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25 Jul 2011

MMQB: Making Sense of the New CBA

Now that our long national labor nightmare appears to be over, PK (who's back in the MMQB cockpit after a month's vacation) goes over the particulars of the new collective bargaining agreement and what it all means. Beyond that, he also reveals a very bad-assed version of the Madden Cruiser, finishes off his own Top 100, establishes Albert Breer's DVOA, remembers Myra Kraft, and says ... for God's sake, enough with the Favre montages, already!

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 25 Jul 2011

39 comments, Last at 26 Jul 2011, 3:50pm by Marko


by fmtemike :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 8:02am

Hitler was Austrian! Who wouldve guessed? They dont put flavoring in their coffee in Vienna! How can they bear it? They dont make fruit salad out of their beer! Vienna is underrated but it's no Montclair! God there's just so much to learn now that PKing's back!

by Theo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:33am

PK is like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie...
I got to hand it to him though; Schneider Weisse hefe-weizenbier is one of the better white beers you can find.

by trill :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:56pm

Schneider Weisse isn't a "white beer." You're mixing your Germans (weissbier = wheat beer) and your Belgians (witbier = white beer). Similar malt bill, different yeasts, and witbiers are usually spiced with coriander and orange peel a la Blue Moon.


by RickD :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 3:14pm

Well, "Weissbier" translates literally to "White Beer". "Wheat beer" = "Weizenbier" and I don't think Germans confuse Hefeweizens with Witbiers so I think you ought to let somebody get away with saying that a "Weissbier" is a "white bier," given that this is the literal translation.

Argue with the Bavarians if you like.


by BroncosGuyAgain :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 4:36pm

You cite Blue Moon?

by Hot_Biscuit_Slim :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:49pm

Cut him a little slack, I think he's just trying to come up with an example for the layperson. (Dogfish Head Namaste and Victory Whirlwind are better, though.)

by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 8:38am

The Eagles are serious about Favre. They haven't signed him to a contract yet, but they've already put him on the injury list.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:27am

"This deal runs through the 2021 NFL Draft. Brett Favre will be completing his 30th season then. He'll be only 52."

A well-delivered bit of snark, Mr. King.

by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:57am

PK is 100% correct about coaches being able to adapt to having less contact practices. The legendary college coach John Gagliardi has NEVER had his players tackle in practice, yet he's managed to have fundamentally sound, tough teams for decades. And elsewhere in the article, someone with the Texans noted they were able to lead the league in rushing last year despite having under 20 practices with pads.

by Jimmy :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:00pm

I find it odd that PK says that lack of practice tackling will kill off the smash-mouth game. I would have thought that a precipitous drop in tackling ability league wide would lead to improved production from a smash mouth running game.

by morganja :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:05pm

Well done, sir. Nice analysis. Perhaps PK was insinuating that it wouldn't be smash-mouth anymore for lack of tacklers? I have an image of a smash-mouth John Riggins chasing defenders all over the field trying to make contact like Kobe in the playoffs.

by Kyle D (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:13pm

"I find it odd that PK says that lack of practice tackling will kill off the smash-mouth game."

PK never said that. He said that all the NFL football guys he talked to were worried about it. He said coaches will learn to adapt to the new rules.

by morganja :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:24pm

I stand corrected. Replace PK with 'some coaches' in my post above. The real problem with not practicing tackling is the injuries. But if they get back in the tackling groove in camp, at their level, playing once a week is probably enough to keep them sharp. Not so much the injury replacements and special teamers.

by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:03pm

PK is happy to have been able to catch up on his reading. Of the countless things he could have read to enrichen his life, he chooses a throwaway interview with Judge Judy. And the biggest thing he got out of the article is she earns a whole lot of money for working not much time. (No doubt a topic near and dear to PK's heart.)

by MJK :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:29pm

This is a pretty good MMQB (I skipped pages 2-4, which is maybe why I think so). Good info about the deal and the opinions on it, and interesting speculation about how some things will unfold.

I found his report on the players' take on Kraft interesting. I guess Kraft is the anti-Richardson.

Also, I don't see the Jets being able to get Asomugah. As terrifying as pairing him with Revis would be, teams just can't afford to have two superstars at the same position these days.

Finally, a divergence of my own. He ranks the Oakland Coliseum WAY below ATT park (A's versus Giants), and objectively he's right. ATT is a beautiful park, with nice views, comfortable seats, and modern conveniences, while the Coliseum is an aging, poorly laid out park that has be destroyed by Al Davis. But there's two crucial reasons why I prefer going to A's games than Giants games. First, the Coliseum is reachable by public transit, so you don't have to mess with parking...a huge, huge edge. Second, when I go to a Giants game, it typically costs something like: ticket $50, parking $40, meal $25 -- total cost of a day at the ballgame: $105. At the Colisuem: ticet $2, BART fare $7, meal $8 (dollar dogs are great!) -- total cost: $17.

by Temo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:42pm

What's money matter to a guy who takes four week European vacations?

by dbostedo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:28pm

"First, the Coliseum is reachable by public transit..."

I've only been to ATT park once (and never the Coliseum) but I got to the Giants game via public transit from San Jose. No cars at all - maybe that's not the case from everywhere?

by NY expat (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 2:00pm

I think he means it's not reachable directly by BART. I'm guessing you took CalTrain, which lets you off pretty near ATT park. http://mlb.mlb.com/sf/ballpark/directions/index.jsp?content=public_trans... also lists a Muni option, so there might be a BART-to-Muni option that could save some money

by Jeebus (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 5:57pm

Been to both parks a ton, and I sure as heck prefer an A's game to a Giants game. They're just more fun, more relaxed, and easier on the wallet.

by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 5:15pm

A's ballpark not bad . RFK and veterans and Yankee satdiusm true dumps. RFk and Yankee very crmaped stinky and crappy. Veterans staidum ugly. McAfee dark walkways, and plain seats and stuff but not bad.

by ScottyB (not verified) :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:03pm

I visited SF last year, and went to the gorgeous ATT park. 2 hours before the game, I bought decent seats for $12 that you download to your phone and they scan at the gate. Street parking was easy if you don't mind walking 10 minutes on a beautiful SF summer night. can't see how the A's can compare

by Subrata Sircar :: Tue, 07/26/2011 - 5:33am

I find the CalTrain-to-Giants experience equal or better than the BART-to-A's experience ... the special CalTrain express that departs 15-20 minutes after game end is almost perfectly timed. (That does have something to do with living within a long walk/short-bike ride of CalTrain versus a half-the-distance-to-the-park drive to BART, but I'm hardly alone.)

It is certainly easier to find cheap tickets to A's games - probably mostly because the Giants have been competitive or featuring Barry Bonds while the A's have been mediocre at best for years now, and World Series Champions makes for a hot ticket. Food is mostly a wash for me, though; if I want cheap(er) food I don't buy it at the park anyway.

And if you just want to watch baseball and you're in the South Bay, don't overlook the San Jose Giants - sure it's the minors, but it's fun baseball, and you can catch up-and-coming young players before they become somebody.

We now return you to talking about football :<)

by SandyRiver :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:52pm

Never having been to California, I could be way off, but a 25:1 ratio for "equivalent" tickets (same general field proximity and sight angles) sounds mighty high unless one is comparing Fenway to Tropicana.

by Marko :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:53pm

He ranks Dodger Stadium way too high (8th). Dodger Stadium is a dump. I doubt that he would rank it so high if he ever sat in the stands there and rooted for the opposing team while wearing that team's jersey or hat. And I have no idea what this is supposed to mean: "Feel of a Perry Mason episode. Real L.A." What the hell does Dodger Stadium have to do with Perry Mason? As for the "Real L.A." part, maybe he's referring to the fakeness and surgically enhanced nature of much of the crowd? But I'm really not sure what that means.

by Lance :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 2:20pm

Re Perry Mason: The TV show was set in Los Angeles. I haven't ever watched Perry Mason, so I don't understand how the stadium could give that feel.

I've been to a few Dodgers games and agree that the stadium is not particularly dazzling.

by Marko :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 3:06pm

Yeah, I know that Perry Mason was set in LA. But there probably have been hundreds of TV shows set in LA. Why choose one from the 1950s and 1960s? Maybe it's supposed to indicate how old fashioned the stadium is? People don't think of it as old, but Dodger Stadium is the third oldest stadium in MLB (behind only Fenway Park and Wrigley Field). But I really don't get the connection to Perry Mason.

by Dean :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 3:14pm

I don't get the Perry Mason connection either. Ozzy's vocals were way overproduced on that one, but Zakk's solo was pretty good and the riff was solid.

by Jerry :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 9:42pm

Ranking ballparks (or football stadia) on the "treatment when wearing the visiting team's gear" is a lot different than the more general rankings.

by dbostedo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:30pm

"I doubt that he would rank it so high if he ever sat in the stands there and rooted for the opposing team while wearing that team's jersey or hat."

I watched the Pirates play the Dodgers at Dodger Stadium while wearing a Pirates cap (and black jacket). We sat high on the third base side. I got a few heckles but they, were mainly what you'd expect and were generally good natured. Maybe it helped that the Pirates lost, and the game wasn't too crowded, but I had a great time and thought it was a neat stadium.

by Temo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 4:05pm

Anybody who heckles a pirates fan should be ashamed at themselves.

I'm looking at you, Philly douche bags who heckled the guy in a wheelchair wearing a pirates cap at a Mets-Phillies game.

by dbostedo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 5:58pm

A lot of people would say that anybody who IS a Pirates fan should be ashamed of themselves....

Until this year I guess.

by Jerry :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 9:44pm

Somehow this beautiful 1966 Steelers-Browns package seems appropriate.

by CoachDave :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 4:02pm

He put Big Ben at #7.

Your honor, the defense rests.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 6:28pm

Long time reader first time PK basher.

Did he really write "How I spent my Summer Vacation" for a national audience? Also, I'm not sure he knows what "factoid" means.

by dbostedo :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 8:42pm

I think all of his factoids were, in fact, factoids. From Dictionary.com :

1. an insignificant or trivial fact.

I also think that, oddly enough, this point has come up in MMQB discussions before. I guess a lot of people think of the other definition of factoid - but the one I just posted is the only one I knew until that previous discussion.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Mon, 07/25/2011 - 9:31pm

I missed the earlier discussion, but thanks for the interesting factoid from dictionary.com. :-)

by Spatula (not verified) :: Tue, 07/26/2011 - 10:10am

New York, New York - so good, he thought it twice.

by zlionsfan :: Tue, 07/26/2011 - 2:22pm

I would say that I'm surprised PK has apparently never heard "scusi" before, but then this is the usual offseason column.

Actually, I didn't think it was that bad, but maybe that was because I skipped his rankings and anything mentioning that guy who played for the Packers, Jets, and Vikings.

by Marko :: Tue, 07/26/2011 - 3:50pm

Don't forget that he also played for the Falcons.