Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

28 Nov 2006

Obscene Gesture Will Cost Vick $20K

I officially deem this Rickdiculous. Rather than flipping the dirty birds at the (rightfully) angry fans, Vick should have just gone for the guy's knees. Would have been almost the same fine.

Posted by: Benjy Rose on 28 Nov 2006

35 comments, Last at 30 Nov 2006, 10:50pm by antwaan


by Bill Barnwell :: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 11:10pm

Or, alternately, he could've punched the man in the testicles four times. FOUR TIMES!

by Adam H (not verified) :: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 11:11pm

Well that's a nice image Bill.

by G (not verified) :: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 11:17pm

How much was the Haynesworth fine again??

by Jesus Christ (not verified) :: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 11:22pm

Surely this will garner Vick consideration for "Offensive" Player of the Week

by DrewTS (not verified) :: Tue, 11/28/2006 - 11:39pm

Re 3

I don't recall, but we should also remember he got suspended for 5 games which easily puts it up into the hundreds of thousands.

by Dan (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 12:47am

I won't take any of these fines seriously until they start impacting the rich life these guys lead. What's $20k to Vick? A drop in the bucket that's more of an insult to the rest of us than punishment to him. A $20k fine would put a serious hurt on me, which is probably why I don't go around flipping people off on national TV - the NFL should at least make these fines WORTH the time it takes to review and decide on whether to fine or not.

$100k - now you're talking punishment to a multi-millionare, and even then I bet they won't notice it's missing.

rant off...

by Sophandros (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 12:58am

I wish that the CBA had any teeth to it, and allowed the league to suspend him for a game.

Then again, maybe I don't, because then maybe the Falcons offense may become good...

by Erasmus (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 1:30am

who cares he flipped someone off. No fine is good enough for me....

by Erasmus (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 1:34am

no fine at all I mean.

by michael (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 1:59am


I think the larger bit here is not that Vick's gesture was essentially meaningless (which it really was), but that he got fined approximately as much ($5,000 less, really) than Tom Nalen of the Broncos for his rather intentional cheap shot at Igor Olshansky's knees.

(chances are real good there's a spelling mistake in there).

You flip the bird to fans, wear the wrong socks, have a personal message on your uniform, and there's hell to pay. Attempt to cripple a man, and, as they say, the punishment does not fit the crime.

re: the haynesworth fine: i don't think there was a separate fine, just the suspension, making it apparently $190,000 lost for the 5 games out.

by Insancipitory (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:07am

Given the potential FCC fine to affiliates should the fundementalist ass-clown contingent write letters of complaint to the FCC claiming they could read his lips and or were offended by the gesture, can we reasonably expect different? The failing isn't with the NFL, but the values of the people who the NFL serves. The NFL has enough sense enough to know that Vick's lack of class is probably of greater economic concern than some specific player's career in professional sports. (The economic value of that player being able to walk without a cane, or run around with his children being zero.)

by centrifuge (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 4:32am

The whole Haynesworth-lost-his-game-pay thing would mean more to me if the league forced the team to donate his pay for those games to the pool that fines go to (which I believe goes to charities of some nature). I understand that it means something to him, but it would just mean more to me.

by queequeg (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:16am

this is garbage. i hope he appeals this and overturns it.

by Mike (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:17am

Man, 20k fine for dropping back in the pocket.

OH! You mean his other obscene gesture. Well, shit.

by Theo (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:58am

"FO Emblazoned Swag"?!

by White Rose Duelist (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 11:35am

Just which Rick are we basing that word on? The one I know who frequents FO prefers "redonkulous".

What happened to Billick for his broadcast-to-the-world tirade about the g--d--- f------ measurement a few weeks ago?

Sometimes I think the NFL has an old whell from Wheel of Fortune, and when they need to issue a fine, they spin that and add a 0 to the end of what they get.

by Mike (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 12:25pm

Can we fine Matt Leinart for obscenity every time he hands off to Edgerrin James?


by Sophandros (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 1:33pm


I don't know what line of work you're in, but I would assume that your customers would not like it very much if you went about flipping them off.

Just a hunch.

by HoseBeast (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 1:41pm

Each time the camera zooms in & we can lip read some player eloquently screaming "f---" or "sh--" the network should be fined and the player should get a knee to the groin. For severe "turrettes' type outbursts the player shall receive a nice shoe endorsement. Bigger is better.

by ots (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 2:44pm

If a customer tells me I suck, I have no problem flipping them off.

by Pacifist Viking (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:13pm

6: I think the same thing about a lot of fines. When I was in grad school making less than $10,000 a year, I got a traffic ticket; if Mike Vick got the same traffic ticket, he would have paid the same amount as I did. Is that "fair" or "equal"? Poor people always suffer from fines more than rich people. I think there's even a Scandinavian country that does make traffic fines a percentage of your income.

by Zac (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:24pm

Or you could try to stop sucking.

by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:28pm


Mike Vick would have to admit that his game isnt perfect, for that to happen....

by MCS (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:12pm

For the record, I think Vick should be fined, but that's not what this comment is about.

I think that the NFL should change the fines from monetary value to percentage of salary. Create a list that has a the infractions and the corresponding fines. Make it less arbitrary and give it more bite.

BTW, If my customer told me I sucked, justified or not, and I flipped him off or said eff you as Vick did, I would probably get fired.

As a professional, the expectation is that I behave in a professional manner at all times, regardless of what those around me are doing.

by morganja (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:00pm

But on the other hand, he did flip off the Atlanta 'fans'. That should count in his favor.

by Bilbo (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:03pm

When Mike retires, maybe he could get a job on Letterman as the F**k You! guy.

by Mnatr (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:20pm

Speaking of Vick, I think Aaron is correct when he says that the Falcons need a change in philosophy. They have needs on defense. Their offense isn't working. But whereas they're trying to build a conventional D, they're building an O around a unique quarterback. As evidenced by the dearth in production from their 1st round wideouts, offensive talent doesn't improve production much. However, there's no reason to think the same about their defense. It needs depth and talent and there's no reason to think the talent the front office brings in won't translate to good defensive play.

I'm not suggesting that the Falcons invest their picks and cap space solely in D, but given that Vick does just as well with the Brian Finneran's of the world as he does with 1st round picks, they should concentrate on defense first and go after bargains for offense.

by RichConley (not verified) :: Wed, 11/29/2006 - 10:36pm

27 I agree. They need to start working on something else.

I dont think bringing in a stud WR would make any difference in atlanta. Vick just isnt going to see him all the time.

I think they need to work on the defence, and start using Vick's talents, and essentially do with their offense what Bill Bellichek did to the Pats defence.

Say: TE is a position that is undervalued. I'm going to get the best of them otu there, and pay little cap space for them. I think Atlanta should really start running some silly 4TE 1RB 1QB 5OL base sets. Vick likes his huge tight end. Get him some more of them. Play out of predominately running sets, and ocassionally have the TEs run deep routes.

by marc (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 1:26am

"BTW, If my customer told me I sucked, justified or not, and I flipped him off or said eff you as Vick did, I would probably get fired."

that will become relevant once millions of people will pay lots of money to watch you do your job, and buy shirts with your name on them.
Besides, you'd probably be fired if you tackled your coworkers to the ground as hard as you could too. I guess Vick should've been fired four times already due to his four career tackles!

by joel in providence (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 2:11am

joe buck for commissioner!

by antwaan (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 10:45pm

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by antwaan (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 10:46pm

i would fine him. who would'nt he's a loser jerk head

by antwaan (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 10:47pm

i would not fine him he's so nice

by antwaan (not verified) :: Thu, 11/30/2006 - 10:49pm

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