Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

20 Jun 2011

MMQB: Goodell's Important Meeting

This week, PK details the parameters of the new labor deal that seems more and more likely in the next few weeks, checks up on where things stand in Los Angeles, wonders where Nnamdi Asomugha might go, reveals a somwewhat disturbing connection to Roberto Luongo, and gets things set up for his annual vacation.

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 20 Jun 2011

29 comments, Last at 23 Jun 2011, 4:18pm by sundown


by prophetik (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:08am

more and more, i don't read his articles anymore. i just read the KissingSuzyKolber commentary about them. i get so much more news out of that.

by tuluse :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 2:38pm

I usually just read the FO comments.

by Drunkmonkey :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 2:07pm

Oh thank god... I thought I was the only one who did that. Seriously.

by jds (not verified) :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 4:21pm

Its probably more common than you think. I just read the comments to see if there is anything noteworthy in the article, and if so, I will then click through. But based on this week's comments, no need to click through today.

by Harrison Bergeron (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:20am

Usually King has at least one scoop he's gleaned through his myriad connections. To use his parlance, this article is quasi-nugget-free.

by Podge (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:52am

Which in itself is actually quite interesting IMO. I was expecting to hear a bit of detail about the current proposals for the CBA and more about who would be going after who in free agency. Given how good King is at getting info from people, its quite telling that it appears that absolutely no one is talking, and therefore (it seems) that people in the know are serious about getting a CBA done and getting their chequebooks out in free agency. His only bit of info is "Teams might try to get Asomugha", which is hardly earth shattering.

On the other hand, its disappointing because I'm pretty sure if he'd given me the subjects he wanted writing about, I could have written that column for him. And I wouldn't have used the word "urologist" at any point.

by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:52am

Lots of fat to chew there. He has more than one urologist?

The Roethlisberger/Rivers comparison and the "top 100" list overall do not mention that the NFL Network show this is all based on specify that this is for 2010 only.

The real screamer though is that Asomugha is the best free agent since Reggie White. Priest Holmes, Drew Brees, and Kurt Warner are not better? I'd argue that the price you're going to pay for Asomugha means that there are a lot of other free agents out there as good or better. Corners can't make a defense elite, look to Champ Bailey in Denver for evidence of that.

by Sophandros :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 11:23am

He said best DEFENSIVE free agent since White.

And Priest Holmes had no where near the fanfare that those other guys had at the time of his FA signing.

Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 1:33pm

King actually did not limit it to defensive players; "Since the dawn of free agency, only one player, Reggie White, has been a better prize on the free-agent market than Asomugha."

Is Asomugha more coveted than Deion Sanders in his prime? Charles Haley? The pricetag to sign him is expensive. King's statement leaves out bargain players like Kyle Vanden Bosch and John Randle.

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 4:32pm

The headline for page 3 is "The race for the best defensive free agent since Deion Sanders." I remembered it was for best defensive player. Couldn't remember which since I read MMQB this morning before anyone commented. Though there still hasn't been more impactful free agent on defense than Reggie.

by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 9:31am

That would explain the difference of opinion then. I read it on the print version so it is all on one page and the header does not appear.

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 1:23pm

As stated previously, PK does state Best Defensive FA. I think both Jevon Kearse and Albert Haynesworth were just as good when available, even if neither turned out very well. I'd also throw Julius Peppers into the discussion. Age is an important factor. (I probably missed a few players. These were just the ones that popped into my head.)

Age when Free Agent
Asomugha 29
Haynesworth 28
Kearse 27
Peppers 30

Reggie White was 31. But none are as good as Reggie.

by Rocco :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 1:21pm

Brees was coming off a pretty serious arm injury when he hit FA. I'm not defending the merits of King's statement, but there were only two teams interested in Brees due to the uncertainty of his arm.

by DisplacedPackerFan :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 5:34pm

In terms of "buzz" impact he is. Every fan seems to want Asomugha on their team. I did not hear this kind of clamoring for anyone since Reggie. As mentioned already, Brees got interest from about two teams. Champ Bailey was called over rated several times. Kurt Warner was coming off injury.

I remember the Reggie buzz, it looks a lot like what Nmandi has been generating and I don't recall it for anyone else.

Now as to what he will do on the field? He may or may not be. You also don't even have to point to Bailey to show that corners can't make a D elite, you can point to Asomugha himself for that. But then I can't think of any single player that can make a defense elite, you need two or three. He certainly can be one of those puzzle pieces. White didn't turn GB around by himself. In that 93 season LeRoy Butler was the only All Pro on that defense, White didn't get it that year, it also had Bryce Paup who started hitting Pro Bowls the next year. They added Sean Jones, etc. Reggie was a big cog, but not a one man gang.

Yes I admit some of this was to bring up Butler, who some people forget about. He was a four time all pro player. :-)

by Kibbles :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 6:12pm

Kurt Warner had been released by two teams in two years when Arizona signed him. Drew Brees was coming off a potentially career-ending injury. In hindsight, those were both great free agency additions... but at the time, they were not viewed as anywhere near the prize that Nnamdi is, and suggesting otherwise is revisionist history. I don't think King is saying that Nnamdi will be the second most impactful free agent of all time, I think he's saying that Nnamdi is the second most highly coveted free agent of all time. At least, that's my take on it.

by Dean :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:53am

Rather than the usual King-bashing, I'll just echo his sentaments on Clarence Clemons. "no Springsteen show will ever be the same, forever."

RIP Big Man. The NFLs loss was the music worlds gain.

by sundown (not verified) :: Thu, 06/23/2011 - 4:18pm

He provided the memorable hook to so many Springsteen songs. A giant in more ways than one.

by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 11:36am

After the lockout, my Panthers can resume losing. That's good, right?

by Marko :: Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:15pm

"I called a few Angelinos last week to measure the fervor for the NFL there. 'Do people in L.A. really want a team?' said Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times. 'That's really the question.'

My question too, though I've been partially assuaged by seeing the LA Live complex downtown (with Staples Center, huge JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels and good restaurants), which is fabulous, and the fact that USC and UCLA draw big crowds at the Coliseum and Rose Bowl, respectively."

1. It's Angelenos, not Angelinos. I suppose it's not surprising that someone who lives on the east coast and refers to a pool as an "in-ground swmmming pool" (as King did a few weeks ago) would make this mistake.

2. UCLA does not draw big crowds at the Rose Bowl anymore unless it's a huge game, such as a game against USC. Since UCLA has not been a national power or anything close to one for several years, it rarely has such a game. Then again, since King is based on the east coast, the only UCLA games he probably has seen on TV in the past decade or so were games against USC or perhaps against Tennessee. Or maybe King is confusing the Rose Bowl games (which always draw a huge crowd) with games at the Rose Bowl. In any event, the only big crowds at UCLA games these days are crowds of empty seats.

by Shattenjager :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:58am

Apologies if this was already discussed (I do not normally read MMQB or the FO thread), but what would be the alternative to an "in-ground swimming pool?" Is that as opposed to a temporary swimming pool or what? This is purely curiosity.

by Marko :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 2:04am

Click on the link to see what the alternative looks like. http://www.eastcoastpools.net/abovegroundpools.html

These are very common back east. I remember when I was in Connecticut years ago seeing several pools like this.

by tuluse :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 3:06am

They're reasonably common in the midwest too, from my experience. People will at least know what you mean if you say an above ground swimming pool.

by Shattenjager :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 6:42pm

I actually live in the "midwest."

However, I grew up in a poor, small farming town in Colorado--I only ever knew one person who had a swimming pool (which he brought up on a daily basis to make sure we all knew how rich his dad was). It was apparently an in-ground swimming pool.

Anyway, learned something new.

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 9:36am

Above-ground pools warm more quickly, which helps in in short summer areas like the Northeast and Midwest US where most people only have the pool open from late May-early September. I live in St Louis and have an in-ground pool. It takes 2-3 weeks to warm enough to use comfortably.

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 06/21/2011 - 5:38pm

yes, sene many above gorund pools in day. Here all pools are poolls but some pools above ground pools and other pools below ground pools. Never said in-ground pool becauuse that sound like pool is stuck in ground like got buried. not much of swimmer thougyh so dont go into pools. Early 1990s last time in pool.. More fan of lakes and ponds for catchingh forgs and turtles and some other pond/lake watter creatures

by morganja :: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 8:56pm

About 12 inches from a cottonmouth today in the river while checking out the turtles. I prefer pools now.

Blind horses, however, differ.


by batbatt :: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 1:39am

Some pools are poolls. Some polls are for pools. Some Polls may be in some pools. Some Pols may be in pools, too. Some poles are for pools. Some forgs may be in ponds. Some others may not. Some watter creatures are wet. Some others are not.

by Yesimadolphinsfan (not verified) :: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 11:25am

You must not have been reading FO very long. You're going to make a looooot of enemies making fun of Raiderjoe... He is one of our most beloved posters.

by batbatt :: Thu, 06/23/2011 - 11:21am

My intent was not to insult Raiderjoe. It was a lame attempt at humor. RJ, I apologize if you feel you were insulted by my post.