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08 Mar 2018

Broncos Trading Talib to Rams

The Los Angeles Rams have had the busiest offseason in recent memory, and it got even busier on Thursday evening. After agreeing to deals to move Robert Quinn and Alec Ogletree and acquire Marcus Peters, the Rams have agreed to acquire another veteran defensive back, trading a fifth-round pick to the Denver Broncos in exchange for Aqib Talib.

Talib just turned 32 in February. The five-time Pro Bowler was a first-round draft pick by Tampa Bay in 2008, and also played for New England before joining Denver and winning a Super Bowl with the Broncos. He has 10 pick-sixes in his career, needing only two more to tie Rod Woodson's all-time record of 12.

Posted by: Vincent Verhei on 08 Mar 2018

15 comments, Last at 14 Mar 2018, 5:03pm by commissionerleaf

Comments

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by justanothersteve :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 12:28am

First Peters and now Aqib Talib. It's like the Rams are crafting a defense to make Jeff Fisher proud.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 4:45am

It's comments like this that leave me hoping the mythical revised site will have a Like button on comments so that I can show my approval without having to actually comment!

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 9:06am

It's a bit risky trading for a 32-year-old corner. If this doesn't work out, the Rams are really going to feel like they shot themselves in the leg.

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by MC2 :: Sat, 03/10/2018 - 8:35am

Yeah, but it could have been worse. At least they didn't try to talk Plaxico Burress into coming out of retirement. If they had, that would have been a double shot of stupidity.

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by rageon :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 9:31am

Not a fan of this move for the Broncos. When you can sign/keep a top 10-15 corner for $11M, I think it's a no-brainer to do so.

The only way this makes sense for them is if they not only use it on a QB, but also that whoever they sign works out. I'm not sure giving $15M+ to Case Keenam is the correct answer to any question.

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by jtr :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 10:13am

This brings them from $24M in cap space to $35M, which means they can throw a gigantic pile of money in front of Cousins if they want to. It's a bit of a pyhrric victory, though, to score a QB at the expense of further hastening the decline of their defense. I think they've been kidding themselves that they're just a QB away from being one of the top teams in the league, and this just takes them further from that.

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by theslothook :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 5:07pm

Agreed, this is nowhere near the same defense that won the sb. At this point, I'm not sure they are even an average defense anymore.

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by jtr :: Sat, 03/10/2018 - 10:17am

They were the 10th DVOA defense last season even with an elite corner unit of Talib and Harris. I definitely see them somewhere around average now.

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by ChrisS :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 11:09am

I'm more in the camp of a 32 year-old corner is likely to decline steeply in a few years. But a 5th rounder is nothing, a 5%-10% chance of making a significant contribution, so for the Rams it improves their super bowl chances this season. His contract only goes through '19 so I like it even more for the Rams.

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by commissionerleaf :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 2:31pm

Apparently this is a salary dump, and I don't think Talib was overpaid, so probably a foolhardy salary dump by the Broncos. Increasingly, it appears that Elway's much vaunted magic consisted of mostly Peyton Manning being awesome and some good defenders making the leap to great at the same time.

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by rageon :: Fri, 03/09/2018 - 4:30pm

Part of it was being lucky enough to have the Bengals deny permission to interview (or was it hire?) Vance Joseph for D Coordinator. They ended up going with their fallback option -- who just happens to be a defensive genius (who also gets to usr Talib again).

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by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 03/14/2018 - 5:03pm

Absolutely correct, I forgot that the Broncos D coincided with the arrival of the best defensive coach in the NFL. The Wade effect, so to speak.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sat, 03/10/2018 - 5:11pm

You just can't please some people here. They complain the Broncos are more than a QB away from contending, then when the Broncos begin rebuilding, they complain about that too.

Not that I'm defending Elway, who has been a below average GM IMO. Just that the criticisms are so inconsistent.

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by theslothook :: Sat, 03/10/2018 - 7:00pm

I think the Elway bashing is odd. He re helped rebuild the broncos from the McDaniels fiasco, was quick to move on from Fox when his ceiling was limited, and went aggressive in free agency when they were on the precipice.

He's had plenty of flaws, sure, but how many other GM's are clearly better?

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by doktarr :: Tue, 03/13/2018 - 1:03pm

Overall I think he's been decent. Obviously the moves in his first couple years that set up the Manning years were really strong.

Things I hated:
- The way he handled the CJ Anderson free agency was just incompetent. If you're willing to match that Miami offer, then you give him the higher qualifying offer in the first place.
- The fact that the O-Line has been consistently bad for 3+ years now can't all be attributed to bad injury luck and bad coaching. At some point it traces back to management.
- Dovetailing with that, the allocation of resources to the offense is illogical right now. Having a bad QB and O-line with expensive, elite wide receivers just doesn't make sense.

All that said, releasing Talib is the right move.