Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 14 Open Discussion Thread

* Thursday, Dec 4
o Oakland at San Diego, 8:15 pm
* Sunday, Dec 7
o Washington at Baltimore, 1:00 pm
o Jacksonville at Chicago, 1:00 pm
o Minnesota at Detroit, 1:00 pm
o Houston at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
o Cincinnati at Indianapolis, 1:00 pm
o Atlanta at New Orleans, 1:00 pm
o Philadelphia at N.Y. Giants, 1:00 pm
o Cleveland at Tennessee, 1:00 pm
o Miami at Buffalo, 4:05 pm
o Kansas City at Denver, 4:05 pm
o N.Y. Jets at San Francisco, 4:05 pm
o St. Louis at Arizona, 4:15 pm
o Dallas at Pittsburgh, 4:15 pm
o *New England at Seattle, 8:15 pm
* Monday, Dec 8
o Tampa Bay at Carolina, 8:30 pm


by joe football (not verified) :: Thu, 12/04/2008 - 7:34pm

Be sure to join a star-studded cast of your favorite FO posters for IRC football chat! There's a change this week, due to a power-hungry Fnor forcing a movie to his server. The new server is bendenweyr.dyndns.org, channel still #fo

Brief tutorial for the IRC-shy:

- Download mIRC from mIRC.com
- type /server bendenweyr.dyndns.org into the status window
- type /join #fo

by el plaga :: Thu, 12/04/2008 - 9:21pm

asomugha got beat in the first series for a big pass-interference penalty. way to not earn your rep on a primetime game.

by Key19 :: Thu, 12/04/2008 - 9:24pm

The worst part was the it was still caught by the receiver. Sad, sad times.

by BucNasty :: Thu, 12/04/2008 - 10:10pm

Remember, these two teams came into this game seperated by only one win. Who was in coverage, anyway?

by ChargerKev (not verified) :: Fri, 12/05/2008 - 12:50am

Why can't we play the Raiders every week.

by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 1:29pm

I can't wait to see how the playoffs shake out today.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:06pm

Despite the opponent being the Lions, and the Vikings not having suspensions, I still get nervous over games like this. Its in the Vikings history to blow games like this (e.g., vs Green Bay in 1988, which cost the Vikes (11-5) the division title, Green Bay was 4-12 that year with half those wins vs Minnesota).

The game opens with a one yard Peterson run, then the Lions call timeout on prior to the second snap.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:09pm

Good to see that the Eagles D is already self-destructing with 2 penalties on the first drive of the game, although good forcing of the 12-yard loss on the end around.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:14pm

And a Vikings drive ends with another Frerotte sack. Last time the played the Lions were all over him, looks like they picked right back up. None of the gaping holes they had vs the Titans were evident on that first drive.

Kluwe comes in and again can't catch a break. He nails a punt to about the 2, it bounces straight up and holds there, and the first viking down toes the goal line as he hits it back, touchback.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:17pm

Culpepper avoids 3 unblocked rushers, loops around and makes a huge 30 yard completion.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:22pm

Sigh, the Lions marching right down the field on the Vikings. Wonder how much of a distraction that court thing was.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:23pm

Gah! Don't run trick plays! Gah!

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:24pm

Vikings defensive line called for 3 offsides on first drive. Last one gave Detroit first and goal.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:31pm

To their credit, Eagles D is doing a great job right now of limiting the damage from the Giants run game.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:33pm

And Frerotte promptly throws an interception. The Lions have now three interceptions all year. Two of them on Frerotte. You can just feel the Vikings are going to lay a huge egg here....

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:35pm

Vikings commit a fourth offsides, this one wiping out an interception. They are not ready to play.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:37pm

The offensive playcalling of the Eagles continues to baffle me.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:39pm

I can imagine Andy Reid is saying "you want me to run, fans? Okay, we'll run!"

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:26pm

Wow, that was a nice throw by Eli- he practically gifted an INT there but got away with it.

by cd6 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:38pm

That was the worst attempt at an end around I've seen in awhile. Egads Eagles.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:38pm

Holy Crap! Akers nails a 51-yd FG INTO THE WIND at the Meadowlands! Wow! Considering he's missed so many kicks at the Meadowlands recently, that's got to be huge for his confidence.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:43pm

Lions drive down go red zone aided by numerous penalties, but end with a field goal. Vikings fortunate to be down only 6-0.

by cd6 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:44pm

The "The Giants won't miss Plaxico at all" crowd just sat back down for awhile after that horrific drop by Hixon on a sure thing 85 yard touchdown pass.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:46pm

Did I really just say the Eagles D was doing a good job of limiting the Giants run game?

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:48pm

I refuse to watch the Eagles unless and until they make the playoffs. That said, I'm learning I really hate "Caillou."

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:53pm

That song just gets in your head like a brain worm, doesn't it?

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:03pm

It's not that, it's that he's such a whiny little twerp. I want to slap him around until he toughens up.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:11pm

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. *I* want to slap him and tell him to grow a set, and I'm a girl.

by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:50pm

Saints' fans boo Deuce McAllister when he comes into the game.

by cd6 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:52pm

They're saying "Deeeeuuuuuuuce"

Or "Booo-urns"

by Bobman :: Mon, 12/08/2008 - 12:48am

Hey, I didn't even see the game, it's six hours later, and I'm in my home office yelling "Boo-urns!" Just seems like the right thing to do.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:37pm

you don't watch NFL much do you?
(They always explain that the public yells 'deuce' and not 'boo')

by BucNasty :: Mon, 12/08/2008 - 6:56am

Mostly at bars where it's tough to hear the announcers, if the game even has volume.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:52pm

Hoo baby! Eagles special teams block a Giants FG attempt! Score still 3-0 Eagles! I know this won't last, but I'm savoring it for now.

by cd6 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:55pm

I could watch that replay all day.
Not often you see a blocker JUMP OVER the guards, then stand up to block the FG.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:57pm

That was an incredible play by Trent Cole.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 2:53pm

And Peterson fumbles second time in first half. Deja vu... might be overturned though.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:07pm

Goster Cherilous took Jared Allen's knee out on a low hit way below the play. Looks bad. Allen was furious, had to be restrained going after the lions even while injured. A brawl broke out on the next play.

Jared Allen might be done for the year.

One of the lions was ejected.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:08pm

Goster cherilous, who was on the ground, put his helmet right on Jared Allen's knee. Allen wsa pursuing the play about 15 yards away from the ball.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:10pm

Vikings seem fired up anyway, and from that play with 3rd and 1, they stuff Lions twice and get the ball back on downs.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:10pm

Whatever moementimum is thrown away as Frerotte comes right back out and throws another interception.

by David Kelly (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:12pm

Cherilous should get done real bad..... that's complete crap. They should put a hit on him. Seriously.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:12pm

Okay, where's this LJ Smith been hiding?

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:12pm

Oh, and Frerotte got hurt, being looked at.

This is just a nightmare game for the Vikings.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:15pm

Jared Allen got a shot of something and insisted on going back out there...

by Brian Westbrook (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:17pm

See ya!

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:18pm

Gus Frerotte carted off. Tarvaris Jackson warming up.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:23pm

Lions once again go for it on 4th down from the 5, and 4th and inches try to sneak Culpepper right at Pat Williams. Not even close.

Tarvaris jackson comes out and takes a knee. Halftime, Detroit 6, Minnesota 3.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:29pm

And the Eagles, as always, make me regret turning on the game.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Crus :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:36pm

Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory - is that a skill?

It figures that when Akers hits a 51yd FG in the Meadowlands in swirling winds AND the Eagles block a Giants FG that the Eagles ST jinx would have a nuclear option waiting to surprise the fans. That and the Eagles 2 minute drill demon.

Eagles 32yd FG is blocked, about 3 Eagles have a chance to tackle the recovering Giant and whiff, returned for TD by the Giants, end of Half.

by el plaga :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:32pm

Wait i'm just checking the score on my computer in the library, did the eagles really let the giants return a field goal for a td with under 10 seconds left.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:37pm

Yes, and it's the second time it's happened THIS SEASON. This team doesn't need a new coach, it needs an exorcism.

by Dave51 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:38pm

What's the record for most blocked FGs returned for TDs allowed in a season?

by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:47pm

What's the records for blocked FG in a GAME?

by Flagstaff :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:39pm

Did anybody notice that the clock stopped after that run by Westbrook at :21? Why? It stopped long before McNabb spiked the ball to stop it (again) after it was re-started.

Jacks RULE!

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:49pm

Vikings come out fired up in second half. Culpepper fumbles inside the 5 but Lions recover, and get off a 65 yard punt. Vikigns march down behind Peterson and Taylor. Tarvaris did get one first down on a throw, too.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:56pm

Further self-destruction, Vikings get a 3-and out with a sack, but are called for a penalty. On the next play Culpepper hits Calvin Johnson for a 70 yard TD.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 3:57pm

FIRE SEGRIST. NOW. Make his as walk back to Philadelphia.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by RickD :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:01pm

The Eagles are really putting on a clinic on how to dominate a game without building a huge lead.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:14pm

Yeah, I'm wondering where the hell this team has been all season, and when the wheels are going to fall off the bus.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:21pm

They've somehow, at least for today, converted themselves into a team that is willing and able to grind it out. If not for the damned FG team, I'd be able to relax.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:36pm

Its been the same team all season, you guys just love to complain...

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:15pm

Some really terrible officiating/commentating today as usual.

Gumball thinking that little dump to the Jags RB in the left flat as being complete was classic.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:17pm

Westbrook 165 yards. Giants 115 yards.


by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:19pm

WOOOOO! TD Westbrook!

Is there any way the Eagles could clone him for when he can't play anymore? His importance to this team just can't be overstated.

Westbrook is now Eagles all time leader in yards from scrimmage.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:26pm

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGH. Dawk sitting under a duck by Manning only to have Samuel knock it away. Who has more INTs dropped, Romo or Manning?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:28pm

I know! Dawk had his eye on that thing the whole way and Samuel had to jump in front of him. Damn it.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:27pm

That spot was terrible

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:30pm

Eli Manning has resumed his Deer in the Headlights expression/play.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:30pm

So has the "Eli Manning for MVP" bandwagon a) hit a telephone pole, b) hit a tree, or c) been driven into a lake today? Of course, if the Giants come back to win, we'll hear all about how Eli is a winner and his craptacular day will be forgotten.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:32pm

I'd say a tree.

by Purds :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:14pm

I don't know about MVP talk, and I was watching while working out so I didn't see the whole game, but his receivers had two really bad/crucial drops that could have changed things considerably: Hixon dropped a sure bomb TD, and I'm not sure who it was but a receiver dropped a perfectly thrown 3rd down pass which would have kept either the first or second Giants drive of the 2nd half alive. I don't care about MVP, but I did notice that those two passes could have changed things quite a bit.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:34pm

Mobile Matt Ryan for a rushing TD.


by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:34pm

Seriously, who is this LJ Smith and where has he been hiding for the last several years? Did aliens take over his body?

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:37pm

What's the expression about blind critters and acorns ?

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:39pm

Not familiar with that one...

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:38pm

Where has this team been all year? Good with the run, good on third down, good in short yardage, no turnovers, solid rush defense, McNabb running successfully. They’re trying to kill us. That’s the only thing that makes any sense.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:48pm

Just an random hypothesis, but I think this is the same Eagles team you have been seeing all year (which is a good team that has had some bad luck).

Today maybe they go 8 or 11 or third down or something instead of 6 of 11 (just an example, havent watched that game so dont know what their performance has been on 3rd down), and suddenly they go from "OMG they are so horrible I cannot watch them and want to fire andy reid and burn Mcnabb alive", to "wow if they played like this all year they would be 9-3 and i would be talking about westbrook for MVP and wear green every sunday".

Except they have played like this all year. It is the exact same team. Football is very random and a very small number of plays can make a huge difference in the outcome, particularly in games where the margin of victory is less than 7.

Killing yourself over a win here and a win there is really silly, you might as well kill yourself over die rolls or lottery numbers. What you should care about is that they play better than 8 of every 10 other teams and in the league. That is what is an indicator of success.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:40pm

ATL kickoff coverage = terrible failure.

Reggie Bush gets away with spiking the ball OOB after a play.

by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:40pm

WHen is NO going to learn that Bush is not a running back. I have been watching snipets of that game here and there and almost every time it is an unsuccessful play it is a run to Bush (failed 2pt conversion, no gain on 2nd and 4 etc.)

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:41pm

ATL LB #59 has just surpassed Ike Taylor for "Worst hands in NFL history with a critical game winning INT on the line"

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:41pm

In other news, it's windy at the Meadowlands today.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:45pm

Wow, that was some great effort by Pierre Thomas.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:55pm

Gah, stupid PI penalty on Toastolio Hanson. Sheesh.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:56pm

Why? WHY? Must they make me sweat every damned win?

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:02pm

Yes, they must. It's the Eagles. Dude, haven't you learned by now?

Can't wait for the Steelers v. Dallas. Should be a great game - looking forward to watching the Steelers D slap them around. My brother hates the Steelers (why, I'm not sure) but as he told me, "I would root for Satan himself against the Cowboys."

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:12pm

Not possible. Satan is the Cowboys' owner.

Are you going to the meet-up at Chickie's and Pete's next week? You're single woman now; gotta start making all those drunken mistakes you've been avoiding the past few years.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:20pm

Well, close enough to single...divorce is final in January. But that's no reason to be stupid. ;-)

I haven't decided on the meet-up at Chickie and Pete's but it sounds like a lot of fun. Are you going?

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:53pm

Planning to. It's not far from the Nefarious Lair and it should be a good time if the Eagles are riding a three-game winning streak.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:58pm

Tom Coughlin has that "I'm dangerously close to a stroke" look.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 4:59pm

Oh, we are breaking out every single flavor of jam tonight! We are using flavors that don't even exist.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Crus :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:17pm

If there are any flavours that are UK specific then I'd send you some after that win!

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:27pm

I'm sure there must be something. Peanut butter-and-corn, catfish, pork-and-strawberry. I'm convinced the British conquered the world only because they were searching for a good meal. Little known fact, the Hundred Years War started because the French wouldn't share a recipe for coq au vin.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:03pm

Man, I'm glad my CBS affiliate is showing us every second of Titans-Browns. No sense in switching over to Houston-GB or anything. Jackasses.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:09pm

With Houston coming into Lambeau and winning, I might have to change my "most disappointing team this year" vote from the Chargers to the Packers. Yeesh.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:29pm

Captain Epps and the mighty Arians squad with a boring, predictable drive that stalls out and settle for an unmakable FG attempt

*2 thumbs down*

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 5:57pm

Wow the Seahawks were just called for PI because they had the nerve to let Randy Moss keep pushing against the defender. Led to a Pats TD. About what we expect in this town this year. Seattle '08, catch the magic!

by Purds :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:16pm

No kidding. And, after the reffing in Randy Moss era, I don't want to EVER hear a Pats fan bitch about calls again. EVER.

by Charles (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:01pm

The Eagles revamped their offense completely leading up to this game, give them credit for it.

The bigger question is, did the Eagles provide a blueprint to the rest of the NFL to stop the Giants or was New York just having their second bad game of the season.

by Harris :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:06pm

First the Giants, now the Cowboys are throwing on 4th-and-short. Keep on doin' what your doing, fellas.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:12pm

Well here we go then. The Seahawks started out strong, but a few bad calls led to the rest of the team no longer playing to that extra level. It was fun for a while, but now the game is starting to slip away.

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:16pm

Apparently my rant energized Seattle as they stop the Pats at midfield.

by Or (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:25pm

I thought Steelers-Cowboys would be ugly.
But not this ugly.

by Dave Bernreuther :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:09pm

I know that to some extent neutering Brett Favre is productive, but 14/18 and he's got a whole 100 yards passing? Yeesh. Are the 49ers just right on top of the YAC or something? 77% and barely 5 YPA... weird.

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:13pm

Seneca Wallace was about to be sacked for a 16 yard loss but somehow dumped it off to Branch who ran sideways and back the other way and sideways again and gained about 60 yards.

Being challenged now.

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:16pm

Play is upheld. First and goal Seattle!

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:15pm

Crap on toast, Dallas TD.

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:17pm

And then Branch made an INCREDIBLE one handed TD catch in the end zone.

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:20pm

And that Seahawks drive, by the way, started on a fumbled kickoff return. It look like the Pats would recover but the ball was stripped away from the punter as he was diving on top of it.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:26pm

Dallas D looks like the #1 D today. Not PIT.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:32pm

I was so happy with the Choice pick. Oddly enough, that was the one that sold me on the Cowboy's draft. Now, he's proving me right to be pleased.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:35pm

I know, right? Beast at Georgia Tech.

And he could have 200+ by himself against the "#1 defense."

by BucKai :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:50pm

Horrible non-call on Roy Williams holding to break Choice's catch & run. Ten feet away from the sideline judge, Williams grabs the jersey and spins the defender to the backside and doesn't let go till Choice breaks contain.

Edit: As a side note, having not watched many Dallas games this year, I had no idea who Choice was & had to look him up. From what I've seen today, he doesn't look very quick, but has a great sense for how to run in space. He seems to be making all the right cuts and taking the tough 3 yards when that's all there is rather than doing the patented Reggie Bush-cutback-dance 10 yard loss while seeking the glory land. Great pickup by Dallas.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:07pm

More non-calls as Dallas grabs Heath Miller and knocks down Ward. Of course, the refs don't throw any flags. The penalties the Cowboys have been called for have been automatic ones (offsides, too many men) that the refs don't have to think about.

I wish I knew why Arians and Tomlin think that trying to run up the middle at the goal line is a good idea when they haven't been able to do that all season. If it hasn't worked through 12 games it's not going to work now.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:53pm

Dallas D shows 'em who's boss once again. Great goal line stand.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:41pm


by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 7:55pm

Ah, there is the Seahawks collapse I was looking for.

by Lance :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:23pm

Good god. How many times has Dallas done the 1st down draw play in this game?

by Lance :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:24pm

At least it's better than the 2nd down Romo throwing a pick 6 to lose the game for them. Jesus. Someone put them out of their misery.

by compucrazy :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:25pm

God I Love the Steelers!!! How do they keep winning??

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:37pm

I sent you Ben Roethlisberger, that's why. - God

by Lance :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:39pm

Most of the time, it's because the score more points than the other guy. But I haven't seen all their games.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:26pm

Thank you, Cowboys. Thank you for dashing all of my hopes. You have dominated most of this half, but then you decide to lose in the last half of the fourth. I hope you all die.

by bob (not verified) :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:36pm

The only reason this game was close was Ben R's mind bogglingly bad performance in the first 3 quarters. There were times he had the ball more than TEN SECONDS before eating a sack. I've almost never seen anything like it - perhaps it was so cold the ball froze to his hand.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:28pm

Hoo baby, pick 6 returned for TD! Woo hoo Steelers!

The Eagles win, the Giants and Cowboys (most likely) lose...all that I need to make this day complete is for the Redskins to lose to Baltimore.

by Lance :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:41pm

(By definition, a "pick 6" is an interception returned for a TD)

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:50pm

Thank you...I apologize, was caught up in the elation of the moment. :-)

by Lance :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:58pm

I would have, too, if not for the fact that I actually root for that piece of crap team!!!

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:54pm


by Rocco :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:54pm

The Steelers would certainly appreciate it if the Redskins could repay the favor that the Steelers just did the Ravens (and the entire NFC). Whoo boy. I can't take too many more wins like that.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 8:36pm

The silence of Joe Buck and Troy Aikman after the Tony 'uh oh' Romo interception return for TD by Townsend was the most beautiful silence I've heard in a long time.
Now go put your fist somewhere else.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:21pm

I did notice that. lol I have to say that I was stunned as well though.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:02pm

I think Aikman turned off the mikes and yelled at Buck what went wrong. Smashed a door, yelled something random at a temp and turned the mikes back on.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:20pm

Incredibly tough loss for the Boys. The game was essentially over and they still managed to lose it. Tony had a bad 4th quarter, but anyone who thinks he crumbles under pressure is just a product of the media. He has his share of clunkers, but he also has quite a few great game-winning drives.

Overall, I still say that the Dallas D outplayed the Steelers D. This loss falls squarely on the offense. Witten had a really poor game, which was very frustrating.

NYG will be huge next week. Not a must-win game, but incredibly close to one. Let's see if Dallas has learned that closing games out is necessary. I picked Dallas this week and will still maintain that they will beat the Giants next week.

As long as the half of the team that got injured this week makes it back. Geeze!

Overall though, very entertaining game. Definitely one of the best of the year. Exciting to the very end. Even though the result has put me on the edge of a deep depression, it still was as good of a loss as anyone could hope for.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:51pm

Owens: 1 fluke catch for TD.
Witten: not seen
Williams: not seen
Choise: played very well and had 150y vs 100 for the rest of the team at one point.
The defenses outplayed both offenses today, except when the steelers needed a few deep balls, they won. The cowboys couldn't get anything deep, so they lost when they had to.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:27pm

Honestly, I feel as good as I possibly could about this loss. It sucks that the Boys lost, but come on. They got beat by one score against a top-notch team who was playing at home and in conditions they are built to dominate in. The Dallas defense showed that they are indeed legit and that barring prevent defense at the end, they can hold strong. Wade gets a lot of the blame on the Steelers' tying drive. Otherwise, the defense was outstanding.

The offense was pretty good. Romo's picks were tough, but in that wind and against a hell of a defense, I'll say it wasn't as horrible as the national media would like to make it out to be. Romo played well for the most part but the turnover battle was just too uneven. Dallas had a great sack day but no INTs. People can blame Ben all they want but he was careful with the football. Give him credit for that. Sacks are always better than picks.

I'm really looking forward to NYG/DAL next week. Should be just as good if not better than DAL/PIT was. Would've been nice to have gotten a win this week and then get a win next week (if they do, which I think they certainly can), but getting a win next week is almost as good. The Ravens are not unbeatable. If Dallas can lose by 7 to Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh in wind and cold, I think they can win at home against the Ravens. If Dallas can get these next two, then the season could come down to how they fare in Philly.

Exciting stuff! All of these should be great games. Can't wait for them! I hope Dallas wins but if not a good game is always great to see (just as today's was).

by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Mon, 12/08/2008 - 2:10am

Actually why do you think that PIT is built to dominate in those conditions? I see PIT as a good weather team, they pass more than they run recently and they have a very speedy defense.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 11:31pm

very , very oversimplified look at DVOA stats below

coming into the game , head-head

pitt pass adv 9.00
pitt run adv 0.50

dall pass adv -12.90
dall run adv -10.70

.... In the end, Dall had about 300 yards, Pitt had about 275 yards. Difference was in turnovers really (as a lot of talking heads surprisingly predicted)-- if anything, Dallas O played better against pitt D than expected, if only in measured in (relatively meaningless) total yard.....

... yet the game wouldn't have been that close probably if Omar and BruceTard had any sort of non-predictable goal line playsets. Isn't that the 5th 4th-goal stuff for the Steelers this year inside the 3 ? Terrible.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:36pm

Whoever is charting the Ravens/Redskins game can just cut and paste "Reason: Hit in Motion" for every play the Redskins throw the ball.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:43pm

Golly Ed Reed is good.

by cd6 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:57pm

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha romo.


ps fire bruce arians. How hard is it to call plays with a 3 step drop, seriously?!

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 9:58pm

That's it.
I've seen Romo, Roethlisberger and Cambell seen outrun linebackers today. So, when you are a madden stat guy; please stop giving QBs defensive tackle speed stats. Morons.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:36pm

I hear you on that one. After seeing Chris Johnson's TD run today, I also feel that his 99 speed doesn't do him justice either. He just torched everyone with ease, and yet in Madden you can almost never do that.

by Theo :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:49pm

That's funny. Whats his SPD rating in Madden09?
I have Madden08 and the unofficial 08 draft class has Chris Johnson with 99 spd.
He's great, just like IRL.

by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Mon, 12/08/2008 - 2:06am

The problem with madden is very bad inflation so you cannot actually represent discrepancies in talent. When you give the 50th fastest player a 99 in speed and the 150th fastest player a 95 it does not leave you much room for discrimination. FoF was much better about this and a lot of teams starters would have ratings in the 20s-50s. That leaves you the ability to give someone like Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson an 80 and have them be someone truly special, instead of madden where everyone plays the same.

by Theo :: Mon, 12/08/2008 - 1:26pm

exactly what I told a friend yesterday when we were playing madden.
The stats go from 0-99, but in reality, the slowest guy is still 50.

by Key19 :: Sun, 12/07/2008 - 10:39pm

This Week in Quotes:

"I would think that most of their beaters would be man beaters, rather than zone beaters."

- John Madden

by panthersnbraves :: Tue, 12/09/2008 - 1:22am

Realizing there's 3 weeks left, but I am enjoying tonight!

Oh, my homer-vision says the Panthers dropped 5 INT's and had two fumbles whistled dead while the Bucs had circus catches for both INT's and also the TD.

(Note: homer-vision does not detect passes dropped by Dunn or the Bucs WR's).

Not sure what to take from today, but 10-3 sounds pretty good.

by MontanaPanthersFan (not verified) :: Fri, 12/12/2008 - 2:28am

Only one post about that game...? I thought it was an overall pretty good one, my obvious biases aside.

Watching Otah destroy defenders in the 4th quarter was beautiful.