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10 Oct 2011

MMQB: Bay Area Rising

In this week's Monday Morning Quarterback, Peter King starts with the death of Al Davis and also writes about the success of the San Francisco 49ers and the Denver Broncos' need to play Tim Tebow. FYI: CBS should have clarified that was Tom Brady's first red zone interception at home in the regular season, as he's thrown two in the playoffs.

Posted by: Tom Gower on 10 Oct 2011

45 comments, Last at 12 Oct 2011, 11:12pm by Raiderjoe


by J.J. Cooper :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:04am

Does anyone have an explanation for King's point No. 5 on his 10 things I think?

by Cro-mags (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:06am

You'd think it's a sarcastic, self-deprecating remark, except there's no context to it whatsoever.

by Spielman :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:10am

I think that's still what it's supposed to be, just badly executed.

by TimG (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 12:03pm

The context is right above it in point 4.

by Travis :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:22am

Drew Rosenhaus said it (about himself) on 60 Minutes last night.

by AnonymousA (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:40am

Watching that clip, I had a "I know that guy!" moment, before realizing he is every used car dealer ever.

by MikeinSF (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 5:01pm

He is making fun of Drew Rosenhaus, who actually said that last night on 60 minutes.

by RickD :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:09pm

So it was an inside joke that had nothing to do with the rest of his column, and was never explained.

That's good writing!!

by PP (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:14pm

If 'inside' means everyone that watched any CBS game yesterday then yes.

by RickD :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 10:17pm

If by "any CBS game" you mean "ads for 60 Minutes" then yes.

Get a life.

by V (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:27am

In memory of Al Davis and honor of RaiderJoe, add a bit of typographical excitement to your potss today!

RIP Al Davis, mostly good for football, always good for creating a story and interest in the NFL.

No team has been as polarizing as the Silver and Black over the years. No one kinda likes them. Not even a little love or a mild dislike. For decades, it is burning dedication or flaming distain. The original Browns, the Cowboys, the Bears, the Bengals, the Pats, the Jets might compete with these emotions at times, but the Raiders have been at the top of both lists for as long as I can remember. Whether they’re good or not, they are always “bad” – in every use of the term.

by Nathan :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 12:14pm

To my knowledge there have been no RJ sightings since Al Davis passed away... Just sayin....

by Nathan :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 12:14pm

To my knowledge there have been no RJ sightings since Al Davis passed away... Just sayin....

by BigWoody (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 3:38pm

That depends on exactly when Al Davis passed awau. To my knowledge, RJ's last pots on FO was 7:56 Satursay morning.

Does 3 typos qualify as honored typographical excitement?

by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:49am

"Or I could begin with the interesting dichotomy of the teams that employ...versus those that employ Mike Vick, Peyton Manning and Mark Sanchez."

Two of these things are not like the other, two of these things do not belong. In particular Sanchez!?! Sanchez is a barely serviceable QB. Maybe good for 15th or 20th in the league each year.

That certainly is valuable, and he is just barely good enough that you don't need to be constantly be looking for a replacement. But I would expect teams with him as the QB to have losing records not winning record. He is Matt Cassel or Kevin Kolb on a better team in a bigger media market.

by edteach (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:50am

Drew Rosenhaus' comments over the weekend

by TV_Pete (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 12:07pm

I think Timmy still needs time to develop into a better QB and passer.

However, I believe Denver could use Tebow in a situational role. In short-yardage situations bring him in and see how he does. At the least it forces opponents to plan for multiple QB's and offensive schemes.

Clearly, Denver's current setup is not working well, but more than a little of that has to do with Defense and other positions than QB.

by tunesmith :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 4:53pm

I never understood this thought. If you only bring Tebow in on short yardage plays, then everyone knows what he's going to do. Tebow gets stuffed.

Tebow has more value in a full game plan. As far as I can tell right now, he's got three main weapons - the rushing, the deep ball (Sunday's rustiness notwithstanding), and the screen (he sells it extremely well). Those three things complement each other very well. But on any of them, if you tip the defense off, the play's basically over.

by tuluse :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:27pm

Just because he comes in for short yardage doesn't mean has to run.

by tuluse :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:27pm

Just because he comes in for short yardage doesn't mean has to run.

by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 12:34pm

Once again, Peter King is an idiot.

by bravehoptoad :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 1:30pm

You mean he has an I.Q. below 30? I'm pretty sure it's higher than that.

by tunesmith :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 4:56pm

Brave, Brave Hoptoad is the one and true defender of our kingdom's common folk, against the oppressive and evil tyranny of hyperbole.

by young curmudgeon :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 5:09pm

I realize he couched it in very tentative language, but does anyone else think that the idea that Wes Welker is close to being discussed by the hall of fame voters a little surprising?

by Nathan :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 5:12pm

It was really weird. And I'm a Pats fan and love Welker.

by CoachDave :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 11:49am

It's mindblowing.

by Dave Bernreuther :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:03pm

I'm with him on the pink stuff and the Manning cleat example. They have a guy on the sidelines who writes guys up for fines for uniform violations like a shirt being untucked or a sock too high... yet they're able to go out completely mismatched with random pink stuff? Stupid. Celebrate the month with a patch, or with pink cones and yard markers instead of orange, or by letting teams put pink into the uniform instead of another color (like if it replaced the hiliter green in the Seattle unis with hiliter pink for a week) like MLB allows for teams like the Sox (both colors) wearing Green uniforms... have marks on the field and pink banners. But leave the damn uniforms alone. Especially in the years when the month of October includes five sundays.

by PP (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:16pm

Or just do it for one week instead of the entire month.

by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:59pm

A single week would be great. But a month equals basically a quarter of the regular season. That's a bit much. And having the pink going on at the same time the Pats (was there anybody else this week?) doing throwback uniforms was overkill. It also makes me wonder if they were excused from wearing pink because of the throwbacks? Or was it optional for teams to do the pink thing for part of the month?

by BaronFoobarstein :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 7:48pm

Pink is particularly bad because at full speeds, and especially at lower resolutions, the color blends with the ball. I keep thinking I see a loose football only to realize it's somebody's shoe.

by Spielman :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:17pm

Yeah. It's like a third of the season with odd uniforms. My wife bitches about it every Sunday in October, and I'm only slightly less irritated.

by Nathan :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 6:23pm


I was complaining about it all yesterday. It's really gotten out of control. Figure out some other way to support the cause.

Pats were wearing throwbacks and I didn't see a single pink anything. That made me happy.

by edswood (not verified) :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 9:50am

Not even a Patriots fan, but those throwback uniforms looked really nice. I dont remember loving them that much in the 80s, but I guess one way technology has failed us in uniforms. Seriously, the uniforms are much uglier now than they used to be. The teams with the best uniforms are ones that still use their old ones. The Steelers, Raiders, etc. Does anyone else feel this way, or am I just nostalgic, and the new uniforms arent really hideous?

by Nathan :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 1:10pm

You're not crazy. The new uniforms are pretty much terrible (there are a couple exceptions, Carolina for instance, has pretty decent uniforms). In general old uniforms better designed in every way. I'm friends with a ton of designers and they're all pretty much in agreement on that fact. That's why teams that haven't updated (Bears, Packers, Steelers) look so much better and why throwbacks look so great. I'm big into critiquing uniforms and logos. Those Pats throwbacks are sweet. Bills new uniforms are really nice. Their throwbacks are also amazing. Chiefs throwbacks are great. Panthers uniforms have a kind of 90s vibe and thriller text I can get into, but the Jags uniforms are bad. Dallas uniforms are classic, but the blue jersey ones with the white helmet single logo blue star are the best. In general the simple outline logos are the coolest, but there are exceptions like Pat Patriot and the Buccaneers dude. Those creamsicle uniforms are amazing. When the Titans wear the Oilers throwbacks they're great too. In general logos became too big. New logos were all updated to make them look "tougher" and more "modern" and sleek. So you have "tough Seahawk" and "tough Patriot head". Bad move. Look at the Falcons logo. The bird was updated to have it look more modern (and it's still pretty cool) but it's way less awesome than the super fascist looking black outline bird they used to have, which is one of the best uniforms ever. Steelers probably have the best uniforms in the NFL, with the one sided logo, and for college I'd go with Penn State, or maybe UT. I can argue about this forever.

by Eddo :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 1:22pm

I agree with you (though I'm not a huge fan of Carolina's uniforms; they're OK, but nothing special to my eyes).

My favorites:
NFL: Rams throwbacks (but not current), Falcons throwbacks (but not current), Browns, Bears, Redskins, Dolphins (don't know why), Raiders (and their throwbacks are even cooler)
College: Alabama, Penn State, Texas, Georgia

And the worst:
NFL: Vikings, Falcons, Seahawks, Broncos
College: oh-so-many

by Nathan :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 5:03pm

Yeah, Carolina is kind of my example of a new uniform that's not completely terrible because they sort of embraced the chintzy over the top 90s logo vibe with the "Thriller" font. Like I have a really picky designer friend who hates the new Pats uniforms but loves the 90s Pats bright blues with the giant Pat patriots on the shoulder pads just cause they're so over the top.

by Nathan :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 5:13pm

The Dolphins unis are kind of great just for the fact that on the helmet the Dolphin is wearing a different helmet. The Dolphins should have an alt uniform where the helmet is the helmet the Dolphin is wearing (the college style M).

by tuluse :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 4:55pm

The new Bills uniforms are fantastic. The best uniform redesign in years.

Also, I like the 49ers 80s throwbacks a lot more than their current ones, and there isn't even much difference between the two.

by Nathan :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 5:04pm

Yeah I was writing from work so was being really abbreviated, but the 49ers were what I was thinking with the "make the logo bigger" and it suddenly gets worse. The changes were really pretty subtle when they updated those unis but they all added up to something that felt worse.

by edswood (not verified) :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 9:33pm

Yet I completely agree with you, so no arguement. Case in point, I agree the Steelers have the best uniforms in the NFL, but remember when they made new ones a couple years back? Those were horrific. One throwback you forgot to mention was the Chargers throwback baby blues. Those are amazing.

by CoachDave :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 11:58am

"Cam Newton was competitively terrific against the Saints, even though he was only 16 of 31."

I think PK has found his Southern version of his "Tom Brady Man Crush".

by tuluse :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 4:56pm

Surely Cam has replaced Mr Favre as #1 PK's heart.

by GlennW :: Tue, 10/11/2011 - 4:19pm

On Sebastian Janikowski: "Now it can be put to rest that this was not a dumb pick, finally."

Really? Because a kicker is decent and outlasts most of his draft class (not surprising at all with a kicker) that makes spending a 1st-round pick on him justifiable? Please note that the Raiders are 73-108 in the Janikowski era and could have used some other help. This is kind of like a perennially losing baseball team investing heavily in a bullpen closer, except worse.

by AB (not verified) :: Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:24am

The more interesting comparision is to look at the 10 players picked immediately after him:

18 Chad Pennington
19 Shaun Alexander
20 Stockar McDougle
21 Sylvester Morris
22 Chris McIntosh
23 Rashard Anderson
24 Ahmed Plummer
25 Chris Hovan
26 Erik Flowers
27 Anthony Becht

Obviously Pennington and Alexander brought way more value. And probably Chris Hovan. But there's a serious argument that apart from them, Janikowski was better value than any of the others.

by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:12pm

Besrt uniforms--

Texams, steelers, some others pretty good tooo