Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 17 Game Discussion Thread

o Sunday, Dec 28
o Carolina at New Orleans, 1:00 pm
o Chicago at Houston, 1:00 pm
o Cleveland at Pittsburgh, 1:00 pm
o Dallas at Philadelphia, 1:00 pm
o Detroit at Green Bay, 1:00 pm
o Jacksonville at Baltimore, 1:00 pm
o Kansas City at Cincinnati, 1:00 pm
o Miami at N.Y. Jets, 1:00 pm
o New England at Buffalo, 1:00 pm
o N.Y. Giants at Minnesota, 1:00 pm
o Oakland at Tampa Bay, 1:00 pm
o St. Louis at Atlanta, 1:00 pm
o Tennessee at Indianapolis, 1:00 pm
o Seattle at Arizona, 4:15 pm
o Washington at San Francisco, 4:15 pm
o Denver at San Diego, 8:15 pm


by joe football (not verified) :: Thu, 12/25/2008 - 7:15pm

I trust everyone had an enjoyable Christmas, but now it's time to get back to the important business of IRC football chat. The server is bendenweyr.dyndns.org, channel #fo. It's down right now, but I trust Fnor will get it sorted by saturday

Brief tutorial for the IRC-shy:

- Download mIRC from mIRC.com
- type /server bendenweyr.dyndns.org into the status window
- type /join #fo

by BucNasty :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:29am

Anyone gonna be watching the Cleveland game? Can you let me know if Gradkowski still blows chunks before starts?

Also, go Cory Boyd! He was a hard runner in college (I think) and I was sad to see us put him on I.R. I hope he does well.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:23pm

So much for the Giants playing vanilla. They are blitzing regularly, and getting to Jackson. Back to back plays a free rusher gets to him while Bryant McKinnie stands around looking for someone to block.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:25pm

Bears up early and just got the ball back on a fumble. Chicago looks to take a comfortable lead, setting the stage for Vikings collapse.

About the best we can hope for is a Jets loss and Broncos lost so it won't be the biggest collapse of the year.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:33pm

Adrian Peterson coughs it up again. He has like 7 yards in 7 carries. Chester Taylor looks much better today.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:50pm

Okay, Peterson redeems himself.

First 8 carries: 7 yards, 1 fumble.

9th carry: 67 yards, touchdown.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:52pm

There's still time for an epic game-losing Fumble from AF. Especially with the Bears looking good in Houston right now.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:50pm

Steelers look like absolute a$$ so far. Thanks for getting them up for this game, OMAR. While it doesn't matter for seeding, sending the Clowns home with another 0fer against the Steelers is huge.


by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 2:54pm

Vikings follow up AD's touchdown by giving up a 58 yard kickoff return, an 11 yard run and a 33 yard touchdown run.... although it looks like that might be called back.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:15pm



by Jason Robar :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:19pm

The end of the half for the Bills/Patriots game might be the biggest blunder by a ref thus far.

by PatsFan :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:20pm

Thank god for the Pats a tie is pretty much as a good as a win. Because in the crazy conditions in Buffalo today I wouldn't be shocked by one.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:25pm

I sense hostility towards Mike Tomlin.

Leaving Rothlesberger in is not an idiot move, different coaches have different beliefs on that, but plenty of good ones play their starters. Coughlin, who just won a superbowl, played Manning. He seems like a pretty good coach.

by roguerouge :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:28pm

What happened at the end of the half at the Bills-Pats game? Was it the carrying the ball off the field of play? Did the refs rule a deliberate scuffle and count off the 10 seconds? An egregious mistake? What?

by PatsFan :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:30pm

AFAICT the refs called nothing at all. After the scuffling, BUF couldn't get the FG team out in time and the half ended before they could attempt the FG.

by Jason Robar :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:52pm

The refs blew the whistles to stop the scuffle, but wouldn't stop the clock. Bills can't get the FG team out and the half ends. But it was one Bill and about 5 Patriots involved, and the refs "didn't want to give the Bills an advantage".

Not that it ends up mattering in the long run, because the Bills aren't winning the game, but it was a horrible call (both by the refs and by the Bills to run down the gut with no timeouts remaining.)

by zzyzx :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:31pm

I don't know what it was, but if I were a Jets fan, I would not be happy.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:34pm

Captain Windmill stumbles in for a TD somehow.

by Justin Zeth :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 3:38pm

If Roethlisberger's career is as over as it appears to be, I would hope the Steelers are going to re-sign Leftwich. There won't be any better options out there. (Having a decent backup is a good idea, though.)

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:04pm

Vikings can't get to David Carr. He converts every third down, culminating in a 20+ yard touchdown. Giants up 16-10....

by johnnyxel :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:05pm

Michael Turner just crossed 370.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:21pm

Next up: Madden cover.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:20pm

LOL, Urwanker almost let him roll into a 1st down.

Horrible spot by the officials.

Horrible by Smith not to challenge the spot.

by Eddo :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:22pm

And the officials don't let Smith challenge the spot because it didn't result in a Texans' first down. This seems like a dumb rule; what if the refs spot the ball five yards downfield on a first-and-ten play? The opposing coach can't rectify the problem?

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:33pm

Just terrible.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:19pm

The end of the half in Buffalo was a clusterfudge, but it won't matter. The Bills just aren't very good.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:23pm

Dick Stockton and Brian Baldinger are a terrible duo. Some highlights of the Giants-Vikings game:

"Coming up next for most of you, the Cowboys and the Eagles. The Cowboys have a chance to win the division..."


"The Giants... or the Vikings have it at their own 20"

after the Vikings failed to down it at the one because Abdullah fell into the endzone while touching the ball.


"Antonio Pierce said the losses to the Giants and Cowboys..."

No one corrected him.

by JasonK :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:15pm

I got a good laugh when Stockton mentioned that the fans in the Metrodome would only know the CHI-HOU score if they were listening "on their transistor radios."

Doesn't he know that some of the fans might be holding a tin can connected by a piece of string to another can held a friend watching the game on TV?

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:25pm

Tarvaris Jackson just threw a pick in the endzone and after a good return by James Butler, Jackson hit him out of bounds. Another 15 yards tacked on.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:29pm

It seems clear the Giants backups are better than the Vikings starters.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:31pm

argh. 3rd and 21, and David Carr converts it. Backup QB to backup WR, and its wide open.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:34pm

Turner coughs up a bad fumble.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:35pm

Saints tackling has been atrocious today. Williams and Stewart (and Steve Smith, too!) have each made at least ten extra yards on plays after initial contact. In one case, Williams faced five Saints behind the line of scrimmage, stiff-armed one and somehow made a 13+ yard gain.

I'm not exaggerating - there were five Saints and no blockers.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:38pm

Tough break for C. Williams, now his left knee is blown out.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:40pm

The Bears string of tightrope walking is getting ridiculous. Houston gets a touchdown, called back on a questionable penalty, next play they fumble and bears recover.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:42pm

Looks like Brees will need about 80 yards in the last 8 minutes.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:47pm

Saints down 6, will have to kickoff to the Panthers with 5:30 or so to play. If they get it back, Brees gets the record with 61 yards.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:54pm

He might not get the chance, Panthers punt from their 24 only went 21 yards LMAO

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:48pm

That fumble was overturned...

Who the heck is Danny Ware? 4th string Giants RB? He's rambling all over Minnesota's top ranked run defense.

by andrew :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:56pm

What the heck is going on with the Saints... Carolina now losing after being up 22-3. And the Falcons are trailing the Rams...

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 4:58pm

Saints scored too soon. Should just let the Panthers score now. (2MW)

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:03pm

Yup. Fail.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:06pm

Why do coaches not understand this? Stupid.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:15pm

You wanted a passing offense to sit on the ball for three minutes rather than scoring a TD?

The Saints had forced a 3-and-out on the previous Panthers' series. Scoring the TD was definitely the correct move. It's not like they can score a TD at will, at the exact moment they choose to do so.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:24pm

No I wanted them to let CAR score after CAR got the ball across midfield and near/into FG range with 2:00 to play, and with NO only having 1 TO (or was it 0) left.

Their best chance to win was to end the game with the ball in their own hands and some time.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:49pm

You wanted to let Carolina get a TD?

By the time the Panthers got across midfield, they were in clock-burning mode. They may not have chosen to oblige you.

And, FWIW, Kasay had to make a 42-yard FG, having already missed a 41-yarder in the same game. I think hoping for a FG miss at that range is better than presuming you can make up a 7 point deficit with less than two minutes left.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:09pm

based on the play of Carolina's "Prevent D" the last 2 weeks, I disagree

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:00pm

Bucs now out of the playoffs.

Winner of Eagles-Cowboys gets a wild card.

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:09pm

Oakland and Carolina win

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:11pm

Win and in, baby!!!!!!
Why do I have the sinking feeling that Andy Reid and Co. will find some new and exciting way to f*** it up?

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:16pm

Well, I think I'm speaking for many Cowboys fans when I say that, I'm sure the Cowboys are perfectly capable of screwing themselves out of a playoff spot as well.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:14pm

That was utterly horrific clock management by the Vikings at the end.


Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:18pm

Yes it was. Obviously Chilly learned at the feet of the master of horrific clock management, Andy Reid.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:21pm

Gah, Westy fumbles, recovered by Dallas.
On a side note, what's up with Andy Reid's facial hair????

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:23pm

I was certain Westbrook was going to get that first down one-on-one against Bradie James. Not that James is a bad player, just that isn't his strong point.

Instead he fumbled. That's a win.

Of course, the Cowboys do nothing on the possession.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:34pm

FAVRUH with a horrible pick early.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:34pm

A classic Favre pick, straight to the defender.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:38pm

Well, as a Giants fan I was hoping for Tampa to win and the Iggles to beat the 'Boys, keeping both teams out. But now it's actually pretty exciting that the game is winner take all.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:47pm

Cowboys ran the ball really well on that drive, but they abandoned it toward the end and have to settle for a FG. I get the feeling that the first offense to abandon the run in this game will lose. Who will blink first?

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:52pm

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

Tremendous play from the Wildcat. Miami ran it 3 times earlier with Ronnie Brown going up the middle. 4th time, they hand off to Williams who hands it to Pennington going the other way. Pennington then throws a terrific ball to Williams deep down the right sideline. Williams dropped it *sigh* but it was great play design.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 5:54pm

I hate you, Cowboys. You all suck.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:09pm


by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:12pm

Third and a half yard, officials miss a terribly blatant offsides on the Cowboys' D, who send the Eagles's FB (Eckles?) back for a 1.5 yard loss. McNabb acked when he drops back to pass on Third-and-two. Big sequence there.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:13pm

Sorry, that first play was on SECOND and a half yard.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:16pm

The Cowboys constant ineptitude on offense this year is wearing on me. There is no reason this offense should have this inability to maintain drives.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:20pm

Total PI not called on Dallas (Scandrick?).

by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:22pm

Panthers need to find a gear that will get them through the 3rd quarter and into the 4th and actually get some points.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:22pm

Beautiful throw by McNabb to Jackson to get first and goal.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:23pm

...well. The Cowboys defense can't do shit today. The Cowboys offense is beyond horrible today. Season done.

I hate Jason Garrett.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:27pm

Supposed Defensive Player of the Century , typically argued just because he was closing in on the sack record, DeMarcus Ware sure is invisible in this critical game. Guess padding your sack stats against the NFC Worst doesn't mean you can dominate a game against a good opponent when it matters.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:34pm

Yes, because the three sacks against the New York Giants had no impact on an important game for the Cowboys. Oh, and consistently getting at least a sack a game for all but one game this season obviously shows that he wasn't do anything at all for the team.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:41pm

My point was all I heard the last month as he closed in on the sack record (pace) was how that alone made him DPOY. He hasn't done ANYTHING to impact this game, the one DALLAS most had to have. He ($.02) also horribly overplayed his pass rush (on obv run play) the last BALT run TD and if he had crashed downhill he might have forced the runner into a tackle.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:47pm

It's true that Ware hasn't done anything to impact this game, but he's not even close to blame for this inevitable loss. Even if Ware were to get pressure every other play, the Cowboys would still lose the way this is going.

No one on offense can do anything right. The secondary can't cover anyone for even a moment. It's easy to blame Ware for not having an impact, but there has to be at least a moment where the quarterback has to at least think about where he's going if you expect the pass rushers to do anything. I haven't seen that much.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:29pm

TD Miami! Great throw by Pennington to Ginn, who beats his man one-on-one, but Ronnie Brown made the play with a beautiful blitz pick-up. 7-6 Miami.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:30pm

I have to admit, Witten is a beast. I grind my teeth whenever I think how the Eagles could have drafted him instead of LJ Freakin' Smith.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:30pm

And am I the only one watching Dolphins-Jets?

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:50pm

Actually, I deliberately DIDN'T watch Dolphins-Jets. I value my marriage more than that and my reaction to watching the Dolphins having a chance to actually play into the postseason against their long-time rivals AND provide fitting poetic justice to the whole Favre mess...yeah, that wouldn't be pretty. I tend to get football-angsty. So we watched Eagles-Cowboys instead and basked in the happy there.

Man, Favre, T.O., AND the Pats' playoff chances go down in flames on the same day. I'd better check to see if I still have my soul!

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:31pm

Woot! Interception!

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:32pm


Favre throws a HORRIBLE screen pass, and Phillip Merling with a pick-six. Farve hurt on the play too.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:34pm


ROY WILLIAMS trade will haunt DAL for years to come. What a FAIL!!!

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:43pm

That whole sequence was just a total gut punch. Romo throws an AWFUL pick, an Eagles drive is sustained by meltdowns by the two starting corners, who both get flagged for absolutely killer penalties, and the Eagles go in for the TD.

And as I type this, it's Pacman meltdown #2 as he fumbles the ensuing kickoff, allowing the Eagles a FG attempt before half...

which Akers drills. All of a sudden this is a total beatdown. Just...wow.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:39pm

PI in the end zone, ball on 1-yard line! first and goal!

TD Eagles!!!!

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:42pm

There has been no worse season for the Cowboys in the time I've been a fan. And I say that as someone who started watching the Cowboys during the second year of the Campo era. Ah, those 5-11 years. I miss them. At least we didn't expect anything then.

by morganja :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:44pm

What a terrible PI call against Newman. I hate the Cowboys as much as the next guy but you can't call that crap PI in a situation like that. What is wrong with the officials? That wasn't even close to being PI. Newman had position and doesn't have an obligation to get out of the way. Terrible bogus call.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:52pm

C'mon...I'm no Eagles fan, and that was clearly PI. He had his back to the ball and was locking up the receivers' arms. It's a no-brainer call. Iffier was the personal foul on Pacman, which was close to being in/out of bounds on a hard fought play. It didn't have to be called, although it was dumb of Pacman to put himself in that situation.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:50pm

So how will the Eagles blow the game today?

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:50pm

So how will the Eagles blow the game today?

by morganja :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:51pm

Did anyone else see Jason David walk up to Steve Smith after the play was over, get in his face and then leap backwards and fall to the ground on his back as if Smith had pushed him? Smith looked totally baffled because he didn't even touch him.

I would love to see Jason David suspended and fined. That was the single worse flop I have ever seen in any professional American sport, including basketball. The reason Americans mock soccer is because of the pathetic, wuss flopping they seem to love in that sport. The NFL needs to give a years suspension to David as a line in the sand against that, before it ruins football like it has soccer.

And suspending David would be a favor to the Saints anyhow.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:57pm

Coming back from the half, they had to show the one Cowboys highlight, James' sack, just so it looked like this game could be interesting in the second half.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:01pm

I will go out on a really tenuous limb and say Dallas can get back in if they don't panic. They just should go with the mentality that they're in 4-down territory all half.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:04pm

And as I type that...they convert a 4th and inches on their own 40 and top it off with the weirdest play I've seen all year...Romo shrugs off a sack, scrambles, throws it laterally across the field to Witten (still behind the LOS), who lobs it deep to TO, wide open because of the broken play, and takes it inside the 10. Bizrre.

But seriously, if the Cowboys go in for a TD, and their defense gets going with a quick stop, I could see them clawing back into it.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 6:59pm

The Cowboys should hand it to Choice every play of the second half. It probably won't get them a win, but it can't be worse.

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:03pm

Horrible playcall on third down.

Garrett is driving me crazy.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:02pm

Huh??? What just happened on that sequence?

by Arson55 :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:07pm

I'm checking out. I can't watch this disaster anymore. Peace, everyone.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:07pm

But geez, Romo looks terrible this game, really...I don't know if he's out of synch with the wideout, or what but something's wrong.

As I type this, Romo is sacked and fumbles, Dawkins picks it up and takes it 80 yards for the score. Game. And a really, really uncomfortable offseason for Romo and Dallas.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:09pm

Sory. Clemons returned it. Dawkins forced the fumble

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:13pm

Wow. The Cowboys are really achieving new levels of ineptitude today.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:16pm

Apparently the Eagle D wants to outscore the Eagles offense.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:20pm

Just checked the yardage situation. It's
Philly D > Dallas O > Philly O.

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:17pm

Dawkins just forced ANOTHER fumble that Eagles return for a TD. Holy crap!!!!

On a side note, where the hell has this team been all season?

by Crus :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:18pm

All that luck that seemed to go against the Eagles the rest of the season seems to be coming home and killing the Cowboys right now. Recovered fumbles, Interception, even scoring 17 points in the final 2:03 of the first half.

.. I've been watching long enough to know it's not over yet, though, they could still turn back into pumpkins as the clock strikes.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:18pm

So is Wade still coming back to Dallas for another year?

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:26pm

I would say probably not.

by markschepp23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:24pm

Another strip on a sack of Romo, and one more fumble recovery for the Eagles. This has gone from a run of the mill rout to officially embarrassing. This one could cost Phillips his job.

by montanapanthersfan :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:29pm

This is the greatest Cowboys game I have ever had the pleasure of watching.

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:38pm

if I was coaching Philly, I'd pull as many starters as I could, kneel three times each time I got possession, and then punt. Instead, we have Westbrook, McNabb, and all the other starters still in in a 41 point game.

Reid is just asking for it.

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 7:41pm

Odds that any of the multitude of media members who excoriate the Pats for "running up the score" take any notice of this in an Eagles-Cowboys game? I'm guessing they're not very high.

by Crus :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:00pm

Presuming there isn't a collapse of historic proportions by the Eagles, the burning question left unanswered is: will Harris have enough Jam? is there in fact enough Jam in the Philadelphia area?

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:23pm

Where can I buy Jam Futures?

Congratulations to Harris, PhillyCWC and all the Eagles regulars. See you in the playoffs!

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Crus :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:32pm

Right back at ya mate, congrats to the Phins!

by CathyW :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 9:22pm

Thanks James! Congrats to you too!
The fact that the Eagles actually made the playoffs is sweet by itself, but that they did it by humiliating the hated Cowboys just...well...words are inadequate to express my feelings of joy.

You must be happy to see that the Pats are OUT.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 9:45pm

Oh yes, and beating the Jets in New Jersey to seal it makes it very sweet indeed.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 9:35pm

We may not hear from Harris again until Tuesday.

by Harris :: Mon, 12/29/2008 - 2:06am

I wish. We have houseguests so the kid is sharing our bed. Starting Tuesday, however, everyone on the Eastern seaboard will be eating dry toast for the foreseeable future.

Go Birds.

"A little celery is always nice after a good pee."

by RickD :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:07pm

I wish announcers would stop talking about how "nobody's talking about Chad Pennington for MVP." For starters, the proposition is self-defeating. But more than that, Pennington is clearly not the best _QB_ MVP candidate in his own conference. And any argument for Pennington would be equally valid for any of a number of other QBs, including Philip Rivers.

But seriously, what is so bad about saying "Peyton Manning is a much better QB than Pennington, so this discussion is over"???

by DEW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:58pm

The logic is simple.

Brett Favre = God. We all know that from the offseason. Surely none of us missed every sportswriter not working for F.O. telling us that the Jets were now Instant Champions for signing him, particularly in the wake of the Brady injury?

Now, the unquestionable result of the season, in traditional statistical metrics, in advanced statistical metrics, and in the intangible column of "But he just wins football games!!!!!" Pennington outperformed Favre...with a supporting cast that won one game last year.

Therefore, since Pennington > God, clearly Pennington = MVP, regardless of how anyone else in the league may have played. The overwhelming power of the Brett Favre Drama outweighs all else.

by James-London :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:19pm



Phil Simms is a Cretin.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 8:21pm

FIRE JIM "Spike it on 4th down" NANTZY THE DUMBA$$$$$



by Tom in CT (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 10:16pm

Yes! Fire everyone! Fire all the coaches who finished as 2 seeds or below! Fire all the announcers who ever made a mistake on air! FEEL MY TOTALLY JUSTIFIED OUTRAGE!

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 10:46pm

Just because you might be willing to accept mediocrity and failure doesn't mean I have to.

by Tom in CT (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:37pm

Ludicrous. Doesn't FO ban trolls?

by Rocco :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 10:05pm

All LdT needed was a shot at the Broncos run defense. He looks good again now.

by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 10:43pm

Fatamatatua stole that TD from him too LOL

by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:38pm

to "FireOmar Tomlin"--

If you are using the term "mediocrity" to describe the Steelers, most readers would conclude that you simply don't know what the word means. It's hard to fathom how a 12-4 team that is seeded second in their conference playoffs can be "middling, average, neither good nor bad, barely adequate." If you were to say "not playing as well as they should be," "not as good as their record," or "not really one of the elite teams in the league," you could at least make the argument, but "mediocre" should be reserved for teams that are kind of average or a little below--say the Bills, Texans, Redskins, or Saints.

As far as "leaving Big Ben in there and getting him hurt," let's imagine that Tomlin benched Roethlisberger for this game, and that he then came out in the first playoff game and played poorly. Would you have then ripped Tomlin for not playing him for a half against Cleveland to keep him sharp, or would you have defended Tomlin's decision to not play him? And a related question--if Tomlin walked on water across the Allegheny, would you rip him for not being able to swim?

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:49pm

Something is up with Al Michaels.

"it is... caught for the touchdown"

on the Scheffler TD catch. He was hesitating after Scheffler clearly came down with it cleanly.

On the two point conversion:
"Does he get there? He..... does."

Cutler had the ball several yards deep into the endzone.

by perly :: Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:11am

Michaels was also several seconds late in acknowledging the Castillo interception. Between him and the spotters, somebody wasn't paying much attention to the game tonight.

by Sid :: Sun, 12/28/2008 - 11:50pm

By the way, all four road teams will be favored next week.

by Bobman :: Mon, 12/29/2008 - 1:31am

Sid, Ya think? If Denver won I would agree that Indy would be favored, but they just squeaked by SD in SD 6 weeks ago and since then SD has gotten pretty hot, with LDT looking familiar. Yes, Indy is arguably the hottest team right now and has gotten a bit healthier... but I would not be surprised if it was a push.

Eagles favored? Sheesh, that's a scary proposition, as to which Eagles team would show up....

Okay, now that I see who is hosting in the NFC, I agree that at least 3 road teams will be favored. Maybe 4.

by Key19 :: Mon, 12/29/2008 - 12:41am

Players who should be kept for the 2009 Dallas Cowboys season:

Tony Romo (say what you want, but we're not going to upgrade over him. I still think he's a great player and somebody we're fortunate to have)
Jason Witten (hands-down the best player on this team. If everyone studied, focused, and played as hard as him, we'd go 19-0)
Marion Barber (would like to see him return as the "closer." Starting doesn't seem to suit him all that well. Although he was certainly better when Felix was around)
Felix Jones (the offense was doomed from the moment he went down. If anyone needs to stay healthy all next season, besides Tony, it's this guy. Talk about a spark plug)
Tashard Choice (could use a little work because he has too many "stuffs" for my liking, but overall I think he's quite an asset)
Miles Austin (this guy is turning into what Isaiah Stanback was supposed to be become. Would love to see his speed in the lineup more often)
DeMarcus Ware (runner-up for Defensive MVP in my book. Enough said)
Jay Ratliff (monster. Absolute monster)
Bradie James (solid linebacker and fringe Pro Bowl player. Definitely good to have around)
Orlando Scandrick (overall has played very well in his first season. Maybe he can become the shutdown guy Terence will never be)
Roy Williams (At Safety or HOPEFULLY Linebacker if we can get one or two good safeties)

Questionable returners:

Terence Newman (will never take that step to the elite CB level. Not sure who we'd replace him with, but maybe we could trade him for some picks or something and draft a shutdown guy or trade for Nnamdi Asomugha)
Adam Jones (when he is hot, he's top-notch. Needs new shoes or something though, because he always seems to be slipping and falling down in coverage. Spare me the returns though. Lukewarm about him overall)
Patrick Crayton (possibly the best hands on the team, but the most inconsistent. He makes nice grabs a lot but also drops easy ones. Not sure what to do with him)
Roy Williams (really upset that he's been horrible, but I still maintain that I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he has a full offseason in the offense and with Tony)
Zack Thomas (has been ok by my book. If he wants to come back, he will probably still be better than anyone we'd get to replace him)
Greg Ellis (seems to have come back down to earth for good after last season's great performance)
Terrell Owens (not worth the trouble)
Ken Hamlin (never seems to make a play anymore. Could be because we have had no other legitimate safety next to him though)
Mike Jenkins (maybe 3 good plays on the season? Seems like a bust of a 1st rounder so far...)
Wade Phillips (defense improved because of playing bad teams in my opinion. No excuse for how we've played the last two weeks. Cannot keep the team disciplined and seems to have no motivational skills at all. At this point, I'd like to see someone with a lot more grit and control at the helm. Cowher maybe????)
Jason Garrett (what happened to the "genius?" Lukewarm about him but I think that continuity for Tony is important so I'd say we have to keep him. Hopefully he gets it together next year though. Offense has been putrid lately)
Bruce Read (should be the first out the door. Special Teams have been atrocious all year long)
Brian Stewart (if the defense improved but was still overall not that great when Wade took over, why is Brian even still around? He is obviously no mastermind. Only thing I like about him is his tough attitude. Need more attitude like that around here)

People I hope Jerry brings in:

Nnamdi Asomugha
Anquan Boldin
Michael Irvin?????

Positions that need to be drafted:

Offensive Line
Wide Receiver
Safety (depending on Roy Williams and Anthony Henry roles)

And now it's time for my beloved Cowboys mantra: Hopefully we get it done next year!

by Anonymous23 (not verified) :: Tue, 12/30/2008 - 11:39pm

Have you seen FireJasonGarrett.com? So funny.