Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

21 Mar 2012

Broncos Deal Tebow to Jets (For Real)

Attention: This is the New York Jets. We are in New York. This is the media capital of the world. We refuse to allow you to pay attention to any other team, especially a team in a little backwater like New Orleans. Do not pay attention to New Orleans. We have traded a fourth-round pick for Tim Tebow. All your Twitter are belong to us. There are no Saints. There is no suspension. There is only Tebow and the Jets.

UPDATE: Mike Klis of the Denver Post now says it is actually a fourth and a sixth.

UPDATE II: Or, maybe this deal doesn't happen. Apparently, there's a snag because the Jets didn't read language in Tebow's contract that would require them to pay an extra $5 million to Tebow in salary advances.

UPDATE III: Adam Schefter just reported Tim Tebow is in fact going to the Jets with a seventh-round pick in exchange for a fourth-round pick and sixth-round pick. Jacksonville wins and Mike Tanenbaum learns a value lesson in reading the fine print. -Tom

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 21 Mar 2012

184 comments, Last at 28 Mar 2012, 12:11am by JIPanick


by tuluse :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 12:52pm

I do not see this ending well.

by sundown (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:06pm

Hard to imagine Tebow playing for Rex Ryan...hard to imagine him even having a conversation with Rex Ryan.

by Theo :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 9:01pm

(Players catching up with each other after practice)
Mark: "That was pretty good for a first practice... are you getting the hang of it, Tim?"
Tim: "I love it, love every challenge. I believe I was put here to contribute to this team."
(Door flies open)
"Whoooooow bitches! That's how we do it goddamnit! First practice with shiny new balls, they got rubbed harder than a pair of pirate balls on Tortuga!"
"uh coach, I'd like it if you wouldn't curse, I don't believe it's necessary to convey a message effectively."
"Who the fuck is this guy? Shut up rookie."
"Eh coach, you traded for him, it's Tim Tebow."
"Well fuck you, you need to get your rookie balls on a trip downtown, they look way too sparkling for a 24 year old. When I was your age I'd hook up with girls faster than you can say 'Cobra 50 curls Z drag!"
"Well, sir, with all do respect, but I believe..."
"You better learn that playbook quick. We believe in football around here, we run it down their goddamned throats till it comes out sideways!"
*whispers* "Good lord."
"Shut up Rook, I'm eating"

by Mr Shush :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 7:01am

And lo, there was a KSK Rex Ryan post.

by JIPanick :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 12:53pm

I suspect he'll beat out Mark Sanchez by the end of the year.

by smutsboy :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm

Or Sanchez abdicates the throne.

by Jimmy :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:34pm

The only throne that would be appropriate for any current Jets QB would be one made of porcelain.

by Ferguson1015 :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 12:55pm

haha. I was hoping for this ever since Cromartie's tweet that said he didn't want Tim there

by Ryan D. (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 12:57pm

Sanchez, we believe in you. Here's $20M you haven't earned. Also, here's a backup that's going to play 10x worse than you, making you LOOK like a QB worth that extra $20M. Oh, but he's still going to get your job before our bye week. Thanks for playing!

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:06pm

Brilliant move. What better way to heal the rift between Sanchize and Holmes than to threaten both of them with Tebow?

by DFields (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:07pm

John Elway Greatest Front Office Exec of All Time

by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:11pm

I was thinking the same thing. I kept hearing rumors that his value was a fourth, a fifth, OR a sixth, not a combination of those. The fact that he got both a fourth and a sixth, wow. Elway is an alchemist, in the Middle Ages sense of the word.

by Kal :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:47pm

If he can get Mike Wallace this might be the best offseason as an executive in the history of the league.

by dryheat :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:38pm

I've heard that before...but aren't he and Thomas fairly redundant? I see Manning throwing to Thomas, Decker, Stokely, and Clark...and that's seems pretty good.

by tunesmith :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:58pm

I've heard the thought that DT is ideally more of a possession type, while Wallace would be a true deep threat. I think DT is a pretty good deep threat though - he seems to have more problems with the route technique and hand positioning that you'd need on shorter routes.

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:05pm

The fella runs a 4.38, pretty sharp for a possession receiver.

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:09pm

One thing that is better than having a wide receiver who commands attention from a safety is having two wide receivers who command attention from a safety. Knowshon Moreno would likely support this acquisition.

by dryheat :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:58pm

Probably, but as an ex-Bronco, I doubt he'd care that much.

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:08pm

You think they'll get rid of him, huh? Oh, well, whomever takes handoffs from Longneck, then.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:48pm

Indeed. Elway has absolutely worked magic. Of course it's very fortunate that a HOF QB in his, hmm, subprime becomes avaiable, but boy Elway has taken advantage!

I mean this is probably the single greatest week for the Broncos franchise since about week 5 of 1999.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:44pm

Subprime QB default swaps are always risky.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:50pm

While i would agree generally this a bit different. Worst case: Manning disappoints and plays to years of league average football. Even in this scenario the Broncos will still have gotten rid of Tebow.

by Megamanic :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:17pm

Worst case is not two average years. Worst case is Peyton Manning gets hit hard week one, re-injures his neck & never plays again.

Denver's contingency plan for this is...?

Tebow & Quinn are ex-Broncos. Both would have been reasonable succession plans assuming they can learn behind Manning. I don't think there's much left in free agency. Denver will have to draft a QB & hope they don't need to use him for a year or two.

by RickD :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:51pm

Worst case is Peyton Manning gets hit hard week one, re-injures his neck & never plays again.

Same thing could happen to any QB in the NFL.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 4:21am

A) Even in that case, the Broncos will have gotten rid of Tebow. And Tebow versus whoever ends up backing up Manning is probably a wash in terms of wins.

B) Tebow could also get hurt. Every QB can end a season on IR.

C) In this day and age, unless you are a team that wins with defense and special teams (and the Broncos wont be), I don't care about you plan B. For teams that are not build like the '00 Ravens, if your starter goes down, so does your season.

Honestly when is the last time a team put together a deep playoff run with a backup? Probably Brady and Warner - but was either team really that comfortable with their plan B's going into the season? Garcia with the Eagles is a fair candidate, though.

by Travis :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 8:10am

TJ Yates and Tebow last year got as far as Garcia did in 2006.

The 2008 Titans benched an injured Vince Young after Week 1 and went on to the best record in the NFL.

by Pottsville Maro... :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:31am

Even in that worst case scenario, the 2012 Broncos are the 2011 Colts. Then they can get a franchise QB with a top pick in the 2013 draft and develop him free of the media circus that is Tebow.

by akn :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 1:10pm

You mean after the circus of releasing Peyton Manning.

by slomojoe (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:07pm

Interesting. Looks like the Jets will be the first team to have a heated controversy over which QB NOT to play.

by Kurt :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm

Oh, come now. Grossman/Beck was just last year.

by smutsboy :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:07pm

well played

by zlionsfan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:18pm

May I refer you to most of the 50 years of Lions history between Bobby Layne and Matthew Stafford?

by Jimmy :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:37pm

I take your Lions / Layne / Stafford and raise you Bears / Luckman / Cutler.

.....and Henry Burris, Chad Hutchinson, 1st & 3rd for Rick Mirer, Bobby Douglass and oh so many more.....

by Anonymous Coward (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:46pm

Anyone remember Derek Anderson / John Skelton / Max Hall?

by Jimmy :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:55pm

But they followed on from a HOFer and before him Plummer would have looked like the messiah to Bears fans. You need more than a couple of seasons of poor Qbing to run in this derby, this is for the big boys of Bizarro-Allpro QB play.

Caleb Hanie.

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:06pm

My first thought was the 2010 Carolina Panthers, because they quite literally seemed like they couldn't decide who was worse between Clausen and Moore. Bonus points because they weren't scrambling to replace a wounded starter, that was the plan.

by ChicagoRaider :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:51pm

Please. I live in Chicago. Chicago can't top the 2006-08 Oakland Raiders.
2008 JaMarcus Russell (15) / Andrew Walter (1)
2007 Josh McCown (9) / Daunte Culpepper (6) / JaMarcus Russell (1)
2006 Andrew Walter (8) / Aaron Brooks (8)

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:00pm

In 2004 the Bears started the following QBs: Rex Grossman, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchenson.

All 4 of them are so bad they've been replaced with Josh McCown, who is now well past whatever peak he had.

by ChicagoRaider :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:49pm

That's fine as far as it goes, but it cannot compete with JaWalrus and Andrew Walter combining for 16 games.

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:40pm

In 2008 Russel had -16% DVOA, as for the Bears QBs, well just take a look http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2004

Grossman actually tops Russel's mark, but he played all 1.5 games.

by Sophandros :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:55pm

That's nothing.

1999 Saints:

Billy Joe Tolliver
Billy Joe Hobart
Billy Joe Delhomme
Billy Joe Wuerffel

1998 Saints:

Tolliver, Hobart, Kerry Collins (because it's a great idea to bring a recovering alcoholic to New Orleans), and Wuerffel.

Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.

by Sisyphus :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:28pm

Two words Bob Avellini. (I once saw him have the snap intercepted.) Career stat line (10 years): 73 G, 33 TD, 69 INT, 54.8 Rating, 50.5% Comp 97.4 Y/G,

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 9:22pm

Don't forget the guy who came only a few years before him. Bobby Douglas. There's a good chance Douglas may be the upside for Tebow, even the possibility of running 1000 yards by just running over guys.

by Jimmy :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 8:42am

How the hell do you get a snap intercepted?

by Sisyphus :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 3:41pm

He stepped back from the center apparently to call a time out. The count was for the first sound and the center hiked the ball which went straight up into the air, the middle linebacker caught it on the way down. (I believe it was technically a fumbled snap but....)

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 1:16am

You had 8 games worth of glory of healthy Jim McMahon in there and rode that to a SB. The Lions had Dan Marino's less-mobile backup.

by Marko :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:17am

Cade McNown, Gary Huff, Rusty Lisch, Will Furrer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, The Artist Formerly Known As Kordell Stewart . . .

by dbt :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:10pm

a 4th and a 6th for Tebow and a 7th.

by PerlStalker :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:15pm

I certainly didn't expect Tebow to end up in NY. Well, if anyone knows about lousy quarterbacking, it's the Jets.

by Sisyphus :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:16pm

Just what that locker room needs.

by FrontRunningPhinsFan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm

But just imagine how exciting Hard Knocks will be now!

Fire Jeff Ireland.

by Mike Tanier :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:17pm

I am sitting here. I know I should be writing something about someone but too much happened at once and now I don't know which way to turn or what to work on and ... I think I need a soda.

by jfsh :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:17pm

As a Jets fan...


This will not end well.

by PerlStalker :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:23pm

And you thought your QB situation couldn't get any worse. Silly fan. ;-)

by Led :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:24pm

If it were possible to use Tebow like Brad Smith, I wouldn't hate this so much. But nobody puts Timmy in the corner.

And a fourth and sixth/seventh exchange is too much for Brad Smith anyway.

by Hurt Bones :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:25pm

It's all about the entertainment dollar, and I have a feeling I'm going to get a season's worth of entertainment. Is Rex going to bow down and kiss Tebow's feet?

by BaronFoobarstein :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:17pm


by 3.14159265 (not verified) :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 3:19am

Actually Rex will have to wash Tebow's feet with his hair, Rex only kisses Mrs. Rex's feet.

by MJK :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:29pm

So what happens to Brad Smith, now? (Is he still even on the Jets?) It seems like Tebow is a slightly better version of him.

by Travis :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:33pm

Brad Smith signed with the Bills last offseason.

Tebow probably couldn't play safety worse than former Jets' 3rd round picks Scott Frost (a former QB) and Eric Smith.

by tonic889 (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:32pm

Is Mike Tannenbaum under the impression that if you have three mediocre quarterbacks that they can be combined Frankenstein-style into one really awesome QB? That is the most rational explanation I have for what the Jets are doing.

by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:52pm

If you combined Tebow's mobility and arm strength, Drew Stanton's intelligence, and Mark Sanchez's... Mark... Mark Sanchez's history of college success, you'd have... I dunno. A slow, inaccurate Cam Newton?

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:51pm

That is actually pretty funny. Even if the Jets were to Frankenstein a QB from Sanchez, Stanton and Tebow, Sanchez would have NOTHING to add - Tebow has the college succes covered pretty well.

by Kal :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:06pm

Those 17 year olds won't have sex with themselves.

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:48pm

I disagree. When I was 17, I had... yeah, I'm not going to finish that one.

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:00pm

But you're Independent George, didn't you win a contest?

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 9:54pm

I cheated.

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 6:47pm

Without Sanchez, the Jets have nothing to atract hot Latina reporters. But then again, the Jets have demonstrated already that they have no clue about what to do with a hot Latina reporter anyway.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 1:18am

One possibly relevant point -- Stanton can run the same offense Tebow needs. He's about the same size and also ran an option offense in college.

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:35pm

Just when you didn't think the Jets could get any weirder. I feel like Flounder at the end of Animal House.

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:40pm

I thought I could not be happier than when Manning was signed, but this makes it even better. I would have preferred to see him to to Green Bay or Oakland since I already hate those teams, but this works.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:52pm

Finally, FINALLLY, we agree on something Broncos specific, Shatt'

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:25pm

Twice! We agreed about Dumervil in the past too!

by Shattenjager :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:08am

I just realized something: Does that mean you also hate the Packers?

by speedegg :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:40pm

It's a mad, mad world...just wow, that's crazy.

by johonny (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:40pm

The only thing that keeps Dolphin fans going is the knowledge that at least they aren't the Jets.

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:52pm

Tom Coughlin: "And I'm the one they wanted to fire?!!"

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:02pm

Can you imagine the smile on Ol' Tommy's mug today? The Jets will now corner the market for stupid questions asked during New York sports teams press conferences.

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:29pm

You know, it's almost too bad Eli's established himself the way he has; this could have been really useful in 2005-2007.

by rageon :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:56pm

This is like the wrost of the 3 available scenarios for Tebow to go to. If he had gone to New England or Green Bay, even the biggest Tebow fans would accept that he should not be a full-time player. If he had gone to Miami or someplace without a legitimate starting QB, he plans every game and he lives or dies based on his performance. But the Jets, with an entrenched QB who is without a doubt below average? That's a recipe for disaster.

(Although perhaps this may be mitigated by my guess that there is likely a rather large anti-Tebow faction on the east coast for reasons related to his religious beliefs.)

by RickD :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:19pm

I don't think New England expressed interest in trading for Tebow. I think that John Clayton theorized this would be interesting. But the Pats already have three QBs, including a reliable backup and a starter of the future lined up behind Brady. Who cares what John Clayton thinks?

by apbadogs :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:47pm

New England and Green Bay are WAY too well run to take on Tebow...if anyone in their front offices actually put that out it was a pure smokescreen.

by Drunkmonkey :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:20pm

Actually, I think sending him to GB made a lot of sense. Think about it for just a second: nobody in their right mind would ever call for Tebow to start, McCarthy and Clement pride themselves in QB development, and the Packers could give him a try at ILB if nothing else.

Seriously though, I think it wasn't that far fetched of an idea, it's just I didn't see GB giving up more than a 6th rounder for him.

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:47pm

I guess the Packers found out about the $5M clause. I agree with most of what you said and if Tebow could develop into a real QB, GB is one of the few places who wouldn't be crying for him to start. McCarthy is a fanatic over accuracy so I think Graham Harrell would still be the #2 guy. But if he didn't work out I think they'd try him at TE before ILB, since McCarthy loves his TEs.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 1:20am

Also, Tebow likely has better hands than Finley.

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 7:14pm

But he's not nearly as fast as Finley. Hell, I don't think Tebow is even fast enough to play LB.

by Mr Shush :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:56pm

Tim Tebow only makes any kind of football sense to a team with a great defense and a bad quarterback. They should trade Ferguson and Holmes, sign Vince Young, install a cheap, run-first option/single-wing/wildcat type offense and spend all their cap room on the other side of the ball.

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:57pm

Well, this'll produce fodder for The Week in Quotes. I wonder if Tebow has anything to say about having lust for feet in one's heart.

by rageon :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:03pm

My brain is scrambling for some sort of joke combining the old Ryan Clady injury / "footprints" comment with the obvious Rex Ryan factor. Perhaps something about there being only a left-footed-footprint in the sand because Rex got ahold of the other? Something like that.

by bubqr :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 1:59pm

"Get your pop corn ready, this is going to be REAL FUN"

by Joseph :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:05pm

This is Elway taking the best offer, no more, no less.
IMO, this is NYJ deciding that they wanted to put the wildcat package back into the O, with someone who does every part better, although with less speed [than Brad Smith].

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 7:16pm

They could have done the same thing with Drew Stanton, at far less cost.

by 40 oz to Freedom (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:02pm

Worst thing on twitter now is #TebowGotTradedFor. Getting harsh out there. Tebow got traded for everything from a wheelbarrow to haul around John Elway's giant balls to a tempurpedic neck rest pillow for Manning. Ouch.

by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:04pm

At least I understood the rationale behind the Sanchez extension, even if I didn't totally agree with it. But this just proves the franchise is run by some very dumb people.

I feel sorry for Darrelle Revis and Nick Mangold for having some of the best years of their career wasted.

by RickD :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:51pm

Namath doesn't drink any more, does he? This is going to be a hard day for a recovering alcoholic.

My nightmare scenario had Manning going to the Jets.

This is kind of the opposite.



He's pissed (in the American sense, not the English sense).

by fmtemike :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:10pm

Flounder's final line at the end of Animal House is 'this is great!'

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:22pm

Tannenbaum to Woody Johnson...."Ya' f**ked up; ya' trusted me!"
Ryan to Sanchez......."As your head coach, I advise to start drinking heavily."
Sanchez ro Ryan....."Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Coach."
Jets fans, to no one in particular....."Than you, sir! May I have another?!"

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:28pm

Elway: "Would you mind if we... danced with your dates?"

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:49pm

Sanchez's date has just passed out, miniature avatars of Rex Ryan and Tim Tebow appear on his shoulders:

Ryan: Fuck her. Fuck her brains out. Suck her tits, squeeze her buns. You know she wants it.
Tebow: For shame! Mark, I'm surprised at you!
Ryan: Aw, don't listen to that jack-off. Look at those gazongas. You'll never get a better chance.
Tebow: If you lay one finger on that poor sweet helpless girl, you'll despise yourself forever... I'm proud of you, Mark.
Ryan: You homo.


Sanchez: Before we go any further, there's something I have to tell you. I lied to you. I've never done this before.
Sanchezette: You've never made out with a girl before?
Sanchez: No. No, I mean, I've never done what I think we're gonna do in a minute. I sort of did once, but I was drunk...
Sanchezette: That's okay, Larry. Neither have I. It's my first time too. And besides, I lied to you, too.
Sanchez: Oh, yeah? What about?
Sanchezette: I'm only 13.

by Jim C. (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:39pm

Nick Mangold and Darrelle Revis, in unison: "Seven years, wasted."

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:41pm

Ryan midseason after the Jets circus goes 2-6

Ryan: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Revis: [to Cromartie] Germans?
Cromartie: Forget it, he's rolling.
Ryan: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... (pause)
Ryan: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

by Kal :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:12pm

("It's alright c'mon, just come in the office for a minute")
("Mmm, I don't know!")
("Look Sanchize")
("Yo, it's gonna be alright, right?")
("Well OK..")

Meet Sanchize, twenty-five years old. ("Give me a kiss!")
After meeting a young girl at a rave party,
things start getting hot and heavy in an upstairs bedroom.
Once again, his conscience comes into play... ("Shit!")

Now listen to me, while you're kissin her cheek
and smearin her lipstick, I slipped this in her drink
Now all you gotta do is nibble on this little b*'s earlobe..
(Yo! This girl's only fifteen years old
You shouldn't take advantage of her, that's not fair)
Yo, look at her bush.. does it got hair? (Uh huh!)
Fuck this bitch right here on the spot bare
Til she passes out and she forgot how she got there
(Man, ain't you ever seen that one movie _Kids_?)
No, but I seen the porno with SunDoobiest!
(Shit, you wanna get hauled off to jail?)\
Man fuck that, hit that shit raw dawg and bail..

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:41pm

Are those Animal House quotes?

by Kal :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:48pm


No, that's a set of quotes from the song 'guilty conscience' with Dr. Dre and Eminem.

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:43pm

And very good it is too, all the others were quotes from Animal House, which is very good if you haven't seen it.

by Kal :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:34am

I know - this seemed appropriate here though.

In any case, sorry to threadjack your Animal House references.

by are-tee :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:15pm

People are overlooking the main reason the Jets did this: they want someone to tutor Sanchez in the ways of celibacy.

by rageon :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:21pm

And narrowly bested what the Steelers had offered, for similar reasons.

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:39pm

I guess it's too late for Cromartie.

by The Hypno-Toad :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:34pm

Huh. Hmmm. Ah, I... Hm. This is just too goddamned weird. This would make about 40% more sense without the recent Sanchez extension. Bringing its total amount of sense up to around 47%.

by BrandonB (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:44pm

Tebow with a real defense couldn't actually be pretty scary. Denver was not a real defense. With Tebow, the Jets can win games without attempting a pass.

by BrandonB (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:45pm


by tonic889 (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:22pm

Denver was not a real defense because it forced Tebow to throw eight whole times a game. You heard it here first.. :)

by apbadogs :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 2:45pm

Are the Jets quickly becoming the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL? What could the rationale POSSIBLY be for bringing in Tebow?

by Yuri (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:01pm
by Ryan D. (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:02pm

Well, at least Miami will sell out one home game...

by 40 oz to Freedom (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:21pm

Wow, not so fast! Supposedly the language of Tebow's contract could nullify trade. Tebow could be going back to Denver!

Mysterious forces at work? Hmmmm.

by DavidL :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:28pm

This is just going to be awkward all around.

by Nathan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 3:53pm

as a Pats fan, NOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

by Ben :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:29pm

So, Tebow can't even complete a trade...

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress!

by The Hypno-Toad :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:12am

I am exceptionally fond of this joke.

by DD (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:20pm

I wonder if Brian Xanders is having an existential crisis, since according to the media and fans he apparently has nothing to do with any personnel moves the Broncos ever make despite being the GM.

by The Hypno-Toad :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:15am

Honestly, I don't really know what his job is. As you indicated, John Elway really seems to be the driving force in personnel decision. And if the non- Von Miller parts of the draft last year hadn't been so pointless, I would have had a hard time believing that there was any continuity between the McDaniels regime and this one.

by tuluse :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:22am

Well I guess he just likes to manage generally rather than worry about the specifics.

by 40 oz to Freedom (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:40pm

This is getting more awkward. Tebow's contract has a $5 million payback for the acquiring team. SUPPOSEDLY front office of NYJ didn't understand/recognize it while Jags, GB, NE, etc did.

Jets could be out of the Tebow race, but other teams might be back in.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:47pm

So the Jets will have to pay the Broncos cash? How will that put some teams back in the race?

Don't ruin this!!

by justanothersteve :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:49pm

Miami, are you ready for a shiny, slightly used Tebow?

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 4:53pm

How can the Jets nullify a deal, they already agreed to?

I'm just praying for the Broncos to pay the five million themselves, so they can get this over with.

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:02pm

Until you've signed something, you haven't agreed to anything, sometimes not even then.

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:58pm

(Removed. I'm not going to bother explaining contract law on Football Outsiders.)

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:44pm

Why not? That's the kind of thing I love about the comments here. (Seriously - we've got a pretty diverse set of backgrounds, and I learn an awful lot here).

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 6:57pm

A. FO commenters are almost universally convinced of their rightness in all things at all times. (This is not a distinction from most people or most websites, incidentally.) There's no point to discussion when they have already made a conclusion.

B. The CBA would override general rules of contract law for something like the point at which a trade is accepted anyway, if it covers the issue. (I don't know whether it does and I don't want to take the time to find out.)

C. I am quite certain that I am particularly disliked on these boards already. I'll save my times arguing with people for situations when it's relatively useful, unlike this one. Plus, knowing that I am almost a lawyer will probably make those who are currently indifferent to me dislike me as well.

by Led :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:07pm

Putting aside the CBA, a "deal in principle" (which is how this was leaked and then announced) is probably not a contract but rather an unenforceable agreement to agree.

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 8:16pm

I wasn't originally commenting about this particular deal anyway.

by speedegg :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:53pm

Yeah, I wanted to hear what you have to say. There's reports bouncing around the internet that Tebow's contract is a result of the old CBA salary structure and he had a bonus (roster bonus?) from this year paid last year. So, if the Jets pick him up, then they have to pay Denver the bonus Denver paid out to Tebow. The new CBA with respect to rookie contracts doesn't allow this. Could the Jets argue that part of his contract is unallowable and unenforceable?

by Shattenjager :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 8:31pm

I didn't have anything to say about the Tebow situation in particular--I have read nothing about it so far. I'll look at some point.

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:09pm

The deal was never finalized - apparently, they announced it before filing papers with the NFL.

Doesn't John Elway own a bunch of car dealerships in Colorado? I'm starting to think he's the slickest GM ever. Forget Animal House - this is like a scene out of Glengarry Glen Ross.

by jimbohead :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:29pm

Well, it does take brass balls to sell Tim Tebow....

by Bill Walsh's Holy Ghost (not verified) :: Sun, 03/25/2012 - 5:36am

Elway sold his dealerships back in 1997.

by PerlStalker :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:00pm

And the Jags are back in the hunt as are the Rams. Oh, what a glorious day for bidding war.


by JMM* (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:04pm

"All your Twitter are belong to us."

Please let me know if you choose to not pursue copyright protection on this gem. Very well done!

Still laughing....

by Independent George :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:13pm

Rex: "I've made a huge mistake."

by The Hypno-Toad :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:22am

I wanted to create a little play about Rex and Tebow discovering that the other sells seals. But I just couldn't figure out which one should be the seal seller and which one should be accused of never listening.

by Independent George :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 9:54am

Loose seal!!!

by DEW (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:16pm

How the Jets could not figure this out BEFORE agreeing to the deal is beyond me. On the other hand, I can't imagine why any team stupid enough to trade for Tebow when they have a quarterback controversy just over the existence of the guy they already have would let a little thing like $5M keep them from committing an act of premeditated stupidity.

Seriously, at least Jacksonville makes sense. While we can argue upside and mitigating factors all week, Gabbert was one of the few QBs who was actually inferior to Tebow in 2012 in terms of actual statistics. Why the Jets would want to get involved...

...But hey, as a Dolphins fan, I can take comfort in the fact that somehow we do not even have the most inept management/ownership in our own division! :)

by Authentic Sellout (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:29pm

I should just accept the fact I'm not getting any work done today. Damn you NFL, damn you twitter.

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:54pm

John Elway will pay the money out of his own pocket if that's what it takes to get Tebow off his roster.

by RickD :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 5:54pm

I think it's times for Pats' fans to start a collection to make sure this trade goes through.

I'll throw in $5.

by Sisyphus :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 7:37pm

I am not a Pats fan but I'm in; only 999,998 to go should be easy. (In New York, Tebow, the Jets locker room, Ryan, Sanchez.... what could possibly ferment out of that mixture.)

by Authentic Sellout (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 8:56pm

OMG! Tebow got to pick the Jaguars or the Jets...he chose the Jets!! This is too strange to be fiction.

by Jets Fan (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 9:19pm

He's back to being an option QB, which I think he will be really good at. That was a good choice, because nobody is going to really let him play QB. Don't think he'll play more than a half-dozen snaps a game, but they should be fun to watch.

by MaxJet (not verified) :: Wed, 03/21/2012 - 11:27pm

There seems to be no gray area here. Either this is the best football move or the most assinine. Either it's just a headline grabbing,money mongoring move or we (the Jets) will be the geniuses of the ground and pound as never seen before in the NFL. No matter how you slice it, the Jets as they stand after the trade, have a real in your face quarterback contraversy in their hands. Please don't insult the fans by telling them that we brought Tebow just to grab some bench and a few "specialty" plays. Tebow chose the Jets for a reason. I can speculate that he will get a chance to complete for the starting job. So folks, grab on to your hats, it's going to be a very bumpy ride. The Sanchize better come prepared for an NFL reality check.

by Rabbit :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:24am

I laughed.


by The Hypno-Toad :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:30am

By far the strangest element of this story (to me) is the "Tebow gets to choose his destination!" thing. A) that seems like a really unusual route for a trade to take. B) The choice, if he was actually allowed to make it, makes no sense to me. Are we expected to believe that Tebow was told he couldn't snatch the starting job in Jacksonville from Gabbert, who is on a post-lockout rookie contract, but that the door was wide open for him to make Sanchez's extension look even dumber than it looked in a vacuum?
Am I alone in thinking that the story of him being allowed to choose his landing was mostly made-up?

by justanothersteve :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 9:23am

Your forgetting that a bit part of Tebow's religious view is the mission to evangalize. While he could do that in Jax, I could see the chance to bring his faith to the heathen masses in the NE being a factor.

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 4:51am

Elway has taken the most important position on his team from around replacement level to around pro bowl level in ONE offseason. Not only has he done this cheaply, he, somehow, managed to GAIN picks in the swap.

Best bit of general managing ever?

by Mr Shush :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 6:08am

In fairness, he may have gained picks, but he's used an awful lot of cap room.

Not that Broncos fans shouldn't still be very happy about this offseason so far.

by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 6:44am

Broncod going to come out of this witj no Duper Bowl. P Manning god but injured. Will play some games for Brobcos bit will geg injured again. No Super Bowl for Broncos. Raiders winning Afc west 2012. Bronvos 9-7. 2013 is ywar for Broncos to win sB but Raidersbgoig to have somrthing to say anout that. Meanwhile tebow going to play for team that win at least 10 games 2012 and that team beigger threat to Raiders AFC title tham Broncos.

by slomojoe (not verified) :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 2:51pm

Oh, the way they shafted the Jets, the Brocos have already locked up the Duper Bowl alright.

by CoachDave :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 8:58am

I like this deal. Yea, I know...hear me out.

Tebow seems to be willing to play anywhere w/o ego. Sanchez seems to be a mentally stunted baby and his accuracy problems are well documented.

If you come out guns blazing with Tebow in whacky formations and positions...you take the heat off of Sanchez, you feature Tebow as the 'highlight' player and Captain Checkdown keeps throwing 3 yard dump offs all day long.

Tebow as the PP on punt coverage? It's 4 & 3 on the Jets 45 and you know your outside line can't cover the corner before Tebow rushes for a first down, so you tell your gunner blockers to have one eye in the backfield AND Tebow out weighs each guy by 50 lbs.

Tebow in an off-set HB position in shotgun formation. You fake the shuttle roll Sanchez behind him and Tebow either blocks and releases or stays home. He can easily hang with any Safety and likely most OLBs and who do you cover him with? A corner? He posts up that guy and gets 3-5 yds every time.

I think this move will work out well for the Jets and it makes opposing teams have to think about wildcat, special teams, pass coverage, etc in a whole new light AND the Jets already have packages already designed for Brad Smith, AND now you've got the LeBron of wildcat QBs.

And it's not like he won't sell tickets and jerseys...the $2.5M lump you paid will be made back in a week in increased merch sales.

Plus it will tremendous fun to watch!!!

by LionInAZ :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 7:31pm

You don't think Tebow has a big ego? If you don't, you don't understand pro athletes. Of course Tebow has a big ego. He was advised to enter the draft as a TE or FB, but insisted on entering as a QB.
That tells you that he's definitely not "willing to play anywhere without ego".

by JIPanick :: Wed, 03/28/2012 - 12:11am

Not seeing the connection between having a preferred position and a big ego.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:50am

I simply cannot imagine a more entertaining place for Tebow to go. Cannot imagine it at all. This is glorious, wonderful, and perfect. I am simply giddy to watch this train wreck occur.

*grabs popcorn*

by Led :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 1:26pm

"Mike Tanenbaum learns a value lesson in reading the fine print."

Any actual named source supporting this story? According to Tannenbaum, the parties simply disagreed about who was going to be responsible for the $5m. The Jets initial proposed deal allocated that liability to Denver and Denver countered by allocating it to the Jets. Once that disagreement surfaced, Denver decided to shop around some more. Ultimately, they agreed to split the difference on the $5m. I'd be interested to see if any person involved in the transaction said something different.

by Jesus (not verified) :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:49pm

Makes me wonder if anyone actually watches football anymore.
Sanchez still gets ripped apart, even though his stats after 3 years are nearly identical to Eli Manning's
(after 3 years). How many other QBs went to the championship game their first 2 years in the league? With rotating wide receivers ? He has had less stability with his receivers than most - and let's face it, his offensive line is made of tissue paper and he spent most of last year running for his life. He had his nose broken in week 2 and it never got any better for him,
although he did throw for about 25 touchdowns.

I read some of these comments - and it makes a lot of you sound clueless.

Seems to me that we all witnessed what Sanchez can accomplish with a good running game and a little protection. His offensive line never gave him enough protection last year - receivers never got open down field.. Sanchez was fine - it's the rest of the team that's screwed.

by tuluse :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 2:54pm

The only argument you made that has to do with watching football is the quality of his offensive line.

by Gabriel (not verified) :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 3:20pm

You my friend, need to TiVo the NFL Matchup Show and subscribe to the Greg Cosell podcast. Sanchez only has adequate arm strength, has a hard time throwing outside the numbers, and struggles with his reads. He is a cog in that offense, not the engine. The engine is the running game, but when that declined the offense declined.

On the Matchup Show they dissected (or eviscerated) Sachez's game. Key throw that Sanchez didn't make was when they motioned HB Joe McKnight out wide with a Giants LB on him in man coverage. The Jets got the matchup they wanted, McKnight outran the LB and Sanchez missed---by a few feet high. Ron Jaworski said that's a throw every pro QB should make.

Greg Cosell went further on his podcast. He asked Jaws how hard that throw is to make, Jaws replied it's easy. Basically, the offense is hampered since Sanchez has trouble making easy throws.

by Independent George :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 3:32pm

I think the point is that all of those things were also true of Eli Manning from 2004 through the regular season of 2007; he didn't make the jump until the super bowl run that year.

Subjectively, I thought Eli's ceiling has always been higher than Sanchez', and only needed to build on his consistency, whereas Sanchez seems to struggle in many more phases of the game. That's just my amateur eyeball test, though; I don't know enough to compare their respective rates of development.

by Gabriel (not verified) :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 4:07pm

Well, sort of. It's more difficult assess since Eli is capable of making all the throws at the pro level and Sanchez isn't. My impression of Eli in the Giants offense is he's an a very good cog. Is he elite? Not yet. I want to see a few more seasons. On the other hand, Sanchez is an average to below-average cog.

Eli is not limited by arm strength, Sanchez is. Eli isn't flustered throwing an INT returned for a TD, Sanchez is (sorry grammar police). This carries over to Sanchez's throws, reads, and footwork. Sometimes he doesn't have faith he can get the ball to the receiver and hesitates or throws high. Because Sanchez has significant limitations that aren't getting better, the coaching staff tries to "hide their quarterback" (Cosell's words, not mine) with the run game and defense.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was strange when Kurt Warner said the Giants offense "didn't make sense" to him and he got benched for Eli. Then Eli struggled through that to get where he is now (maybe the problem wasn't the QB?). Makes me wonder what the coaching staff changed for Eli.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 10:22am

Early on Eli also seemed to fare far better in the two-minute drill than he did in the regular offense. I don't know if it was him not overthinking things as much, or a result of the inevitably simplification of a hurry-up offense.

by bubqr :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 7:29am

I do think that the Jets OL is faaar from being as bad as you describe. They have the best center in the game, a solid left tackle, 2 OK/solid guards, and an awul RT. They are probably in the top 10 for best OL in the league.

Santonio, Plax, Keller, commitment to the running game, good defense, I can't name 5 better situation for a QB in the league. Yet, Sanchez has below average numbers. So yeah, I do think he is a bottom 10 starting QB.

by Mr Shush :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 10:51am

New England
New Orleans
Green Bay

That's probably it as far as situations that I'm absolutely certain are better, but there are plenty of others that are at least comparable. Possibly you like the Jets' receiver group better than I do.

But still, Sanchez is not very good.

by dryheat :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:16am

The only plus guy in the receiving corps is Holmes. Plex is gone. I like Kerley, but he's got a lot more to learn. Keller is your typical pass-catching tight end, nothing special.

But the more important point is that even if the Jets had Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, and Bambi Alworth lined up, dynamic receivers are as useless as mammary glands on a male bovine without a quarterback who can reliably get them the ball.

That being said, I think Sanchez is a bit better than conventional wisdom. It may be that he can't handle playing in New Jersey and needs to go to a place like Seattle where he can just concentrate on improving. However, he also wouldn't be the first quarterback to come out of USC who was more interested in being BMOC and nailing co-eds than taking football seriously.

by Led :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 1:35pm

"more interested in being BMOC and nailing co-eds than taking football seriously"

You can knock Sanchez for his performance. Hell, I do it all the time. But there's never been an issue about his dedication to football and work ethic. One of his problems is caring "too much" and failing to shrug off bad plays. I actually think he'll get better and that his limitations are somewhat exaggerated. His accuracy problems are largely mechanical, and he hasn't had the benefit of great coaching.

by Jesus (not verified) :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 3:08pm

I'm sorry.

I didn't want to make any arguments.

by Nathan :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 4:09pm

No worries, it's what we do.

by dbostedo :: Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:24pm

Yep... around here if you mention things like getting to the championship game, and seem to credit the QB entirely for that, you're opening yourself up for an argument. Typically informative and well meaning. Not always, but typically.

One of the tenets around here seems to be (rightly IMO) that you should never automatically think that team success = good quarterback; The general public seems to do that a lot.

by Jesus (not verified) :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 4:23pm

I think Sanchez is an average QB, but I believe he gets ripped a little unfairly.

He orchestrated some beautiful come from behind wins his first few seasons in the league, but rarely did he get any credit.

He did well with Braylon Edwards and they got rid of him. He did well with Cotchery, and they got rid of him too.Sanchez was really denied the chance to develop any chemistry with his receivers.
He had excellent blockers in Damian Woody & Alan Faneca, and they are gone as well. It's like the team was dismantled around a QB with only 2 years in the league.
You listen to the sanchez bashing and it's like they missed watching his first 2 years or something, like he never did well.
After his first year all the NY sports writers said he "can make all the throws".. now it's like he suddenly forget how to throw? And they never acknowledge that his receivers were all replaced, and his offensive line was taken apart. He had Matt Slauson, Wayne Hunter & Vladimir Ducasse blocking for him for God sake! No QB would have succeeded ! And it's like people don't even watch Sanchez, they just bash him.

It just seems premature, and a little unwarranted to me. I watch a lot of Jets football... Sanchez brought more success to me and that organization than any of the other QBs I can remember... the Jets weren't exactly a legacy ! It's not like Sanchez came in and ruined the whole JETS success story ! :)

I say give the kid a break, get him a decent receiver that can get open. Heck, the Jets do not have any receiver that puts fear into a defense. Get him a receiver, and a little protection... get a defensive lineman that can actually pressure a QB (the Jets haven't had one of those since Abraham left)...
and let's see what the kid can do.

I just don't think Sanchez is any worse than Trent Dilfer or Rich Gannon.

by Mr Shush :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 9:02pm

I think he's better than Dilfer, but a lot worse than Gannon. Faneca was a pretty poor pass blocker by the time Sanchez was playing behind him. And in addition to the guys you mentioned, Mangold is a stud and Ferguson a very good pass protector. And Santonio Holmes is a far better receiver than Edwards or Cotchery.

by Michael (not verified) :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 5:14pm

I agree that Sanchez is an average QB, though better than Dilfer. However, if you're a first round pick, there's the expectation that you'll be above the average.

Even so, as someone pointed out earlier, you'd expect your average QB to at least have good footwork and make the right reads. He seems to regress from one week, then bounce back the next week, then regress again.

by Raphael (not verified) :: Fri, 03/23/2012 - 8:10pm

Great. Because of a technicality in Tebow's contract he has to fly back to Denver, sign some paperwork, then fly to NY and finalize the contract.

What is going on with NYJ? Does Tannenbaum know how to read a contract?

by Theo :: Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:09am

No one reads the Terms and Conditions anyway.

by The Hypno-Toad :: Sat, 03/24/2012 - 2:49am

I could be very wrong about this, but the way I understood it was that this was (somehow) a result of the negotiations between the Broncos and the Jets about who had to pay Tebow that 5 million. My interpretation was that constituted a restructuring, which required a new signature. And apparently that meant he had to be on the Broncos for 24 full hours from the time he signed again.
There are so many people on this site with a better handle on the contracts side of football than I have, so I wonder why I'm even tossing my nonsense into the ring.

by Exy (not verified) :: Sun, 03/25/2012 - 1:24pm

I wonder how long it takes till Tebow gets caught being a bad, bad Christian?