Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

04 Oct 2010

Vick, McCoy Suffer Rib Injuries

The laundry list of injuries for Philadelphia following Sunday's loss to Washington goes as follows:

- Michael Vick suffered a rib cartilage injury that may keep him out of next week's game against the 49ers.
- LeSean McCoy fractured a rib in the first half, but came back to play after halftime.
- Asante Samuel suffered a concussion.
- Riley Cooper suffered a concussion.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 04 Oct 2010

33 comments, Last at 06 Oct 2010, 3:09am by socctty


by Dean :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:10pm

Kolb didn't look awful, but he seemed to be holding the ball way too long. There was no such thing as a "quick" throw while he's in the game.

Having said that, he looked better than the dogkiller yesterday. They lost, but it wasn't Kolb who committed 8 penalties. He didn't fumble at the 21 yard line. He wasn't covering kicks (nobody else was, either).

All he did was complete 63% of his passes and put the game winning TD in Jason Avant's hands. They were dinks and dunks, but that's to be expected from a guy with what, 6 career games?

But he's not a big star, so the boys at ESPN will act like this is some sort of tragedy.

by qed :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:35pm

I'll be interested in seeing what Kolb's DVOA for that game was, his conventional rating was only 76.0. Watching it live I thought it wasn't a good performance. Seemed like almost all the yardage up until the fourth quarter was coming on screens and other very short passes. Kolb looked spooked, seemed like he was moving away from pressure that often wasn't there, and couldn't get the ball out quickly. Considering that the Washington pass defense wasn't highly regarded before this game I doubt it generated too many Kevin Kolb believers. He's still only got 5 quarters of action this year, too early to figure out where his development is at.

by alien1rock :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:42pm

He put the game winning TD in Avant's hands, but also put the game clinching INT in Rogers hands on that same drive.

by dmb :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:59pm

Throwing a pass into Carlos Rogers' hands isn't much more dangerous than throwing the ball away into the sidelines. His coverage is okay, but he does more than his part to keep that old cliche about defensive backs alive: "if he could catch, he'd be playing offense..."

by alien1rock :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 5:09pm

Agree about Rogers stone hands, but if playing the "almost did X" game, we have to go both ways. Kolb was just as close to throwing the final drive away like Charlie Batch did as he was to hitting a winner hail mary.

by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 7:03pm

If Kolb had played better, he would have been handing off to kill the clock rather than throwing a hail mary at the end.

by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:21am

If Andy hadn't screwed up the end of the first half, they'd have been tied at the end of the game.

by CDB (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:19pm

I thought Kolb looked pretty awful yesterday. He didn't threaten down the field at all and was quick to scramble rather than trying to make a play through the air. While he's only got 6 games at QB, he's been in the system quite a while and needs to play better for the Eagles to have a chance; to put it bluntly, 5.7 yards per passing attempt isn't going to win too many games.

by claremont :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:41pm

If Vick can't play for the rest of the season, can the Eagles take him to the shelter and put him down so they don't have to pay his salary for the rest of the year? After all, that's what Vick would have done to one of his dogs that got injured and lost a fight.

by Treima6 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:55pm

As far as I recall, the dogs didn't even get THAT dignified a send-off.

by johonny (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 6:41pm

I'll go out on a limb and say "let's put down Vick like a dog" jokes aren't funny.

by Dean :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 8:13am

Actually, it might BE a limb.

They're getting stale, but that's because they ARE funny, to the point where even idiots who go around quoting Jim Carey movies are making them.

by mattman :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:49pm

I'll split the difference and say that Kolb wasn't great, but not as bad as many (especially in Philly) are saying. Yes, he checked down pass after pass. But those checkdowns were pretty successful, he drove the team into scoring position several times and was victimized by Reid's clock management, McCoy's fumble, and endless penalties. He threw no interceptions outside of the game-ending hail mary. And he did have them right there at the end.

Kolb seems to be swimming out there, but at some point things should slow down for him, he'll be able to spot open guys downfield, and who knows - maybe the o-line will start to come together a little. Dear god, it had better.

by Dean :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 4:53pm

That's kind of what I was trying to say. I'm not trying to praise the kid to the moon. That'd be going overboard the other way. He looked like a first-year starter. Go figure. He may not have gotten style points, but he did what he had to do to win, only to have his receiver drop the ball. As time goes on, expectations will rise, and his performance will have to get better. But this wasn't the reincarnation of Mark Bulger and Keith Null.

by Kevin from Philly :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 5:05pm

Hey, he's still getting his feet wet as a QB, so it's not surprising he isn't lighting up the scoreboard. As I recall, Donovan was a checkdown artist his first season too. The hail mary was a pretty good deep ball, just didn't connect. It's a shame Andy didn't let him (or encourage him) to try that earlier.

by bingo762 :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 8:38am

Well put. Also, had Avant made the GW catch, I wonder how people's perception in Philly would've changed.

by socctty :: Wed, 10/06/2010 - 3:09am

This brings up an interesting idea to me. I wonder how much the antipathy towards "check downs" are due to it being called a "check down" or "dump off". If we used "safety valve" or something more positive, would there be so much angst towards QBs who use them?

I guess there's an argument that "safety valve" and "dump off" started on the same footing and that "dump off" won because such a play is typically a negative one.

by the cat in the box is dead (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 5:47pm

All through that game I was absolutely convinced Kolb was terrible. I'm starting to calm down from that- if the whole Vick thing hadn't happened, I'd have probably accepted a game or two like this as part of the ups and downs of breaking in a new QB. I do worry about Kolb missing out on vital playing time, and it stunting his growth, but looking at it with hindsight I don't think Andy Reid had a choice but to play the guy who is way better than him at QB right now.

To conclude, I have no freakin' idea how this is all going to play out and neither does anyone else.

by Thok :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 6:02pm

next week's game against the 49ers

The six word reason why Philly fans shouldn't be panicking in the short run. Knowing the 49ers, they'll accidently run into Vick during one of the plays, magically healing his ribs as well as picking up an unnecessary roughness penalty to keep an Eagles TD drive alive.

(Yes, I'm fully in support of the 2-14 and draft a QB plan. Why do you ask?)

by Adam B. :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 6:50pm

Right now, I'm rooting for a Jeff Garcia signing so we can have a QB controversy again.

by DW94 :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 7:52pm

When I initially read this I thought you meant that Jeff Garcia would create a quarterback controversy for the 49ers. Meaning a 40 year old Jeff Garcia is better/comparable to Alex Smith (hey, you never know...). Maybe you were referring to the Eagles sarcastically because of the "controversy" after his 2006 performance. Maybe something else? At any rate I had a really long laugh. Thanks.

by coboney :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 9:20pm

Pretty sure he meant the Eagles signing him to back up Kolb if Vick is out for a while....

But, as a 49er fan - Could he be worst then Alex Smith/David Carr? I have my doubts there. Maybe he'd bring some of the magical 'swagger' through that he always did.

On second thought, I doubt that Garcia would actually solve the 49ers QB issues.

As for Eagles fans, the 49ers will do just enough to worry you slightly, then manage to do everything they can to make sure you leave with the win. Don't worry, you can try to give it back but the 49ers are getting practiced at this. You could probably start Mike Kafka and win 17-10 or something like that.

by the cat in the box is dead (not verified) :: Mon, 10/04/2010 - 7:10pm

If we sign Garcia again, Andy Reid gets to tick off a box and shout 'Bingo!'

by bingo762 :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 8:39am

You rang

by bubqr :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 3:56am

I won't read much into Kolb's performance vs the Skins.
The Eagles never seem to play well vs WAS, usually because the CBs play physical, which both starting WRs don't seem to handle well, and with safeties playing very deep, Reid never exploiting that by running the ball.

by Dean :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 8:15am

The Eagles aren't going to sign Garcia. They're going to trade Riley Cooper to the Rams for AJ Feeley!

by bingo762 :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 8:42am

Speaking of trades, supposedly the Birds are interested in Marshawn Lynch. What do you suppose they give up for him.

BTW, the Eagles only have 4 WR on their roster. Don't think they can expend one. Which is why a doubled over, completely gassed DeSean Jackson was still on the field for the hail mary

by Dean :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 9:21am

The trade for Feeley comment was supposed to be sarcastic. Cooper isn't really the second coming of Brandon Gibson, either.

As for Lynch, I just don't see Buffalo trading him, so it's kinda useless to speculate. If he were a WR, the going rate seems to be a 5th round pick. But if you're the Bills, why do you do that?

by bingo762 :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 9:38am

The sad thing is it almost sounds plausible.

Because they need all the talent infusion they can get

by Dean :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:42am

The sad thing is I'm puzzed on both halves of your reply.

Plausible - which trade? The BS one I made up or the rumored one that won't happen?

"They" - The Bills or the Eagles? Or both?

by Dean :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 2:51pm

Well, looks like Lynch isn't going to Andy's Halfway House.

by Adam B. :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:10am

Isn't Shaun Alexander pretty well-rested at this point?

by RichC (not verified) :: Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:33am

Kolb didn't look great to me, but didn't look bad.

The thing that stuck out to me the most was how many balls he threw that were catchable, and just weren't caught. Seemed like every receiver dropped atleast one.