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10 Oct 2005

MMQB: Still Leader of the Pack

Who would have guessed that Peter King would write about Brett Favre after the Packers' lopsided win yesterday? Strange awards from MMQB this week. King's offensive player of the week had 11 yards on eight carries. After asking if Adam Vinatieri is from this planet, he gives the special teams player of the week award to the kicker from the losing team. The rest of the awards go to players or coaches in the Packers/Saints game.

Posted by: Al Bogdan on 10 Oct 2005

32 comments, Last at 12 Oct 2005, 11:10am by OMO


by Ima Pseudonym (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:34pm

Hey, I just realized that I've met Peter King in person.

He was that guy in college who spent most of sunday talking about how many beers he had/how wasted he was on saturday night.

"d. Coffeenerdness: OK, it's a quad venti hazelnut latte this morning. Can't help it. I am fried after this weekend. Gotta get four quick shots into me."

(He also may have been that person who left the party with Bret and was seen the next morning wearing the same clothes he had on the night before)

by Aaron N (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:44pm

He chooses to 'right' about? Come on, this is supposed to be the literate football site...

As for the Packers, I think they just scored again... :)

by Yuri (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:44pm

Blame King but don't blame him that much. Since he apparently traveled to GB for the game, he would have led with Favre... The real question would be, why he chose that exciting matchup to attend? And of course the goodness of the Favre family is a bit over the top.

I actually liked the comment:
"Packers having five home games left and none are at noon Central time."Too much night games at Lambeau late in season!

And, having watched in pain the Eagles getting destroyed by Dallas, I would be thinking twice before ranking them in top 3... The "take your pick" between NYG and WAS was good though--kind of reflects my feelings.

by Russell (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:45pm

In defense of PK, who I feel sometimes needs some defending around here, I don't think he gets to choose which game he covers on Sunday. I'm guessing the magazine editors do that for him.

by JasonK (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:46pm

"Who would have guessed that Peter King would right about Brett Favre..."

I think you mean "write."

by Bruce Dickinson (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:47pm

You guys should link the Yahoo Sports version of the article. It is easier type and printed on one page so there's no linking to the next page.

by Tarrant (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 1:49pm

Four shots of espresso.

You know, if you follow the "Coffeenerdness" over the past few years, it really seems like he's gone from regular, to double, and now quadruple drinks to get the same effect.

If King is needing a daily quad latte (and chances are that isn't the only coffee he has in the morning) just to get a buzz from the caffeine, then dude needs to lay off the caffeine for a little while - his body is a bit too accustomed to the drug.


by MadPenguin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:30pm

33-13 tonight for the chargers? I know i'm in the minority, but I truely believe that the Steelers will win that game. Ah, the great thing about football, it really can go either way. Unless you're green bay and are really cranky playing NO.

by calig23 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:36pm

I counted 43 items in King's "10 Things I think I think."

That is all. Carry on.

by Vern (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:36pm

The guy can't win. When he writes about good teams, like the Pats, people say "enough fawning over the same good team all the time." So finally he goes to the dregs game of the week to file a nice "color" story and he gets nailed for that? As someone who will never make it to Lambeau, I'm glad to read this kind of thing. I'm not expecting stat filled analysis from King.

As for the print link, I posted how to get it on the "Dr. Z rant" thread. here's the current MMQB print link:

click here

by Dan Riley (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:37pm

PK's obviously reacting to negative e-mail he's getting about sucking up to Brady. He singles out Vinateri as "out of this world" for a chip shot field goal when anybody who watched the game knows that Brady literally put the team on his back and carried it to the win. And then he ends with a shot about how Drew Brees outplayed Brady last week...hmmm, yeah Brees and about 20 other Bolts. Can we all just leave Peter alone now when he comes to praise Tommy, rather than bury him...burying he's not too good at.

by Tom Brady (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:44pm

7. I think you can't stop the Patriots. You can only hope to contain them. That team just won't die.

You think you can disrespect us and get away with it? Don't think I won't forget this, Peter King!

by MJK (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:48pm

Re 8:

I've been playing around with using Maximum Liklihood Estimation to rank teams based on the past games this season and then predict the next week's game. According to my MLE model, the Chargers have about a 57% chance of winning tonight. That's not a lot--it's basically saying the game could go either way but San Diego has a slight edge.

And adding in some common sense to the numbers, the Chargers are 2-2, having won big in their last two games versus NE and NYG. I haven't followed the Giants this year, but I know SD caught NE at probably the best possible time--right after a rash of injuries that left NE weakest against SD's best weapons--LT and Gates. I know the media is now fawning over the Chargers, but I personally thing Pittsburgh may still be the better team.

by MRH (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 2:58pm

There is nothing enjoyable about traveling by air these days. Nothing. Maybe I'm just on a bad streak. But it is patently absurd that a little rain makes the Eastern Seaboard go belly-up and closes runways and makes airports around the country cancel flights in the New York area. I don't even know who to rip here. I simply give a naïve but plaintive cry: Fix the system of traveling when weather isn't perfect, please.

See Peter, there's this thing called the Internet (you write a column that people can read using it). And the Internet allows you to check facts and not just voice unsubstantiated opinions. NYC (Central Park) got 4.26 inches of rain on Saturday, which is a hair more than "a little" although 0.04" less than the record. Fortunately, when it was set in October 1903 there were no airports to close. I'm sure creating the system capacity to absorb a once-in-a-hundred year rainfall wouldn't cost traveling-on-expense-account journalists anything, but the general public probably would prefer not to pay the fares and taxes entailed. Although putting a stop to the whining might be worth it...

MMQB gets me going far better than the caffeine I've become accustomed to.

by MRH (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 3:00pm

PK’s obviously reacting to negative e-mail he’s getting about sucking up to Brady.

You wouldn't think Brett had time to send him e-mail what with practice and all...

by furiously indignant (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 3:45pm

I don't like the players and teams that King writes about therefore he is an idiot! If Sports Illustrated is going to continue giving me free columns on the internet the least they can do is cater directly to every single personal whim that I have!

by Glenn (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 3:49pm

Bethel Johnson. Great game, and great week. It was Johnson, not Doug Flutie, who took most of the scout-team snaps last week to simulate the speed Mike Vick.

Bethel Johnson. One catch, one TD, 55 yards. Yes, nice speed, but "great game"? Well, this is from the guy who gave Jarret Payton Offensive Player Of the Week honors, so what do I know?
And as for Johnson's job imitating Vick on the scout-team.....in the game I watched, Vick didn't play, making Johnson's "great week" kinda irrelevent, no? Admirable, yes. "Great"?

by David S. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 3:50pm

Was it me or did PK seem really cranky this morning? He really laid into the Saints, but I guess it could be warranted. I didn't see the game so I can't account for the professionalism of the Saints, but PK seemed to be very personally offended. I'd hate to see what the Ravens would've incurred had he been at that game.

by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 4:02pm

Re 11

Brady literally put the team on his back and carried it to the win.


Primetime doesn't show any of the good stuff.

by princeton73 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 4:19pm

is sportswriting/sportscasting the only genre in which the word "literally" is used to mean exactly the opposite of its meaning?

(I mean literally, it always is)

by EJP (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 4:22pm

Re: 17. Couldn't agree more. Payton averaged one yard a carry. Apparently, no one else was more deserving. Great point about Bethel Johnson. The Pats didn't even face Vick. Maybe their preparation for him is what allowed a 2nd string QB to shred them all game.

by shyam (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 4:25pm

Peter really mailed it in this week....Very sketchy , very poor column...Literally:)...

by Dan Riley (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 4:57pm

Gosh, did I say literally? I meant to say figuratively. No, I mean virtually. Wait a minute! Metaphorically! Yeah, that's it. It was a metaphor, just like in the Brady & his O-line ad. Sometimes I forget that when you come to FO, it's like pulling up a chair at the Algonquin Round Table. Anyway, Brady was frickin' great...and PK missed it because he was too busy shaking off the ankle-biters

by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 5:19pm

Bethel Johnson has one catch and it's a great game. Az Hakim has five catches at over 20 yards per catch, and he can't run routes and has no hands. OK.

As for the rest:


by Jim A (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 6:15pm

Steve Rushin of SI wrote a hilarious column a few months ago about the use of the word "literally" in sports contexts.

by Dennis (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 6:17pm

I thought that was one of his better columns of this season (better is a relative term, obviously). But what's with all the fawning over Jarrett Payton? Not just PK, but on sportscenter and elsewhere. So Walter Payton's son scored a TD. A whole bunch of other guys scored touchdowns yesterday too.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 6:31pm

"9. Atlanta (3-2). Am I the only one wondering if the money Rich McKay spent on Mike Vick is going to come back to haunt the Falcons? I wonder if he'll be healthy enough to earn it."

No Peter, you're not the only one. In fact, there are plenty of people who wonder if he would be worth it even if he stays healthy, which he probably won't.

by MDS (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 7:14pm

Walter Payton was a great player, and by all accounts a good man. That makes a lot of people want to root for his son. The only problem is his son really isn't good enough to play in the NFL, and, frankly, I seriously doubt any coach other than Walter's former teammate, Jeff Fisher, would even give him a chance. I would love to see the younger Payton have a fine career, but it won't happen. At the same time, I'm not going to criticize King for wanting to recognize him.

by RCH (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2005 - 10:39pm

RE: Bethel Johnson, while he did have one very important play I'm thinking that King was referring to his effort with the scout team. When I played in college no one took pleasure in "giving a good look" to the first team by faithfully imitating that week's opponent. It must be even harder for pros. Johnson is someone whose attitude has been questioned in the past, so him putting his heart into playing Vick might be seen as a positive step.

by nath (not verified) :: Tue, 10/11/2005 - 7:17pm

Nobody's mentioned the line of the column yet. It's item 4L or something in the 10 things:

"Thomas Jones. Now there's a man."

by Dirty Stanchez (not verified) :: Wed, 10/12/2005 - 12:47am

Is it just me or is PK just really, really shite. Ive only started reading his column this year after reading TMQ for the last couple of years and found that while TMQ is funny, insightful and actually looks at a number of games each week while MMQB is basically PK either a)going down on Brady/Pats, b)complaining about how hard a life he has traveliing across the country drinking coffee, c)patting players on the back who have done jack and d)going down on Brady/Pats. Doesnt PK have a train to be under right now. Literally!

by OMO (not verified) :: Wed, 10/12/2005 - 11:10am


Add "going down on Favre" and you pretty much nailed it.