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01 Nov 2007

Seventh Day Adventure: Consulting the Guru

by Russell Levine

With college football set for the season's stretch run, it's time to start thinking BCS matchups. Ohio State leads a pack of four major-conference unbeatens, but all four have significant tests remaining.

LSU is in the pole position among teams that have been beaten once, followed closely by Oregon, and those teams will be involved in Saturday's two biggest games.

With the BCS headed for what could be a very controversial finish, I'm joined on this week's podcast by Sam Chi, who tracks the BCS standings at BCSGuru.com.

Chi is a former staff writer at several newspapers, including the San Francisco Chronicle/Examiner, where he covered the Pac-10 for a number of years. He has been around big-time college football seemingly his entire life, having attended high school in Ann Arbor and currently residing in SEC country in Florida.

Here are the games Sam and I will be discussing this week:

Nebraska (+19) at No. 8 Kansas, 12:30 p.m. ET, FSN

Kansas, aided by coach Mark Mangino's sartorial stylings, had little trouble dispatching Texas A&M in the second half and now finds itself a huge home favorite against reeling Nebraska.

The Huskers put up a pretty good fight at Texas last week before getting run over by Jamaal Charles in the fourth quarter. Tom Osborne is back as interim athletic director, and he's already dropping hints that Bill Callahan is on the way out.

Nebraska as a near three-touchdown underdog is an eye-opener, but it's possible the Huskers -- who have lost starting quarterback Sam Keller for the year -- don't have much fight left. Will they still play hard for Callahan? What about Osborne?

As for Kansas, a win here sets the Jayhawks on course to play Missouri for the Big 12 North title in the regular-season finale.

Navy (+3.5) at Notre Dame, 2:30 p.m. ET, NBC

Notre Dame is 1-7. Navy is a decent 4-4, but this is not a vintage Navy team. So why even bother with this game? The answer is as obvious as Notre Dame's 43-year winning streak over the Middies is long.

If Navy can't beat the Irish this year, it's possible it never will.

Notre Dame supporters have been patient with Charlie Weis to this point, and are confident better times are ahead. Others aren't so certain. Regardless of who's right, Weis could see the tide start to turn against him in a major way if he can't beat Navy.

Thanks to a soft late schedule, Notre Dame has a shot at a strong finish, but 2-10 is also a distinct possibility.

No. 12 Michigan (-4) at Michigan State, 3:30 p.m. ET, ABC/ESPN

A seven-game winning streak has Michigan in the BCS top 12. More importantly for Michigan fans, their favorite team has played itself back into having a meaningful season. Win their the final three games against Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State, and the Wolverines will go to the Rose Bowl. In fact, the Wolverines can go 2-1 and still end up in Pasadena as long as they beat Ohio State.

Michigan's Chad Henne and Mike Hart both sat out last week's win over Minnesota, but are expected to play this week. Hart's backups, Carlos Brown and Brandon Minor, each went over 100 yards against the Gophers, but Hart will carry the load if healthy.

This series has traditionally been decided by which team runs the ball better, and with Jehuu Caulcrick and Javon Ringer on the other side, this year should be no exception.

No. 3 LSU (-7) at No. 17 Alabama, 5 p.m. ET, CBS

The much-trumpeted Nick Saban bowl finally arrives. Beyond the hype, this is a huge game with SEC- and national-title implications.

For LSU, which will be without second quarterback Ryan Perrilloux after a FnDC incident this week, this weeks represents their best chance to impress. While the Tigers appear to be just a Boston College or Ohio State loss away from the title game, the winner of the Pac-10 showdown between Oregon and Arizona State could receive enough of a bump in the polls and the computers to surpass LSU in the BCS standings.

In other words, crazy brilliant uh, gutsy Les Miles is likely to "Let 'er rip" this week in an effort not only bury the ghost of Saban that continues to hang over his head, but impress the voters as well.

Alabama would control its own destiny in the SEC West with a win, a remarkable achievement in Saban's first year in Tuscaloosa.

Rutgers (+2.5) at No. 13 Connecticut, 6:15 p.m. ET, ESPNU

The Nutmeg State has suddenly discovered there is more to life than insurance, Indian casinos, women's basketball and, of course, Brass Bonanza. All it took was UConn's stunning win over South Florida at home last week, a victory which gave the Huskies control of the Big East race.

Things seem to be falling into place for UConn, which has already beaten Temple on a dodgy replay decision and Louisville thanks in part to the phantom fair catch. The Huskies might not need divine intervention to beat Rutgers, reeling after a 31-3 pummeling at the hands of West Virginia last week.

This game will provide a test of Rutgers coach Greg Schiano's mettle. Can he get his team ready to play after a huge disappointment last week? If so, he might just be able to ride Ray Rice to a win. If not, this game could go like many of the UConn-Rutgers meetings on the hardwood (at least on the men's side).

No. 4 Arizona State (+7) at No. 5 Oregon, 6:30 p.m. ET, ESPN/FSN local

Arizona State survived one game against a team that "warning, may contain football-like substance" by coming from behind to beat Cal at home last week. Things get an awful lot tougher this week at Autzen Stadium against Oregon, which may be the hottest team in the country.

The Sun Devils have to be concerned about the health of starting quarterback Rudy Carpenter, who has a sprained thumb on his passing hand, an injury has limited him in practice this week.

ESPN, proving that it does college sports better than anything else, swung an arrangement with FSN to air this game nationally, giving everyone a chance to evaluate the Sun Devils overall and Oregon quarterback Dennis Dixon's Heisman worthiness.

No. 9 Missouri (-4) at Colorado, 6:30 p.m. ET, FSN

Missouri appears headed for a season-ending showdown with Kansas to decide the Big 12 North title, but the Tigers need to be wary of pesky Colorado, which has been tough at home this season.

Dan Hawkins -- who is clearly coaching Division I football -- appears to be building a solid program from the wreckage of the end of the Gary Barnett era. (Note to self: When I finally get the chance to market my long-planned "Greatest Sports Meltdowns" DVD set, Hawkins must be included.)

Missouri will be without the services of one of its best defenders. Safety Cornelius "Pig" Brown tore his Achilles' last week and is lost for the season. (On a side note, how can a defensive back be named "Pig?" I would have thought that nickname was the exclusive property of offensive and defensive linemen.)

Florida State (+6.5) at No. 2 Boston College, 8 p.m. ET, ABC

Matt Ryan had his Heisman moment last week. The national media has collectively decided to forget that he was awful for 56 minutes against Virginia Tech, but the final touchdown pass, combined with the tackling of his coach in celebration, and the sideline vomiting has moved him to the front of the list.

Yet, even though Boston College is ranked second in the BCS standings, they are a long way from qualifying for the championship game. Florida State has designated this as a "sod game," and even though the Seminoles appear to be in disarray, it wouldn't be an absolute stunner if they came to Chestnut Hill and left with a chunk of the Eagles' FieldTurf.

More likely scenario: This will be a tight game until Drew Weatherford -- back in at starting quarterback for the Seminoles with Xavier Lee suspended -- throws the inevitable pick or three, allowing Ryan and the Eagles to pull away for the win. Put another way, Doug Flutie should really be enjoying himself on the ABC postgame show.

And yes, Sam and I tagged this game with the first dreaded "Double Edelstein" label of doom. So you can probably forget about everything in that last paragraph.

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Posted by: Russell Levine on 01 Nov 2007

127 comments, Last at 04 Nov 2007, 9:26pm by lionsbob


by The Boilermaster (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 7:17pm

Go BigXII north!

by hooper (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 7:28pm

Nebraska +19 at Kansas

Never thought I'd see that in my lifetime. I think I'll let that sit for a while.

by citizen jason (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 7:42pm

#2: I never thought of it that way, but I agree.

Is it just me, or is the BCS more depressing than normal this year? At least in past years it seems like at least one of what I thought of as the 2 best teams were in the championship game. I can't imagine a more pointless game than OSU-BC. Is there anyone who really thinks they are the 2 best teams?

by Dave (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 8:25pm

#3 - BC? Nope, and I won't be surprised if they suffer a random loss between now and the end of the year. And as a Big East fan, I'm hoping it's to some three or four loss team in the other division in the ACC title game :). Though that might make the Hawaii/Boise winner BCS eligible, so maybe not.

Ohio State, though, probably is. Or at least they're close enough that their presense in the title game won't be offensive.

And I don't like the idea of one-loss teams jumping undefeated major-conference teams for the BCS title game spot, so if BC and Kansas are the only ones left with no losses after the regular season (and their respective conference title games), then I'd say they deserve to be there.

I think that Oregon and LSU and Kansas and ASU and WVU (and probably a dozen or so other teams) are better than BC, and a real playoff would show it. However, given the nature of the BCS beauty contest, leaving out BCS conference undefeated teams unless it's unavoidable (because there are 3 or more) doesn't make much sense.

by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 8:33pm

It's still kinda shocking to me to hear all these accolades on the Ducks this season. Really, after last year no one thought we'd be this good. After Dixon went to baseball no one thought he'd be this good either.

I still don't think the Ducks are a national-championship caliber team. They make too many big mistakes on defense, they don't have that stellar of a defense, and they don't always have that killer instinct. But they're damn talented on offense at every position except WR (and that only because of injury), the defense is not doing hideously badly most of the time, they've got a very favorable schedule this year (only UCLA is on the road in terms of hard games, while USC, Cal and ASU all come to Autzen this year) and they're just damn fun to watch. Seriously, is there any offense more fun to just go look at than a spread offense when it's clicking?

That alone might win Dixon the Heisman if he goes all the way this year.

by hooper (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 8:57pm

Re: #3

This year, I think I'll pay more attention to conference championships than the BCS championship. Unless the title game happens to have two teams that create an intriguing matchup, it just won't be as interesting to me. Of course, in my twisted mind, the BCS games are nothing more than a convoluted way of making bowl game matchups; it's no different than any of the early 90's postseasons except with a lot more overhead. I'll watch the games and I'll pick a team to cheer for, but it won't mean anything special.

by Kevin 11 (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 9:34pm

I’m down to 7 - 2 against the spread on the board this year after Va Tech failed to recover an onside kick last week. This weeks pick is Baylor +21 vs Texas Tech.

#2- Agreed, and the line is down from 21 1/2. If I had gone into a coma ten years ago and found out that spread suring my first day of conciousness, I would have asked what year Nebraska got the death penalty.

(I know, I know...the year they hired Bill Callahan)

by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 10:32pm

Michigan is 12 in the BCS standings; Appalachian State is currently ranked 9 in whatever 1-AA is called now. If Michigan wins 2 or 3 more, and if App St loses to The Citadel, the Wolverines could easily end up ranked higher in Div 1 than App St in 1-AA.

Somehow, that seems wrong.

by Kevin 11 (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 10:45pm

9- Eh. Upsets happen in college football. Good teams lose weird games to crummy teams. No one complained too loudly when OU and USC were still ranked highly after losing to relatively weak teams.

Are there really, truly, more than 11 teams we're 100% sure should be ranked ahead of Michigan?

by Harris (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 11:20pm

Why is Glennon wearing a GT road jersey with his name written on the back in Sharpie?

by Harris (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 11:27pm

A better question, how does a DB named Pig not end up in the SEC?

by Rocco (not verified) :: Thu, 11/01/2007 - 11:34pm

10- Apparently 4 of the VT jerseys went missing from the visitor's locker room. A booster was able to get replacement jerseys for 3 of the players, but not Glennon. (Apparently the Glennon #7 isn't a big item in Blacksburg. Who knew.)

by hooper (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 12:42am

Re: 10, 12

If the purpose of somebody stealing the jerseys was to disrupt VTech, it didn't help GTech all that much. Somehow, I don't think GTech will be awarded over 24 bonus points for creativity. Still, that'll be one game Glennon never forgets. He'll have fun with his grandkids on that one.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 10:29am

dang, looks like Alabama will still be without the 5 suspended players-Caldwell and Coffee being the biggest ones not able to play. Not as big as Perrilloux missing the game and we now have 2 weeks practice thinking they would be gone.

by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 11:18am

I still don't buy Oregon as being all that good.

I find none of their wins impressive: they lost to a Cal team that's now 5-3 and beat a USC team that's only 6-2 but has struggled against nearly everyone they've played. Then they blew out a whole bunch of teams that probably shouldn't be playing Division I-A football (see Pac-10, rest of conference).

Anyone who uses the phrase "that Michigan win is looking more impressive each week" should be shot immediately - UM in weeks 1-2 was a totally different team than UM now.

I think Arizona State has been a lot more consistent this year than Oregon has and besides, I still hate Oregon for that complete BS officiating crap all over Oklahoma. I could never stand cheaters - still hate Ohio State for choking opposing players after tackles and Miami for, well, being Miami.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 11:58am

And Cal wasn't the Cal they are now when Oregon played them either.

Oregon may not be Championship caliber, but they are a solid 1 or 2 loss team this season.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 12:06pm

and how did Oregon cheat? I thought it was the officials that got it wrong, should they have said-"Sorry, ref you are wrong, give Oklahoma the ball instead."

by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 12:52pm

Eh, I don't blame the Oregon players, I blame the institution and the culture created by it. Because that call was so egregious, it's not even possible it was a mistake - it had to be done willfully by the officials. That's the most ridiculously bad call I think I've ever even heard about and if you've forgotten who bad it was, go watch some replays.

And I'm not saying Oregon should be unranked or anything like that, but there's no way you could convince me they're better than LSU after beating Arizona State. Top 25? Absolutely. Top 10? Maybe. Top 5? Not a chance.

by Yinka Double Dare (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 1:30pm

Ok, so what 5 teams would you rank ahead of Oregon, if they beat ASU? I get you think LSU is better, but what 4 teams? I can go with Ohio State, but beyond that you have a tough time convincing me of anyone else right now. BC is not terribly impressive, Kansas could be but they've played almost no one, Oklahoma lost to Colorado and had a war with Iowa State of all teams. At least Oregon is blowing out the crappy teams.

I have no vested interest in Oregon or the Pac-10, I just have a hard time figuring out what 5 teams you reasonably could think are better assuming, as you did, they beat ASU.

by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 1:44pm

#18: Part of the problem was the call on the field. The replay ref literally could not do anything about the bad call of who got the ball. It was a bad call, but bad calls happen to all teams, and I don't think it's reasonable to blame Oregon for it.

It's certainly not reasonable to conclude that because there was a bad call in a game last year that this year the Oregon team isn't that good. That's insane fan logic.

As to consistency: Oregon has been close in every single game against ranked teams it has played in this year and won two of the three games. (say what you will, but Michigan is ranked)On the road, it has outscored all opponents by something like 24 points per game on average. Against unranked teams, Oregon has beaten them by an average of 25 points. There have been no games where Oregon has eeked out a close win against a bad opponent. In terms of FO, Oregon has a ton of stomps, one domination and is 1-2 in Guts.

ASU is similar to this, but they're less consistent overall; they had to narrowly beat Washington State. The rest of the teams they've handled similarly to the Ducks, but that WSU win they won by 3 points. Yes, it was on the road, but the Ducks beat that same team 53-7.

The Ducks have less turnovers for the season, their QB has a much better TD-int ratio...tell me, Aaron, what is inconsistent about this Ducks team?

by Brooklyn Buckeye (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 3:25pm

RE: #15

When did you see tOSU choking players after tackles?

I've been watching the Bucks my entire life, and while there are a few years I didn't see many games due to my work schedule, I can't recall any isolated incidents -- let alone persistent behavior -- like the kind you're describing.

Doesnt' mean it didn't happen of course. Perhaps I've been watching games through crimson-tinted glasses...

by Brooklyn Buckeye (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 3:31pm

RE: #2

The only thing that would disappoint me more than an OSU-BC championship game would be the Buckeyes losing at the Big House and failing to make it to said championship game.

Personally, I'm really hoping for an LSU-tOSU match-up...I really think that beating a much-ballyhooed SEC team on their home turf is the only way the Buckeyes will regain some national respect after last year's debacle.

(Side note: Why is it that nobody ever mentions that Ted Ginn, Jr. got injured on the first play of the game? Not taking anything away from that great Gator team, but does anybody think that USC would have been the same team any year had Reggie Bush been injured during the national championship? Not that Ginn was as good as Bush per se, but he was the FASTEST player on the field, so it irks me when critics claim the Gators were too fast for the Buckeyes.)

Of course, I also think that a good national championship game could be made from any of tOSU, LSU, Oregon, WV or Oklahoma...win out and they would all be deserving of a chance at the trophy.

by Russell Levine :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 3:52pm

Re: 21

Hit youtube and search for Robert Reynolds. You'll find the choking incident in question. It was disgusting. I think even the Sweatervest had to knuckle under and sit him for a game after that.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 3:58pm


Robert Reynolds choking Jim Sorgi in 2003
from wikipedia:
injuring Sorgi's trachea, after the play had been whistled dead. Sorgi was unable to play for the remainder of the game, struggling to breathe and unable to speak

youtube video on my name.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 6:45pm

#22: Probably nobody mentions it because the Gators took the second half off and still won by almost 30. If Ginn doesn;t get hurt then you also have to assume the Gators keep their foot on the pedal all the way through the game. See how that works?

#s 23-24: Yes, I still and will probably always remember the Reynolds Incident. It's as disgusting as any on-field incident I've ever seen, and that includes the Haynesworth Headstomp. Reynolds was CLEARLY trying to choke Sorgi--there was absolutely no doubt about his intent--and I believe the officials completely missed it. That was the game that the Suckeyes lost after having a lengthy win streak and coming off their title (talk about bad calls!) and they deserved to lose based on that alone.

It's things like that and Clarett that reinforce my belief that TOSU is an institute of pure evil.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 6:55pm

Link to the wikipedia article in my name. My memory was right, it was the first game TOSU lost in a long time and the refs completely missed Reynold's attempted murder. But he got suspended for a whole game at least!

And right now Sorgi has a Super Bowl ring while Reynolds is on the verge of being out of the NFL entirely, if he isn't already. Karma might take awhile, but it has a way of coming through in the end.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 7:31pm

What's sad to say is, Reynolds probably wouldn't've even gotten a sniff of the NFL if it hadn't have been for that. I read one article where a GM said they didn't even have him on their draft board until that. But hey, character matters now, so that obviously wouldn't happen anymore... right? Right?

Other than that, I'm not sure what makes OSU an institute of pure evil. Reynolds - the officials didn't see it (nor did the OSU coaches at the time), but the team suspended him. Clarett - yeah, not really sure how he reflects on the university, any more than OJ makes USC a bastion of evil. Troy Smith - an incident that was self-reported (one booster turned in another), self-punished, and corrected. When confronted with rumor and allegation, their response was to completely open the records, make everyone available, and let the NCAA dig for whatever they wanted. They found absolutely nothing.

I'll take that track record over things like - just picking a school completely at random here, let's see... how about Alabama? If the whole Albert Means scandal wasn't enough - and frankly, that school-orchestrated fiasco should be enough to make Bama fans' faces match the uniform color - you have their fabulous record of compliance with the NCAA. Anyone comes asking questions - ignore, stonewall, or flat-out lie, and have the fans make death threats to the honest person who turned them in. But somehow OSU is a bastion of evil. Right. I'm not saying OSU is completely pure and innocent. I'm just mentioning there may be a little plankeye syndrome here. Just a tad.

On the other hand, I do completely agree with your complaint about the horrible call in the championship game against Miami. Completely blown. It was so obvious that Gamble had caught that ball, with both knees in, on that 3rd down play where a conversion would have allowed OSU to run out the clock and win in regulation. Absolutely horrible call. Fortunately, justice was served, and Ohio State was able to triumph in 2 overtimes, fair and square.

Oh, you're probably bitching about the other call. I partially agree - it was the wrong call. It should've been holding, as originally called, instead of PI. Of course, the end result of both penalties would've been the same. So, basically, you're whining for nothing.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Fri, 11/02/2007 - 7:35pm

Re #25
Aside from the controversial pass interference call against Miami, I'm not remembering any particular calls that went tOSU's way during the 2002 season. I'm not debating that team skated its way to an awful lot of close wins, merely that any were particularly ref-aided.

Rob Reynolds' Wikipedia page is old and incomplete. He was released by the Tennessee Titans this summer, and to the best of my (admittedly incomplete and un-researched) knowledge, has not been picked up by an NFL team. He has also had at least one, and I believe two, domestic violence problems, which might suggest that he has an anger management problem.

If the rule of major college athletics were "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," then no stone would ever be cast, a state of affairs that has been recognized for a rather lengthy period of time, as the existence of a Marx Brothers movie on the subject might indicate.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 1:12pm

I despise the "late hit on the QB" call when the defender hits him while he's still in bounds. Morelli just scrambled for a first down, then they got a cheap 15 when a defender didn't read his mind and know his next step would be out of bounds. I get the whole protecting the QB thing in the pocket and on turnovers, but when they run shouldn't they be treated the same as anyone else? Would that have been a late hit on a running back or receiver, seeing as how he was still in bounds? Of course not. Why is it a late hit on a QB who's about to run out? Stupid.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 1:19pm

Penn State's kick coverage doesn't appear very good. Their kicker seems pretty fast (for a kicker), though, nearly stopping the first TD and cutting off the returner on the second. But when you're relying on the kicker to maintain his coverage responsibilities, you got issues.

by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 1:23pm

I remember seeing Tim Tebow draw an even more egregious penalty by slowing to a walk and being smashed while still in bounds earlier this year.

My preference would be that if the QB wants to run the ball and not be hit, he can go to the ground before the defender arrives.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 1:42pm

What a crazy play. Purdue has it very close to the end zone, power run inside, the RB tries to stretch the ball over the goal line. A PSU LB (#45 - Lee?) hits him square and almost stops him, and with his left arm knocks the ball free (he'd been holding it with one hand) and recovers the fumble. Review doesn't overturn, and after getting absolutely shredded (Purdue waltzed down the field before the fumble), PSU gets the ball on their own 1. Pick six coming up? With Morelli involved, I'd say there's a 42% chance.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 1:44pm

Ah, two runs, then Morelli scrambles. And another late hit, although this one was pretty legit. Way to let them out of a hole, Purdue.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 2:04pm

tOSU got the ball first, and had a really impressive drive that ended in a TD pass from Boeckman to Robiskie. Since then, the offense hasn't had consistent success. It hasn't mattered too much, though, because Wisconsin's offense hasn't had consistent success, either-their FG came on a drive where they had a 31 yard pass on a fake punt. tOSU 7 - UW 3, 2Q 6:45.

One funny moment: all that stands between tOSU punt returner Roy Small is Wisky's punter. Small tries to avoid him, but slips out the cut. The punter goes over to help him up, and, also, point out to him that there's a flag about 45 yards upfield, so it didn't really matter that he slipped.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 2:18pm

Either the Purdue fumble woke the PSU defense up, or Bradley read them the riot act- completely different performance in the 2nd quarter. Maybe they just needed a quarter to shake off the beatdown from last week.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 2:19pm

Defense completely optional in Nebraska/Kansas. Has either team faced so much as a third down yet? By the way, where do you think Callahan will be next year (video linked to Osborne referring to the "new coaching staff")? I say he goes back to the NFL as an offensive coordinator.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 2:20pm

And as I write that, Nebraska almost throws an easy interception, then punts. Jabba the Coach finally woke up his defense, I guess.

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:06pm

Are the rules regarding incomplete/fumbles different incollege than in the NFL?

One of Purdue's WRs just caught a ball on the five (or so) and pushed his way into the end zone then lost the ball about two yards into the endzone as a Penn St player tackled him and he went to the ground. For my mind either a fumble or a score, but it can't be incomplete. Or am I wrong on the NCAA rules?

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:11pm

New Nebraska head coach: Bo Pelini or Will Muschamp?

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:14pm

Big plays in the passing game are coming from the Badgers and not the Buckeyes in the second half. Two big passes keyed a 92 yard TD drive to start the second half, and a big pass play on the next drive to set up the Badgers inside the 5 just paid off in a TD pass to the FB on 3rd down. Wisky 17 - tOSU 10, 3Q 6:53.

Oh, tOSU offense? Two problems:
1. Difficulty running the ball. This isn't one of those old tOSU offensive lines, that just blew people off the ball. There are a few yards available some plays, not much others. Good, but not dominant. Chris Wells, also, is a good back, but nothing special-I've never seen from him that special "it" factor that makes great running backs.
2. Difficulty passing the ball. That Todd Boeckman guy? He hasn't main any of the braindead throws that cost teams games, but that doesn't mean he's great. He's missed a number of throws today, most notably a deep ball late in the first half that Brian Hartline was able to snag but that was a TD with a better throw instead of the FG that resulted.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:22pm

These are the days you hate football. So far Wisconsin has three scoring drives, all significantly influenced by ridiculous plays. The fake punt, where the freaking punter drops a perfect throw between two defenders and the sideline for 31 yards. A wild throw off the back foot on 2nd and insanely long caught a sixteenth of an inch off the ground by a sprawling receiver in the end zone. Now a pass on 3rd and 16 where the receiver is completely locked up, but about six defenders run right by him and the tackler lets go. Three complete flukes right now are the difference between 10-0 (or possibly 10-3) and a 17-10 lead. Insane.

Still, it's a bit premature for the game-breaks from ESPN to be counting OSU out, I'd think. Mark May is already sporting his full 2-inch erection over the thought of the Buckeyes losing. It'd be such a disappointment to see that douche get disappointed again.

Oh, just like that, it's tied up. Suck it, May.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:26pm

In other news, Nebraska completely bites. They should have to play Notre Dame in the "how the mighty have fallen" bowl (I'd take Nebraska -22).

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:36pm

And Ohio State finally seems to realize that Wisconsin's defense ridiculously overpursues. That's why they couldn't defend against Illinois, and Chris Wells now has 2 20+ TDs on cutback runs. I guess I annoyed tOSU with my post on how their offense isn't that good, because they've now run the ball down the field on Wisconsin twice. tOSU 24 - Wisky 17, 4Q 14:18.

by Brooklyn Buckeye (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:40pm

RE: #23, etc.

Thanks for the info. I definitely did miss that season and, consequently, that play. It was disgusting. Outside of Albert Haynesworth's head stomping, the Reynolds choke is probably the worst play I've ever seen.

I still don't think tOSU is an institute of pure evil. I think Trogdor made the argument as good as anybody...it seems like a few unfortunate incidents as opposed to an institutionalized practice.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 3:57pm

Wisky fakes its second punt of the game from inside its own 30 after tOSU goes up 24-17, but this one is a punter run and is stuffed. Boeckman splits two receivers in the end zone, but Brian Robiskie makes a great catch, and it's 31-17. Next drive, a bad handoff between Donovan and RB Brown (subbing for an injured Hill, and not showing too much of a loss) sets up tOSU inside the Wis20. No TD, though, and Pretorious has his FG blocked. Still 31-17, tOSU lead, 8:20-ish to go.

by Eric J (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:01pm

Kansas 48, Nebraska 24. Halftime.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:08pm

Down two TD's with under seven minutes left, Wisconsin punts. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a healthy dose of runs, OSU will get two first downs before punting it back, and by that time it'll be too late for Wisconsin to do anything about it.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:17pm

Big choice for Purdue. With 1:53 left, kicking off down a TD, holding 2 timeouts. An onside isn't necessary, but kicking deep would require a 3-and-out, and they'd get it back with about a minute left.

They onside, with a formation that flaunts the "onside safety" rules, and Penn State rips the ball out of a Purdue player's hands to recover. A first down here ends it.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:18pm

Not quite, Trogdor. Buckeye 3&out, then Donovan gets crunched and loses the ball, Buckeyes recover, and Chris Wells into the end zone to make it 38-17. Good night, Alice, the party's over.

And I flip to FSN only to see Kansas put the ball into the end zone on their first possession of the second half. 55-31, 3Q 8:17. It looks like the most points Big Red has ever scored against the Jayhawks came in a 70-0 win in 1986. I suspect that we'll see Kansas surpass that total today, though they probably won't win by 70+.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:24pm

I've been wrong with so many guesses today. That seemed like a perfect spot for an OSU patented clock-killer drive that goes nowhere but effectively ends the game, followed by a soft zone that lets them march down the field but kills the rest of the time. It wasn't to be, but it worked out good all the same.

Major officiating error in PSU/Purdue. On Purdue's last drive, with just over 2 minutes left, they completed a quick out and the WR stepped out of bounds. For some reason, the officials ran the clock. Purdue had to blow a timeout, which they really, really could've used here.

And another clock problem screws Purdue. PSU runs on 3rd and 7-ish; the clock was stopped before the snap. They're stopped just short, but get called for a hold. Purdue accepts the penalty, and for some reason the clock runs before the snap. WTF? By committing a penalty, PSU was able to run an extra 25 seconds off the clock! Since the clock had been stopped before that play, shouldn't it have been stopped before the penalty-induced do-over?

With the missing TO, and those extra 25-ish seconds, Purdue could do a whole lot more. As it is, they've gotten out to the 40, but only seven seconds remain.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:27pm

Another quick out with no defender in sight, and Purdue crosses the 50 with 3 seconds left. Hail Mary time. Excellent protection from six blockers on four rushers (stonewalled without holding), but the pass is knocked down, and Penn State holds on. Now all their classy fans can get in groups of hundreds and assault small groups of Purdue fans as they walk by.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:35pm

Kansas is over 60, and the 3rd quarter isn't close to over yet. Does anyone feel the least bit of pity for Nebraska?

And a turnover gives it to Kansas inside the 30. A run on 3rd and 1 gains about 10 before anyone even touches him. Looks to be 69 (heh heh) soon. Take that back - it'll be 69 after this extra point. I can't type as fast as Nebraska can give up big plays! This is sweet.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:38pm

I am beginning to sort of feel bad for Nebraska. come on 69 points (thank you missed extra point) and the 4th quarter has not even begun yet. You see what happens when you use to run the score up on people.

by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:38pm

I guess we shouldn't forget though, that Kansas has given up 31 points. Obviously the score differential looks good for them, but this may cast some doubt on their defense.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:52pm

52- None at all. And I'm not even a Big 8/12 person.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:58pm

TD, McAnderson! With the XP, that's 76-31. 76 is more points than Nebraska has ever scored against Kansas, and more points than Nebraska has ever given up in their history. C'mon, Jayhawks, you have 11 minutes to score 24 and hit 100!

by Kevin 11 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 4:58pm

39- Supposedly AD Tom Osborne wants a "Nebraska Guy", so much so that Buffalo's Turner Gill and North Dakota State's Craig Bohl are in the running. Navy's Paul Johnson has also been mentioned.

My guess is that Nebraska will make Callahan's firing official within the next 48 hours.

by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 5:11pm

Wow... insane suplex-like tackle by Nakamura in the Cincy-USF game, followed by blocked punt recovered for a touchdown. Cincy 17-14.

by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 5:17pm

Grothe throws the pick-6.

by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 5:51pm

Notre Dame is actually going to be forced to out-score Navy to win. This defense is truly, epically putrid. I can only hope the Navy fullbacks will get so tired running over and past ND's defense that they're just too tired to keep scoring points.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:11pm

Aaaaand Navy misses an extra point.

That could be trouble.

by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:18pm

I was going to ask why, on a day they've been mauling Navy, is ND passing. Then they allow a sack and fumble return for a TD. Chuck better start working on his resignation letter. Jesus Fucking Christ.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:19pm

And, Navy recovers a Sharpley fumble, and runs it in for a touchdown! They're going for 2 to go up by a touchdown.

And it's good! Navy up by 7, 10 minutes to go.

by seven year lion (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:21pm

Nah, Charlie's fine. I have it on good authority that the fumble was Ty Willingham's fault.

by Russell Levine :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:22pm

I don't think it's possible to feel sorry for Nebraska. They once beat Kansas 36 times in a row. Here are some scores from that streak:


by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:38pm

And Notre Dame marches almost effortlessly down the field to score, including a pass on 4th and 14 on which Navy had Sharpley in their hands...and the pass was completed.

3 minutes and change remaining, tie game.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:43pm

Put me firmly in the ranks of people who feel no sympathy whatsoever for Nebraska, whose '95 team was the equivalent to the '07 Pats, with Osborne playing the role of Belichick and merrily running up the score whenever he had the chance. I absolutely despised them then, and watching karma pay them back now is only right and just.

I take no special or particular ecstasy in it mind you, only a sense of "now things are even".

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:44pm

It drives me nuts when the announcers are saying things like "3 minutes left, maybe they should play for overtime."

And it permeates all levels. I recall Madden saying it during the Super Bowl when the Patriots were driving for a winning kick.

If you're on your own 4 yard line, maybe play for OT if there's a few seconds left. If there's 3 minutes, you go for the win!

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:45pm

Note to Navy - on 3rd and 15, don't throw for 4 yards to a receiver with defenders swarming around him.

ND could end up taking this on a last chance field goal.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:48pm

Stupid Navy...best chance to beat Notre Lame they'll ever have and they're going to blow it because they actually passed.

Don't look now, but after being ranked #2 at one point South Florida is on its way to a third loss.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:48pm

Aaaaaand Navy punts it right to the best player on Notre Dame's team, who promptly returns it to within a few yards of field goal range.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:52pm

At least Navy is fighting and competing and will force Notre Lame to try the FG. LOL@whoever the moron screaming "go for it!" was.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:53pm

And Notre Lame actually LISTENS to the moron (was that Weis?) and gets stuffed. OMG.

Openly rooting for Navy to kick a FG and win this in regulation now. If this goes to OT they're done.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:53pm

I think Weis locked up the JLS trophy. Why don't you kick, for God's sake?

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:54pm

Sorry, Charlie. ND passes up a FG from 42-ish with :50 left to go for it on 4&8. And a Navy defender hurdles the ND RB, to sack Sharpley. Looks like we're heading to OT.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:54pm

Notre Dame is within their kicker's field goal range. He's made it from 48, and they're closer than that.

It's 4th down.

4th and 8 yards.

There's 40 seconds to go.

And Weis goes for it.

And Sharpley is sacked.

I don't care if Notre Dame wins or loses, Weis just won the John L. Smith Trophy. Locked it up. That's worthy of renaming it the Weis Award.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:55pm


by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 6:56pm

Seriously, Navy deciding to pass might have actually locked up a win for ND in regulation anyway. THIS is why some people call for teams to play for OT.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:18pm

Did the kicker run over Weis's dog or something? Weis bypasses the FG again to go for it on 4&inches from the 15 in the second OT-this is more defensible than bypassing the FG in regulation, but still a call you wouldn't see very many coaches make.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:19pm

OK, it's 4th and 1, in overtime, Notre Dame has the ball, on the 15 yard line.

And Weis goes for it.

Notre Dame gets the 1st down, but I just have to wonder - is his kicker injured? Dead? He's essentially saying that he has no faith whatsoever in his kicker, if his kicker is healthy.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:20pm

"He’s essentially saying that he has no faith whatsoever in his kicker, if his kicker is healthy."

I think he's saying he doesn't trust his defense to hold Navy to a FG. I can't say he's wrong.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:23pm

And, Walker, not allowed to kick the field goal from the 25 to win in regulation, not allowed to kick it from the 15 yard line in overtime, is finally allowed to kick it from the 10 or so.

ND is up by 3, and Navy is taking the field in the second overtime.

I need to do things. But I can't. This game is waaaaaay too exciting.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:30pm


Gutsy play call by Navy to start the 3rd overtime - 1st and 10, 25 yard line, and they throw for the end zone.

Now it's time for the 2-point conversion...and it's good!

Time for Notre Dame.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:39pm

Notre Dame: bailed out by a highly questionable DPI on 4th down on the 2-pt conversion in the 3rd OT. Even the homer announcers don't think it's a penalty!

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:40pm

And Notre Dame scores!

Time for them to try the 2-point conversion.

And it's NO GOOD!

But there's a flag on the play. Reminiscent of Ohio State/Miami haha. Pass interference. Pretty light on interference I think, but it meets the textbook definition.

Notre Dame gets one more chance.


by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:40pm

Re #84
Note to self: no such thing as "4th down on the 2-pt conversion." Also, ND stuffed on re-try. Navy wins, 46-44!

by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:40pm

Navy wins, despite efforts by refs to penalize good pass defense.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:40pm

Freaking sweet.

by joe football (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:46pm

I almost forgot in all the excitement and pageantry of college football:

IRC football chat at cognet.catch22.org, #fo

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:49pm

I...I can;t believe they pulled it off..The way this season's been going personally for me, I could've sworn Notre Lame was going top pull it off after it went to OT so I stopped watching. I'm overjoyed to know that even with the officials' help they lost.

And remember, Weis has a ten year deal :-) And um...everything that's happened this season is all Willingham's fault! Yeah!


by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:51pm

Don't look now, but Michigan-Michigan State is going down to the wire and giving Russell palpitations. Although considering the Spartans are the kings of choking, maybe not :-)

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:51pm

Someone should tell Matt Flynn to stop throwing to the guys wearing red jerseys. That's 3 picks in the 1st half, and LSU can't pull him since Perilloux is an idiot.

Also, MSU is trying to blow a 10 point lead to Michigan after the Wolverines blew a 14-3 lead.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:58pm

3rd and 12. Why in the world are you in single coverage on Mario Manningham? Jump-ball to Manningham makes it 28-24 with 2:28 left.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 7:58pm

And cue the blown ten point lead by the Spartans in 5 minutes. Kings of choking I tell ya.


by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:01pm

#92: It just wouldn't be right for LSU to be the only SEC team with just one loss (overall, not in conference) and every time Dick Satan has faced Miles in any capacity, his team has won.

Kids, this is why being a thug is so stupid. People in charge, this is why character matters and why too many thugs on a team only leads to underachievement and losses.

by Eric J (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:05pm

Oklahoma State misses a go-ahead FG with 1:15 left, after blowing a 21-point lead against Texas. Seems like this has happened before...

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:10pm

Nobody, but NOBODY chokes like Michigan State though. Choking against one opponent every year is nothing compared to this.

There's just something about a team that opens with a loss to Appalachian State and responds the next week by losing at home by 31 being in position to possibly win their conference and play in a BCS bowl that just isn't right.

And then there are the Vols, who have THREE blowout losses and are somehow going to play for the SEC title. Just ridiculously absurd.

by Eric J (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:14pm

And Texas nails the field goal as time expires. This is what, the third time in 5 years that OSU has blown a 21+ point lead against them?

by Bill (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:27pm

I think Arizona State might be digging themselves too big of a first-half hole this time...

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:28pm

can someone please give me a few pointers on IRC?

I googled IRC which brought up something called mirc which I downloaded and ran. I am now fairly confused as i appear to only be able to log on to 'undernet.eu' or something. Help would be appreciated.

by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:50pm

You need to log into a particular server, then join the channel you are looking for.

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:54pm

Have I downloaded the right program?

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:56pm

LSU may have caught a break there. That could have gone either way, IMO.

by NewsToTom (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 8:57pm

mIRC works-that's what I use.

by joe football (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 9:00pm


Type in the status window '/server cognet.catch22.org', then type '/join #fo'

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 9:02pm

I don't appear to be able to log onto a server, they all come up 'unable to resolve server' any suggestions? Anone know a working server?

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 9:11pm

It has now tried to connect to the /cognet.catch22.org about ten times. It seems that I am not meant to use IRC.

Oh and Saban seems like a right d*$!head. Yeah great stuff you coached Alabama to a score, you thought Culpepper was a better QB than Brees, f**ked up your franchise and then bolted.

by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 9:39pm

I love college football, but Bama-LSU is probably going to run over 4 hours. Can we revisit some of the game-shortening rules in the offseason?

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 10:04pm

Has there ever, in the history of football, been a team that's converted as many 4th downs in a single season as LSU?

This is a team that by rights should have 3 losses, and yet people are talking about them like they're shoo-ins for the title game.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 10:08pm

Okay, LSU is officially the Luckiest Team Ever.

The sad part is, even WITH all this incredible luck, Les Miles STILL managed to lose a game with this bunch. And they'll win in spite of him tonight.

by Jimmy (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 10:27pm

Never saw the guy play before tonight (I am a Britisher) but I have discovered what a great many of you already knew, Glenn Dorsey is an animal. Thoroughbred beast.

by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 10:31pm

Dennis Dixon, starting QB and Heisman Trophy candidate, is writhing in pain, holding his knee and ESPN is talking about fucking mascots.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 10:53pm

#112: Considering who's announcing, are you really shocked at that? At least Patrick isn't going off on another Britney Spears rant.

If I was a voter I'd have to jump Oregon over LSU after what I saw today. LSU is NOT the 2nd best team in the nation, even for this season. They're the luckiest team definitely, but there's way too much reliance on 4th down magic and they're always winning in spite of themselves. Les Miles is a certified doofus who's just happened to have his team bail him out no matter what call he makes.

Oregon on the other hand is a bad break away from being unbeaten and is dismantling a formerly unbeaten team themselves in ASU.

by jtp (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 11:35pm

It looks like Matt Ryan is trying to lay the groundwork for another "Heisman moment" tonight.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 11:50pm

The South Carolina-Arkansas game is ridiculous. Every time the Gamecocks score a TD, Arkansas immediately answers with one right back.

Too bad I can't see BC-FSU on TV...

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 11/03/2007 - 11:57pm

The FSU punter just dropped one of the best punts you'll ever see. It hit the ground and just spun to a stop inside the two. Good decision by the returner to let it go - you can't fault a guy for not wanting to make a fair catch on such a long punt inside the ten. How that ground to a halt there, I still don't know.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 12:04am

What a ridiculous turn of events for FSU. After the aforementioned amazing punt, they narrowly missed a safety on 1st down (inside the 1), then two incompletes later, BC punts from a very short snap. The FSU returner fields it cleanly, runs almost straight ahead well into BC territory - then fumbles.

Oh, wow. Somehow, with about seven BC players around the ball (compared to maybe 2 FSU players within ten yards), the Seminoles recover. I still don't believe it. OK, maybe this wasn't such a ridiculous turn of events for FSU after all - because they're again incredibly lucky.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 12:16am

Trogdor, when you use the words "incredibly lucky" in a sentence LSU HAS to be the team you're describing. Because nobody else this season has even come close to being as lucky as they have. Oh sure, some teams might get lucky for a play here or there, but that's nothing compared to Les Miles's bunch, who make winning in spite of themselves an art form.

by jtp (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 1:01am

This is all Russell's fault. He's the one who had to give this game the dreaded "Double Edelstein" of Doom.

by DolFan 316 (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 1:04am

#119: I'd forgotten about that! Of all the teams to end BC's dream it has to be the Noles?!

FSU has lost at least once to every other ACC team I believe but they always beat BC. I just don't get it.

by Kevin 11 (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 12:23pm

My Meaningless Top 25:

1. LSU
2. Oregon
3. Ohio State
4. Kansas
5. Oklahoma
6. West Virginia
7. Missouri
8. Arizona State
9. Boston College
10. Michigan
11. Auburn
12. Virginia Tech
13. Georgia
14. Southern Cal
15. UConn
16. Florida
17. Clemson
18. Penn State
19. Florida State
20. Texas
21. Virginia
22. Alabama
23. Cincinnati
24. Illinois
25. California

Despite having one loss each, Oregon and LSU both have more quality wins than tOSU. However, if tOSU and Oregon both win out, tOSU will pass Oregon with wins over Michigan and Illinois.

There’s a huge gap between #3 and #4.

In the real world, unless both LSU and Ohio State win out, prepare yourselves for another mind-numbing BCS controversy, as there will be several one-loss teams that will have an argument for the #2 slot. Even if they don’t win out, there isn’t much separating LSU from Oregon right now, and if Oklahoma wins out they’ll have a strong case.

I seriously doubt Kansas will win out, but then again I didn’t think they’d be 9 – 0 with Iowa State on deck after hanging 76 on Nebraska. Would KU have a strong enough schedule for consideration to play for the National Title if they beat Missouri and Oklahoma? Probably not.

by Woz (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 2:53pm

Same Pro-Weis blog, post-Navy game = Slightly different tone.

by kyle (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 3:27pm

#67- that running up the score was being done by Matt "Turmanator" Turman... the Nebraska third-string QB. Osborne was always quick to put the backups in, it just rarely did anything to stop the score gap from widening into a gulf.

as a 'skers fan, i'm pretty resigned to a miserable end to the season. i kind've like the way our misfortune is testing our fans; it's hard to be a good fan when your team is so bad, and it's becoming evident as our fans turn on each other. i'll be in the stands this coming saturday, though, watching k-state have their best offensive game of the year, and watching Hollywood Joe Ganz try to keep up like he did against Reesing.

anyhow, i don't think nebraska fans want pity. at least none of the ones i know. we just want a program with swagger back. go big red.

by sundown (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 3:41pm

122: Thanks for posting.

This season has went from "rebuilding" to potentially being "definitive." The ND mystique slips away a little more every week and ending a 43-game winning streak signifies that as good as anything.

How much better will they have to be next season? 5-6 wins would be a huge improvement, but would still leave them as nothing more than a middle-of-the-road team. And that would be 4 years into the Weis era.

My guess is if they don't hit double digit wins within the next two years, Weis will be history.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 5:05pm

I was prepared to lose to LSU, but it still killed me to lose. I get to take consolation in the fact that Alabama will never be that out-talented again. LSU loses Doucet, Flynn, Hester, Dorsey, Highsmith, Steltz, Zenon,Jackson, Pittman, Stewart, and Arnold. And they might lose a couple of early decision guys like Tyson Jackson. Alabama loses 3 starters of consequence....it will be interesting to see in the long run (and I don't expect Alabama to beat LSU every season now either...)

by Matt (the Clemson one) (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 5:15pm

Sweet....Daddy Bowden comes through again. Clemson can take the Coastal Division by winning out. Home and home against WF and BC.

Delusional optimism is a wonderful feeling.

by lionsbob (not verified) :: Sun, 11/04/2007 - 9:26pm


It did not help that there was I think 5 Instant replay check-ups (2 of which I was surprised were overturn, but that was neither here nor there..) and I think 4 injury timeouts.