Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

30 Jun 2005

Porter for T.O.?

This is the kind of completely unfounded rumor that I would never link to between August 1 and June 15, but let's be honest -- we're all dying for something to talk about, and even the slim possibility of this is sure something to talk about. Jerry Porter for Terrell Owens? Owens and Moss on the same team? Would they announce a joint holdout any time Kerry Collins even looked at Ronald Curry? Hat tip to Rotoworld for noticing this wacky rumor from Philly TV station WPVI.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 30 Jun 2005

28 comments, Last at 03 Jul 2005, 9:59am by Dan L


by zach (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 3:27pm

coming soon: the only team in the NFL in which wide receivers attempt to intercept the ball from other wide receivers on the same team.

by David (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 3:57pm

It can't work for Salary Cap reasons. Porter just signed a deal this off-season. The cap acceleration would effect the already strapped Raiders.


by Pat on the Back (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 4:31pm

That's the same reason TO is staying in Philly. Cut him? Accelerates all the signing bonus. Trade him? Same deal. Sign a new contract with a big bonus? Without a new CBA the bonus only amortizes over the next 5 seasons instead of 7. This is why TO isn't going anywhere, and why there are so many wacky tiered-bonus contracts (Marvin Harrison, Brady, etc). Of course, if the new CBA does get hammered out, and there is an uncapped season in '07 (but a capped one in '08), look for a lot of signing bonuses to be converted to roster bonus that offseason.

by Carl (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 4:34pm

Pat and I disagree on this point. I think the Eagles will not pick up the March option on TO, so he's essentially playing for one last season in Philly.

The dead money implications of picking up the option and realizing he's worthy of cutting later are too great for a risk-avoiding franchise like Philly.

by Pat on the Back (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 4:46pm

I just meant for this year. I don't think TO will be in Philly for the 06 season, especially after the crap he pulled/had pulled on him this offseason. I think Philly essentially assured that when they leaked he wanted to redo his contract. Not that I blame TO, even if he is a monumental jackaninny.

by Bockman (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 4:54pm

Even with Moss and T.O., Kerry Collins will still throw only 23 TDs and 14 INTs.

by Carl (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 4:54pm

Doh! Sorry I misunderstood.

By the way, who is going to critique Football Prospectus 2005?

by Carl (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 5:34pm

Before I'm condemned again for such asides, I should mention that Jerry Porter is one of the nicest, most introspective guys in the NFL.

He also told me last season he never got mad at players who held out or skipped camp. It would be ironic if that's what brought him to Philadelphia (although I don't believe for a second he's going there).

He blames this on the very real concern players have about guaranteed contracts.

by TBW (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 5:44pm

Conspiracy Theory of the Day:

I wonder if TO has pulled all of this stuff on purpose to ensure that he gets cut after this year, and is a free agent heading into the 2006 season.

Burn your bridges before the season even starts. Then, shut up and go out and have a great year on the field. As soon as the season ends resume talking and wait to get cut.

by Carl (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 6:13pm

At first I thought it was all speculation, and now the wire is moving a report from ABC that the Eagles and Raiders are in serious discussions about this!

As a football fan, I'm flummoxed. As a reporter, I'm relishing the thought of a locker with Randy Moss, Terrell Owens and a guy named Sapp.

It can't get much better than that.

by Goldbach (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 6:21pm

Um, couldn't that wire report just be another version of the story originally linked to? That is from an ABC affiliate in Philadelphia. Perhaps ABC picked up on the story from its affiliate?

(Disclaimer: I have little knowledge of how the news media works, so an education would be appreciated.)

by B (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 6:22pm

How will outspoken guys like Sapp and TO react to Randy's predeliction for taking plays off?

by Goldbach (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 6:24pm

I'll add that I can't see how Oakland could pay TO what he wants AND handle the cap acceleration from Porter AND pay their draft picks.

Also, Andy Reid is currently on vacation. I have a hard time beleiving serious talks would be going on without him being in Philly.

by C (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 6:30pm

It's not happening. T.O. is going no where. He'll play for the Eagles this year or he won't play at all, losing a lot of money for this season and paying back some of his signing bonus. And if he thinks he'll get a deal from another team in the area of his 2006 money, he's certifiable. He'll be 33 or 34, and have been injured in each of the previous four seasons in which he played, plus have missed one year, plus being a general pain in the butt. He would have been better just playing. The Eagles have only ever re-negotiated instead of cut one player's contract, and that was John Runyon, and both he and his agent acknowledge that when they signed the deal, they knew the last year would never happen.

by the K (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 7:03pm

Hey, quit killing my buzz with facts and cap truths. Just thinking about Moss, TO, and Sapp together on the same team, a team run by Al Davis no less, is making me salivate at the possibility that it could be made into the greatest reality TV show EVER.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 7:26pm

"As a reporter, I’m relishing the thought of a locker with Randy Moss, Terrell Owens and a guy named Sapp.

It can’t get much better than that."

For a reporter, maybe. For fans like me, the only comfort would be knowing that all of these loudmouths would be on the same team, so we could skip watching or reading anything even the least bit Oakland-related and safely avoid their jackassery. If only Keyshawn could go there as well, and Michael Irvin could go there as a coach, and Steven A Smith could take a job with the team, and Tom Arnold... Also, there's a good chance Oakland will suck, so there will be less reason for the media to Red Sox them down our throats 24/7. So go ahead, Al Davis, get all of the guys I can't stand that you can possibly handle!

by Carl (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 7:34pm

What makes it even better is that you're going to have Kerry Collins quick-reading between two guys who -- how shall we put this delicately? -- will want some touches.

I imagine the fireworks over how crappy their QB gets start shooting during Week 2. If TO called out Garcia/McNabb, and Moss trashed Culpepper (who had an outstanding year in 2004-05), then you can picture how Kerry Collins' grades will look like to TO & RM.

I love it. Absolutely love it.

by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 7:57pm

The skinny on Collins:


Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
1995 Carolina Panthers 15 13 433 214 49.4 2717 6.27 89 14 19 24/150 35 8 61.9
1996 Carolina Panthers 13 12 364 204 56.0 2454 6.74 55 14 9 18/114 29 4 79.4
1997 Carolina Panthers 13 13 381 200 52.5 2124 5.57 59 11 21 27/200 23 1 55.7
1998 New Orleans Saints 11 11 353 170 48.2 2213 6.27 89 12 15 31/191 26 6 62.0
1999 New York Giants 10 7 331 190 57.4 2318 7.00 80 8 11 16/112 25 4 73.3
2000 New York Giants 16 16 529 311 58.8 3610 6.82 59 22 13 28/243 46 7 83.1
2001 New York Giants 16 16 568 327 57.6 3764 6.63 76 19 16 36/206 52 7 77.1
2002 New York Giants 16 16 545 335 61.5 4073 7.47 82 19 14 24/152 61 4 85.4
2003 New York Giants 13 13 500 284 56.8 3110 6.22 77 13 16 28/164 29 7 70.7
2004 Oakland Raiders 14 13 513 289 56.3 3495 6.81 63 21 20 25/144 49 8 74.8
TOTAL 137 130 4517 2524 55.9 29878 6.61 89 153 154 257/1676 375 56 73.3

I'm salivating at the thought of passes sailing over TO's flapping arms or thudding against the back of Randy Moss.

You can't make TV that good!

by Pat (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 9:19pm

The cap acceleration would effect the already strapped Raiders.

From what I can see, the Raiders have $700,000 remaining this year. That's it. How could they possibly do this?

by Harris (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 9:28pm

I just love the idea of the Eagles pulling off two deals involving Owens so comically lopsided. A fifth-rounder and an injured DE, then one of the best young receivers in the game. Hee-hee-hee.

by calig23 (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 11:10pm

If only Keyshawn could go there as well, and Michael Irvin could go there as a coach, and Steven A Smith could take a job with the team, and Tom Arnold…

Hey, why stop there? Bring Jeff George out of retirement, work out a deal for Ricky Williams, and Freddie Mitchell to round out the WR corps. Get a Gramatica brother to share kicking duties with Janikowski and get Sauerbrun to punt. Let the hilarity ensue!

by Glenn (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 11:13pm

There's a reason Aaron found this story on Rotoworld....it's a wet dream fantasy football deal, and that's all. The story was just debunked by Chris Landry, Fox Sports football "insider", who says that Drew Rosenhaus put it out there. Whatever you think of Chris, that explanation makes sense. Golly, an agent trying to drum up interest for his client, who's not going to get a new deal....I am shocked, absolutely shocked!

So between Kraft's heisted bling and a goofy TO rumor, we've had 2 silly-season 24-hour-news-cycle football stories in 2 days.

Wake me when training camp starts.

by Dervin (not verified) :: Thu, 06/30/2005 - 11:44pm

Didn't somebody at ESPN.com float this idea a few months ago?

Maybe it could be a three way trade, Eagles get Porter, somebody else gets Owens and the Raiders get cannon fodder.

by Alan Milnes (not verified) :: Fri, 07/01/2005 - 8:00am

"That’s the same reason TO is staying in Philly. Cut him? Accelerates all the signing bonus. "

Pat - as far as I know TO got a roster bonus last year. If there was any signing bonus it was very small - the Eagles left themselves plenty leeway to not pick up the bonus on TO next year without having a financial impact.

by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 07/01/2005 - 10:50am

Hey, I was right. This rumor was wacky (and totally impossible according to the cap) and gave us something to talk about. Go me!

by C (not verified) :: Fri, 07/01/2005 - 4:01pm

If the Eagles cut T.O. now, they have to eat his signing bonus over three years. If he holds out while under contract they (a) don't have to pay him (b)can demand part of his bonus back and (c) put him on some sort of "ineligable" list after game 12 where he couldn't come back even if he wanted to. Bottom line: The Eagles hold all the cards and T.O. should shut up and play. This whole gambit was monumental stupid on his part and on the part of Drew Rosenhaus. Not only has it damaged T.O.'s endorsement deals in Philly (where he was worshipped like a God last year, especially after the Superbowl) but it has hurt his long term marketability with other teams. Who would want to trade for T.O. anyway, knowing that he wants to be the highest paid player in the NFL and is demanding a new contract.

by Nathan (not verified) :: Sat, 07/02/2005 - 11:40am

It's a stand that needs to be taken by the Eagles. They hold all of the cards, the situation will play out as not enough contract situations do.

If a player is grossly underpaid, and has shown that for 2 or more years, then I feel a holdout is a reasonable thing.

This would be Brady holding out making nothing.

One year after signing a deal. No way. Hold out, I hope you don't play. I hope the Eagles then grant your option, and you still don't play.

by Dan L (not verified) :: Sun, 07/03/2005 - 9:59am

I don't hope the Eagles take his option up if he doesn't play, Nathan. That option comes with a 5 million dollar roster bonus, which is the reason he doesn't think they'll keep him around for more than this year. Paying him $5 million to not play would be obscene.