Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

28 Aug 2010

Donnie Avery Out For Season

This was expected, but the report didn't come in until after business hours: Donnie Avery's torn his ACL and will miss the 2010 season.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 28 Aug 2010

25 comments, Last at 31 Aug 2010, 8:39am by Dean


by Spielman :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 12:29pm


by Karma Coma :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 4:22pm

Maybe. Maybe not, if the Rams can handle a few other secondaries the way the handled the Pats' on Thursday.

(All standard preseason disclaimers apply.)

by Redmadness (not verified) :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 5:25pm

The Patriots are just a not very good football team. The secondary is especially awful.

I still can't believe why anybody would call Meriweather Pro Bowl caliber. Takes bad angles all the time. No leadership. Always looking for a big hit instead of a solid and sound tackle. Can't believe why they pulled James Sanders again ... he might not be the best Safety, but at least he can give that secondary a tiny bit organizational structure. Chung, McGowan? Nothin. Same as last year, first half of the season Sanders was benched, the secondary was awful.

CBs? Well no support from a "pass rush". If Banta-Cain is your "best" pass rusher, something is seriously broken.

And coaching wise ... Belichick? All parts of the team for which belichick has reponsibility (DBs, DC ...) suck. Ever since Mangini left, secondary has been awful. Ever since McGenius left, offensive playcalling has been awful.

by Karma Coma :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 6:10pm

i'm going to have to take away that stick before you start poking any more hornet nests

by RickD :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 12:36pm

The offense is just fine. And actually, their run defense is pretty good. But the pass defense leaves much to be desired.

The problem against the Rams was not the lack of a pass rush. Not that there was a good pass rush, but receivers were getting open so quickly that even a good pass rush would have been useless.

But let's not pretend that Mangini was the reason the secondary was better five years ago. The personnel was completely different. BB apparently thinks he can turn anybody into Ty Law or Asante Samuel.

Well, McCourty is a rookie and Butler is a seccond-year player. They will presumably both improve. And Bodden is a solid player - he's not the problem.

The Pats have basically changed their defense completely (except for Wilfork) in the past two years.

by Guy#1 (not verified) :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:04pm

Definition of a knee-jerk reaction. The Pats play one poor game and suddenly Mangini is a better coach than Belichick.

Save it for the regular season, fool

by MJK :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 3:57pm

I'm perhaps colored by the inevitable hope that biases fans of every team, but it's important to remember that the Pats are re-tooling their secondary this year. They were good back in 2003 and 2004...and then all the key players got old and got traded, cut, retired, or kept playing but not very well. Add to that the fact that the Pats continued to perform well and thus kept on getting poor draft orderings as a result (and had one or two bad or offensively focused drafts in there), and some defensive decline is inevitable. Losing Mangini probably did hurt, as he certainly was a pretty good defensive mind, but that's only part of the story.

Anyway, on to this year. The Pats needed to get younger and faster in the secondary. They have been working on doing just that. Look at the projected players making the roster: McCourty (rookie), Butler (2nd year), Bodden, Wilhite (3rd year), maybe Wheatley (3rd year), Chung (2nd year), Meriweather (3rd year), McGowan, and Sanders. That makes Bodden and Sanders the old experienced veterans of the group...and they're all under 30.

A good secondary takes time to gel...it's like the O-line in the sense that every player not only needs to play their own position well, but needs to know what everyone else is doing, too...they all need to be on the same page. Hence, in a pre-season game, you expect offenses to play better than pass defenses, especially ones largely made out of young players, because so early in the season the defense hasn't got it together yet.

For wall we know, McCourty and Chung could be the next coming of "The Lawyer and the Law"...we just don't know yet, because they're still young. But I think this secondary has a lot of potential.

The pass rush on the other hand...you're right. The picture looks pretty dismal there. Especially with Ty Warren out for the year.

by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 9:42pm

Ramms.lots of pronlems.
Avery okay. Come back ni 2011 when Rams maybe become good enoufh to win 4 games.2010 going to bee a.ther 2-14 season. Crap all over rooster. Going to be biggeer laughingstock than detroit luins and denver broincod this year . Team smell like rotten egg

by justanothersteve :: Sat, 08/28/2010 - 10:48pm

You're right, RJ. I live in STL and this team is still awful. Bradford and Jackson may give them a couple more wins than last year, but they can't stop anyone. Fortunately for me I'm a Packers fan.

by Dean :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 11:10am

Where abouts? I moved here last year.

by Bobman :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 1:25am

I always thought that should be the Detroit Loins, or maybe Loons.

Luins works, too, though....

by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 2:51am

Crap all over rooster.

There are few things that sum up the current state of the Rams franchise quite like this mental image.

RaiderJoe, we salute you.

by ChargerJeff :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 2:50pm

Sweet merciful gods of hilarity, why do you do that to me?

I'm not going to be right for the rest of the day now.

Thank you, RaiderJoe.


"Shut up," I explained.

by RickD :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 12:38pm

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Rams go 5-11 this year. Their division is really quite bad. The Cardinals have no QB and the Seahawks are in free fall. Even the 49ers are a few bricks short of a respectable playoff team (though they are the best of a bad lot).

by Dean :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 11:09am

We don't disagree too often, but I think you're selling the Rams short this year.

There are only 4 sure-fire-guaranteed losses on the schedule.

I'm not saying they're a playoff team or anything. They're not. But at miniumum, they go 2-4 in the division, beat Washington, Tampa, and KC. That's 5 wins. And they still would have games against Detroit, Carolina, and Denver possibly with Tebow at QB. Even winning 1 of those 3 puts them at 6-10.

They're still bad. But not nearly as bad as people think.

by BJR :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 6:52am

So the Rams just went from having the worst group of receivers in the league to.....what? Are there any remotely acceptable receivers on their roster?

Has Torry Holt retired yet? Does he have a team? At least he could still run routes and occupy defenders.

by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 8:15am

The ghost of Torry Holt was recently released by the Patriots with an injury settlement.

by John (not verified) :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 9:45am

As a Colts fan, I hope I don't see it, but Marvin Harrison is available. Hopefully playing for the Rams isn't on his bucket list.

by Dean :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 11:10am

Washington just called to remind you that Avery and Laurent Robinson would both start over any of the flotsam in DC.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:25pm

Oh, look, it's the Buccaneers over there waving to say "hi".

by BJR :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 1:13pm

Take tight end receptions into account as well and I reckon the Rams lose hands down.

by Dean :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 1:56pm

Depends on what growth they get out of Fells. He's not going to make anybodys preseason allstar team or anything, but he showed a bit last year. Enough that they made no attempt to re-sign Randy McMichael, anyway.

by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/30/2010 - 5:27pm

I like how nobody remembers that Santana Moss is pretty good.

"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.

by Dean :: Tue, 08/31/2010 - 8:39am

I believe you have the wrong verb tense, sir.

by t.d. :: Sun, 08/29/2010 - 4:24pm