AP Changes MVP, All-Pro Voting Rules

Reigning NFL MVP Aaron Rodgers
Reigning NFL MVP Aaron Rodgers
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NFL Week 11 - Exciting news from the world of NFL awards, where there will now be ranked choice voting and real second-team All-Pros. The Associated Press is going to be installing a weighted point system for the first time, similar to what they have in baseball. No more "unanimous All-Pro means there's no second-team All-Pro." No more "Russell Wilson has never gotten an MVP vote because voters can only choose one player per year."

For MVP, we'll vote for five players with spots worth 10-5-3-2-1 points. For other awards, there will be three players at 5-3-1. And for All-Pro spots, we'll vote for two players per position who will get 3 points for first place and 1 point for second place. Yes, this means I can make more mistakes on my ballot because there are more spots to choose. Yes, this means I have to come up with two All-Pro long-snappers. It's still a really cool change!

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18 comments, Last at 19 Nov 2022, 7:33pm

#1 by Bryan Knowles // Nov 18, 2022 - 1:42pm

Fantastic changes all around.

I'll be interested to see how non-QB voting goes at MVP.  A lot easier to acknowledge a Tyreek Hill or a Micah Parsons or somebody when you have five slots!

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#2 by rpwong // Nov 18, 2022 - 2:53pm

Definitely an improvement, but I'd still wish for something better for MVP. I don't know what that something is, though. Most likely this will still lead to QBs getting the MVP awards, and voters feeling better that they can give lesser votes to non-QBs.

It just kind of sucks that the only way a non-QB can even sniff an MVP award is to be so otherworldly that they cancel out the overwhelming stats put up by QBs. Otherwise, it's just too hard to argue that the MVP isn't "the guy who touches the ball on every single play".

I think that's probably why a generic MVP award is fine for basketball and hockey, where outsized contributions can come from any position in any given year. Baseball is somewhere in-between, and the current MVP tension between "Shohei Ohtani" and "everyone else" bears simularities to NFL QBs dominating MVP discussions. No baseball player has as much opportunity as Ohtani to make a difference.

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#10 by lauers // Nov 18, 2022 - 6:22pm

Or we don't know how to appropriately administer passing stats to all of the players on an offense (and/or coaching staff), so we attribute them all to the QB. 

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#14 by DoctorUnne // Nov 19, 2022 - 9:49am

In reply to by lauers

That is true.  It is also still true that QB is far and away the most valuable position.

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#12 by rpwong // Nov 18, 2022 - 9:45pm

Well yes, that's the point. It's unquestionable that the QB position impacts football more than any other position in football, and perhaps in any team sport. If that's what you want, then just have a separate QB of the Year award and remove them from consideration for Offensive Player of the Year. That would be more realistic.

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#15 by Noahrk // Nov 19, 2022 - 11:30am

Add a QB of the year award. Or hand out two OPOYs, one to QBs, one to non-QBs.

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#18 by ImNewAroundThe… // Nov 19, 2022 - 7:33pm

Just accept it as such and realize OPOTY is already a non QB award

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#3 by theslothook // Nov 18, 2022 - 3:03pm

I sincerely wish they changed MVP to Best season in the league. It won't ever be inclusive for all positions, but if someone like Kupp or Donald smashes the league; they deserve more than the silver medal award. 

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#6 by KnotMe // Nov 18, 2022 - 3:47pm

It does feel like there is a really small number of awards relative to the number of players.  Baseball has 9 starters, Basketball has 5,  Football has...22 and lots of positional diversity. 

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#4 by BlueStarDude // Nov 18, 2022 - 3:14pm

RE: "ranked choice voting and real second-team All-Pros"

Finally, no more 2nd team All Pro BS when no such thing existed! Good change.

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#5 by Chuckc // Nov 18, 2022 - 3:22pm

I feel pretty confident Russel Wilson still isn't going to get any MVP votes.

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#7 by KnotMe // Nov 18, 2022 - 3:47pm

This makes your guys jobs easier right?  You can probably do an extra 1 or 2 bits on the MVP now. 

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#9 by ImNewAroundThe… // Nov 18, 2022 - 4:47pm

Now everyone will be forced to include Tua.

Or bemoan positional value and move the goalposts.

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#11 by lauers // Nov 18, 2022 - 6:24pm

I'm not a huge college football fan, but love that they have awards for each position down to the punter. Maybe that's what All Pro is all about, but I love having the named trophies for each position.

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#13 by dbostedo // Nov 18, 2022 - 11:32pm

Well that's basically what the all-pro team is, right? The best at each position, although not individually named.

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#17 by DGL // Nov 19, 2022 - 12:03pm

Yes, this means I have to come up with two All-Pro long-snappers.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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