Fox, and seven AFC games and basically putting them on the mirror network," McManus explained.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 3:43pm

This week in commercials:
I REALLY don't want to go to Subway now.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:10pm

Cleveland in 2 overtime drives:
1: run
2: PA pass bad protection
3: straight pass, no protection.

Ugh. Cleveland needs an OC ASAP.

by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:19pm

Many of the fans want Hue to get the axe over the bye week with Gregg Williams becoming HC, possibly beyond the interim.

That doesn't solve the problem of an OC, though...

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:00pm

Hue seems like he's a good man, but clueless.
They need an OC. Then Hue can pretend to be all the things that Tomlin is pretending to be.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:20pm

Tie ball game. McCown inside his own 20 with less than a minute left. Throws a bad interception. Dolphins player blocks in the back on the return, needlessly backing the Dolphins up behind the 30. Rooting against both teams is strangely satisfying.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:23pm

I still can’t believe that this thought mediocre Dolphins team is going to be 4-2

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:35pm

Having mediocre teams be above .500 seems to be an AFC East specialty this year.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:36pm

Apparently the key play in the Dolphins' victory was the injury to Jay Cutler. The Matt Moore-led Dolphins outscored the Jets 17-0 in the 4th.

by jonsilver :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 2:30am


by Tim R :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:37pm

Chargers with first and goal from the 4 run 4 straight runs against the Broncos d. Error.

by Ketawa :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:48pm

1st and goal from the 1 following pass interference in the end zone

by Tim R :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 4:59pm

Fair enough. Still wouldnt have called 4 runs agaisnt the Broncos.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:23pm

I love that the Bears won by two touchdowns while having 153 yards of total offense.

Mitch Tribitzky. 4 for 7 for 85 yards. All he does is win.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:39pm

I heard a stat that this was just the seventh time in NFL history a team won with seven or fewer pass attempts. And apparently, three of those teams were John Fox-coached. The most recent occurrence was, no surprise, during the Broncos Tebow season.

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:24pm

“I am comfortable,” Tomlin said of Fort. “Fort is one of those unique guys that’s third on the depth chart, he’s been here for a number of years. So, I’m comfortable with not only his ability, but his exposure and knowledge as well.”

quote earlier this week.

Fort just blew assignment to cover against jumbo set on 4th and goal.

The standard is the standard!

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:20pm

Gasp! A player made a mistake you say? That's obviously bad coaching! And right after Tomlin promised we'd see perfection from him no less!

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:21pm

whoosh. right over your head, as usual.

The standard is the standard!

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:35pm

How about you explain what I'm missing?

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:39pm

you said "a mistake"

it's the 3rd time this season he's made THE SAME FARKING MISTAKE.

you might know this if you spent more time watching games than trolling people you don't like or agree with.

The standard is the standard!

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:44pm

Huh? I should know all about some bit-player for a team that's rarely on TV in my area? You only mentioned the one mistake in your comment; it's hard to hit a field goal when the uprights keep moving

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:44pm

Huh? I should know all about some bit-player for a team that's rarely on TV in my area? You only mentioned the one mistake in your comment; it's hard to hit a field goal when the uprights keep moving

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:00pm

smh. you blame me for moving goalposts which I didn't even do, yet you backpedal and won't admit any error.

Fort was in for one non-ST play and blew it when I commented (check the time stamp and game log). It was the same mistake he's made over and over and the press-conference vote of confidence was in respect (partly) to that fact. The Steelers are on TV every week. It's called Sunday Ticket/etc.

And yes, if you're going to attempt to try to prove me wrong, know what the fark you're talking about. I'm not here to spoon feed you like a toddler.

The standard is the standard!

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:51pm

Hahah so you're opinionated, but you're also not willing to make much effort to explain your opinion, when asked. Your first post seemed coherent enough, talking about one specific play. But now I'm an idiot because I didn't know you were also talking about three plays I guess?

How many non-Steeler fans know what position this Hunt fellow plays, let alone the specifics of his performance that you can't read on a stat sheet? You're the one with a strong opinion here, I don't know why you expect anybody else to do "research" for you, as the guy below says.

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:00pm


The standard is the standard!

by Alternator :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:04pm

I'm not a backer of TiI's hate-boner, but if you're going to criticize the guy it is rather expected that you do at least basic research. Being critical of a coach when he tries to paper over mistakes is reasonable, and that's all that TiI did this time.

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:59pm

We're talking about a 3rd string player here - if he didn't screw up regularly, or was more talented, he wouldn't be 3rd string. Tomlin saying that he's staying with him instead of going to an FA (in the middle of the season) because he trusts them isn't outlandish, or foolish.

Its the sort of stuff coaches say when they don't really have any other options.

by Alternator :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 1:08am

That's a valid criticism, but ninja presented a blatant troll and followed it up with playing the passive-aggressive little snot. TiI holds strong opinions that are easy enough to criticize normally, there's no need to go witch-hunting when he says something reasonable.

by Tim R :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:29pm

Pretty dubious roughing the passer penalty called on Ingram sacking siemian. Looked like a hard but clean hit.

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 5:58pm

#tomlinclockmanagement . the stuff of (sad) legend

but Leveon Bell has the highest yard from scrimmage of all backs with 50 games or more, so ---- (using Tomlin has 10th highest win %- therefore he's great) --- Bell is clearly the best RB to ever play the game. So we have that going for us.

The standard is the standard!

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:05pm

I couldn't see what was going on.
You got to wonder why you run the ball inside with only 12 seconds left in the half.
Throw it 2 times. But ok, you run, then be ready to call time out. Why wasn't it called with 7 secs on the clock??
Ben and Jesse James didn't seem happy going into the locker room.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:28pm

Uh oh folks we're officially at DEFCON-TOMLIN now! That means we're only one Tomlin away from LOTS MORE POSTS DETAILING HIS FAILURES BOTH REAL AND PERCEIVED! ! !

by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:23pm

nice to know I'm living rent free in your head and you can't even begin to debate the actual substance of the comment.

troll harder, broseph

The standard is the standard!

by BJR :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:07pm

Seattle went for it on 4th & 1 at the goal-line. Pass hit Jimmy Graham in the chest and he dropped it. They then forced an immediate punt and got the ball back at midfield, and lost a fumble on the next play. Half time crew kill Carroll for going for it, when everything was correct other than the execution.

by TimK :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 6:46pm

Presumably DVOA doesn’t penalise that 4th down interception by Siemian too much - it gained about 20 yards of field position compared to an incompletion...

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:14pm

Chargers almost all the way back to .500 after an 0-4 start. They have a chance to be contenders for a wild card spot even after that terrible beginning.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:15pm


Never seen such a fake punt. Protector throws a strike to Heyward-Bey.
Total mess up by the Bengals to leave the gunners uncovered. Moronic stuff.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:16pm

That Steelers fake punt was awesome, though I don't think it was worth the risk. With the way the Bengals offense has been playing, giving them a short field was maybe the only way Cincinnati was going to come back.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:27pm

it wont go unpunished when you leave the gunners wide open like that though

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:17pm

The play may well have been called on the field after the formation was spotted.

by Mike B. In Va :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 5:56am

The execution was fantastic, though.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:24pm

It would be really cool if they started having the Super Bowl in non-NFL cities. There are dozens of college towns with the infrastructure to hold such an event. Just giving those towns the hope can only be a good thing for the NFL. I'm seeing lots of positives and not many negatives

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:32pm

They will be in LA soon enough! *Zingg!!!*

quite some new stadiums built in the NFL. Falcons, LA, Min. But true, I wouldn't mind it be in a college stadium. But I also think the NFL would give it to a city/owner in the league. Why give it to whatever town USA, if you can boost the economy of an NFL city.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 7:45pm

I wonder if they would ever consider having it in London.

by Alternator :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:07pm

A Super Bowl that's playing on in Seattle at 1 PM - incredibly early for the big game - is still 9 PM in London. The times just don't work out.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:18pm

The NFL uses the Super Bowl as a reward for cities that are pressured to pay for stadiums.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:33pm

Yes, New England. You obviously need to set off MORE fireworks. Who don't love seeing their favorite athletes with their breathing impaired

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:16pm

Seems to be fog now. Glad for the field level camera view now.

by Theo :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 8:52pm

Chargers - Broncos.
Best. Punt. Ever.
I want FO to do an extended piece on this; it's a thing of beauty and of art.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:02pm

What do people think about Falcons going for it on 4th and 7 near midfield? Good call? Interesting call?

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:06pm

Its ballsy.

4th and 2-3 and I'd be all for it - you're in pretty much no mans land there.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:19pm

I’m all for it. “Who dares, wins”, as the SAS says. You have to take some chances to maximize your chances of beating the champs.

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:15pm

Since roughing the passer comes after the throw I'm not sure it negate an interception.

by aces4me :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:18pm

I wasnt sure either but I guess the refs are.

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:22pm

Personal fouls against the defense during a play always negate turnovers.

by Cheesehead_Canuck :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:16pm

“Roughing the passer”
Hitting Tom Brady

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:20pm

Both defenders put their helmet on his helmet. That gets called for every quarterback in the NFL every single time.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:57pm

I don't know why these guys can't train themselves to keep their eyes up. On the 2nd one, if the defender just keeps his chin up, he could have run right through Brady with a legal hit.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:13pm

Yea that was simply a dumb play. He could have easily hit him with his shoulder and he wouldn’t have been penalized. This is the 2nd week in a row the Falcons roughed the passer and lost a key INT, as the announcers mentioned.

by aces4me :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 9:49pm

Quinn is coaching like a man in a panic or pissed out of his mind.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:15pm

Goddamn this smoke from the fireworks is really annoying.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:18pm

I would bet that's fog or mist? Accuweather says 99% humidity at the stadium now.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:26pm

Confirmed by announcers: fog. Soon, they'll need to abandon traditional master shot in these conditions and switch to the overhead camera just above the field...

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:22pm

Watching this season it seems like a lot of teams are just poorly coached/prepared some weeks. A lot of games have been really one sided and not that interesting. Surprisingly the best game so far was the Chiefs/Raiders Thursday game.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:25pm

To be fair, if the Falcons could make a field goal, and had not comitted that dumb roughing the passer penalty, this would be a tight game.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:23pm

It’s kind of infuriating to see two former Detroit Lions castoffs, Kyle Van Noy and Johnson Bademosi play well for the Patriots. Van Noy was totally miscast in a 4-3 defense, and I wasn’t sad to see him go. However, I always thought Bademosi showed some promise in his limited playing time, and I wanted to see the Lions hold on to him.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:30pm

If it makes you feel any better, even the Patriots make mistakes of this sort. Kony Ealy has been great for the Jets after getting let go by NE before this season started (that after they traded a third-round pick for him).

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:37pm

The whole thing with that is the jets basically just want him to pass rush - the Patriots wanted him to pass rush, cover, and set the edge - and he just wanted to pass rush.

Sometimes guys aren't a good fit

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:38pm

The whole thing with that is the jets basically just want him to pass rush - the Patriots wanted him to pass rush, cover, and set the edge - and he just wanted to pass rush.

Sometimes guys aren't a good fit

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:28pm

This is awesome - they just said they're going to full time madden-cam because they can't see the players from the sideline cam.

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:33pm

This is seriously the best view. I don't know why they don't do that for all broadcasts. Maybe eventually a streaming service will let you pick which camera you want to watch from.

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:40pm

You can actually see the routes that people are running and if they're before the camera pans to show where the ball is going. The game isn't interesting and the camera view is the only reason I'm still watching.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:45pm

There's no reason this shouldn't already be happening. A game like this, after all, is available free over the air over the entire country, so having an online feed with camera choice would do no harm to NBC or the NFL's bottom line in anyway.

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:56pm

Maybe we can lobby Amazon to offer more options as part of the millions they spent to carry the Thursday night games.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:46pm

When rotoworld streamed Sunday night football, this was a camera view you could choose. Yes, you could choose your camera view.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:29pm

The Patriots have played well, obviously, but this is just a horsesh*t perfrormance by the Falcons, in all phases. Either Ryan or his receivers are stinking the joint out, or are alternating in doing so. The Falcons defense gives away points via sheer stupidity. The Falcons kicking game has been awful. The one game this week I was looking forward to. Ugh.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:56pm

Falcons have been dreadful on 4th down tonight.

OK, Matt Ryan did convert one. Since then

- two missed FGs, one blocked, one doinked
- loss ball on downs near midfield, led to Pats TD
- failure to score from 1.

Serious question: do the Falcons' coaches know that Malcom Brown (a) is the Pats' best run stopper these days, and (b) he's injured on the sideline?

Why did they get fancy at the 1?

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:07pm

Just moronic. An o-coordinator trying to get Al and Chris to talk about him, perhaps.

by Mike B. In Va :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 6:01am

This is the 3rd Atlanta game I've seen this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if Sarkisian got fired for what he's done to this offense. Same players, crap results.

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:33pm

I just realized the Falcons are in the midst of playing four straight games against the AFC East. That's some weird scheduling.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:40pm

The fog is great, because it forces the network to show a much more interesting camera angle!

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:45pm

Now, trying to make it a 13 point game, the Falcons waste a timeout. Vince Lombardi wept.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:47pm

Hate, hate, hate the 3rd down playcall.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:49pm

Yea that was terrible. You essentially need everything to go right (or your opponent screw up) for that play to work.

by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:51pm

Ac;tally I was referring to the 4th down call. I thought the 3rd down call could have worked if Ryan makes a better throw.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:55pm

Oh, the 4th was worse. I just would have preferred a run on 3rd, because Ryan's been bad all night.

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:49pm

Throw was worse than the call - Jones had Butler beat by a good yard.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:56pm

Oh, I agree, but I was expecting Ryan to be bad; he has been all night.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:48pm

Only to have the hate exceeded by the 4th down call. Good effin'grief.

by anotherpatsfan :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:53pm

Happy about it as a Pats fan but the third/fourth down calls were dopey. ATL O Coordinator not covered in glory there...

by deus01 :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:55pm

Just having the advantage of knowing when the snap is coming should be enough to gain 1 yard with some very high success rate. A lot of teams seem to try and over complicate it.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:53pm

Make these Atlanta mutts take a bus back to Georgia, for wasting 2 hours and 20 minutes of my time!

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 10:59pm

You get such a better feel for how fast these guys play and how hard they hit with this madden cam. Ha, even runs up the middle out of I-formation are interesting. Runs are more fun to watch than passes now.

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:02pm

You can see the line play much better, as well as the pass routes.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:00pm

I felt sure the Falcons would miss Kyle Shanahan. But this is ridiculous.

They have the tools to gain yards. Freeman was rolling through the lines. Julio Jones will get open if you use him enough. The Falcons should have 13 points minimum, probably 16-20.

by Steve B :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:03pm

It's a combination of missing Shanahan and Sarkisian being a bad fit as the replacement. And anyone who didn't think there'd be a carryover effect from not only losing a SB but losing in unprecedented fashion was kidding themselves.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:08pm

I wouldn't go that far. These are professional athletes, expecting them to overcome that setback seems completely reasonable to me.

by Steve B :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:13pm

They're professional athletes, not robots.

by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:27pm

They're highly trained, not teenagers xD

by Will Allen :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:04pm

Maybe Sark is back to running up 90 dollar tabs for tequila shots at 11 AM.

by RickD :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:01pm

I love that Collinsworth only late in line discovered the existence of the Boston accent.

I guess he never saw Good Will Hunting.

by Yu Narukami :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:10pm

Some takes:

- NBC/Madden camera can still be better by showing all players on the field pre-snap.
- Weird scheduling: NE is done with NFC South after week 7 and will play five of last six games against divisional foes.
- NE switched 8 spots in the draft for Ealy... still a waste.
- Could be the Saints the most consistent team in NFC south, therefore be the favourites to win it?

by Cythammer :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:36pm

The Saints probably are favorites for the division. This site's playoff odds actually already had them as such last week. They already crushed the Panthers on the road a few weeks ago, and the Falcons are looking like one-season wonders.

by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:19pm

Ugh - they're starting to zoom in and frame and try to be creative with the camera.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 10/22/2017 - 11:24pm

I really feel like the fog is taking the Patriots communications shenanigans at Foxboro to the next level.

by BJR :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 5:43am

Any opinions on the Paul Richardson 'Fail Mary' TD?

I'm guessing by the rules the call was fine, but it felt a shame that Collins wasn't rewarded for making a great looking play.

I suppose the lesson for the defenders is: if the receiver has already got a hold of the ball, concentrate on knocking it out rather than trying to wrestle it away.

by Cloister :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 3:46pm

Once feet/body hit the ground in the end zone, play is over and it doesn't matter what happens after. If there's any chance of simultaneous possession, defender should be trying to swat the ball to the ground rather than go for INT.

by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 8:48pm

Except for the holding on to the ball all the way to the ground part

by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 8:47pm

Whenever I see Ryan Kerrigan, I can't help think "you could have been JJ Watt"

by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 10/23/2017 - 8:58pm

Washington has really good looking road unis. It's just a shame about the nickname