Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

30 Jan 2012

MMQB: Prepping for the Super Bowl

This week Peter wonders if Peyton Watch 2012 will get off the ground, gets some scouting views on Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden, and looks back at the tragic career of Greg Cook.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 30 Jan 2012

21 comments, Last at 01 Feb 2012, 12:47am by sundown


by Chris UK :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 6:52am

The title has no link included in it.

by Rivers McCown :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:31am


by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 7:31am

G. Cook tremendous rookie seaosn. Coild jave been onw all-time bests. Great deep ball thrower to Crabtree and Trumpy

Injury led to syart of Cincinnati Offense (aka Wets Coast Ofdense) beczuse team have to turn to weak armed V. Carter. B. Walsh emphasize short passes to help Carter succeed. Tema start 1-6 1970 but rally to finish 8-6, wim diviison and lose to Baltimorw (eventual SB champs) on horrible dirt field 17-0 in playoff game. Next week Raiders lose duel in dust same field but gett rvenege 7 yeats later same field double overtime game (Ghost to the Post)

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 9:09am

Unless you followed the old AFL, you never probably saw Cook. I didn't. At 14, I was a Packers fan suffering through the Phil Bengston (first post-Lombardi coach) years and couldn't have cared less about some upstart league whose best teams the Packers had beaten handily in the first two Super Bowls. I didn't watch the Jets win the Super Bowl and thought the Colts lost because they didn't take the Jets seriously, not because the Jets were the better team. I learned as I got older, but I don't think my opinions were that unusual back then.

by Nathan :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:55am

^ this right here is a great example of why RJ gets so much love around here... it's not just the funny typos

by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 7:37am

Willbread article during day. Maybe King write that sort of stuff anyway. Hopefully anyway.

Think B. Weeden worthwhile for tema with crappy type starter. Maybe Jets or Seahawks or chiwgs draft Weeden and at least have shot to compete for starter job 2012 or 2013.

by Chainsmoker :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 8:22am

Always nice to see PK mention Ohio U.

by justanothersteve :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 8:57am

That may be. But I think Tony Grossi's boss was correct in removing Mr Grossi from the Browns' beat as he may not be objective in covering the Browns. It also shows how easy it is to screw up using social media, in this case Twitter, and that any reporter who might make a mistake on this might make a more damaging mistake later.

I did enjoy Ricky Williams tweets though. He definitely views the world far differently (and probably better) than I do.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:20am

I love how Peter's defense of Grossi boils down to "but sports reporters aren't real reporters!"

Thanks Pete, we already knew that. You aren't real columnists, either.

by GlennW :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 6:50pm

King's observation is true though. In cities like New York and Boston, columnists and occasionally even beat writers express such highly charged opinions, in print, on a regular basis. Maybe they're just a little too sensitive about the Brownies in Cleveland, and maybe the truth hurts.

by BroncosGuyAgain :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 7:05pm

The defense is that he intended the message to be a private communication to one individual, i.e. an email or phone call. However, the medium he chose was Twitter, a medium designed to reach as many people as possible. He absolutely meant to savage Savage to broadest audience he could. The paper was correct in its action, and PK again places personal loyalty ahead of basic reason.

by Jerry :: Tue, 01/31/2012 - 4:08pm

-It's not hard to imagine that Grossi's Twitter expertise was such that he thought of his tweet to a pal as private. He knows now.

-If Grossi had said something nice about Lerner, and maybe called him a civic treasure, nobody would have complained that he should be taken off the beat because he can't be objective.

-I find it hard to believe that Grossi never expressed his feelings about Lerner to anyone else at the paper, even if it was casual newsroom chatter. It looks like the Plain Dealer acted to keep the Browns placated, not in defense of its journalistic standards.

by sundown (not verified) :: Wed, 02/01/2012 - 12:47am

I don't doubt it was an accident that it went out publicly, but you're going to see stuff like this in an era where reporters are being asked to increase page views and attract more followers on FB and Twitter. If the guy had been a columnist rather than a reporter, he could have written that in the actual paper and nobody would have said boo about it. The line between reporter and columnist blurs more every day. That's not a good thing for sports journalism, but it is a reality. And it is being caused in large part by the people in charge demanding edgier, more polarizing stories because those produce lots of article comments.

by Southern Philly :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:12pm

It's his alma mater. He never misses a chance.

by CoachDave :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:41am

I know this will shock a lot of you...but PK is completely in the dark about what type of injury Manning has.

There is no additional risk to his head, neck, spine, etc. with his type of injury and surgery any moreso than he has playing QB in the NFL without it.

There are starting LBs and Lineman in the league right now who have had this same type of surgery and obviously they get hit a heck of a lot more than Manning does.

It's all about nerve regeneration at this point...it either comes back by the release date, or it comes back later or it never comes back. But there is no "risk" as PK puts it.

by Ben :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 3:04pm

Yeah, I find this annoying too. "He's had three neck surgeries!!1!" Manning is at no more risk of a debilitating spinal injury at this point than at any other time in his career.

I don't know if this just comes from the term "neck surgery" or the issue his brother Cooper had or what, but it's purely an issue of if/when the nerve will regenerate so that he can regain his throwing velocity.

Since no one knows if/when that will happen, the Colts will wait just up to the deadline to see if it regenerates. If it doesn't, they'll cut him. No team in their right mind will pick him up until the nerve regenerates.

by CoachDave :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:50am

BTW, I also saw the Namath documentary as well...excellent, well done, can't recommend it enough.

by MJK :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:35pm

Interesting talking about players back for this SB:

Owners back for the The Rematch Bowl: All

Because the owners affect so much of what goes on the field, and because fans really care who the owners are...

Head coaches back for The Rematch Bowl: Both
Starting quarterbacks back for The Rematch Bowl: Both

OK, valid points...

Left tackles back for The Rematch Bowl
OK, starting to be a stretch...

Key defensive linemen back for The Rematch Bowl: All (Wilfork, Tuck, Umenyiora)

Hmmm... I smell some freshly picked cherries here. Are these really all the "key" D-linemen from both teams in 2007, and 2011? I guess Richard Seymour and Ty Warren (or Jarvis Green) weren't that key in 2007? Or Michael Strahan (or Fred Robbins or Barry Cofield)?

And whose to say that Kyle Love or Mark Anderson or Jason Pierre-Paul aren't key? I actually think Anderson and Pierre-Paul are two of the most important players going into the game...either one could wreck the other team's offensive plans if they have a stellar game...

Ventrone brothers on the New England roster for the first game and the sequel: Two (Ray for the first, Ross for this one).

OK, now he's just being silly.

Which I guess is his point.

by Lyford :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 1:22pm
by RickD :: Mon, 01/30/2012 - 6:04pm

Seems ridiculous to snub Strahan and Seymour like that.