Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

05 Aug 2005

Wide-Open Approach a Blast from the Past

Gus Frerotte fantasy stampede! Here comes the high-powered new Miami Dolphins offense! Of course, by the time Chambers and Booker have made it to the end of their routes, Frerotte will also be face-down in the turf with a couple defensive linemen sitting on top of him. I can't tell, is this from the new Onion sports section? (Free registration required)

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 05 Aug 2005

20 comments, Last at 10 Aug 2005, 2:52pm by OMO


by somebody (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 12:01pm

''For me, I love throwing the ball deep, and I've waited a long time in my career to have this opportunity,'' Frerotte said. ``I saw it in Minnesota. Yeah, we had [Randy Moss] there, but we've got [Chambers] here and he can do the same stuff.''


by Mike B. (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 12:12pm

Re: #1...

Keep in mind that this is the same person that gave HIMSELF a neck injury after a touchdown. I wouldn't give ol' Gus a lot of credit for, uh, incisive depth of commentary...

by karl (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 12:27pm

i think randy moss is far and away the best wr in the game, and top 3 player in the game, despite mr.schatz' analysis of his performance on grass (maybe it's because he didn't practice on it or their offense in general didn't perform as well on it, limiting his opportunities? haven't read prospectus yet, am purchasing soon) - so i'm not gonna compare chambers to moss.

that said, chambers is sick. no offensive player not named ricky williams (his 1800+ yd year was nothing short of miraculous) could have been successful under wanny.

by Jesus (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 12:37pm

Randy Moss "far and away" the best receiver in the game...? What would T.O. say to that???

That should create some debate, eh?

& after I personally healed T.O.'s leg for the superbowl, this is the thanks we get !
Jesus Chri... I mean -JEESH!

by Johonny (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 12:43pm

Chambers/Booker/Boston seems more exciting than anything the Dolphins have put together in the post Shula era. It's sure a more fun preseason this year than last years preseason of doom

by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 1:18pm

The analysis of Moss on grass vs. Moss on turf came from Michael David Smith, not me.

by PaulNoonan (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 3:02pm

Q. What do Randy Moss and Ricky Williams have in common?

A. They both suck on grass.

by Richie (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 3:28pm

Of course, by the time Chambers and Booker have made it to the end of their routes, Frerotte will also be face-down in the turf with a couple defensive linemen sitting on top of him.

I wish there was some reasonable method to anticipate the Dolphins offensive line performance this year.

by fyo (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 6:35pm

I still believe Feeley is going to be the starter in Miami. There's just no way Saban wouldn't have acquired a young quarterback, a real "project", something, anything, if he didn't believe there was a CHANCE Feeley was the future. No way is Frerotte the future, even in a next year sense of the word. Frerotte is there to push Feeley, teach Feeley and step in if Feeley flops.

Wannestedt hung on to his precious system and quarterback even when the season was down the drain, effectively blowing the chance to evaluate existing quarterback "talent" in game situations. His system was built up to promote Fiedler in every way. Just look at how Griese performed in Tampa! Not saying he's the second coming of Bob, or anything like that, but he clearly has some talent. Feeley could well have that as well, we just don't know yet.

by Reinhard (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 6:38pm

Hard to tell with their line, Huock (sp?) offensive line coach being an x-factor there. They did have Booker, Chambers, Boston last year... I thought that Booker would help their offence more last year. Who knows, but, remember chambers was a good fantasy pickup a few years ago.

by Johonny (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 6:47pm

I think it's important to remember that Griese broke his toe in preseason. Basically he came off the DL and had to start almost instantly. I think he preformed about what you would expect for someone who was in a new system, missed part of preseason, and had to start behind a bad o-line with his mobility limited.

Of the bad Olines in 2003
3 were able to move up into the 2nd Tier in 2004. It's about the same for 2002-2003. So I'd say theirs 60 % chance the Dolphins improve to a 2 Tier unit this season.

by Richie (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 8:23pm

Where do you get this "tier" rating for O lines?

by Sergio (not verified) :: Fri, 08/05/2005 - 11:26pm

I can't believe that, in discussing the best receiver currently playing, nobody mentions Marvin Harrison...

Goes to show - be loud, and they'll notice you.

by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 08/06/2005 - 2:25am

I wouldn't necessarily mention Harrison in that discussion, because I'm not convinced he's still the best receiver on his own team anymore. Wayne has gotten better, Marvin has declined with age, and instead of being ultra-elite he's now just super-great. But I doubt he's still one of the best two or three.

by Nathan (not verified) :: Sat, 08/06/2005 - 2:31am

How does he go from being ultra-elite to super-great?

If you are thrown to less, and subsequently catch less. If Wayne is thrown to more, as well as other options, how does that affect how good Harrison is?

To be honest, I felt like they threw to everyone else more because it was a contract year for Harrison. That was just a guess, but you never felt like, when watching Colts games, that Harrison couldn't have caught a ton more passes.

He just wasn't thrown to.

by Adam H (not verified) :: Sat, 08/06/2005 - 11:06am

Re #7 I am actually gonna tell that one at work today. Good stuff.

by Kibbles (not verified) :: Sat, 08/06/2005 - 11:37pm

Ahhh... Football Outsiders. I love this place because I can make a claim like "The Dolphins have the best WR trio in the league" without being laughed out of town. Sure, Harrison/Wayne/Stokley have all the numbers, but they've also got the league MVP and a line that's pretty gosh darn good at keeping him upright for long periods of time.

I've said before that I don't know if I've EVER seen a 3-deep WR corps that's better than Miami's this season. They have THREE guys who all have put up very productive seasons as the only receiving threat on the team, facing the toughest coverage schemes, and with QBs ranging from good (Plummer) to bad (Fiedler) to HORRIBLE (Miller). And all 3 guys are 28 or younger! I have never seen a team with 3 guys capable of being a productive #1 on a team with little talent and no other receiving threat.

I think if Miami can improve their O-line just a little, and if Boston isn't a complete head case this season, their passing game will be SIGNIFICANTLY improved. I can't see how any team is going to be able to cover all 3 guys on any given play.

by Johonny (not verified) :: Mon, 08/08/2005 - 1:49pm

The ratings come from this website. I was looking at bottom ~10/mid ~10/ top ~10 on Aarons rating system.

by Carl (not verified) :: Mon, 08/08/2005 - 1:51pm

In the pressbox last year I mentioned to the gathered that I'd vote for Clayton of Tampa Bay as the rookie of the year. The reporters howled.

The scouts agreed.

I'd still put the Colts' trio as the top, of course, but would it be crazy to mention the Bengals in second?

It's hard to even say that, but it's probably true.

by OMO (not verified) :: Wed, 08/10/2005 - 2:52pm

No kibbles...you're still getting laughed out of town.

One underrated WR in Chambers, one WR in Boston with a billion dollar body and a 5-cent brain and one steady performer.

Top 10? Easily.

Top 5? Maybe.

Best? No.

I'm not willing to bust out the "Top" label until they do it out on the field.

Especially considering it takes two (WR and QB) to tango in the passing game...and Miami's QBs don't inspire a lot of confidence in my mind.