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18 Mar 2012

Matt Flynn Signs with Seattle

Well, so much for Matt Flynn and Joe Philbin being the perfect marriage. Flynn has signed a $26 million contract in Seattle, although only $10 million of that is guaranteed. Flynn certainly didn't break the backup quarterback bank the way Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel did. Kolb's original contract with Arizona had $21 million guaranteed, while Cassel's contract with Kansas City had $28 million guaranteed.

If you're curious about Flynn and what we might expect from his future, the best things I can point to are Vince Verhei's Week 17 Quick Reads and this blog post by Greg Cosell.

Now that free agency has slowed down a bit, we'll go back to Extra Points posts on the major signings rather than a running thread each day.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 18 Mar 2012

53 comments, Last at 20 Mar 2012, 5:46pm by tuluse


by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 6:28pm

Whaaaat? Flynn really crapped the bed with this one- he could have played Seattle against Miami and maybe Tennessee. He should fire his agent.

by dbostedo :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 7:37pm

Two possibilities - he did, and that's the best he could do. Or he really liked Seattle, and thought the money was enough (i.e. somewhat close to other possible offers).

by jayinalaska :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 7:51pm

According to The Miami Herald, the Dolphins weren't willing to match the financial terms that the Seahawks offered. I have no idea what the Titans offered.

As a Seahawks fan, I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I think Flynn will be an upgrade over Jackson and I don't think the Seahawks went too overboard on the contract.

by justanothersteve :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 7:53pm

It's only a three year deal. If he becomes a decent starter (say Hasselbeck level), he's a free agent again at 30. I think after Kolb and Cassel, teams are leery about untested young QBs. This may have been the best deal he could get. Plus, I think he's got a better chance of making the playoffs in the NFC West than he would in Miami. We still don't know if the 49ers were a one-year wonder and Seattle is probably a more talented team overall than Miami.

by Danny Tuccitto :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:34pm

Fandom aside, SF is not a one-year wonder. All we know about stats say they won't be as good in '12 as they were in '11, but that general rise to contention vis-a-vis mediocrity was no fluke. Can totally see SEA/SF/ARI neck-and-neck for NFCW in '12, but it's not like SF will regress to 5-11 or some such.

by Jerry :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 2:35am

Depends on who they end up with at quarterback. If neither Smith nor Manning sign there, the Niners could easily regress.

by dmstorm22 :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 7:55pm

If Manning does go to the NFC West... Well, firstly I feel bad for the Rams, but the NFC West would become quite competent, if not good.

The Cardinals ended 2011 strong. The Seahawks were good but needed a better QB, and they probably have found it. THe 49ers would be loaded.

by akn :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 8:09pm

With the Dolphins left at the alter so many times this season, I guess you could say the Heat used up all of the city's recruiting power getting Lebron et al.

by Drunkmonkey :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 8:18pm

YES!!!! Suck it Miami!!!

I'm sorry, I really have nothing against the Fins, it's just that I don't think people realize how dysfunctional the Dolphins are. I mean, Mike Brown is quite possibly the worst owner in sports across the universe, but people need to know the amount of shititude that exists in South Beach.

by Andrew Potter :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:20pm

Mike Brown is quite possibly the worst owner in sports across the universe

If you truly believe this, I encourage you to Google "Craig Whyte".

by JIPanick :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:31pm

Didn't some Arena Football owner cut his whole team just before kickoff not long ago?

by Jerry :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 2:33am

A couple of them did, although it was because they were afraid that the fledgling Arena players' union was going to call a strike.

by Drunkmonkey :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:43pm

It's still Mike Brown, but it's not as far of a gap as I thought it was originally.

by Hurt Bones :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 6:34am

Brown has to hold the title of worst current owner. Whyte just hasn't created enough of a body of work yet. For me any discussion of all time truly wretched owners must include Ted Stepien.

by Jimmy :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 8:46am

It is hard to create a body of work when you have 'guided' your club into administration mainly down to your belief that paying taxes is optional.

by Mr Shush :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:03am

I vote for Peter Ridsdale, by a healthy margin, although "Generic Portsmouth Owner" deserves a dishonourable mention.

by Tim R :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 7:55am

Im with Big-Hairy-Andy on this someone has to be pretty special to beat Craig Whyte. Selling one of your star players then pocketing the money whilst not paying an outstanding tax bill as well your tax bill fot the current year is criminal as well as just incompetent.

by Mr Shush :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 9:02am

Don't get me wrong, what Whyte's done is impressive, but Ridsdale's now worked his magic on four clubs and is getting started on a fifth. It's like comparing Aaron Rodgers to Peyton Manning. Terrible owner, but he's got a long way to go to truly establish that level of ungreatness.

by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:01am

Ridsdale does have a very impressive level of consistency, but I think Whyte's peak has proven to be far more devastating. I don't think even Mr. Administration himself has ever been threatened with physical violence by his own current office staff, or had players refuse to sign contracts until they include the condition that he no longer own the club. Whyte's single-season performance may never be surpassed.

by Tim R :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:15am

Yeah and I wouldn't rule out Whyte going to jail which Risdale's never come close to achieving.

by Mr Shush :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:36am

Point taken. For the sake of fans of the other football everywhere, I hope we never get to find out whether Whyte's performance was a fluke. Unless it's at Arsenal. Or maybe Liverpool. That, I'd be fine with.

by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 3:30pm

If he could do the same to either Liverpool (particularly if Dalglish is still the manager) or Manchester City, I'd personally be in favour of knighting the man.

(No, I'm not a Manchester United fan. I just share a deep distaste for both of the above clubs.)

Edit: Actually, the same is true if he could somehow eliminate Celtic.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 1:19pm

When are we going to get past this whole "owners lose games" nonsense. It takes an entire front office to ruin a franchise, and the metrics simply can't separate out the owner from the GM or the head scout.

by Mr Shush :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 2:20pm

Losing games may be a collaborative effort, but only an owner can bankrupt a team. Or four.

by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 3:14pm

It took a second read through (I've just woken up), but I laughed. Bravo.

by RickD :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:51pm

If Manning ends up signing with the Broncos, maybe you'll get Tebow on the Dolphins!!

by Noah Arkadia :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 1:06pm

I don't see the shititude. Sure, Ross isn't the best owner, but he's not the very worst -Brown, Snyder, maybe Jerry. Ireland is ok. Philbin looks like a good hire. The biggest shititude I see in Miami are the fans, honestly.

We are number one. All others are number two, or lower.

by mathesond :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:42pm

I'd have to nominate Donald Sterling, at least for worst owner in North American sports

by Mr Shush :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 2:23pm

I guess there's a case to be made for Sterling in the same way that there's a case to be made for Joey Harrington as the worst quarterback of all time. An owner inept enough to take the club to or past the brink of bankruptcy by definition can't stick around long enough to make a team suck for 30 years.

by rich31689 (not verified) :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 2:42pm

In the Donald's case, it's more a situation where he isn't BAD at what he is actually trying to do, per se, his motives are just different. He doesn't care whether or not the Clips suck, he just wants to squeeze as much cash from them as he can. He ranks much higher on the "reprehensible persons" list than the "bad owners" list, if the definition of a "bad owner" is somebody who can't run a business. What other owner can boast that he got tips on how to run his franchise from a hooker?

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 3:23pm

I was thinking about bringing up Sterling. I consider him far worse than Brown. Brown, though he still is concerned with profit for the family, at least wants to put together a winning team.

by akn :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 5:45pm

If Sterling keeps Vinny Del Negro as the coach past this year, he would qualify for both "bad owner" and "reprehensible person."

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/20/2012 - 5:46pm

You can't fire The Hair

by Tom Gower :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:26pm

Tennessee? Zero interest in Matt Flynn. Locker's the future and maybe the present unless they get Peyton.

by Mr Shush :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:30pm

Genuine question, Tom: do you believe Locker is the future, or do you just believe that the Titans staff believe Locker is the future?

by snoopy369 :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:28pm

Until he's had a couple of years under his belt to prove otherwise, why not assume he is? I understand the flirtation with Manning - particularly as it gives Locker a few years to learn as a backup, as one would prefer, in addition to the local publicity reasons - but I don't think signing Flynn is quite the same thing at all.

by Mr Shush :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 6:18am

Well, I hated him as a prospect and thought he was a blitheringly insane selection at the spot where they chose him. For all I know, they're watching him in training going "Oh God, oh God, oh God, what were we thinking?"

I don't necessarily think Flynn's the answer either, mind you.

by Tri Shanku (not verified) :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 1:26pm

BTW, Mr Shush -- do you have a recommendation for something similar to this site, but about soccer, particularly about European/BPL variety? Thanks in advance.

by Ab1111 (not verified) :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 1:31pm

You won't find anything so stat-heavy, since "soccer" doesn't lend itself to that kind of analysis. But for technical/tactical analysis try a site called "Zonal marking".

4 great podcasts (all free on ITunes) are the Football Ramble, the Game Podcast, Guardian Football Weekly, and Men in Blazers. Listen in!

by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 2:18pm

I'll second the Zonal Marking recommendation, and also recommend Jonathan Wilson's columns on The Guardian's website.

by Tri Shanku (not verified) :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 3:00pm

Thank you gentlemen. I discovered Zonal Marking, but other ones will be very much useful.

by Mr Shush :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 3:33pm

Dan Finkelstein's "Fink Tank" attempts (or attempted - I don't know if it's still running) to do some quantitative work on soccer, some of which was published in the Times. Frankly, I didn't think it was much good, and his strident, detail-free defenses of black box tools did little to reassure me.

by RickD :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 9:50pm

So, Packers backup named Matt goes to take the starting job for the Seahawks.

And here I thought history never repeated itself.

by andrew :: Sun, 03/18/2012 - 11:35pm

Does this mean Tarvaris Jackson is available? Miami needs something....

by tuluse :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 2:07am

Tarvaris was surprisingly competent in my eyes last year.

Which means I think Brad Childress is actually a pretty bad coach.

by Will Allen :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 8:22am

Well, Childress is a bad coach, but don't be fooled. There's a reason why Seattle was in the market. Tavaris Jackson actually does have pretty good physical tools; pretty good arm strength, pretty good accuracy, pretty good speed, pretty good height, etc.. That's how he sucks teams in. Then, he gets on the field, and when he is not occasionally displaying those pretty good attributes, he mostly is displaying the worst instincts you've ever seen in a pretty good athlete by NFL qb standards. The guy just has no feel for the game, and while good coaching can overcome some of that, his ceiling is likely going to remain around being the 16th best starting qb, at best, it seems to me.

by Rafi89 :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:31pm

I would imagine that in any sport if you want to become an elite player you have to get to the point where responses become automatic, where you instinct is in tune with what you need to do, where you no longer thing through each step and simply perform. From what I've seen TJack has not been able to make that step and, at this point, I doubt that he ever will.

That being said he's a class act, apparently is a great 'locker room presence' (for what that is worth) and is an incredibly tough guy. He's a gamer and he'll go the distance, but I don't think he's going to ever be able to carry a team on his back.

by FrontRunningPhinsFan :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 7:37am

First - I think we're just stuck with Matt Moore for this season. Yay. Hopefully Moore is more Jay Fiedler and less Ray Lucas.

Second - Is this what Cleveland feels like? (That's no implication of the Lebron/the Heat. I hate both him and that team).

Third - Where can I find a scouting report on QBs available in the 2013 draft?

by MooseisLoose (not verified) :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 5:10pm

"Take it in the bollocks for Barkley?" Doesn't have the same ring as "Suck for Luck"

by Kal :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 5:20pm

Malarkey for Barkley?

by BaronFoobarstein :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 6:22pm

Groans for Jones?

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:34pm

Shatt for Matt!

by Noah Arkadia :: Mon, 03/19/2012 - 1:07pm

Wish Henne had stayed in Miami.

We are number one. All others are number two, or lower.