Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

19 Aug 2005

'Bachelor' Could End Up Dumped

Poor Jesse Palmer. The way things are going, his appearance on "The Bachelor" might end up being the highlight of his football career. After some poor decision-making during New York's first preseason game, Palmer is in real danger of not making the team. And while hundreds of players get cut every preseason, it's usually not because 300-pound Jared Lorenzen beat them out of a job. And if that's not reason enough to be concerned, the Giants are also working out Tim Couch.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 19 Aug 2005

24 comments, Last at 20 Aug 2005, 7:57pm by Jerry F.


by Taxman (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 10:35am

Lorenzen is the man. I live in KY while he was a UK. There were many tall tales told about the hefty lefty,my favorite was this:

Dude could SIT on the 50 yard line and throw the football through the goal posts. Nice.

by HimBruno (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 10:35am

Any team that is "working out Couch" should have a few worried QB's.
Actually they should have about a million worried fans.

by Theo (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 10:44am

Dude could SIT on the 50 yard line and throw the football through the goal posts. Nice.

Uh oh!! We heard THAT before... :D

by JasonK (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:03am

Palmer deserves to be worried. He looked awful against the Cleveland Browns second team!

The Giants should keep either J-Load or Tim Hasselbeck as a #2, and hire the guy the Patriots end up cutting (Davey or Flutie) to be the #3 (and, once this guy learns the offense, he probably move into the #2 spot).

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:03am

Meanwhile, McFumbles continued his decent throwing and management, but bumbling hands.

One wonders if he'll be able to make a team - even if he gets cut by the Pats (between him and Davey, I'd take Cassel, though) - has he shown enough raw skill to be picked up as a team's 3rd option?

Only the Pats could possibly think of drafting a guy who played a total of 30-some-odd downs in college and showing that he might have what it takes (and he's got a good sense of humor - when asked about backing up not one, but two Heisman winners, he said "All that means is that for all anyone knows I could have been the 2nd best QB in the country for 3 years running."


by B (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:37am

Did I miss a memo, when did Cassel's nickname become "McFumbles?"

by Carl (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:39am

One of the highlights of my career was going with a scout to watch the Indiana/Kentucky game down in Lexington featuring Randall-El and the aforementioned tubby Lorenzen.

We went to see Randall-El, of course, but left thinking, 'This kid Lorenzen is the real deal.' Amazing arm strength. Good decisions. Could take a nasty hit, but couldn't waddle away from a LB if he had to.

Luckily for him, IU's defense was porous, which is charitable.

Randall-El was the best athlete in the stadium, but we came away convinced Lorenzen was the best QB.

by MDS (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:49am

JasonK, where do you get the idea that the Patriots might cut Flutie? That would be incredibly stupid, and it's been a long time since Belichick has done anything that could be described as stupid.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 11:57am


In the "Grossman injured" thread, Rhys made a side-comment to the effect of "Maybe Chicago could trade for that Rusher McFumbles fellow that played for the Pats in the second half." After that, it seemed for most of the thread Cassel was referred to as McFumbles (he does have 4 fumbles in what, 3 total quarters of play?).

I was just still in the "Oh yes, it's FO, so Cassel (who I like) is McFumbles" mindset from that thread.

I do hope he makes a team. It must have been immensely frustrating to back up Carson for a while, and then, after his Heisman and drafting, he figures "Finally, my turn!" and immediately gets bumped back to #2 by Leinart, who goes and wins himself a Heisman too, and the way he handled it was probably better than I would have :)


by JasonK (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 12:50pm


Mea culpa. You're right-- the Pats won't cut Flutie. I knew they needed to cut someone, and based on the (second- and third-hand) buzz I've heard about Cassel, I eliminated him and named the other two guys. I wasn't thinking it through.

To bring the topic back to the Giants for a moment (NE shouldn't take over every discussion here), Palmer isn't the only Giant's backup QB. Hasselbeck has been pretty bad as well. I don't think Tim Couch is the answer, but the Giants do need to find someone who can hold a clipboard with some competence.

by Bockman (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 1:17pm

I've noticed that too. Why is it that NE takes over every single discussion here. What will happen when NE finally stops winning?

by Glenn (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 1:19pm

Prediction: Cassell stays w/Pats as the #3. He's shown enough promise in a short time to get other teams' interest, and if he's put on the practice squad, he'll be available for poaching by another team. I'm afraid Davey is a goner. The only reason he's still there for a couple more weeks is so Tom doesn't throw too much in practice before the regular season begins.

by B (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 2:22pm

Tarrant: Thanks for the explanation. I actually read that thread and was confused then, too.

by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 3:02pm

What will happen when NE finally stops winning?
In general terms, gloating Pats fans will be replaced by bitter Pats fans. Quite possibly fewer of them, but who can say?

Reasonable Pats fans will, of course, remain reasonable.

by O (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 4:05pm

I think "Rusher McFumbles" is the best football-related nickname I've ever heard, no disrespect to Cassel intended. If he's playing well enough to merit more sober nomenclature, is there anyone else we can designate as "Rusher McFumbles" instead? Seriously, I crack a smile every time I read it. (I am very easily amused.)

by B (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 4:13pm

Aaron Brooks

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 4:24pm


I agree, I laughed out loud when I first read the nickname (he also had 42 rush yards in the game, hence the 'Rusher' although to me, 'Rushy' sounds better - but that's a minor imperfection on an otherwise perfect name), and I still smile when reading it.

It almost sounds like something one could designate unofficially weekly, the "Rusher McFumbles" award - a player that succeeds despite their own mistakes, or something.

Even if it was a constant designation, we'd have to disqualify certain players (Tiki Barber...).


by Trogdor (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 9:15pm

Did Cassell play less in college than AJ Feeley? When the Dolphins traded for him, he had started something like 3 games in however many years of college and pro ball, and didn't see action in many more.

by Glenn (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 9:25pm

Cassell = 33 college passes

by Michael Moore (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 10:00pm

There is only one "Hefty Lefty" around these parts, folks!

by Sergio (not verified) :: Fri, 08/19/2005 - 10:36pm

-- Reasonable Pats fans will, of course, remain reasonable... --

There is no such thing as a reasonable fan...

by princeton73 (not verified) :: Sat, 08/20/2005 - 12:09pm

am I the only one who thinks Lorenzen looks EXACTLY like Meat Loaf? (the singer, not the foodstuff)

I saw Lorenzen quite a bit in college since I live in SEC country and, although he could be spectacular at times, he was also guilty of many stupid decisions at crucial times in the game

there was a tendency to grade him on a curve, as it were; that is, people's analysis tended to be "look what this incredibly fat guy can do--most fat guys couldn't do that" as opposed to "look how effective he is as a QB"l

by Dennis (not verified) :: Sat, 08/20/2005 - 4:12pm

You know there's something wrong with an NFL QB who has to go on a reality show to meet women. If a guy can pick up chicks by claiming to be Brian St. Pierre, how hard can it be for an actual pro QB in New York to meet women?

by Jerry F. (not verified) :: Sat, 08/20/2005 - 7:57pm

I think most people who go on dating shows don't go because they can't land dates, but because they can't find a better way to get on national TV. Clearly, being the Giants number 3 guy didn't afford enough face time.