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Texans Fire Bill O'Brien

Houston owner Cal McNair today fired head coach and general manager Bill O'Brien after an underwhelming 0-4 start. We panned O'Brien's personnel moves in Football Outsiders Almanac 2020 but it is still a surprise to see him fired this early into the season, especially coming off multiple playoff appearances. Romeo Crennel takes over as the interim head coach, but who is in charge of personnel now? The second-most powerful guy in the front office was O'Brien's personal confidante, former Patriots "character development coach" Jack Easterby, who doesn't exactly have the kind of resume that suggests he can take over the general manager position. And good luck to whoever gets that GM position permanently, as the Texans have no first- or second-round pick next year.

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85 comments, Last at 12 Oct 2020, 10:20am

1 Congratulations to Texans…

Congratulations to Texans fans, and may you somehow Edge of Tomorrow yourselves into getting this done before he got/gets/is getting rid of Deandre Hopkins.

3 I am honestly stunned. I…

I am honestly stunned. I mean...the on field results were pretty predictable a while back so I find it strange that the firing was in reaction to that.

 

Hilariously, BOB has inflicted so much destruction on this roster; they are basically low on talent, low on draft capital, and with a clogged cap sheet all while in the "Win Now" model. Its the perfect trifecta. 

 

It may not be hyperbole to say that Bill O'Brien is the worst GM ever. I believe anyone with a modicum of football knowledge would have been better. At least they would have avoided the Hopkins lunacy. 

4 Yikes, I think that the…

Yikes, I think that the Texans might be in the worst situation in all of football, despite having a legitimate top 20 quarterback on a rookie contract. That's... impressive stupidity by Bill O'Brian. I mean, what if the Texans are so bad that Watson absolutely refuses to resign with them for any amount of money? And so they franchise him twice and that's that? Good god, can you imagine the hell that O'Brian hath wrought?

BTW I knew that Bill O'Brian had an IQ in the low 80's when I first heard him interviewed. If I can tell, how come the owner can't? I mean I know that sometimes we can overjudge postitively and negatively, but O'Brian seemed like a flat out idiot. Gase comes across only slightly smarter, with an even more assholish tone.

All I hope for is that JJ Watt can be traded to some team who really deserves him, and who can potentially win. Well, and who doesn't play against the rams.

5 I believe Watson signed a 4…

I believe Watson signed a 4 year extension. So he's not going anywhere for the foreseeable future. Even if he demanded a trade, the cap hit would be so enormous that you'd need a bunch of compensation for him and the cap hell you'd be thrown into that it would never work.

 

Watson is screwed short of the Texans pulling a Saints or Seahawks early 2000s  draft coup.

6 Because Bob McNair was a…

Because Bob McNair was a repeated failure who had one successful business venture and was dying at the time?

In an ominous note, Bob McNair was more competent than the current owners, who married and were born into his wealth, respectively.

7 Watt

"All I hope for is that JJ Watt can be traded to some team who really deserves him, and who can potentially win."

Hmm, I know of a former Wisconsin QB who is having a pretty good year and who could really use a pass rush...

Doesn't fit the rest of your desires, though...Also they don't have much draft capital left to trade anyway.

8 Wilson and Watt missed each…

In reply to by LyleNM

Wilson and Watt missed each other by one year at Wisconsin. Wilson's defense let him down at Wisconsin too.

12 Matt Millen

My first thought is Mat Millen strikes me as the worst GM I can recall.  Any other nominations?  I would BOB being on the short list.

17 Millen

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

A GM has many jobs, and Millen surely failed in the talent/drafting aspects. Epically.

Was he any good at the other stuff?  Hiring/keeping good staff?  Balancing salary cap?  Clearly he was excellent at collecting and utilizing scandalous blackmail material over the Ford family.  That's a given and has gotta count for something, right?

44 Millen wasn't interested in…

In reply to by Bobman

Millen wasn't interested in the non-football stuff ... he said it in A Football Life

https://youtu.be/zt3In_pIUp4?t=1727

45 I would say he hired a…

In reply to by Bobman

I would say he hired a shitty coach....but then I remember that the coach inherited the GM, so that wouldn't be fair.

19 Other nominations

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

Jim Irsay might put himself on that list--he admitted as much to some extent after a bad couple years when he (as owner) hired a GM to replace himself (as GM).  ("Self, you're fired.  But as severance compensation, I got you this cool guitar.") 

As much grief as he gets, he deserves credit as an owner for not letting his ego get in the way of professional management.  Not sure if Polian was the next GM hire for the Colts, or if he came a few years later (and he was a great hire).

26 I guess I'm the Colts fan…

I guess I'm the Colts fan who defends Jim Irsay. He has personal demons we all agree, but I don't think he's been a bad owner. He gives his people time to see their vision through. the obvious downside of that is you get four years of wasted Andrew luck prime, but you also avoid being the Browns who change the front office and coaching staff as if they were tube socks. 

49 He's not Bob

As a Baltimore-area football fan, I will say this much about Jim Irsay: he's not Bob.  And it's clear that he's put a lot of effort into not being Bob.  I respect that.

25 Matt Millen

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

Matt Millen was a terrible GM, no question. He looks worse because he was given a long enough tenure to drive the lions from horrible to an unwatchable nightmare.

I believe Bill O'Brien the GM would arrive at the same destination, only he'd get there in half the time.

43 I'm the president of the…

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

I'm the president of the Matt Millen anti-fan club, but Millen would have never traded away a player like Hopkins for ambiguous reasons.   His problem was that he never acquired any talented players that he could later trade away for no good reason.

50 I'm shocked no one has…

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

I'm shocked no one has proposed Josh McDaniels as the worst-ever GM. He absolutely gutted the Broncos. I don't remember my arguments from the time, but I remember making the case that he was worse than Matt Millen.

In hindsight he did leave us with Demaryous Thomas and Eric Decker, but that took years and a Manning to pan out

73 As a percipient witness:…

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

As a percipient witness: Josh McDaniels.  His wasted draft capital includes moving up to select Tim Tebow in the first round (you've heard of Tebow, but probably didn't think he was draft worthy), Alphonso Smith (of whom you probably have never heard and was essentially acquired in exchange for Earl Thomas), Robert Quinn (for picks used to draft Mike Wallace).  And so on. 

Josh McDaniels makes Bill O'Brien or Matt Millen look like Branch freakin' Rickey.

 

80 Mike Tannenbaum has to be in…

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

Mike Tannenbaum has to be in the conversation. He wasn't as spectacular as some of these other guys, but his sucking technique was very effective: his signature move was signing a mishmash of overpaid free agents, that would eventually be cut and count for a bunch of dead money and effectively crippled the cap so that no home-grown players could be kept.

When it came to the draft his method apparently was consensus drafting -since he knew nothing about scouting- which accounted for the lack of direction or team-building strategy. But the biggest issue there was he methodically thinned out the draft value of the team by consistently trading up. Not high-profile fuck ups -he was too smart to put himself on the line like that-, just a bunch of small stuff that erased the team's middle-round picks to move up a few spots in the 3rd or 4th round.

Like I said, not spectacular, but he'd cripple your team like no one else. An evil genius.

41 What's really impressive is…

What's really impressive is that he manages to be this bad while seemingly being ok at talent evaluation. It's not that he doesn't identify players who can produce effectively, it's that he seems to have not even the faintest sense of how to value any asset, in either trade or salary terms, and an incredibly short time horizon. The Hopkins trade makes a lot more sense if you model David Johnson as being a highly valuable asset, which I think is how O'Brien saw him, rather than a liability, as someone with even the slightest economic understanding would.

42 I feel the same way about…

I feel the same way about the Hopkins trade. It's like the Ricky Williams deal, but without the benefit of two decades worth of data showing that RB might be the most fungible position in the league.

O'Brien strikes me as a football guy who simply doesn't grasp the business/valuation side of things. And really, why should he? The odds of being one the best few dozen people in the world at coaching football while also being one of the best few dozen at the GM aspects would seemingly be quite rare. But why teams think this is a good idea is another story.

56 1980s Bucs...

Who was Hugh Culverhouse's GM during the 80s and 90s?, basically between the John Mackay and Tony Dungy?

The time they ditched Testaverde, Steve Young, etc... 

 

Apparently they were the most profitable team in the league during much of that time, though, albeit without any process to do anything else, so maybe those were the marching orders...

 

9 He wasn't great, and it was…

He wasn't great, and it was beyond time for him to go. Still, he made the playoffs with the following sets of starting quarterbacks:

2015: Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, TJ Yates, Brandon Weeden

2016: Brock Osweiler, Tom Savage

That's pretty damned impressive!

13 Playoffs? (said in Jim Mora's voice)

Well, Indy was missing Luck at QB for half the season in 2015, so that helps.  And in 2016 he played 15 games despite the bum shoulder, which got operated on right after the season. Both seasons Indy went 8-8, whereas a healthy Luck averaged 11 wins his first three seasons.  

As a Colts fan, I am sad to see O'Brien go.  As a football fan, it's a good thing.

Maybe as coach he'd be okay, but in both roles, disastrous.

24 The other point to mention…

The other point to mention is that these teams made the playoffs but it wasn't because of the offenses. They were winning from a lot of the leftover talent Bill O'Brien inherited. I think if anything, the long list of quarterback whiffs prior to Watson is proof that he is no quarterback whisperer.

35 Here are the BOB offensive…

Here are the BOB offensive rankings.

For reference, he took over the 29th ranked offense in 2013

2014: 22

2015: 25

2016: 30

2017: Deshaun Watson's rookie year - 24th

2018: 19th

2019: 17th

2020: 21st

 

So unless you think he deserves credit for the defense + special teams + game theory optimized decision making...what evidence suggests he's been a good offensive coach? Seems to me, if anything, he's underachieved.

10 Eh people rejoiced when Kubiak was fired too

O'Brien is no GM and he made a mess of the job, but he seems like a good coach. He was panned for so many moves, but I would love to see an honest retrospective of all of his supposed screwups. It seems like a lot of people only remember that they thought O'Brien was an idiot for doing XYZ thing, and never bother to see if they were right.

Was the Clowney trade really such a mistake? Tunsil could be an exceptionally valuable player. I can't really talk myself into the Hopkins trade but it's worth noting that he's making quarterback money now. That has to be a mitigating factor because at 27+ million even Nuk is probably of limited value. Arizona's hyper elite offense sure hasn't materialized. 

Seems to me a lot of the negative pub following O'Brien is typified by him drafting Deshaun Watson. A lot of people were very lukewarm on that pick. I remember obsessive analysis of his arm strength. In fact, it was an excellent pick. The problem was that O'Brien mismanaged his resources and spent too much to get that pick. Maybe, really. Only maybe.

O'Brien has been one of the most successful head coaches in the NFL. His only losing season was 2017 when Watson was hurt. Apart from that season, he was 48-36. That factors in this incomplete season too. Which is hardly fair. Houston's faced a murderer's row and Minnesota. Most seasons have capped out at high mediocrity, but many NFL franchises would kill for such lofty heights. Teams like the Texans, who have had awful ownership, should see high mediocrity as something like a Super Bowl dynasty.

If I were an owner, maybe of the Jets say, I would set him up with a situation like Carroll has in Seattle. Give him a certain amount of control over personnel, but do not make him the GM. It's too much, and O'Brien clearly made a hash of it. But the phony baloney cannonade of social media criticism doesn't amount to much. Correction, it sure excels at getting people fired.

23 Ahh, see, rocket science is…

In reply to by Ambientdonkey

Ahh, see, rocket science is very different from jet science, as the British and Canadians discovered post-Sputnik.

37 There's no way Joe Douglas…

There's no way Joe Douglas would be down with replacing Gase with O'Brien.  O'Brien backstabbed the previous GM so he could become the GM.  At least Gase backstabbed McCagnan so the Jets would hire Douglas.  While Douglas isn't in charge of Gase (they both report to the owner), Douglas got a 7 year contract, and there's nothing close to a hot seat for him.  If he's cool with replacing the coaching staff, he'd look to the Eagles or Ravens, his former employers, not some Patricia or O'Brien.

36 With regards to his GM…

With regards to his GM decisions, I think they're bad even without the benefit of hindsight. Take clowney and Hopkins. Up to that point both were very valuable players. he let the contract negotiations with clowney linger all the way to the final year where they had no leverage at that point. A smart GM either leverages the rookie deal into a friendlier contract, or realizes there's never going to be a palatable figure and trades him earlier to get a better pick. And remember they had to eat a big chunk of the guaranteed money so they didn't even save all that much by getting rid of them.

Then there was signing Brock osweiler to a huge contract despite having no real assessment of his true value. And the cost of that mistake? Having to send out a second rounder to get rid of him.

And the Hopkins deal is terrible no matter what way you slice it. They took on a bad contract and gotten laughable return for it. Compare that to the deals for obj and Diggs. and this was coming on the heels after trading draft picks for Duke Johnson. 

Finally the Tunsil deal was terrible. For starters he's not a Hall of Fame left tackle at this point but the bigger issue is that offensive line is more about the weak link than it is about one stellar player and four turnstiles. But not only was the cost enormous, the decision and timing meant that they were in poor negotiating position, essentially forced into a lavish contract for him.

All that wheeling and dealing has left the team bereft of cap space, draft picks, and now talent. 

55 Apropos, SlotHooker!

I was thinking about this very subject while watching the Chiefs game last night.

Seattle traded Frank Clark in 2018 for a decent haul.  Clark had come off a career year in Seattle with double digit sacks.  Seeing how Seattle is struggling with a non-existent passrush, wouldn't it have been far better to sign Clark and have that talent on your D-Line than see him prosper on the reigning SB champ?

It's a no-brainer for me, but anyone have a thought on that?

Seattle is notorious for being cheap on both lines and it's really killed them over the years.  Why do they build from the outside in, when most teams invest in their lines first?

Seattle people, this is your time to speak.

58 I guess it depends on how…

I guess it depends on how you value Frank Clark. Think about the Texans. Their o line stunk, so they traded the world for Tunsil and signed him to a massive contract. Tunsil is a good player, but good enough to justify this? 

I will say it's always dangerous to make win now moves, especially since anything short of a championship and you get remembered as being reckless instead of bold. If the Chiefs lose the super bowl instead, especially on the backs of a terrible run defense, I wonder how many people are still praising the trade.

61 Yeah, but there was a fairly…

Yeah, but there was a fairly big difference in trade haul between the Clark and Tunsil trades. A first, second, and effectively a fourth isn't that big a give. Plus the Chiefs were in a better position than the Texans to risk things: in 2018 they had the biggest point-differential in their conference, whereas the Texans were far more middle-of-the-pack.

"If the Chiefs lose the super bowl instead, especially on the backs of a terrible run defense, I wonder how many people are still praising the trade."

I don't think it'd ever be viewed as that bad: at this point, the Chiefs are very successful, whereas the Texans are 0-4 and last year finished with a negative point differential. The Chiefs clearly had some amount of "future talent acquisition capability" to sacrifice, whereas the Texans don't.

62 I agree with what you're…

I agree with what you're saying, my bigger point is all of this talk about successful or unsuccessfully is often made with the benefit of hindsight. 

As far as I know, the attempts to quantify what Frank Clark is worth in terms of draft capital are fairly murky, especially when you factor in the salary cap and the flexibility having a draft pick gives you. There's also a question of how much better is Frank Clark than a cheaper free agent option. 

I tend to take the view that only elite players at premium positions are worth giving away big draft picks for.

46 I put BOB in the above…

I put BOB in the above average category but only just;     because it seems like he's underachieved with the talent he had available to him (ignoring the fact he traded some of it away for peanuts).  Any reference to DeShaun Watson should recall that he only became starter after Tom Savage got benched at halftime of the 1st game. The coaching staff couldn't see what they had in their hands until he was on the field.

The Jets would be mad to hire him - Belichick outsmarts BOB easily - that'll be two divisional losses straight off.

I could see Atlanta making a change to acquire BOB.  But Blank seems quite loyal and to have some integrity so I think Dan Quayle or whatever his name is will see the season through. It's an interestiing year as pressure to fire HCs midseason is often driven by getting fans through the gates into the stadium. That pressure doesn't really exist this year.

 

The big problem with BOB seems to be his inability to share power. The successful organisations, teams like the Seahawks, have a GM/HC who are able to work TOGETHER to build a roster to compete.

11 Weird to see a coach fired…

Weird to see a coach fired in the middle of the season. The strange part is that a revival is not that unlikely. Houston has had a brutal schedule so far. Romeo Crennel has a good chance of having a winning record in the remaining 12 games, which could lead to him getting the job permanently, whether he deserves it or not.

16 Another Belichick apple falling far from the tree

I hadn't thought of Crennel getting the job full-time.  Wow, that would be pretty good news for the rest of the AFCS.

The real issue is who the next GM will be.  Because, another branch of the BB coaching tree is not suddenly gonna be a savior.  Whatever gifts Belichick has, and has has many, they don't appear to be easily transferrable to his staff.  Maybe a Subway sandwich will help though.

29 Well, it looks like Vrabel…

" another branch of the BB coaching tree is not suddenly gonna be a savior."

 

Well, it looks like Vrabel has defied the odds of all of the other Belichick diaspora, so there's that.

Although he has a ton of long-term legacy riding on how the whole Titans COVID situation resolves, and on what level of fault he has thus far for the problems of the mass team outbreak.

48 A few HCs have been fired…

A few HCs have been fired early season in recent years ... Dennis Allen at Raiders (2014), Joe Philbin at Dolphins (2015) and Hue Jackson spring to mind.  Usually gets done before a bye week while the season is still salvagable.

You get a few more last season firings in the hope of getting fans into the stadium.  Romeo Crennel previously took over from Todd Haley at the Chiefs in 2011.   The Bills fired Rex Ryan with one game to play.

54 Check your stats, RickRoll!

What we "know" is that Crennel was a quality DC years ago.

His last few years as a DC didn't go so well.

At his age, I worry that he doesn't have the energy to do much in the way of coaching.  He's more of a consultant now than anything else.

Basically a placeholder until the owner figures out who he wants to hire as GM.

 

57 Thor.

It's not weird at all, in fact, it should have happened last year when they blew that 24 point lead against the Chiefs.

I'm sorry, but there's no way you lose a game like that in the playoffs.  All you basically have to do is hold serve and give effort to maintain a lead that large and you'll win the game, even if the Chiefs make it closer.

That was a collapse on the level of the Oilers/Bills of 90's-era NFL infamy.  

The new owner evidently didn't think that was enough, so after the Hopkins trade which people are still whining about, he got the message.

As a Card's fan, I'm laughing at all of this because we have Hopkins.

Houstonians are still whining about losing Hopkins like that's going to change anything.  Stoicism is lost on these people.

 

 

64 Chiefs should have fired…

In reply to by DIVISION

Chiefs should have fired Andy Reid after blowing a 28-point lead in the playoffs?

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201401040clt.htm

71 Texans weren't the only team…

In reply to by DIVISION

Texans weren't the only team to blow a lead to the Chiefs.  Mahomes does that to people.   Should the Niners fire Kyle?

18 0-4 and no #1 or #2 in the…

0-4 and no #1 or #2 in the draft next year, and now no GM. The long term play is surely to start trading players for picks (Watt, and...and... er   )and just write this year off, but how'd you do that without someone leading football ops? And how attractive is the job in comparison to other prospective vacancies?

At least Rivers is a little happier

22 JJ

Per overthecap.com JJ Watt counts for $15.5M this year.  What team wants to roll the dice that he has enough left given his age and injury history....and the cap space to trade for him?  Browns? Pats? Cowpokes?

31 The Bills are clearly in win…

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

The Bills are clearly in win-now mode, badly need a pass rusher and could trivially create the cap space by cutting Trent Murphy or restructuring Jerry Hughes.

59 Watt..

In reply to by Bill Walshs Ho…

...would be a great pick-up for the Cowboys if they fix their scheme.  He's still above average for a D-lineman and has great athleticism still.  He's just not durable anymore like he was before all the injuries.  He had an invasive spinal surgery which limits mobility and it's a wonder he's able to play NFL football again.  

Watt isn't worth $15.5M now, but it's a good short-term pick-up for a team like Seattle or Dallas.  

Even your baby Niners could use him given all the injuries and lackluster play.

68 I'd be reluctant to trade…

In reply to by DIVISION

I'd be reluctant to trade serious draft capital for him and there is no salary cap room; would gladly take him on the cheap though (I know that won't happen). 

63 There's also the question of…

There's also the question of whether you can tank without pissing off Deshaun Watson. Keeping your young franchise QB happy is probably worth missing out on a 2nd-rounder (or so) for Watt and remaining competitive.

72 Thought Experiment

I din't expect Houston to finish with the worst record in the NFL (the Jets exist), but if they do, and if Tua is "fine", or doesn't play this year, should Miami take Lawerence or the trade loot?

75 It depends - if they think…

It depends - if they think Lawrence is better than Tagovailoa, then pick Lawrence. Over the spam of time that a franchise qb is viable (10-15 years) nothing else matters except the right qb.

If they can't tell, or aren't sure, take the loot

28 Staying classy upon the news

No need to kick BOB too much out the door even as the change clearly was warranted -- if only to Free DeShaun.  His shortcomings in assuming too many roles (admittedly, by his own doing) became evident.  I'm guessing that he would not have accepted a demotion to return to just being the coach, and hence that his complete departure was the only viable option.  Would he be better suited to run a college program?

65 He was much better than his…

He was much better than his predecessor, Tom Bradley. If you're talking about his long-term predecessor, then he was better in off-the-field ways that are relatively significant.

I'd argue that he may not have been worse than his successor, James Franklin, either. O'Brien did an impressive job recruiting to a job that, when he took it, was in line for four years of sanctions. He also won 15 games in 2 years despite starting walk-ons at QB and RB in his first year and a true freshman QB in his second year. Franklin has recruited better in much better circumstances, but has struggled to maximize his talent whenever he doesn't have a star OC to lean on.

47 Not to put too fine a point…

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Jack Easterby, two calendar years removed from Patriots Team Chaplain, now apparently has completed his rise to Supreme Power-Wielder in an NFL Organization.

 

I'm not sure if he's Svengali or Rasputin, but this is fascinating to me.  Even more so than how Adam Gase has had multiple Head Coaching jobs.

53 The hot takes from ESPN/Fox...

...were that BOB "the GM" got BOB "The coach" fired.  I think that's true, but there's more behind the scenes just like everything in Houston.

The new owner was listening to fan discontent that has grown louder with all the trades and the 0-4 start gave him the impetus and capital to fire him, rather than increase the negative energy by allowing him to finish out the season.

It's one thing to lose when the community likes the coach, but quite another when they're calling for him to be lynched in the streets.

People are pushing Eric Bieniemy to Houston, but the cupboard is bare outside of Deshaun Watson and a few quality players.  Some would question whether Deshaun Watson is even the right QB to build around given the lack of any deep playoff run with generational talents like Hopkins and Watt.  With no upcoming draft picks for years and leveraged financially against the cap, this is a reclamation job as much as a rebuild.  

The hilarious conspiracy theory I saw online is that BOB knew he'd be out and decided to sabotage houston with all these trades on his way out.  

I'm predicting that Bieniemy doesn't take this job unless he receives a long lucrative contract with a GM he is onboard with.

*As a Card's fan, I'm just happy we got Hopkins before the owner fired BOB!

74 Eric Bieniemy idea (wacky)

<Love that name, loved him as a player.>

Perhaps I'm thinking of this as a Syracuse native and fan of its basketball team, but is there any precedent in the NFL of naming (with some degree of official-ness) a next coach designee?  Andy Reid is age 62; how long does he want to continue coaching?  It would benefit the Chiefs to keep Eric as an assistant and if Eric knows he can succeed Coach Reid when he (Andy) retires, that would be preferable to many head coaching jobs that have opened or will open (including Houston).

Then again, when Syracuse tried this (it named Mike Hopkins as the official successor to Jim Boeheim), the plan wasn't consummated; Boeheim wanted to stay longer than expected and Hopkins got a pretty good head coaching offer.

76 You can look no further than…

You can look no further than Bill Belichick, who had it in his contract that he'd succeed Bill Parcells in New Jersey.  Parcells resigned as HC when Belichick tried ot leave, but Belichick also famously resigned because there was new ownership with the Jets, and he wasn't sure of the direction of the franchise.

I don't know if it was contractually guaranteed, but Eric DeCosta seems to have been official "next GM", with an actual start date of After the 2019 draft. 

And Josh McDaniels sure seemed to jump at a carrot in New England when he changed his mind about the Colts job.  It may have been a promise of succession, although some think BBs going to stick around long enough to see Steve Belichick succeed him.

As it pertains to Bienemy, Reid wants him to get an HC job yesterday, so I don't think he'll be encouraged to delay fulfilling his potential for, at minimum, 5 years.  Plus, Reid's got a son on his staff that he'd probably like to move up the ranks.

83 Wait you honestly believe…

Wait you honestly believe that BB's and Reid's sons are potentially NFL HC material?  Based on what record of accomplishment?  Have they ever been a coordinator for any program/team anywhere?  Good lord...people will believe anything.

85 Today?  No.  Next year?  No…

Today?  No.  Next year?  No.  Five years from now?  Why not?

All I've said is that some believe that Steve Belichick will be the next coach of the Patriots.  I do not.  I think that McDaniels will be the next coach of the Patriots, and the younger Belichick would be better served getting out of Pop's shadow.  He has also been serving as co-defensive co-ordinator and play-caller since the latter part of last season.  The players have been quite publically praising his abilities.

I know nothing about Andy Reid's or Bryce Reid's future plans.  I would think, though, if the younger is serious about an NFL coaching career, he will be given a huge leg up.