Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

04 May 2008

Emmitt Smith has Advice for Pacman Jones

"As long as you're not killing anybody, getting anybody shot at and going to jail, then I don't have any issues." Note to Emmitt: Pacman has gone to jail, and he has gotten somebody, not just shot at, but shot. He hasn't killed anyone that we know of, but would it really be a surprise? Emmitt also says that Jones "understands the do's and don'ts, the rights and wrongs." I honestly don't think he does.

Posted by: Vincent Verhei on 04 May 2008

41 comments, Last at 13 Jan 2012, 12:17pm by james sparker


by Marko (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:46pm

Maybe he should have given this advice to Cedric Benson, too.

by Lance (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:47pm

Obviously Jones knows right and wrong. It's simply a question of if he has the willpower to resist temptation to do wrong (and expect/hope that he won't get caught). And note to Vince: Smith is obviously talking about Jones' behavior in the present/future (as a Cowboy), and not the past. I know lots of people love to bag on Dallas, but at some point it gets sort of lame.

by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:56pm

People wouldn't bag on the Cowboys if the Cowboys didn't make it so easy to do. "Well, you got somebody shot (and paralyzed) before, but we're cool so long as you don't do it again." That's a bit too forgiving for me, but I suppose when one works with junkies and dope dealers, one grows a thicker skin.

by Lance (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 8:43pm

Yeah, I work with junkies and dope dealers all the time. Cool. Have fun at church, Harris.

by EmmittsmithJoe (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 8:56pm

I am almost believing Pacman is better now. He done went on the Michael Irvin radio show which means he is wanting to get better. I have faith in him, but also confidence. His comeback will be bogubrious and sedentary and the National Football Society will benefit. Everybody is making mistakes sometomes and leopards can change their stripes. You'll see!

That receiver from the Cincinatties, Chad Henry, he could go on Michael's show too.

by Doug Farrar :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:00pm

wouldn't be the first time Emmitt has defended the indefensible.

Back in July, ESPN should’ve known what it was getting itself into.
In an off-the-cuff interview on ESPNews, Smith took up for Michael Vick, attempting
to lend insight into how the legal system works.

"He’s the biggest fish in the whole doggone pond right now,"
Emmitt said, stumbling through both the dictionary and the animal kingdom. "So
they’re putting the squeeze on him to get to everyone else.

"Now granted," continued Emmitt, again without someone from ESPN
standing nearby to pull his plug, "he might have been to a dogfight a time
or two, maybe five times, maybe 20 times, may have bet some money. But he’s
not the one you’re after. He’s just the one who is going to take
the fall publicly."

by Tom (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:10pm

Emmitt Smith on the Super Bowl 42 pre-game show, "I pick the Giants to win this game."

by TomHat (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:48pm

re 7: is this the same Tom troll from like 2 months ago who posts in every emmitt smith post talking about qwerty jockeys living in their mom's basement and emmitt smith being the new jesus because he picked the giants to win?

Emmitt Smith -- Supports murderers, supports dog fighters, supports terrible grammar, supports the giants beating the patriots. All around great guy.

by BDC (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 10:34pm


"If they win today they could possibly go on to the Super Bowl"
-Emmitt Smith commenting on the NFC Championship game in regards to the Giants.

Yep, the man sure is a genius.

by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 11:14pm

#4 How the hell would I know where you work? Emmitt Smith worked with junkies (Michael Irvin) and drug dealers (Nate Newton).

by Francisco (not verified) :: Sun, 05/04/2008 - 11:50pm

I've been great friends with junkies and drug dealers. They're not bogeymen. Christ, you say that like co-employment (not even friendship!) is grounds for condemnation.

by Len (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 12:05am

This is the least intelligent Extra Point thread I've ever read.

by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 12:21am

Re #12:
You must've missed some of the great Falcon homer threads, then.

by Zack Attack (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 12:27am

#4: Brrrrrrrrrrrrrap

by Pat (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 1:48am

#13: Hey hey hey! The Falcon homer threads did have plenty of intelligent comments in them. It's just that they flew right over the heads of the Falcon homers who were convinced that Jim Mora, Jr. had unlocked the secret of the NFL by having his players practice recovering fumbles.

by brasilbear (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 8:25am

Wasn't it the Redskins fans who were screaming about Gibbs developing a new offense that preferred to convert 3rd and longs?

That was another brilliant discussion.

by darth vader (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 9:07am

I suppose if Emmitt Smith spent his career with the Cardinals we wouldn't even know who he is.

by ammek (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 10:49am

What is preferable? Emmitt's defense attorney / NFL public relations officer gestures of misplaced solidarity, or all the other talking heads with their phoney hand-wringing and tedious moralizing.

The answer might be: don't listen to old hacks talking about subjects which beyond their speciality - ie, playing football. Heck, Emmitt can't even talk knowledgeably or intelligibly about that. Why would you expect him to be the nation's conscience?

by Kevin11 (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 11:15am

Note to Emmitt: Pacman has gone to jail, and he has gotten somebody, not just shot at, but shot.

Any evidence to support this?

by Richie (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 12:58pm

I thought this was going to be the same Emmitt Smith who gave us the wonderful NFL Draft preview.

by Vincent Verhei :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 1:25pm

19: Well, let's see. We all know Jones was at a strip club where a riot broke out and three people were shot. He was accused of biting a security guard and ramming a stripper's head into the stage. He pled guilty to disorderly conduct, which by definition means he admits starting the riot. And then, as a result of this riot, a bullet hit a man's spine and put him in a wheelchair. I'm not saying Jones pulled the trigger, or even that he told someone else to do it. But that story sure sounds to me like he got someone shot. I suppose it's up for interpretation.

by Kevin11 (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 1:47pm

He pled guilty to disorderly conduct, which by definition means he admits starting the riot.

The definition of "disorderly conduct" is "starting a riot"?

by MJK (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 2:19pm

Well, "starting a riot" would definitely qualify as "disorderly conduct", but I'm not sure the converse is implied.

by Vincent Verhei :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 2:26pm

So in your opinion, Jones committed disorderly conduct, and meanwhile, at the same time, in the same building, a riot broke out, and this was a complete coincidence? You think the riot and Jones' behavior were entirely unrelated?

by TomHat (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 3:39pm

24: lol, clearly.

22: Look, im sure you could spend all day arguing over this, but the answer to "any evidence to support this?" is "yes, there is a lot of evidence to support this, however possibly not enough to convict him." However he certainly at least hangs out with people who do bad things, even if he himself does not do it.

by The Real Emmitt (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 4:53pm

See the importune thing to misremember in all this is that as long as Adam "Missile Command" Jones don't get himself debacled in any more striped clubs, with the "making it thunder" and polarizing the guards with ricochetness, he be a very good football player for the cowboys.

by Tom (not verified) :: Mon, 05/05/2008 - 9:38pm

Who said Pacman committed disorderly conduct? Vince or Emmitt?

by TomHat (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 7:57am

the law.

by Alex (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 9:16am

So in your opinion, Jones committed disorderly conduct, and meanwhile, at the same time, in the same building, a riot broke out, and this was a complete coincidence? You think the riot and Jones’ behavior were entirely unrelated?

No, but that doesn't mean Jones started the riot. Jones could've easily been charged with disorderly conduct for participating in a riot that had been started by someone else.

by Kevin11 (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 1:43pm

You think the riot and Jones’ behavior were entirely unrelated?

"Entirely unrelated" is a pretty tough standard, and there's a pretty big leap between that "he has gotten somebody, not just shot at, but shot".

by Vincent Verhei :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:36pm

No, but that doesn’t mean Jones started the riot. Jones could’ve easily been charged with disorderly conduct for participating in a riot that had been started by someone else.

I don't think anyone else in the club has been accused of or charged with anything. If someone else instigated the brawl, you would think the people in the club would want that guy brought to justice as well.

by Kevin11 (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 3:59pm

I don’t think anyone else in the club has been accused of or charged with anything.

IIRC the alleged shooter has been charged.

by Vincent Verhei :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 4:41pm

I was referring to starting or instigating the riot. To my knowledge, nobody besides Jones has been blamed for that.

by Kevin11 (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 5:17pm

Vinnie, me loves ya to death. The Seventh Day Adventure threads add to my Saturdays.

But were making assumptions about assumptions here. I don't think an actual "riot" can take place in a nightclub. And while I'm not annointing Jones for sainthood, I truly beleive in my heart of hearts that he had nothing to do with the shooting of Tom Urbanski. The person that is 100% responsible is the man who pulled the trigger.

by Vincent Verhei :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 7:49pm

Seventh Day Adventure is a different Vinny. So you're under no obligation to like me. Although, to paraphrase Cheap Trick, I'd like you to like me.

Arguing over what is and isn't a "riot" seems kind of silly to me. I just reread the original ESPN story, which uses "melee" instead of riot.

I just read a few stories on the arrest of Arvin Edwards, the alleged shooter in the case. Jones' story is that as they were leaving, Edwards (who he apparently did not know) told him "he would take care of it" (I'm quoting a news story there, not the police report) and then they heard shots.

Which means, if Jones behaves himself and acts like a normal human being, Edwards never has to "take care of" anything and nobody gets shot.

So no, I don't think it's unfair to say that Jones got somebody shot.

by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Tue, 05/06/2008 - 7:59pm

Hey, Emmitt was just telling the truth about that Giants possibly making the Super Bowl thing. For instance, they could've been swallowed up by an earthquake, or attacked by the dinos from Jurassic Park, or just decided to go to the beach and have a bonfire...

by Adam (not verified) :: Wed, 05/07/2008 - 2:37pm

^ It's what you get when every writer and "analyst" is always saying "coulds" and "mights" rather than "probably" and "likely" and "should."

No accountability.

by Kyle S (not verified) :: Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:16am

This thread makes another one on this site that shall remain nameless look like a Nobel Laureate roundtable by comparison.

by Bobman (not verified) :: Mon, 05/12/2008 - 5:51am

38 That is really really low. Which irrational thread, BTW? if memory serves, Peyton Branning is still the gold standard for irrationality, well in excess of Spygate (r).

FWIW, I think Vince might have exceeded the limits of pure fact in the interest of adding a little humor to his delivery, as well as his opinion, which appears to be widely shared. His goal in stating that was not to convict Jones, but to indicate that Emmitt's, as Emmitt might say, treading on thin water.

I'll side with him, and the views espoused in 25/28. Mr Jones has a lt to answer for; partly because of that and partly because of the really flaky information we have on the strip club melee, he appears to bear some respsonsiblity for the shooting.

My view of it: if I am at a strip club and separately there is a guy with a gun who shoots someone else, I don't think I bear any particular responsiblity. But if I start a riot by, as Emmitt might say, "making it thunder," and the guy shoots his victim, I will probably go to my grave thinking I bore some responsibility for his actions. Even if totally unrelated (and what authority on earth can definitively say that?) the melee may well have played a part in his decision to fire. Calling them unrelated incidents seems naive. Calling them not-necessarily-related is closer to an actual fact, but still a bit naive.

by thestar5 (not verified) :: Wed, 05/14/2008 - 3:20am

Worst.. Extra Point... Ever..

by james sparker (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:17pm

pac man jones is a good athlet he just need to stop with gettin i troubel