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10 Aug 2005

Angry Owens Leaves Eagles' Camp

Terrell Owens packed his belongings and left the Eagles' camp today after having an argument with coach Andy Reid during a team meeting. Owens, as you may be aware, is unhappy with his contract and had threatened before camp started not to show up. Instead, he did show up but was unable to practice for most of camp because, he said, he had injured his groin.

In other news, Drew Rosenhaus is scheduled to appear on Letterman tonight.

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 10 Aug 2005

79 comments, Last at 12 Aug 2005, 4:06pm by Stephen A. Smith


by Wicked (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 5:46pm

Well the Eagles' receiving corps is really shaping up nicely this year.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 5:50pm

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out contractually, which will turn somewhat on the circumstances which led to the argument prior to Owens' departure. Were there witnesses to the dispute? Was Owens openly insubordinate? If he was dumb enough to have crossed that line, he really may have screwed himself. It is unlikely We will see Owens coming out of any MENSA meetings anytime soon.

by Balaji (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 5:52pm

I remember all that talk last year about how Reid and McNabb would straighten TO out, and how he wouldn't have any problems like in SF, and so on.

So how's that working out for you guys?

by Al (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 5:55pm

I guess I know what Aaron and Mike Tanier will be talking about at the Philly appearance tonight.

by Bobby Knight (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 6:34pm

Apparently I need to give Andy Reid a visit.

by zach (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 6:36pm

re #3: insert standard philly fan response to standard swipe here.

anyway, i hear it was a bit of a yelling match between the two. considering the bigger half (literally and figuratively) of the disagreement, i could see T.O. being cut as soon as tomorrow.

that said, this would very, very much suck for the philly WR corps.

by South Jersey Mike (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 6:45pm

What are the odds on a Freddie Mitchell return?

by zach (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 6:48pm

LOL, probably the odds of andy reid taking out a TV spot to apologize for being so mean to T.O.

in a pink dress.

by charles (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 6:57pm

Red rover red rover, we call T.O. over.


Ah Hell, team's going to have to win this one without me.

Which ever one you prefer.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 7:11pm

I don't think they'd cut him yet, since that would just be giving him what we wants, which is a chance at more guaranteed money. Nor do I think that Owens is so stupid as to throw away 7 million-plus dollars by staying out camp five days, which would mean the Eagles could put him on the inactive list, and then bring him back in 2006 at his 2005 salary. If, however, Owens comes back and starts repeating a pattern of open insubordination, I wonder if the Eagles might have language in the contract which gives them the ability to inflict substantial discomfort on Owens, by getting back some of the original signing bonus, while still keeping him off the free-agent market. `

by Dan Lewis (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 7:50pm

Reggie Brown said he'd be ROY. TO is just making that happen.

by Domer (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 8:00pm

Does T.O. have a reputation of being difficult to work with? Cuz I sure didn't see this one coming.

by Matt (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 8:17pm

See, people are always saying the Eagles should have seen this coming and were foolish to sign him. But his antics this offseason have been MUCH WORSE than anything he'd done before. No one has EVER threatened to hold out in the second year of a huge free agent deal. It's unprecedented. The Eagles (and the fans) expected a parade of lesser headaches from Owens, but not this. It may have been naive to think Reid and McNabb would have been able to fix everything with TO, but was there really reason to believe it would become worse?

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 8:38pm

The guy's behavior in San Fran his last season was pretty bad. Calling your former QB a homosexual, for reasons that defy understanding, indicates that one may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. Arrogance combined with idiocy is always a volatile combination.

I think the toughest part of being part of management in the entertainment industry, which pro sports is a branch of, would be working with immature or stupid young people who are making millions of dollars; it really leads to a lot of combustible situations.

by Brian (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 8:58pm

Releasing TO would be the best option. No one else would offer him the money he thinks he's worth. I would love to see him take a pay cut, or better yet, sit out a year then faid into obscurity. At this point, he is more trouble to the team than his production ever could be. The only good thing about TO is he gives us something to get heated about in the off season.

My heart goes out to Eagle fans; it will be a long year!

by South Jersey Mike (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 9:06pm

Does the team ever get any criticism? There wouldnt be any TO antics to discuss if they drafted or developed a number one wide reciever.

by Miles (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 9:14pm

Re #14. I don't think TO called Garcia a homosexual until after he got to Philly. But certainly, that wasn't the only, er, interesting behavior from him.

#13 -- well said. It is probably important for Philly to hold its ground here for therest of the leagues sake. If they cave, the precendent will be terrible for the NFL.

by Larry (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 9:23pm

I don't think they can release him, the cap acceleration on the initial signing bonus would likely be too problematic, though I don't have any numbers at my disposal to check that for sure. Especially with trying to get Westbrook signed to a long term deal and needing cap room in case Simon does sign his offer. I could be wrong, it is possible the Eagles took a larger cap hit up front on the Owens deal, I don't really know. Is there a place that sort of info is available?

by WIll Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 9:33pm

Yeah, that's why I said "former" quarterback. It really doesn't matter WHEN he said it; it is an unfathomably stupid thing to say at any time. The guy has the maturity of a 13 year old.

by Larry (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 9:49pm

I found a site on Philly's cap. BJ's Eagles Salary Cap Page

The lowdown is the Eagles have 5 million in cap room (includes Simon's offer), and would take a 1.9 million hit from cutting Owens. So, I guess they could do it if they wanted to.

by Jeremy (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 10:17pm

Yeah everyone comes out saying "haha told you you so" re TO causing dramas, but honestly it was pretty out of the blue considering how the season ended up. The Eagles were one of the best teams last year, he played well, even made a heroic return to play in the SB and then all of a sudden BAM, he throws a wobbly in the offseason. You have to wonder why he didnt do it quietly, out of the public eye, as then he may have had a chance to get a change to his contract status. If he cant be happy in Philly, what other team is gonna satisfy his desire to play in a SB bound team, yet pay his salary demands. And any out there are surely scared off by these antics. I am /was a huge TO fan, gave him heaps of credit when others slagged him off, but now i think...they were right!

by South Jersey Mike (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 10:22pm

"You have to wonder why he didnt do it quietly, out of the public eye, as then he may have had a chance to get a change to his contract status."

TO could have been quiet and this organization would have had the same stance.

by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 10:57pm

What I lvoe is all the people saying, "No WAY you could expect this!"
I mean, he only stepped on the Dallas star, and then made fun of his former QB, then whined his way out of Baltimore after his own agent forgot to file papers to make him a free agent, then yelled at McNabb on the sidelines, plus made sure he was the subject of every story during the Super Bowl....
Who would ever think that THIS guy would do something immature and stupid like demanding more money once he got his way?

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 11:14pm

What does this guy have to do in order for people to NOT be surprised at his immature behavior? Sure, give him credit for being phenomenally talented, and for playing hard in games, but you have to be blind to not have seen that the guy is extremely immature and not particularly bright.

by SteelerBill (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 11:18pm

I really don't want to see an interview with TO where he begins to cry (again) and say that he is mis-understood or that he 'just wants to play football'....

by M (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:17am

I think a lot of what's going on is more media hype than anything else. T.O. was suspended (supposedly for not fulfilling his mandatory signing sessions at camp, and there were no identified witnesses to the argument that may have taken place); he didn't "leave" (article in link). Having been to training camp for a few days, I also don't think that the loner T.O. we see on the news is an accurate depiction of what goes on there. IMO, there won't be any appreciable decline in Owens' performance this year; I'm sure he realizes as much as any of us that he isn't worth anything at his age (and with his mouth) to ANY team if he doesn't perform this year. But take that for what it's worth - I'm a Philly fan, after all.

by David (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 3:17am

The real problem for the Eagles is Todd Pinkston's injury - it kills all their bargaining power. With Pinkston gone, Mitchell booted and Owens on ego-strike, our number-one wideout is Greg Lewis, whose career line is 23 catches for 278 yards and no regular-season TDs. Put simply, we're over a barrel. I hate to say it, but the best option here might be to give in and look to unload TO after the next season.

by Matt (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 4:16am

Re #23 - again, is it really unreasonable to not expect something that has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE? Nobody holds out in the second year of a superstar free agent deal. Never. Maybe you think dancing on the Dallas star and taking shots at your former qb are on the same level as all this noise, but I disagree. And as for whining 'his way out of Baltimore after his own agent forgot to file papers to make him a free agent', all he was 'whining' for was to be granted the free agency he was legally due, as was about to be ruled by an arbitrator before the NFL stepped in with a trade.

Again, maybe some people saw this coming, but regardless, I insist that it was a reasonable stance to expect some incidents but not this.

by Coach Andy (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 6:31am

Im satisfied that we can win with the recievers we have in camp and Howard Eskin agrees.

by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 6:41am

Does anyone know if the Eagles are in a position to trade for a WR? Pro Football Talk have been floating the idea of cutting Owens before the start of the season, just before his salary becomes guaranteed. While this would hurt TO, unless the Eagles can pick up a WR it would make no sense for them.

On the other hand, if the could trade for a quality WR, then it becomes a very workable solution. The Eagles (I think) have extra picks next year. Could the they trade for a WR like Chris Chambers for instance? Chambers looks a good fit.

As someone pointed out on an 'extra points' thread, he is a proven #1 WR, has played well on a bad team with bad QB's and isn't in the 'superstar' class of Holt, Moss etc. Given the 'Fins are in transition this might be a workable trade. Will the salary caps allow it, and if not Chambers are there any other viable options?

by Sippican (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 7:29am

I'm having trouble following along here. Is "angry Owens" all one word now, or is it hyphenated? Also, is it a title, or has he gone whole hog and adopted it as his actual name?

Damn, I was just getting used to "troubled wide receiver Owens," and now this.

by Ray (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 9:43am

C'mon. The Eagles are not going to cut or trade Owens. He's going to sit out his week susepension, he may or may not come back for camp. But he will play in the season opener in Atlanta, because in the end he wants to get paid. So long as he doesn't get hurt, he'll play and be productive. Tempers or no, when this comes down to business, both sides do their jobs.

by Russell (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:25am

Re: 26 and 33

I think cutting Owens is a very real possibility. It's not like his attitude is going to suddenly improve, and I don't think the Eagles are going to want this train wreck plaguing them all season. This latest mess just lays the groundwork for his departure.

by Derek (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:37am

I think your speculation that Owens will return and perform is probably accurate. On the other hand, the Eagles have been known to make stupid decisions in the interest of removing a "problem" player.

In fact, when Philly had Trotter franchised a few years back, the MLB effectively whined his way to free agency...along with a healthy bonus from Washington. Did the Eagles bother to get a draft pick by trading the malcontent? Nope...never made sense to me. Of course, the return of Trotter makes Philly look a lot better.

by Russell (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:48am

Re: 34

The principle of "addition by subtraction" sometimes applies in the NFL. Yes, the Eagles may have looked foolish letting Trotter walk and getting nothing in return, but they have confidence in their ability to replace anyone, which is what has kept them at or near the top of the NFC for going on five straight seasons. Clearly they were smart to not pay the kind of money to Trotter that the 'Skins did.

by Derek (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:21am

I understand the principle but isn't it always worthwhile to maximize your investment? Subtract Trotter, add a second round draft pick...

This seems even more wise given the Redskins dislike for draft picks and love of impact signings (especially a few years ago). I never suggested Philly should have signed Trotter to the Washington contract but why not offer him to the highest bidder?

by C (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:35am

They won't cut him, and no one will trade anything of value for him. He'll play and make a media circus/sideshow a few times this year, at least.

by Parker (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:42am

Wow, everyones a little excited over this. Cut Owens? Trade him? Put him in cold storage until 06?

Come on, guys, none of that is even likely to happen. This is preseason soap opera stuff. Owens will suit up and play opening day. This is all posturing.

by Russell (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:53am

In a trade market where Pat Surtain and Travis Henry only brought third-rounders, I think it's tough to assume Trotter could have brought in a No. 2.

In any case, I think the TO situation is far more than posturing. I can see the Eagles putting him on a Bobby Knight "zero tolerance" policy when he comes back and cutting him when he inevitibly causes another disruption. As great a player as he can be, it's not worth having him on your team if all he's going to do is be a headache. I don't think the 49ers were a better club with the 2003 version of TO than they would have been without him.

by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 12:14pm

Just to clarify, I don't think for one minute that the Eagles can trade Owens TO anyone. Rather, can they use draft picks to trade FOR Chambers or another quality WR?

by Ray (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 12:59pm

Russle, you seriously think they'll cut him? That's exactly what he'd want, and I can't see the Eagles ever doing that. There are two options for TO this season: Play for the Eagles, or sit the whole season out. And like someone else said above, this is all just preseason drama. None of it really means anything until they start playing real football games.

by Josh H (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:20pm

The cap hit of cutting Owens would be negligible. A $1.9M cap hit minus the $3.5M T.O. is due in salary means the Eagles would actually gain $2.4M by Cutting Owens. Same goes for trading him.

That being said, from the Eagles perspective, the best idea I've heard came from local philly radio host Glen Macnow, who said - tell Owens that they will NOT pay the March '06 bonus and therefore not retain him at the end of season. That way, he'll get his coveted free agent status at the end of the season, and the Birds will get one more year of productivity, considering that Owens will have to perform at a very high level to get the $$ he wants in free agency.

by Phil P (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:40pm

RE: #42. Unless all TO's been after this entire time is to get that roster bonus guaranteed, which is what I've always thought. And while I disagree with it, Reid has consistantly gotten rid of the malcontents in the past (Welbourn and Mitchell). I think that means they'll boot (trade/release/whatever) TO as well.

by Parker (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:44pm

Can anyone site an example of a top player simply being cut from a team or put on some list of inactive players in any sport in the last 20 years?

I'm not trying to be a dink, I really want to know. Keyshaun last year is the closest thing I can think of and that is still very far from this Owens situation.

Anyone got an example?

by MDS (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:53pm

The Red Sox left Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers. Anyone willing to take his contract and his attitude could have had his bat. No one did. Football is different because the contracts aren't guaranteed, but it's the same type of situation, where everyone knows TO has the potential to be great but he also has the potential to be a millstone hanging around the franchise.

by mawbrew (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:55pm

The folks who seem to think that because Owens contract beef is unprecedented (and I don't know that it is), the current situation was unforseeable are missing an important point, I think. Guys like TO inevitably find something to be dissatisfied about and escalate it into a crisis. If it wasn't his contract, it would have been something else (eventually).

Given his open disregard for the SF coaching staff when there (IMO, his screaming at that assistant coach on the sideline during the game was his most serious offense), a shouting match with Reid can't be a surprise.

That said, I think he still plays for Philly this year, but expect there will be few more 'episodes' before it's over.

by Derek (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 1:58pm

Kwame Brown of the Washington Wizards was suspended for the playoffs after a disagreement with the coach.

Not really a parallel since Brown is far from a top player despite his lofty status as a #1 pick and the suspension only ended up being a few games.

Despite the suspension, the team extended Brown a qualifying offer during free agency before trading him to the Lakers for Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins.

by Jets Fan (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:30pm

Guys like Moss and T.O. really make me appreciate an athlete like Marvin Harrison... all he does is catch passes.

by B (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:30pm

mabrew: That reminds me of last year when TO was seen on the sidelines yelling at McNabb. At the time the Eagles claimed that TO was just trying to "encourage" his QB, but back then TO and McNabb were supposedly best buddies. Funny how times change.

by Moses (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:44pm

M writes (#26)

"I also don’t think that the loner T.O. we see on the news is an accurate depiction of what goes on there."

I'm sorry, but unless he's turned over a new leaf, TO is a bona-fide, confirmed loner and seldom makes friends. Those that he does befriend are players that are clearly marginal players of no threat to his status as cock-of-the-walk.

by Goldbach (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:45pm

Re: 48

Didn't Harrison get in an argument with Manning last year over the number of passes that were being thrown his way?

by R (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:46pm

I thought that was Reggie Wayne, though I could be mistaken.

by Mike Ditka (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 2:53pm

I would cut T.O.

by Mike Ditka (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 3:06pm

And I'd trade my entire next year's draft for Chris Chambers.

by Jets Fan (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 4:15pm

Maybe if T.O. breaks his foot the Jets will sign him, and then when he turns 38 or 39 - Parcells will sign him.

by Mike Ditka (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 4:18pm

And then I'd throw a football through a tire.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 5:35pm

Parker, I'd tend to agree with you, except for the fact that I think Owens is really quite nuts; and last night's performance in Owens' driveway strengthened that belief. I think he is fully capable of being such an insufferable ass that he eventually gets the Keyshawn treatment,

by Tim (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 8:20pm

Owens won't be cut. It's as simple as that. He won't be traded. The Eagles don't negotiate with terrorists. If his moronic behavior keeps resurfacing, he'll be suspended repeatedly and lose out on pay. Suspension is the Eagles' trump card. He wants to be traded or cut and doing so would be letting him win. A large suspension on the other hand keeps him on contract but denies him weekly pay. The Eagles were a few points away from the big game with James Thrash at #1, and I think Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown, Billy McMullen, and whoever they pick up on the market before the season is a vast improvement over the old crew. T.O. is an asset on the field, but at this point his negatives are outweighing the positives.

by MarkB (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:28pm

I'd like to add my name to the list of people who want to hear from the "Andy Reid can hanlde T.O." crowd. Don't stand up, just raise your hands.

by South Jersey Mike (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:30pm

So whats Na Brown up to now?

by South Jersey Mike (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 10:43pm

"Don’t stand up, just raise your hands"

I thought he could. If that makes people feel better, Im fine with it.

If your an Eagles fan, what does the Eagles putting the hammer down on Owens get you? Does it make the team better? Does it give them a better chance to win the Super Bowl? I hope the Public Opinion Bowl trophy fits next to the Salary Cap Bowl trophy.

by SteelerBill (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:01pm

Not sure if everyone caught the half-time interview tonight with TO and Drew Rosenhaus. It seems that they've shifted their focus to the fact that TO played during the Super Bowl after having signed a 'secret waiver'. Somehow dismissing the fact that TO signed a contract last year, that the NFLPA discouraged him from signing it, and that the NFL allowed him to negate the trade to Baltimore. Yet as TO so eloquently stated, everyone is 'out to get him'. Fascinating character that he is...

Cannot wait to hear McNabb's take on this one....

by D.McNabb (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:04pm

Dont bring my name up or I'll cry in my soup.

by geoff (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2005 - 11:20pm

That halftime interview with Owens tonight was Tom-Cruise-on-Oprah level horrifying.

I don't know whose bright idea it was to try and get TO's side out, but he just sounds whiny and uncooperative, and I'm sure there are many, many people in the Eagles front office trying to figure out exactly how to maximize TO's suffering while minimizing his exposure to the rest of the team.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 2:42am

The guy is dumb as a post, pure and simple. All his behavior is doing is driving down his market value, which, of course, assumes that he is able to drive the Eagles so nuts that they trade him or cut him loose.

What is more likely, of course, is that the Eagles will hold firm, let Owens come back in a week, and then see if owens will act like a professional, in which case they'll get some value for the money being paid, or, if Owens continues being insubordinate, they'll take what action they can (it all depends on the language in his contract) to recover money, or avoid paying out more, while preventing Owens from playing football elsewhere. I've heard rumors of unusual language in Owens' contract, and given the idiocy he displayed in agreeing to what has been made public, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Owens has handed the Eagles a big hammer with which whack him hard.

by wyote (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 2:45am

Eagles fan here.

I believe the Eagles: Owens will play for the Eagles and be a good citizen, or he will sit out, probably without pay. He will not be released or traded.

I'll bet TO gets back on the field eventually--by week three or so at the most. He wants to get paid, and eventually he'll realize that Reid will continue to suspend him without pay for insubordination, conduct detrimental to the team, whatever. Eventually he'll miss the dollars, he'll put his tail between his legs, he'll play with a chip on his shoulder, and he'll play very well that way.

Reid will play bad cop and let McNabb play good cop. McNabb might not like TO either, but he'll get over it after a few weeks of trying to find Greg Lewis in double coverage.

Once the final cuts are made, the team will rally together no matter what the deal is with TO. If there is an "us against the world" feeling, "no one believes in us," all the better.

This too, as they say, shall pass.

by Stiller Fan in Cle (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 7:07am

Count me in with the people who think TO gains little from holding out. However, he'll also make big money when he becomes a free agent (next year) because someone'll give him the money. I personally think that the only thing he gains is that he'll be released at the end of the season.

Anyway, with people talking about possible replacements, whatever happened to David Boston? I know he got hurt and got suspended for steroids, but is he still under contract with Miami? Just a thought...

by mawbrew (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 8:37am

Owens' appearance during the half at last night's game was stunningly counterproductive. Even with Berman giving him the Larry King/Barbara Walters celebrity kid glove treatment he came off like a jackass. The only potential positive being that his agent came off even worse.

To his 'TO's not happy' BS, 300 million Americans are responding 'BFD'.

With the additional shots at McNabb, it seems the two of them are taking a 'scorched earth' approach. I still don't think it will work. And if it doesn't, this could have very bad consequnces for both Owens and Rosenhaus.

by Derek (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 10:45am

I'm curious about what kind of contract people believe TO will get next year when the Eagles cut him. Will this ultimately be worth it for him?

In 2006, Owens will be a 32-year-old malcontent with impressive career numbers and a penchant for disruption.

Muhsin Muhammad is 32. 6 years, $30 million, $12 million signing bonus.

Derrick Mason is 31. 5 years, $20 million, $7 million signing bonus.

Where do you see TO fitting in?

by Alan (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 10:55am

Click below on my name - it's some guys pretty funny letter to TO.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 11:01am

Nobody is going to risk giving a huge signing bonus to a 32 year old guy who appears to be nuts. The large money will come with all sorts of strings attached.

by Glenn (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 11:23am

Agree with points made here:

*TO and Rosenho (thanx for that one, profootballtalk.com) came off absolutley terrible in their halftime yakfest.

*They're now trying on the strategy of the "secret Super Bowl waiver" to get us to sympathize with his so-called sacrifice for the team (a waiver that would have been brought up by TO much much much earlier than this if it did, in fact, exist).

To these I would add that its now beyond the point of no return for the Eagles and TO to kiss and make up. As a point of reference, remember that '04 offseason when Ty Law called BB a liar and said there was no way he would play for the Pats again? What did BB say in response? Zero. Zilch. Not a thing. That, friends, was brilliant strategy, because it didnt allow the situation to escalate and didnt paint anyone into a corner where they couldnt save face. Law came to his senses and went to camp almost as if the whole thing happened in a bizarro parallel universe. Unfortunately, the Eagles, while they are clearly in the right to ask TO to stick to his contract, did themselves no favors by saying the contract would never ever ever be renegotiated. Now theres no way for both sides to save face on this one.

People were mildly surprised when the Pats decided to give Seymour a little bump in this year's pay when he held out. Once again, the Pats didnt say or do anything during that holdout to paint anyone into a corner and make it impossible to mend fences. Did TO deserve a bump in his '05 pay? Thats debatable, but its not debatable that by the Eagles immediately claiming there would be no renegotiation, it made it impossible for them to then offer a token raise as a gesture of goodwill.

As awful as TO and Drew came off last night, though, the worst moment was when Berman referenced TO's Super Bowl performance and called him a "hero". That misuse of the word just plain pisses me off.

by Ahmad Rashad (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 11:31am

Re: #68

I don't think I've ever seen a Sports "Journalist" lob more softball questions to an athlete in my life.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 12:19pm

It woulda' been nice if some "journalist" had merely asked to see Owens' or Rosenhaus' copy of the "secret waiver", if only for the humor in hearing Rosenhaus assert that it isn't his practice to obtain copies of contracts signed by his clients.

by zach (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 1:44pm

it boggles my mind how much T.O. and rosenhaus talk about what they "deserve".

i'm a good guy. in fact, i'll go so far as to say that i'm one of my favorite people. so i may or may not "deserve", in the moral sense, to get lots of cash and be set for life.

the thing is, fortunately, that's not the way it works. my boss with pay me not based on what i "deserve" in some metaphysical sense, but based on what others are willing to pay for me. last year, the only teams willing to pay anything like what T.O. wanted were the ravens and the eagles. so naturally he got paid less than he would if every time in the league had a real interest in him.

coincidentally, that had to do with the fact that he couldn't seem to shut up. so nevermind rosenhaus' line comparing football players to military servicemen, T.O. is getting exactly what he "deserves". and if he doesn't make the eagles' roster this season, that's just more of the same.

by MDS (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 2:04pm

The Eagles say there is no waiver. There's no way they would lie about it, because if they were lying Owens would just produce the waiver and show they were lying. Maybe Owens signed some kind of form with his personal doctor, but nothing that involved the Eagles.

by C (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 2:14pm

Not only do the Eagles deny that there was a secret waiver, but they would have been responsible for T.O.'s entire contract if his career ended in the Super Bowl due to playing on an injured leg without medical permission.

by Steelersin06 (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 2:30pm

The link in post #70 is hilarious. Thanks

by Stephen A. Smith (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2005 - 4:06pm

You're all just racists.