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Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

On Friday, video from February surfaced from TMZ that depicts Kansas City running back Kareem Hunt in a physical altercation with a woman. The Chiefs were aware of the incident, but there were never any charges filed. The Chiefs and the NFL allegedly claim to have only seen the video on Friday for the first time.

Hours after the video was released, the Chiefs announced that the second-year running back was released.

This concludes a bad week for the NFL following the release of Reuben Foster in San Francisco (and subsequent pickup in Washington) for domestic violence at the team hotel last Saturday. The Hunt video has drawn comparisons to Ray Rice, who never played in the NFL again after video surfaced in 2014 of him punching a woman (now his wife) in an elevator. Hunt is only 23 years old. Chances are this isn't the end of the road for him, but someone will be taking a massive PR hit before he sees the field again.

Hunt has been placed on the commissioner's exempt list, meaning if another team signs him, he can't play or even attend games until a proper investigation and decision are made.He would not count against that team's 53-man roster.

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32 comments, Last at 04 Dec 2018, 5:40pm

1 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Jose21crisis // Nov 30, 2018 - 10:58pm

Another team is going to sign him. But the PR hit to that team is going to be huge. Unless they don't give a damn about it. So ... someone might want to punt away any phone close to Dan Snyder.

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2 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Jose21crisis // Nov 30, 2018 - 11:12pm

Now that I think about this, the Chiefs will probably be looking for a RB this off-season with all the mess that's happened. I wonder, if now they are in the market for Le'Veon Bell?

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3 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mash Wilson // Nov 30, 2018 - 11:25pm

It's not like this is a scrub we're talking about. For a first place team to abruptly release their young star running back three-fourths of the way through the season has to be unprecedented. Yikes.

It's easy to release the guy after it's clear he's going to be suspended the rest of the year anyway. But given his stature, it would be easy to suspend him yourself and deprive Goodell of the pleasure, and say all the right things about getting him help over the offseason and etc. So credit to the Chiefs for doing the better thing and cutting his ass. Even if the cynic in me has a hard time believing they had no idea this video existed.

I wouldn't completely rule out Hunt never playing in the NFL again. Granting that only takes one owner with no conscience and no concern for drawing ridicule and scorn from the entire civilized world (hell, come to think of it Cleveland may have already called his agent), but on the other hand, LeVeon Bell and James Conner have done a bang-up job demonstrating to the masses what knowledgeable football followers have known for years: in the NFL, running backs are fungible. It will come as no surprise if teams prove more willing to absorb a PR hit to roll the dice on Reuben Foster than on Kareem Hunt.

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27 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Richie // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:03pm

"I wouldn't completely rule out Hunt never playing in the NFL again. Granting that only takes one owner with no conscience and no concern for drawing ridicule and scorn from the entire civilized world"

I always wonder, is this guy ever allowed to have a job again? Or, is he just not allowed to work in the NFL again? And where do we draw the line on whether job is "cool" enough that a person shouldn't be allowed to hold it because he did something disgusting?

"it would be easy to suspend him yourself and deprive Goodell of the pleasure, "

The general public seems to hate Goodell, but I don't think teams and owners do. So I'm not sure they are going to do things simply to spite Goodell.

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4 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by amin purshottam // Nov 30, 2018 - 11:26pm

The league is a joke. They don’t care, the owners don’t care, until it gets really bad or they start losing money. They continue to let these idiots play. All the while a guy like Kap can’t get a job because he actually stands for something that matters. I mean Nathan Peterman is getting a try out! Seriously??? Sam Bradford sucks, the Brothel sucks, his back up sucks, Derek Anderson sucks, Brian Hoyer sucks, the list goes on but all the while Kap sits. I really hope he wins his case and sticks it to the league.
The concussion thing is also a joke. The league and owners pretend they care. Sad. My favourite sport. Such a shame.

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7 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by GwillyGecko // Dec 01, 2018 - 1:30am

kap doesnt want a nfl job. he wants publicity.

if he wanted an nfl job, he wouldve taken the job the ravens were going to give him until him and his gf compared team ownership to a slave plantation literally.

since then, teams have rightfully refused to take him seriously.

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23 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 02, 2018 - 6:10pm

Yes, they rightly don't take him seriously because of something somebody else did. Am I to take your comment seriously?

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10 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mr Shush // Dec 01, 2018 - 5:53am

To be fair, Kaepernick also sucks. Bradford, Bortles and Hoyer at least have all played something resembling competent NFL football more recently than him.

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15 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by xydux // Dec 01, 2018 - 4:34pm

Also, none of them are going to be huge distractions as backups. Bradford's only notable for getting injured a lot, Bortles is notable for sucking, and Hoyer is a career marginal starter (I call him that because he's basically better than most backups, but not as good as most starters, so he ends up bouncing around the league as a stopgap for teams that don't have a decent starter).

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30 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Scott P. // Dec 03, 2018 - 7:36pm

And yet Peterman.

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31 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by tuluse // Dec 03, 2018 - 7:38pm

Kaepernick is better than both Anderson and Peterman. So are the QBs listed above. If one was conspiratorially minded they might think the Bills played terrible QBs on purpose to make their draft pick look better by comparison.

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32 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by bravehoptoad // Dec 04, 2018 - 5:40pm

I'll give you Bradford. The rest? Puh-huh.

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5 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Cythammer // Dec 01, 2018 - 12:48am

I'm not sure the logic for why the NFL should be investigating players for off-field behaviors. That's what the civil authorities are for. The NFL is often incompetent even when it comes to running a football league, so the idea that they are going to do a good job investigating misconduct is ridiculous. The process seems to be consistently inconsistent and satisfies no one, so it doesn't even fulfill the NFL's PR goals (which are obviously the main reason for the policy to exist). We already have a criminal justice system, so I don't really see why it's a good idea for the NFL to set up their own version. None of this is directly related to Kareem Hunt specifically, but I wonder these things every time we hear the NFL is going to be investigating or has already investigated a player.

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6 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mash Wilson // Dec 01, 2018 - 1:07am

You're blurring two separate questions together there.

Is it likely the NFL (that is to say, Roger Goodell) will conduct a competent investigation and then take competent action based on his findings? Hell no. Likely as not, he'll find a way to botch it.

Is it proper for the NFL to conduct its own investigation of its employee's extremely PR-friendly criminal misconduct and act accordingly to minimize the PR damage to the enterprise? Hell yes, it is.

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21 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by MaineRaider // Dec 02, 2018 - 11:32am

The NFL has to protect its image and won't rely on the criminal justice system's vagaries to determine whether someone should be representing its brand. In 4 years of criminal defense practice I've seen worse acts of violence result in no charge, no conviction, or a fine for a minor offense; I've also seen lesser acts of violence result in jail time.

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22 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Stendhal1 // Dec 02, 2018 - 1:46pm

I agree with cythammer and MaineRaider, your point actually reinforces it. If the criminal justice system, which as cythammer states is the formal mechanism that exists precisely to implement public policy against violence, does not regard certain misconduct as sufficiently bad to warrant sanction, why should the NFL (or the NFL teams) second-guess the outcomes? To "protect the shield?" That is THE #1 myth that Roger Goodell and his supporters in the media have promulgated, to almost universal acceptance. As far as I can tell, it's not yet based on avoiding actual adverse market reaction to person who commit violence playing football -- as another poster noted, hear many complaints about Tyreek Hill lately? Rather, it's designed to perpetuate a myth that just because one is a good football player (or actor or engineer or politician or whatever), one must also be a Good Person In Every Respect. Thats not true (see, e.g., Ty Cobb or OJ Simpson) and in my humble opinion it is long past the time to reject the proposition. "Protect the shield" also is designed to advance what Roger Goodell craves: power. As I read the record, Roger Goodell likes disciplining persons, for violence or anything else. The purpose of power is power. Even as Goodell takes PR hits from time to time, he's won on this big picture -- and nobody realizes it. Every time a sportswriter writes that a particular punishment is too low, Goodell wins, because it expands the scope of his punitive powers.

Other questions that have troubled me, and I do not claim to know all the answers, are below. Many apply to other professional sports, or even beyond:

* If as MaineRaider states there are shortcomings of the criminal justice system (a legitimate point), it the NFL's job to remedy them? If so, why?
* Would the effort spent on how NFL players are disciplined by the NFL for violence be more effective if addressed to improving how the criminal justice system addresses violence, such as in the jurisdictions in which it is not treated sufficiently seriously?
* As Hunt's case apparently shows, any organization that does not have subpoena and other law enforcement powers of the government (or a civil litigant, to a lesser extent) will be hampered in discovering the facts. Isn't it better to leave investigation to the experts? Why should an institution subject itself to criticism (as the NFL gets every time) for not doing a good job when it lacks the tools to do a good job?
* As there are many ways an NFL player can violate the law (e.g., Mychal Kendricks), does the NFL have to set up a table of violations and associated punishments? Doesn't that already exist in the criminal justice system?
* What constraints should be should be put on a person's ability to earn a living, and in what circumstances? In my opinion, there can be legitimate reasons to bar a violator from a profession, position or occupation, but they are related to the nature of the offense and/or the public nature of the profession, position or occupation under the logic, "we wouldn't want a person who has done X to be in a position where doing X again in the course of his or her job will lead to bad outcomes, especially for vulnerable persons or the public at large." Examples: a person who lies or abuses trust can and often should be barred from practicing as a lawyer; a person who inflicts violence on children can and should be barred from a large set of occupations that involve working with children; in most states, persons who have violated public policy at the level of felony cannot vote; etc. In this scheme of things, where does playing professional football fit, and where does committing violence fit? Professional football players do not protect the public weal or work with clients, students or youth; they compete against other professional football players. Perhaps one can say that violence is part of the occupation, so guarding against an NFL player using violence in an inappropriate context is important.
* Related point: should the context of a person's behavior and life, and the severity of the violation, matter in assessing the appropriate sanction for a violation (as they do in criminal sentencing)?
* . Related point: should we consider the consequences of barring a person from a profession, position or occupation? For the overwhelming most part, the United States is a capitalist society in which persons are expected to earn money to acquire the necessities of survival. Accepting that, does barring someone from a profession, position or occupation present special consequences when he or she is highly competent in that profession, position or occupation? And does barrier someone help or hinder that person in making whatever changes are necessary to make sure the person does not commit the violation again, which surely is a worthy goal?
* Related point: are human beings incorrigible? If a person commits one transgression, is that dispositive and should the person forever be sanctioned -- here, talking about playing professional football? I'm sure if one thinks about it, one can come up with a list of athletes who committed transgressions early in their careers or lives but did not later.
* Some of the prior points, put in more concrete terms: was Janelle Rice well served by what happened to Ray Rice? That's not what she thought, from what I can tell.

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8 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by xydux // Dec 01, 2018 - 2:01am

I feel two ways about this.

On the one hand, they drafted Tyreek Hill, who had the same stench about him (beat his pregnant girlfriend). So that tells me that they don't really care about domestic violence and are just dealing with the PR issue. On the other hand, as Mash Wilson pointed out above, they could have just suspended him and they straight-up cut him ahead–and Hunt isn't a scrub. So if I was being charitable, I might say that Hill convinced them that he made a mistake and wouldn't do it again. If not, I'd be saying it was just for PR.

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11 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mr Shush // Dec 01, 2018 - 5:58am

It's very possible Hunt is being punished at least as much for lying to the Chiefs about the incident as for what he actually did. If Hill's actions were worse but the team believes he was honest (to them, in private) about them, that might account for the difference.

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14 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by turbohappy // Dec 01, 2018 - 1:45pm

Exactly. That is how I read their statement. They cut him for lying to their face about the incident, not for the incident itself.

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9 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Rich A // Dec 01, 2018 - 2:16am

Does this mean that he's off his rookie contract and waivers and thus could potentially sign with any team?

It might actually be better for his career earnings if his career can be revived. A big if though (haven't watched the video).

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12 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by GwillyGecko // Dec 01, 2018 - 6:36am

1)He can be claimed off of waivers via his current contract
2)If no one claims him, no one's going to sign him to a big money deal next year,
so the earliest he will see any big contract is 2020, which at best breaks even with where he was before this happened, and at this point he will make a lot less because of this, if he ever gets a big contract extension, which is a big question mark at this point, ray rice and greg hardy never recovered fully

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13 I watched the Video

by vaujot // Dec 01, 2018 - 9:36am

It’s far less violent than I thought it would be, according to the reporting. A bunch of people who move as if they’re drunk arguing and shoving. One of them is a lot stronger than the rest. As far as I can tell he hardly hurt anyone even though he clearly was upset and obviously could have hurt the woman badly. The Ray Rice situation was way worse.
I wouldn’t have fired him for this and wouldn’t mind if my team picked him up.

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16 Re: I watched the Video

by jackiel // Dec 01, 2018 - 6:52pm

Agreed. I guess the Chiefs cut him based on the kick at the end, assuming that Hunt told the team that he never touched her.

As an aside, have you any of guys actually met an NFL player? By and large, they are truly massive people. For some reason, there are women out there who feel the need to hit dudes that are literally 2x-3x their size and then act surprised when the dude retaliates and causes damage. News flash: you should refrain from making NFL players angry - especially drunk ones.

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19 Re: I watched the Video

by RevBackjoy // Dec 01, 2018 - 9:12pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVb6VHvCupw

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17 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by chris.migliaccio@gmail.com // Dec 01, 2018 - 7:36pm

Can we get an updated projection for the Chiefs RBs this week?

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18 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by ChrisLong // Dec 01, 2018 - 8:52pm

I think it’s nuts that the Chiefs cut him because of that video. He shoved her and probably not even that hard because she looks like she weighs 110 soaking wet and she didn’t go flying, and then what? He pushes somebody else who knocks her over? And then he kicks her but again with what looked like minimal effort on his part? I’m all about punishing people for domestic violence but this looks like a whole lot of nothing.

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24 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 02, 2018 - 7:02pm

I think your take is nuts. Yeah his kick didn't land solidly but it's not for a lack of trying on his part. He fucking shoved his way through a guy holding him back just to get the kick off! Also, the girl was on the ground because he put her there (indirectly maybe, he shoves a guy into her but his intentions there were unclear)(it looks like she banged her head against the wall and was slow getting up).

Also, if a professional athlete is trying to physically fight a young woman, something is seriously, seriously wrong.

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20 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by PatsFan // Dec 01, 2018 - 11:22pm

One thing that cracks me the hell up about that is that some subset of Chiefs fans have convinced themselves that NE is behind the release of the video.

Best "theory" I've heard is that Ernie Adams (BB's right-hand man) still has connections in Cleveland, which he used to get the video from the hotel and/or cops and then leaked it to TMZ.

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26 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by FlippingADollar // Dec 03, 2018 - 8:27am

Anyone who has conspiracy theories like that is just nuts.

It's possible that the cops were like "neither person is really hurt, they're both separated now, and they're both drunk". And that's it.

In the end - what bit Kareem in the butt was him lying about what happened to the Chiefs and the NFL.

I've thought long and hard about Tyreek, and, I didn't like the pick, but he's done every single thing right since he went off like a psycho. And he hasn't stepped in the wrong direction once. Even his baby's mother is back with him.

So it's not like he wasn't given a chance to come clean - and we're talking about Andy Reid here - willing to take on Mike Vick. As long as you're honest and earnest then he's willing to work with you.

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28 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Richie // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:11pm

"Even his baby's mother is back with him. "

Well that means nothing. Plenty of women go back to their boyfriends after abuse only to get abused again. Moreso when the man is the father to her baby AND is a millionaire.

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25 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Dec 02, 2018 - 7:06pm

Well, at 23 years old Hunt's made $1.2M in his year and a half in the league, assuming the Chiefs don't get some of it back for breach of contract (which is presumably why they cut him for "lying"). What are the chances getting out with his health is the best possible outcome for him?

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29 Re: Chiefs Release Kareem Hunt Following TMZ Video

by Richie // Dec 03, 2018 - 4:12pm

What are the chances that he has kept enough of that money to support himself for very long?

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