Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

05 Dec 2005

Colossal Collapse is Quite a Stunner

Two things. First, there's no truth to the rumor that Morris Buttermaker coached the second half for the Bills, and second, J.P. Losman is no Shakespeare.

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 05 Dec 2005

17 comments, Last at 06 Dec 2005, 2:19am by Mike


by Topas (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 11:01am

Of course you had to link to this. Thank you very much *sarcasm*.
I am a Bills fan.

by B (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 11:07am

Is it a "stone cold stunner?"

by Mike B. (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 11:49am

I am a Bills fan, too, and I'm honestly not surprised.This team wasn't really that good last year, as has been highly documented - they just had a bunch of false expectations about this year, and seem to be deflated by not being "a playoff-caliber team", when they have a Texans-caliber O-Line, which the GM doesn't seem to have noticed...

by Mike M (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 12:57pm

If the Bills had refused the illegal touching penalty on the third down pass to the back of the end zone (receiver came back on field from stepping out), would it have been 4th and goal or a TD? The announcers didn't address this and I think the Bills' decision would have been interesting if refusing the penalty made it 4th and goal. I just don't know the rule here.

by Ralph Wilson (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 2:04pm

This is the winter of our discontent.

by the K (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 2:08pm

Yes that's putting it mildly. You know your team has some issues when they make Sage Rosenfels look like Joe %&@!ing Montana.

by Will Allen (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 3:43pm

When is the last time a team won while having more than 60 pass attempts, as Miami did yesterday? What is the record amount of pass attempts for a winning team?

by Sergio (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 3:48pm

Oh, you bet I'm gloating...


Oh well. As a fan, you live for this kind of game...

by Richie (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 3:58pm

From 1994 through 2004 there were 14 QB's (not teams) who attempted 60+ passes. Vinny Testaverde had 69 against the Ravens in 2000, and lost. Jon Kitna had the second-most with 68 against Pittsburgh in 2001 and won.

In 2003 Brad Johnson had a game with 61 pass attempts versus Carolina, and lost the game 12-9. 9 points and 61 pass attempts. That's got to be one of the worst ratios of attempts to points.

The 14 QB's who had 60+ attempts combined to go 4-10 in those 14 games.

by 10K (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 4:46pm

"Yes that’s putting it mildly. You know your team has some issues when they make Sage Rosenfels look like Joe %&@!ing Montana."

Don't put all the blame on your defense. Don't forget that your offense completely sputtered, and that was well before Sage got in the game.

(Sorry, us Dolphins fans don't get many like yesterday.)

by MAW (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 6:37pm


I tried looking for a box score of the infamous 51-45 Jets/Dolphins game in '86 where Marino had 545 passing yards (and 6 TDs). Ken O'Brien of the Jets also had 500, too, I think, but I don't know how many passes they threw. I saw the game and I remember it was the shootout to end all shootouts.

by jebmak (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 6:42pm

"Yes that’s putting it mildly. You know your team has some issues when they make Sage Rosenfels look like Joe %&@!ing Montana."

Please, we prefer to think of it as Dan %&@!ing Marino.

by 10K (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 7:14pm

jebmak, no, even with the 3 stunning come-from-behind drives in the final 10 minutes, we wouldn't dare compare Sage to Dan. No one can compare to him. (Or so the typical Fin Fan fawning goes.)

by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 7:46pm

And in further news, Nick Saban announced that Gus Frerotte is his starter next week.

by T. Diddy (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 8:12pm

#s 7, 11: Drew Bledsoe threw 70 attempts (I believe still the single-game record) in an OT game against the Vikings in 1994, which the Patriots won. So unless that record's been broken, that would be the record for most attempts by a winning team, too.

by johonny (not verified) :: Mon, 12/05/2005 - 8:56pm

I think the game was good news for Sage. Even if he won't be given a chance in Miami that game tape should land him on someones bench next season.

by Mike (not verified) :: Tue, 12/06/2005 - 2:19am

#11: Marino's best was 521 in 1994. In the 51-45 game from 1986 you mention, Marino had 448 and O'Brien had 479. Details in link. Still great numbers though.