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06 Jun 2011

MMQB: Next 30 Days Key in Labor Squabble

This week, PK reviews his mini-vacation in Seattle, talks about how the players and owners may now be up against it with the potential ruling of the Eighth Circuit Court, gives his updated book list (with several lofty selections), and presents his thoughts on the market for one Plaxico Burress.

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 06 Jun 2011

61 comments, Last at 08 Jun 2011, 3:20pm by Theo


by Welkah (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 9:41am

My favorite part is the assertion that "The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo" trilogy is the "best in any genre."

That's right. Better then "Hamlet." Better then "Light in August." Better then Huck Finn, the Bible, the Bahavad Ghita, better then volumes 1-10 of "The Penthouse Forum Collection."

A trilogy of slasher/crime novels, according to his majesty, are the BEST BOOKS EVER WRITTEN.

How can he put his name on this shit? What a bunch of ignorant drivel. PK doesn't usually drive me nuts but sometimes.. WHAT THE FUCK?

{slams head on keyboard}

by IceBlock (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:01am

In fairness - the best in any genre refers to what he has read lately, not what exists. While I agree that the Larsson trilogy is far from top of the hill (although entertaining, kind of slow and literarily simple), I would shake my head more at the narcissistic assertion that he knows that America does not read based on the evidence that he personally is not reading much.

by Aaron Brooks' Good Twin (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:53am

Most of those aren't actually trilogies.

Lord of the Rings is. You could argue Beowulf is as well.


by FourteenDays :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:31am

He's not talking only about trilogies in the article.

"This is the best piece of nonfiction I've read in a while. (Sorry; the Stieg Larsson trilogy is still the best in any genre.)"

So yes, it really is as ludicrous as it looks.

by Sophandros :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 1:02pm

It's extremely clear that he's referring ONLY to the books that he's read recently, not all books of all time.

I'm not Peter King Apologist, but some of the criticisms of him from posters here is WAAAY over the top.

Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 4:50pm


It seems like the readers of FO are suffering from some reading comprehension issues.

by Bearjew (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 5:14pm

I don't think it's criticism so much as miscriticism based on a lack of reading comprehension.

by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 5:34pm

Any list of trilogies that doesn't mention Douglas Adams, the man who redefined the term "trilogy," is woefully inadequate.

by jebmak :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:27pm

the man who redefined the term "trilogy,"

I lol'd.

by Grammar Police (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:44pm

You know what's even "better then" those things? Knowing the difference between "than" and "then."

by GlennW :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 1:46pm

At least PK didn't go with Harry Potter...

by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 5:16pm

volumes 1-10 of "The Penthouse Forum Collection"

Penthouse not good. Much rathehr read a nice Hustler bakck in day. Not a nudie magazine buyer anymore. Soemthing cool to do in later teeen yeras and some 20s.

by BigCheese :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:50am

Have you actually READ the Bible? Going on literary merit alone, it makes the twilight books read like Shakespeare...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

by Karma Coma :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 2:36pm

The stories have potential, but most books would be as bad as the Bible if they were written by multiple authors, transcribed from incomplete manuscripts, translated, and given to Kings and Priests to take out the seditious parts. Mailer once said that there were 100 writers who could do a better job writing the story of the gospel.

by Theo :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 1:12pm

It's said that the best solution against religion/christianity would be the bible.
I am sure to bet for my life that 90% of the christians did not read the bible cover to cover.
And if they would, they would be atheists.
That's how stupid that book is.

by Tom Gower :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 2:56pm

Let's not follow this line of conversation any farther. Thanks.

by Theo :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 3:20pm

Hm yeah. Not the place, carried away by PK off topicness.

by jebmak :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:31pm

Have you read any of Twilight?

I did, because I figured that I should have a basis before I made fun of it.

I read about five chapters. At one point the main girl is describing herself to herself. Seriously. Show, don't tell.

It was painful.

by BigCheese :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:37pm

My wife got the audio-books and listened to them all. I caught a couple of chapters here and there, so not "read" per se, but yes, I know first-hand just how god-awful the writing is.

So you might have a point: it makes twilight look like Stephen King in comparisson...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

by Harrison Bergeron (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:05am

It's come to my attention that America doesn't read anymore. You know how I know? Because I don't read nearly enough anymore.

Does Peter King really have that big an ego, or does he lack any awareness of what he's writing? When he doesn't have any current events to write about, his complete lack of writing ability really shines through.

Another side-splitter: "essentially make the ballpark a brewpub with all kinds of local brews... [h]eavenly for a beer guy." First of all, I don't think any ballparks brew beer in the stadium, which is the only thing that would make their beer stands a brewpub. I think the word he's looking for here is "pub," but that wouldn't sound fancy enough. Second - is this "beer guy" the same guy who previously extolled the virtues of Shock Top? Because that's the crappiest, most generic wheat beer you can buy. Dollars to donuts PK can't name five decent microbrews.

by Spielman :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:34am

From most other people I'd think that was a joke. However, in the context of his saying "I don't read nearly enough anymore, and oh by the way here's a list of the awesome books I've read recently that I think you'll find rather impressive especially in the context of my saying that I don't read nearly enough," I really don't think it's a joke.

by are-tee :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:41am

By the same logic, America is drinking way too many lattes.

by dryheat :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 6:56pm

I think America is drinking too much, and having sex with too many supermodels, and exercising wishful thinking too much.

by Jerry :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 6:30pm

FWIW, there's a brewpub called the Sandlot as Coors Field. The ownership is obvious, but it looks like they brew different stuff. I've never been there, so I can't speak to how well they do.

And in a country where Bud Light Lime is adventurous for many beer drinkers, even a crappy, generic wheat beer is something different. I don't think you want to hold your breath waiting for King to sing the praises of Delerium Tremens.

by GlennW :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 9:42am

Delerium Tremens at the ballpark! Time to rush the field!

by Theo :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 10:12am

...and there's a PINK ELEPHANT on the field! I can't believe it!

by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:21am

I started reading the Larsson trilogy and thought it'd probably be much better as a movie. I think I'm going to find out. I don't believe Peter King's writing would work as a movie. :-) Actually, while I couldn't live on a diet of King alone, he's a nice dessert.

by Overrated (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:24am

Are you guys really arguing that most adults don't read much anymore? Sure, his reasoning may be specious, but it's a pretty well documented truth. He's just as likely meaning "people don't read enough anymore, myself included."

Don't pick nits just to be nitpicky.

by Scott P. (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 1:57pm

Most adults don't read, and never have, so from that perspective the only thing that has changed recently is Peter King's reading habits, and "anymore" is superfluous.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 2:58pm

The Kindle has sold incredibly well, as has the Nook and other e-readers. People are still reading like crazy, they're just using a different form of media.

by Dean :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 3:53pm

You're obviously confusing "most adults" and "a large enough minority of adults to somewhat support an industry."

by countertorque :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 4:06pm

Not that I give a crap one way or the other, but buying books and reading books are 2 different things.

by tuluse :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 5:02pm

We need some kind of medium-adjusted literature consuption over average to accurately guage how much people are reading

by Dean :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:39am

About the only thing more obnoxious than suffering through a U2 concert would be having to suffer the same concert while sitting next to Peter King.

by Floyd (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:43am

I wonder if King knows that the space shuttle commander was quoting Space Oddity.

by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:23pm

I wondered that too, actually.

by Michael LaRocca (not verified) :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:24pm

I'm sure Space Oddity is a better song than whatever U2 was playing.

by are-tee :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:48am

If the lockout ends by late June - early July, the frenzied free-agent signing/player trading period that would ensue before training camp would make what's normally a dead period extremely exciting. Of course, it would only be making up for the unnatural dead period we've had for the past four months.

by rfh1001 :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:13pm

One thing I think is that I think my favourite moment was: 'The 49ers, from 1954 to 1956, had quarterback Y.A. Tittle and three backs -- Johnson, Perry and Hugh McElhenny -- all playing in tandem.'

by RichC (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 4:59pm

You know whats awesome? When people try to mock others for their grammar or word choice, and are incorrect themselves. Awesome.

From Dictionary.com:

-one following or behind the other

idiom - in tandem
-in single file; in association or partnership.

Tandem doesn't mean two.

by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 5:44pm

What is even more awesome is people, who, in an attempt to mock someone for having mocked someone else's grammar, themselves use poor grammar. Physician, heal thyself.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "tandem" is a type of cart pulled by two horses (or other beasts of draught). There were neither carts nor horses in that back-field.

by Aaron Brook's Good Twin (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:20pm

I think you're putting the cart before the house.

\Never understood that expression; it works just fine that way.

by Alternator :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 8:27am

Most Americans don't speak the Queen's English, they speak American English. The Oxford Dictionary does not cover American English.

So...you're pretty much wrong here.

by tuluse :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 6:13pm


by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 4:11am

Did they ever use the I formation?

by rfh1001 :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 9:50am

Mea culpa. I'm not too proud. Life is learning.

by young curmudgeon :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 9:29pm

Wow, we need football bad! I love FO's message boards wandering away from football and into literary criticism, random cultural references, etc., but when there ain't nothing but lit crit, brewpubs, etc., people tend to get a little bit tetchy.

random note: I was a devoted baseball fan, but I got out of the habit during the strike way back when and really never went back. I know the cultural behemoth that is football in America, but if the current lockout scrubs the season, a lot of semi-interested fans are going to become much less interested, and the game is going to suffer. There are differences between following football and baseball, but I don't think the overall effect is going to be positive.

by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 9:53pm

Nt goign to be positive, but also not goiing to be bad as baseball stirke of 194. Fantays football more popular thjan fnatasy baseball and gambling much more popular with football than bseball. Fantasy football and gamblingh going to be back soon as football back.

Also football players careers shorter and maybe make less money on average than baseball player. s This makes fans have less dislike towards football palyers than baseball ones.

ALSO ABSEBALL PLyers more sissified. For exmaple last year D. Braden (A's) compalined when A-Rid walk on mound. Then there are reievers. Closers are one type relievers. Many can only come in during 9th innign and some are so sisssified they won't enter game if runners on base or their hair falls out or soemthign. MLB filled with expamles of pansyism like that and it turns some people off to the baseball sport.

by GlennW :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 9:40am

Dallas Braden is a bad example. Braden was showing exactly the kind of spunk that I think you want to see in an athlete-- don't come around my territory, I don't come into yours. Sure, it wasn't a big deal, but I don't mind if a player shows such emotion once in a while.

Baseball players get a bad rap in general. For every J.D. Drew, there are 10 guys who play in pain every day. And by every day, I mean every day.

by Jim D (not verified) :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:34am

Yeah but remember when some of the Chargers (may have been LT, don't remember) threw a fit because the Patriots celebrated on their sacred midfield logo after a playoff win in SD? Wasn't that kind of similar?

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 6:09pm

yes, kind of similar but not relally. Pates-Charegrs game over. Chargers lose not surprisign. Anwyya, game was over and Pates had no saporsmanlike conduct. Acted like clowns dancing and jiving when game alreaydy over. That was time to shake handns with charegrs and act like rops. Insteda acted like amateur losers and made fun of shanwn e mereriman dance. Kind of funny esepcailly if hate Chargers but on other hand really pathetic. So in end had to agree with L Tomlinson that Pates no class and got that way from classless cheating jerk coach B. Belichick.

by Aaron Brook's Good Twin (not verified) :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:22pm

Unlike college basketball, college football is also a national phenomenon. So I don't see football suffering as much as baseball did, but the NFL could be in a lot of trouble.

by Southern Philly :: Mon, 06/06/2011 - 11:34pm

The NFL will probably take a small short term hit, but they'll be fine in a few years.

The NBA on the other hand, is probably going to suffer badly as fans will simply have had enough, and they appear to be far more likely to lose at least part of the season to their lockout.

by Jimmy :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 7:24am

I am getting pretty sick of there being absolutely no news or anything interesting happening in the NFL whenever I look on the internet. If I stop I may find other things to do. I am already seriously considering cancelling my satelite TV subscription as I only have it for NFL and cricket, and at the moment I am too busy to watch one and the other is locked out. I won't re-order the satelite if it goes so that is revenue that may well be lost forever (albeit not much as one pathetically insignificant consumer); sort of like capacity being lost from an economy.

And there is no way I am going to bother watching an eight game season (the NFL's latest wheeze).

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 12:32pm

I've already switched from DirecTV to my local cable company. It's not only the NFL that will be seriously hurt here.

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 6:55pm

And there is no way I am going to bother watching an eight game season (the NFL's latest wheeze).

8 game seaosn crappy thign but still woudl watch. Like football, so willw atch football.

by BigCheese :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:56am

What are the odds that one of the rankings I disagree with the most (Urlacher at 49) is the one King agrees with?

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

by Dean :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 12:24pm

So was Urlacher too high or too low?

by Jimmy :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 6:05pm

I'd say too low but then again I am a Bears fan and have watched every game he played for ten years. On last year's performance alone he should be a lot higher. He gets more difficult assigments than any other MLB in football and rarely gets burned. The Bears system means the first place offenses like to attack is the gap between the safeties and behind the mike in a Tampa2 but it doesn't work well enough against Urlacher because he covers receivers too well down the field, and he is still a monster against the run. He is a physical freak (still) and is as savvy as any other MLB in football, including Ray Lewis. The guy is awesome and should be a first ballot HOFer.

by BigCheese :: Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:33pm

Also a Bears fan, so yeah, definitely too low (and I've thought that about several other non-Bears players as well). Wether it's last 2010 or career, I defy anyone to name 30 players who played last year who were better than Urlacher.

The only point of debate is wether him or Ray Lewis is better (and I'm not sure which side of that I fall on either). If he's not the fourth Bears MLB in the Hall, it'll be a travesty.

And don't get me started on how laughably low Briggs was...

- Alvaro

Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs

by Dean :: Wed, 06/08/2011 - 9:48am

He's a Hall of Famer, no doubt. The whole "first ballot" thing is just stupid, though. You don't get bonus points. Your bust isn't a different color because you went to the front of the line. The jacket is still yellow.

I actually felt like he was getting by on his reputation this year, but I will freely admit that was more of an impression than anything else, and based on a game or two that I caught while spinning my head at the local sports bar, so it would hardly qualify as the most informed thing I've ever said. Regardless, the guy is amazing and even if he never played another down, his place in Canton is assured.