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Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

As first reported by Mike Garafolo of the NFL Network and confirmed by ESPN's Adam Schefter, the New York Giants have agreed to trade wide receiver Odell Beckham to the Cleveland Browns.

Schefter soon weighed in with the compensation:

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57 comments, Last at 18 Mar 2019, 4:05pm

1 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Aaron Schatz // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:16pm

The No. 2 receiver on the Giants' roster is now Corey Coleman.

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3 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:20pm

Eli's veteran savvy will compensate!

More soberly, I still have to believe that they are taking a qb, despite trading away their best receiver.

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2 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:17pm

Man, the Steelers played their hand like a degenerate gambler with half a liter of cheap scotch in him.

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4 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Subrata Sircar // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:46pm

While I am not a fan of the Brown exodus, the difference in the two situations is leverage. Brown was leaving one way or another, and everyone knew it. No way the Steelers could wait; once he starts holding out no one has any incentive to do anything but wait for bottom dollar. (Now, maybe the Steelers could have handled things differently before the brink, but once the situation blew up it wasn't ending well no matter who was negotiating.) OBJ did not have that same leverage over the Giants, so they got a (much) better deal.

The Giants will have a raze-to-the-ground-and-rebuild year sometime very soon, while Cleveland has already emerged. OBJ is more valuable to them than to the Giants by a long shot.

The Steelers also likely didn't want to deal Brown to a division rival (and Cleveland is hardly likely to pay a division rival as much as they would the Giants), so if Cleveland was the market for WR, then the Steelers couldn't get this kind of deal no matter what they said.

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7 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 12, 2019 - 9:36pm

Well, that's what I mean; ya' can't let the brink sneak up on ya'.

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11 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:02pm

The situation with AB escalated so quickly I'm not sure realistically what the Steelers were supposed to do differently. They likely could've gotten a similar deal if AB didn't want his contract torn up. Only one team was willing to do so.

Also, OBJ is five years younger

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16 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Mar 13, 2019 - 1:12am

Well, the Steelers might consider treating their players better. They alienated 2/3 of their "killer Bs" pretty damn fast. They brought this on themselves.

Didn't they tell Brown to just submit to the unquestionable authority of Super Bowl Winner™®© Ben Roethlisberger? Or was that some media jackass who said that? The jackassary blends together in my memory…

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20 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 13, 2019 - 9:17am

They "alienated" AB by making him the highest paid WR in the game. Looks clear now that Bell overplayed his hand.

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6 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by dank067 // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:59pm

I don't even like the return the Giants got here at all (The Browns gave them the second of their two third round picks, lol), but the Steelers deal makes this one look like the Herschel Walker trade

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9 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 12, 2019 - 10:58pm

They got a first-round pick too.

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15 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by dank067 // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:42pm

Right. Sometimes it's the little details that are the most amusing, like how when the Giants traded away the most talented receiver in the NFL at age 25 with his bonus already paid, the Browns successfully balanced out the deal with the lesser of their two third round picks and a 3rd year player who was a 1st round pick at a position where his rookie contract provides close to the least amount of surplus value relative to a veteran.

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34 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 13, 2019 - 8:56pm

No I mean the Giants got the #17 pick in the draft.

"Giants recieve a first-round pick in 2019 (No. 17 overall)"

They got a first-round pick, a late 3rd round pick, AND a player for this.

Of course, I totally agree, giving up OBJ but keeping Eli is a baffling decision.

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42 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by RickD // Mar 14, 2019 - 9:14am

It's not like anybody would give them a #1 for Eli.

Let's see if they draft a QB.

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43 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by jtr // Mar 14, 2019 - 10:54am

I imagine that the market for Eli is awfully small considering that he's a mediocre QB on a market-rate contract, and the couple of teams in the market for that kind of player already shot their shot by acquiring Keenum, Flacco, and Foles. Keeping Eli around won't be a disaster as long as they do the same thing with him as they did with Kurt Warner in 2004--draft a QB and pay a veteran mentor to soak up snaps until the rookie is ready for action.

Jettisoning all this talent doesn't make any sense unless they're really committing to a rebuild. Since the start of last season, they've lost probably their three most talented defenders in Collins, Vernon, and Snacks Harrison, and they just shipped out an All-Pro receiver. That's a huge talent drain to a team that was 5-11 last year.

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54 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 15, 2019 - 10:56am

What they did to Warner is criminal. Although that was par for the course with him. Eli was merely one of three less qualified and less skilled quarterbacks to take a job away from Kurt Warner during his career.

Anyway, it doesn't matter that they can't get a first for Eli - they can't get any ANYTHING for Eli. And that's fine... but it still doesn't excuse their decision to retain him, pay a $5m bonus, pay his full salary, and keep him aboard a ship that seems to be sinking entirely by design.

I get that maybe they didn't love any of the other quarterbacks last year (and, given the level of play of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen, it's not as if they've been definitively proven wrong, albeit only one year in) but there still isn't any sound logical argument for keeping him around and paying him, even as a stopgap. And even moreso now that they're stuck eating a ton of dead money unnecessarily.

It just reeks of poor planning. And it sucks for Saquon. Probably quite a bit for Shurmur too, although for all we know he's part of the decision process/problem.

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55 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by CaffeineMan // Mar 15, 2019 - 3:30pm

Hyperbole aside (tough for you, I know :-)) what did they do to Warner? He played there 1 season, didn't play great, in part because of an injury on his throwing thumb as I recall, and he got benched for the QB of the future. I'm no fan of the Giants, but that just seems like life in the NFL. Am I missing something?

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56 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 16, 2019 - 1:10pm

Yeah in terms of coach speak of, "best chance to win", Kurt had a right to feel upset. On the other hand, this is very much par for the course when a quarterback is drafted in the first round. No one was surprised flacco was upended for Jackson, even though Flacco was playing better than Jackson.

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57 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by CaffeineMan // Mar 18, 2019 - 4:05pm

OK, so I don't think I'm seeing anything criminal here. The Giants decided Eli was The Guy and decided to act on that. Hard to argue with that approach even without the hindsight of the Giants 2 Super Bowls. Warner's performances that the Giants could see in 02-03 (STL) and 04 (NYG), using rate stats instead of counting stats to discount games played are:

Games Played: 7, 2, and 10
DVOA: -17.3%, -64.7%, and -12.1%
ANY/A: 3.59, 4.29, and 5.69

Compared with 2001 where he led the league: 16 games, DVOA 36.7%, ANY/A 7.41

If you really think Eli is The Guy, Warner's performance is not something you keep The Guy on the bench for. He had 2 bad and/or injured years in STL before coming to the Giants, then was having a below-average year, so they decided Warner was on the downslope and wanted to get Eli some experience. The only way this looks as if the Giants did Warner dirty is in hindsight through the lens of Kurt Warner Hall of Famer. I liked Warner and rooted for him and have no issue with his Hall of Fame candidacy, but he was not wronged in this.

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5 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Cythammer // Mar 12, 2019 - 8:57pm

Wow. With this deal the Browns now have the third best odds to win the AFC next year (behind the obvious suspects), which I find a bit shocking. Are they really ahead of the Chargers, Ravens, Colts, and Texans, teams who actually made the playoffs last year?

From the Giants perspective, I don't see how this makes sense with their intention of sticking with Eli. If he's still your QB than surely you must be in win now mode. I guess it's hard to analyze the moves of an organization that's so clueless as to think Eli is still part of their future.

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10 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:01pm

The Ravens lost a lot of defensive talent, and I think there's still a lot of questions surrounding Lamar Jackson. I would say the Chargers are a better bet than the Browns, but I would put them about even with the Colts and Texans I think. Remember, the Browns looked really good once they fired their whole coaching staff, and Baker Mayfield was a top 10 QB in the last couple of months. I think they're a legit team now, with few weaknesses top-to-bottom with OBJ there now.

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13 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:13pm

I would say the gap between Luck and Mayfield is sizable and it wouldn't exactly be a surprise if OBJ ends up hurting the chemistry the team's been building.

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18 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by serutan // Mar 13, 2019 - 1:42am

That's the $64,000 question - How good a teammate will OBJ be in Cleveland? If good to mediocre, watch out for the Browns. If he's a locker room cancer it could get ugly.

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19 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 13, 2019 - 9:13am

Being around his buddy Landry and Mayfield will make him happy; I can't imagine that will be anything but a fun place to be next season.

As for the Giants... Saquon ought to pull an AB at this point. Man... just what on earth is that team doing?

There is only one motivation for this trade that would make even a shred of sense to me, and that is that maybe they hope that this will make Eli retire so they won't have to look bad (again) for getting rid of him.

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35 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 13, 2019 - 8:59pm

I don't really know how adding the most talented receiver in the league will hurt team chemistry. Aside from some public sideline outbursts, I've never really heard talk that OBJ is a locker room cancer. Either way, it's worth having for that talent.

And I agree that Luck is better than Mayfield RIGHT NOW, but I'm not sure that there will be much of a gap there within a season or 2. Mayfield was already playing like a top 10 QB by the end of last season. Also, on paper the Browns have as much talent as the Colts now.

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39 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 13, 2019 - 11:06pm

They added DeAndre Hopkins?

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17 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Mar 13, 2019 - 1:30am

The Chargers and Colts seem like candidates for some regression next year; the Colts probably weren't as good at they played last year, and Phillip Rivers may or may not decline due to age. The Ravens look objectively worse, though there's plenty of time for all of this to change. The Texans could go either way.

I was high on the Browns even before this trade, so I think they're at least even with the Colts/ Chargees, and all three teams should compete for a bye in the AFC. I personally think the Browns are the best of the bunch. They're certainly the favorites for the North.

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21 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 13, 2019 - 9:24am

I think the Colts will be better than they played last year, but possibly with a worse record. What's funny is that had they not come out of the gates so (understandably) sluggishly they could actually have been a bye team themselves - one of the weakest in memory, of course - and we know that healthy Luck means that they'll contend in almost any game. But the schedule of opposing QBs this coming years is MUCH harder for them. Four of their five intradivisional road games are against upper echelon quarterbacks, plus they'll face Newton (if his arm works) and Ryan at home. Agree on the Chargers too, although they still have the run game and pass rush to be a playoff contender without expecting much from him. If they stay healthy I like the way that team is built a lot. But they'll have to beat the Chiefs to get a bye.

Being high on the Browns, especially after this trade, feels like a trap. It's chalk. But it's also perfectly rational. They are talented, they play well, they seem to have a clever coach, etc... it's possible that Mayfield will regress, but even if he just plays at the same level as last year and doesn't improve at all, that team likely should be favored in the division. Their schedule isn't terrible, the Steelers are entirely likely to be a 6-10 team, and the Ravens with Jackson are still a bit of a question mark.

So yeah. I just typed two paragraphs just to agree with you. I think maybe I'd say Colts and Browns > Chargers, but much of that has to do with the existence of the Chiefs.

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23 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 13, 2019 - 10:32am

I think the Steelers are as likely (if not a little more so) to be 10-6 as 6-10. For all the "what will they do without Bell and Brown talk?" their offense is still pretty talented. What they do to improve their defense is the bigger ?

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32 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 13, 2019 - 4:04pm

I agree, but for two things:

- Ben is getting old and has been sort of sneakily not very good the last two years
- after all this upheaval, I have a hard time believing that Tomlin's leadership will have the locker room all on the same page at the first hint of trouble.

I have long thought Tomlin was overrated (similar in a ton of ways to Mike McCarthy, whose firing was long overdue) and this just really seems like it could very well be the year when things really fall apart.

I won't say one outcome is more likely than the other... just that I won't be surprised by either. They're still talented and they still have a HOF caliber QB. They could also still be one domino tip or injury away from falling apart and quitting on the season early.

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38 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Mash Wilson // Mar 13, 2019 - 10:36pm

This is pretty funny given how likely it is that Mike McCarthy will be Tomlin's successor in Pittsburgh.

I've never been a big Tomlin booster, but, man, Steelers fans should be careful what they wish for...

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41 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 13, 2019 - 11:12pm

McCarthy's about 20 years older than what the Rooneys want a new HC to be

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45 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 14, 2019 - 3:32pm

The Steelers haven't hired a coach of greater than median age in 50-plus years. They won't start now.

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40 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 13, 2019 - 11:11pm

You'll have to elaborate on "sneakily not very good"

The guy threw for over 5,000 yards and 34 TDs in 2018. That was with no Bell, no Conner for about a month and not much at WR beyond AB and JuJu

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47 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Mountain Time ---- formerly Ninjalectual // Mar 14, 2019 - 5:48pm

Right. Not much at WR, besides what was possibly the best 1-2 tandem in the NFL…

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49 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 14, 2019 - 6:09pm

I think Ben's offensive talent last year was among the best in football, even if you think it was massively top heavy. The line is/was good and AB and JuJu are/were superlative players.

Ben at this point is on massive decline watch - meaning it can happen at any moment. If you told me he stayed healthy all season next year, I probably wouldn't believe you. If you told me he was shot like McNabb starting the season, I don't think that's a crazy thought either. My best guess? he suffers some injury during the year and becomes a slightly better version of Peyton Manning in 2014 - a shot fighter trying to win with whatever heroics he can muster while his body falls apart.

Btw, I also have similar view of Rivers at this point as well. While his playing style is more conducive to staying healthy vs big ben, he's also had a significant build up of scar tissue stemming from years spent behind some of the worst offensive lines in the league. Seriously, the only thing that kept the Chargers from a browns like dark age from 2011 through today was Philip Rivers.

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8 Re: BREAKING NEWS: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by justanothersteve // Mar 12, 2019 - 10:10pm

This and the Sheldon Richardson signing make John Dorsey an early favorite for NFL Executive of the Year. He previously put together that wonderful supporting cast for Mahomes' KC Chiefs. Now let's see if he can manage the salary cap better than he allegedly did in KC.

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12 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by herewegobrowniesherewego // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:07pm

Adam Silverstein reporting that the Browns are also closing in on signing Earl Thomas to a 3-year deal i.e. to coincide with Myles/Baker extensions, and to replace Peppers.

It's unbelievable that we might be able to use "Browns" and "dream team" [with the very slight chance that it has the negative connotation of having many overpaid names not perform, a la 2011 Eagles, if the team chemistry goes wrong] in the same sentence now,

I've questioned on here before whether elite WRs in general really have elite "value," and I fully admit I referenced OBJ in particular with them, but this just might work because of his being BFFs with Jarvis Landry.

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22 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 13, 2019 - 9:25am

Oh man... that would be amaazing.

Get rid of Gregg Williams and the way he uses safeties... add Earl Thomas. Just a wee bit of an upgrade there!

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37 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by herewegobrowniesherewego // Mar 13, 2019 - 10:24pm

E.Thomas to Ravens...dangit.

Browns have a few viable paths to replacing Peppers all the same, but this one stings a bit.

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14 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Hoodie_Sleeves // Mar 12, 2019 - 11:33pm

What's that, like $50M in dead money?

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24 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 13, 2019 - 10:48am

Inexplicable move here. Doesn't make sense from a talent / team building standpoint nor a money standpoint. Wonder if John Dorsey was beside himself when he learned the Giants were willing to do this. the closest analogy is one of those people who sells a rare artifact that they themselves have no idea what its true value is. In such a situation you keep your mouth shut and smile with Glee inside.

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25 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 13, 2019 - 10:54am

With Odell and saquon, the Giants had the kind of young talent to perfectly complement a Young quarterback. Now they have a giant pile of suck at receiver. don't be surprised if we start hearing that their rookie quarterback struggles because he has a lack of talent around him.

I actually feel bad for Joe Thomas. he retires just as the brown start to get a clue. I bet he wishes his career had been fast-forwarded to today. I was already pretty high on the browns before this and now I'm super optimistic.

I'm not sure this puts them definitively above the Steelers yet. Despite the Steelers insanity last year, they still have a lot of talent and experience and if Ben doesn't decline, he's still the better qb.

I know this time looks different, but I've been scarred so much by the browns that I'll believe it when I see it.

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26 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Bright Blue Shorts // Mar 13, 2019 - 12:41pm

Can someone explain to me why everybody is so high on the Browns when they have a rookie headcoach who a year ago was hired as running back coach ? Someone with half a season of offensive co-ordinating to his resume.

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27 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 13, 2019 - 12:50pm

I guess it depends on just how high the expectations are. I don't think anyone here is penciling in a superbowl win or even an afc championship game, but there's enough there to be optimistic about making the playoffs for the first time in eons.

The browns about 3 years ago were an awful team with no talent. A year ago, they were a much more talented team with an awful head coach. I think even if you aren't a fan of Kitchens, you have to think in half a season he's been far better than Jackson. Add in some talent at defensive line, a good young qb with an expected leap and a superstar wide receiver and you have the makings of a playoff team to me.

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28 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Bright Blue Shorts // Mar 13, 2019 - 1:49pm

Thanks for your comments.

Half a season of Gregg Williams was better than Hue Jackson - that I agree on.

But half a year of Kitchens as OC better than Hue Jackson? I'm not so sure. The one thing that most people used to agree on is that Hue Jackson was a very good OC at the Raiders in 2010 and circa 2014 in Cincinnati.

As Jackson showed HCing is a different skillset to coordinating but at least the latter involves some strategy and man management of position coaches. I'm just not sure where Kitchens is suddenly going to get that leadership experience from. Maybe he's a natural leader who's just been biding his time.

Aside from Kitchens doing a good or bad job - I just have this sneaky feeling that however well things go ... Jimmy Haslam will step in and blow things up.

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29 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 13, 2019 - 2:50pm

Certainly a possibility, but they ranked 18 by DVOA, -3 last year. Three teams made the playoffs at about 0 to -5. The Browns will better at receiver and defensive tackle, probably saftey as well, and they have 10 draft picks, 4 in the first 3 rounds. Their qb play should continue to improve. Making the playoffs is a very reasonable goal.

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36 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 13, 2019 - 9:05pm

I think the Browns should be considered contenders for the AFC Championship Game. I wouldn't even count them out to make the Super Bowl. I think we've just conditioned ourselves to believe that the Browns are bad for so long, it's impossible to imagine them being great.

I agree the coach is the biggest question mark here (and the chance that Haslam screws things up), but if his offensive coordinator performance last season is any indication of his coaching ability (which admittedly is a big if, some people are great coordinators but mediocre HCs), then what is actually holding this team back?

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44 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by theslothook // Mar 14, 2019 - 11:38am

Baker Mayfield is still far from a known quantity. Even if he becomes good, just how good will he be? Will he be Matt Stafford, Eli Manning or Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers?

He could also flop and be a bit of a one year wonder. Who knows.

That along with the mystery at coach plus overall inexperience of the team gives me enough pause to doubt them as SB contenders. I still have KC and NE above them.

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46 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 14, 2019 - 5:18pm

Offensive and defensive lines seem suspect, too. Yeah, they signed Richardson, but this will be his fourth team in as many seasons. There's a reason(s) for that.

NE's the favorite until proven otherwise. Everybody knows how good KC's offense is, but they're also going through a pretty complete overhaul defensively ( a defense that sucked overall in 2018, but still...)

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48 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 14, 2019 - 5:49pm

Richardson was terrific for the Vikings. My impression was that he was good for the Seahawks. He left because of cap constraints. Now, it is legitimate to think he may go back to coasting some like he did at the end with the Jets, but some guys just dont play as hard in dysfunctional settings. Then again this is the Browns....

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52 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Steve B // Mar 14, 2019 - 10:48pm

But was he really a difference maker? Sacks aren't everything, but he only had 4.5 and the Vikings' run defense wasn't that great. Seems like they could've kept him, but Zimmer thought Barr was the more important of the two (and very well might be proven wrong).

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53 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 15, 2019 - 12:24am

Well, look, he's more valuable at last year's 8 million cap hit than he is at this year's 13 million

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50 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by bobrulz // Mar 14, 2019 - 6:51pm

I suppose I'm much higher on Baker Mayfield then. I think he's about as much of a sure thing as exists at QB. And yes, I agree, I still have the Patriots and Chiefs above them as well, and probably the Chargers, but predicting the top Super Bowl contenders before the season is always a shaky prospect. I think the Chiefs have major questions on defense that could hurt them, and while I wouldn't bet on a big decline from Brady, it's bound to happen EVENTUALLY.

If I were a betting man, I would like the current Browns odds.

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51 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Will Allen // Mar 14, 2019 - 7:10pm

If you can get a big enough discount on Browns futures in the desert, because, well, it's the Browns, there probably have been dumber ways to waste a hundred bucks.

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30 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Vincent Verhei // Mar 13, 2019 - 3:00pm

That "half a season of offensive co-ordinating" is stronger than what some coaches put together in two or three years. From Week 10 onwards last season -- after Mayfield and Kitchens were established -- the Browns had the best offensive DVOA in the league. Better than the Chiefs. Better than the Rams. Better than the Patriots. It's reasonable to expect (though not guaranteed, of course) that Mayfield will be better in Year 2. Now on top of that they've added an A-plus No. 1 receiver at the peak of his career. So yes, there's plenty of reason for optimism here.

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33 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by Dave Bernreuther // Mar 13, 2019 - 4:10pm

It also seems entirely likely that Mayfield actually has that mythical "it" factor of leadership that could help the team gel even if Kitchens proves to be a fool.

But judging from the changes after Jackson left and the simple but clever tweaks that he added in, the offense should do well, grow with Mayfield, and buy Kitchens some time/respect as a leader even if he's out of his league. They were fun to watch last year without Beckham and even when they were in that "juuuust missed" mode. Now they'll have a full training camp together and new toys. It's too easy to call them the surprise new contender... but it's also really very likely.

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31 Re: Giants Trading Beckham to Browns

by ssereb // Mar 13, 2019 - 3:19pm

Tom Cable has been coaching offensive lines since the early 90s. Experience isn't everything, and if you recognize talent early, there's good reason to push it to the fore.

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