Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

17 Aug 2005

Chiefs' Kicker Charged in Bar Brawl

Yes, you read that right. The Chiefs' kicker has been arrested for breaking the nose of a bar bouncer. He's been charged with a felony count of substantial battery and one count of misdemeanor battery. He was released on a $15,000 signature bond.

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 17 Aug 2005

20 comments, Last at 18 Aug 2005, 5:44pm by RowdyRoddyPiper


by Mike Vanderjagt (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 6:20pm

Come on Larry, let's go show the Pats why they're ripe for the picking.

by Devil Dog (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 7:08pm

Sux to be that bouncer, getting his arse "kicked" by a kicker ........ I dont think he will have a bouncer job too much longer - lol

by Pat (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 8:28pm

Recent Dick Vermeil quote on Tynes, who apparently has disappointed:

“He hasn’t done real well. He hasn’t done as well as we anticipated him doing or hope that he does. Yesterday he didn’t have a very good day. We didn’t kick him today. Sometimes you kick too much.�


The one thing about kickers is they don’t need two weeks to get ready. If they’ve been in a training camp they’ve been kicking as much as your kicker and if someone becomes available and you feel you need one learning the scheme isn’t much. I really don’t think we’re going to have to go that way, but I’m also aware that he’s not as accurate right now.�

My guess is that they're looking at kickers around the league a little closer now.

by fyo (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 10:04pm

Isn't Morten Andersen available?

Not exactly a powerful kicker anymore, but still extremely accurate on the short-ish kicks - and very, very experienced.

by Hector (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 10:07pm

Wow is this team trying to emulate the Raiders? Saturday night Saousaolii P. Siavii Jr and Greg Wesley were arrested at a swanky hotel in Minneapolis for drunkenly screaming obscenities at a guest and throwing things. Wesley got maced and both of them had to ride in a paddywagon to jail because they were too big to fit into a squadcar.

I'm guessing Tynes must look up to Janikowski.

by Teximu (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 11:42pm

I think everyone's missing an important point here. From the article:

"Tynes, the NFL's first Scottish-born player...

Always bet on the Scottish guy in the bar brawl.

by Pat (not verified) :: Wed, 08/17/2005 - 11:42pm

Tynes beat Andersen for the job last year, but he looks like crap this year.

by Joe (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 2:14am

I was hoping this headline referred to Nick Lowery.

by bobstar (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 2:39am

I thought Sauerbrun plays for the Broncos.

by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 8:41am

I'm not from the States:
What the hell is "misdemeanor battery"?
Sean Taylor also had: "aggravated assault with a firearm and one misdemeanor count of simple battery".

by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 10:46am

Theo (10 )--
What the hell is “misdemeanor battery"?
It varies by state. Based on the story, it's hitting someone without causing substantial harm. The broken nose is covered by the felony charge of "substantial battery."

Anybody from Wisconsin know the precise difference? (Another question -- why is the Chiefs' camp in Wisconsin?)

by johnnyel (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 10:47am

Re: 10
Aggravated assaults result in an injury. Battery is physical contact intended to cause harm, and is generally the charge when there is a fist-fight.

by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 11:13am

Oops. Somehow I got the link for the Minnesota statute. At least it's an easier read than the Wisconsin law (now linked).

As for Sean Taylor's “aggravated assault with a firearm and one misdemeanor count of simple battery" -- many states consider threatening someone with a firearm to be "aggravated assault," regardless of the harm inflicted.

So if you push somebody while brandishing your pistol, that's aggravated assault and misdemeanor battery. Don't do that.

Taylor's case is more complicated than that.

by C (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 12:08pm

In essence, misdemeanor battery is causing a bruise and substantial battery is breaking a bone.

by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 12:22pm

C, breaking a nose - what that kicker did - is not giving someone a bruise. :)
Man 3.5 years for a good 'ol bar fight... man that's just sick.

So Taylor got "aggravated assault with a firearm." While it should be "aggravated assault with a fist" - and something that covers pointing/having a gun, which is stipud anyway.

by MDS (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 12:51pm

Theo, there's no way he'll get 3.5 years. The media always report the harshest possible sentence, but there is zero chance that a guy who can afford a good lawyer is going to do anything close to that because of a bar fight.

by Doug Brien (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 1:06pm

You wouldn't see me arrested for battery. I would have just tapped the tip of his nose or missed wide left.

by B (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 1:08pm

To me, waving a gun at somebody is as serious as aggravated assault. I've always been taught that you shouldn't point a gun at somebody unless you intend to shoot them.

by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 1:32pm

B (#18 )--

Well, the State of Florida agrees with you. :-)

by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Thu, 08/18/2005 - 5:44pm

Looks like Todd Collins is in on the action too. The Jailblazers have changed sports and relocated my friends.