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17 Oct 2005

Gruden: Griese Could Miss Season

Jon Gruden says nothing is definitive, but he raised the possibility that Brian Griese could be out for the rest of the season after hurting his knee Sunday. Tampa Bay appeared headed toward the playoffs, but I'm not a believer in Chris Simms at all. If Griese is done, they're in trouble. Is a Rich Gannon comeback possible?

Elsewhere, Kevin Mawae, perhaps football's best center, is finished. As are the Jets.

Posted by: Michael David Smith on 17 Oct 2005

21 comments, Last at 18 Oct 2005, 3:27am by NF


by princeton73 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:22pm

Griese was not immediately available for comment.
"He's distraught, he's nervous, he's uptight about this,... Gruden said.

sounds like he needs a drink


by BillT (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:24pm

Again, I beg you, someone FREE JEFF GEORGE.

by JonL (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:31pm

This calls for the Shaun King Era, Mark II

by Wicked (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:32pm

I just knew drafting Simms in the first round of my FF league would pay off.

by Aaron N (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 4:44pm

With that defense and that running game? They will be fine...

by calig23 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:03pm

Tommy Maddox is probably available...

Please take him....

by Russell (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:10pm

I'm certainly no fan of Simms, but with their schedule and defense, they should be able to get to the playoffs with him.

Maybe this will turn out like 1999, when they came thisclose to making the Super Bowl with Shaun King under center.

by adam (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:18pm

With Jeff Blake and Vinny Testaverde now on rosters, the best free agent QB is . . . Jeff George?

by charles (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:23pm

Mawae was hurt in the third quarter of a 27-17 loss Sunday when Sam Adams fell on his elbow.

Anything Sam Adams falls on, Sam Adams breaks. Now if Sam Adams could just fall on ____ (pick a scrub on your favorite team). i'm a redskins fan so i want sam adams to fall on rock cartwright's head.

by wrmjr (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:26pm

I'm a Redskin fan too. Can Adams also fall on Daniel Snyder?

by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:43pm

While it's easy to focus on the types of mistakes Griese was making, considering the number of INTs he had through the first 5 games, one of the things that was missed was the reads he wasn't making. On film, and seen at the Bucs game live this sunday, Michael Clayton was getting open. In an interview for Pewter Report, Clayton wouldn't come out and say anything about why he was off to such a slow start, but did say that the cause wasn't the injury he was playing through. "I told you guys last year when you asked that I'd give every award and all the good stats I had back if we could have had a winning season. Right now, we're winning. All I can do is go out there and run my routes; I'm doing whatever I can to help this team win, like run blocking".

Going into the Miami game, it was becoming apparent that Griese was locking into Galloway on almost every progression, and as the film started to show, it wasn't because everyone else was covered.

I say all that, to set up this:

When Simms came out to start the 3rd quarter, he completed his first 6 passes....to 6 different receivers. He then threw a pass a little behind and a little late to Clayton in the endzone that was nearly picked off. But I think the point remains: with the type of receiving threats this team has in Clayton, Galloway, Hillard as a capable #3, Becht and Smith at TE, and Pittman out of the backfield...if Simms can continue to read progressions and throw the ball around, the team could become even more balanced, and maybe even harder to defend against.

Besides, when Caddy returns, I imagine the Bucs won't be wanting to throw the ball more than around 20 times a game. The way the Bucs defense and run game has been, they won't need Simms to be outstanding, or even very good, to make the playoffs (assuming he limits his expected shaky mistakes to less than Griese's deep INT returns).

by fyo (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:57pm

#11: Going into the Miami game, it was becoming apparent that Griese was locking into Galloway on almost every progression

Considering that the Dolphins weren't covering Galloway, that doesn't seem like such a bad thing.

by Jamie T. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 5:59pm

Just so all the GMs out there who read these comment sections know ;) , Billy Volek is available for the right price. Reese wont let him go for peanuts though, so bring your draftboards and be prepared to spend a few of those small number draft picks on a trade for him. Just an FYI. :D

by melissa (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 6:06pm

Is Mawae really football's best center this year? I know he has been to probowls, but the only things I've heard about him this season are negative(too old, a step slower, can be dominated, etc). Not that I think his back up will be better, but wouldn't it be more accurate to say he WAS one of the best centers? Doesn't FO try to avoid evaluating players based on their past reputation?

by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 6:08pm

I would like Sam Adams to fall on Duane Starks And Monte Beisel.

by Fiver (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 6:52pm

Maybe my opinion would change if I watched him play on a regular basis, but I've never understood why people rag on Griese so much. Yeah, he's not very durable, but the guy is a career 63% passer, over 7 YPA, a decent 1.3 TD:INT ratio. He's basically Brad Johnson: high percentage, okay arm, kinda fragile, occasional bad games, but better than 15 other guys trying to play QB in the NFL on any given Sunday. And Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, lest we forget.

So, was Griese just forever stigmatized by being the Broncos QB after Elway, or is there some intangible suckiness that doesn't come out in the stats?

by jack (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 7:02pm

Is Dave Ragone a ligitimate NFL prospect? If he's still in Houston, he should be getting pretty popular about now.

by Dan (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 8:23pm

Chris Redman...start your engines.

by Joey (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 8:44pm

Re: 16

I watched just about every game of the Griese era in Denver and I never really figured out why he was hated so much, either. Granted, he made some bad, bad plays...but he also had some solid games and went to a Pro Bowl. Following Elway was part of it...but his bigger problem, imo, was his demeanor with the press (and, apparently, also with some of his teammates). Interestingly enough, Jake Plummer has had his own share of bad decisions on the field and off, but is still much more popular than Griese ever was.

On the topic of Plummer's off-the-field life, it made the local press last week that Jake doesn't take too well to having his love life publicized. A columnist saw him at charity function with a young lady and wrote that Plummer was there with his girlfriend. (Pretty tame stuff: no photos and she didn't name the girl.) Jake called the writer up in the middle of the night and dropped the f-bomb on her because it wasn't his girlfriend...or at least not his only one.

by Theo (not verified) :: Mon, 10/17/2005 - 8:44pm

Can Adams fall on the entore Dallas team. Or that dome they play at.

by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 10/18/2005 - 3:27am

I propose we substitute "Drop Sam Adams on them" for "Stick a fork in them" for the rest of the season.