Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

13 Mar 2012

Running Tuesday Free Agency Thread

NFL free agency began on Tuesday at 4 PM ET. Please use this thread to discuss the latest signings, rumors, and general speculations about NFL goings-on. We'll be updating this thread when signings are reported.

5:00 PM ET
Pierre Garcon announced WR Pierre Garcon will be signing with the Washington Redskins. Alex Marvez says the contract is for five years, $42.5 million, with $21.5 million guaranteed.

5:15 PM ET
WR Josh Morgan signed by Washington Redskins

5:30 PM ET
Redskins re-signed DL Adam Carriker. Details per Jason LaCanfora: four years, $20 million, with $7 million guaranteed.

6:15 PM ET
Seattle re-ups DL Red Bryant. Details per Adam Schefter: five years, $35 million, with $14.5 million guaranteed.

8:20 PM ET
QB Jason Campbell signs a one-year deal with the Bears.
The Buccaneers signed WR Vincent Jackson to a five-year deal worth $55,555,555.

9:30 PM ET
The Rams signed CB Cortland Finnegan. Reports have the deal at five years, $50 million.

10:05 PM ET
The Colts re-signed WR Reggie Wayne to a three-year deal. To quote Jim Irsay's twitter feed, "REGGIE! REGGIE! REGGIE!!!!!!!"

10:30 PM
The 49ers re-signed CB Carlos Rogers. Reports are it's a four-year deal, $31 million.
The Jaguars re-signed S Dwight Lowery, who was a big part of their improved defense last year.

12:15 AM
The Jaguars re-signed DE Jeremy Mincey to a four-year deal. Frankly, I'm surprised he signed before Mario Williams, as I thought he was a relatively attractive Plan B for teams that missed out.
Earlier tonight, the Falcons re-signed QB Chris Redman to a one-year deal (blah) and WR Harry Douglas to a four-year deal. I thought Douglas was a very good slot receiver who didn't get utilized enough last year. It'll be interesting to see how much work he gets, in terms of both snaps and targets, going forward.
The Chargers signed WR Robert Meachem to a four-year deal. They still need a left tackle after Jared Gaither hit free agency and Marcus McNeill was cut.

Posted by: Tom Gower on 13 Mar 2012

118 comments, Last at 15 Mar 2012, 6:13am by Mr Shush


by Lance :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 4:57pm

According to Blogging the 'Boys, Dallas has released CB Newman and K Buehler, and are bringing CB Carr in to woo him. They restructured some deals to free up cap room, so we'll see where this goes. Also, it seems that they're at least letting WR Robinson test the waters.

by Anon Y Moose (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:04pm

VJax to TB, according to SD papers:

by Megamanic :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:01pm

Official - 5yrs $55M $13M/yr in the first two years. I can't believe the Chargers weren't competitive with an average of $11M/year.

Jackson definitely wants to retire without a ring & he doesn't seem to have played one team against another to get a better deal.

Bad deal for everybody.

by Scott C :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 8:34pm

Chargers have a salary cap issue this year. They seem to be choosing to spend money on the missing OL parts that were both recent Pro Bowlers (LT - cut/fa, LG - retired/concussions).

The 2010 and 2011 campaigns showed that the chargers can have a productive offense with WR's off the street (2010), but struggle more when the OL has injury issues and WRs are mostly healthly (2011).

by BucNasty :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:21pm

Lookin' like Curtis Lofton and VJax are comin' to Tampa. All we need now is Nicks and either Carr or Finnegan and the dream will be complete.


by snoopy369 :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:25pm

You're sounding like some Bears fans I know last week... Nicks VJ and Mario Williams :)

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:28pm

I'm actually not expecting the Bears to acquire an offensive lineman in free agency. For better or worse, I think Tice likes the guys he has. Personally, I think the starting 5 should be acceptable, but they only have one backup who is NFL caliber.

However, yes please to Super Mario.

by BucNasty :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:35pm

Is that likely?

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:40pm

I figure the Bears have as much chance as any other team. There's only what 17 teams that run 4-3 now. Take off some for not having cap room, and take off some for being bad, and I thinking like a 1 in 10 chance.

by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:45pm

They really ought to get very agreesive with obtaining Williams, to the point of asking Cutler to restructure, if need be. Two d-ends with All-Pro potential, great linebacking, a decent qb/wr combo, and a offensive scheme more suited for their personnel, could win a title, with just average luck.

by Marko :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:33pm

You would think that the chance to play for Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli (who both have very good reputations with respect to coaching defensive linemen), and to play opposite Julius Peppers (since it would be hard to constantly double team both of them) would be factors favoring the Bears. Also, you would think that Williams has heard good things about the Bears' situation from Amobi Okoye, his former teammate with the Texans who the Bears hope to resign. Then again, the fact that Williams' first visit will be to Buffalo indicates that the Bears may not get him.

by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:43pm

If Williams signs with the Bills, and he doesn't get Niagra Falls as a signing bonus, they oughta' get him a psychiatrist.

by Marko :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:58pm

Well, he just might get the financial equivalent of Niagara Falls from the Bills. The word out of the Chicago media is that Williams wants to play with the Bears, but the bidding is getting much higher than the Bears want to spend. I'm sure the Bears made or would make a very good offer, but all it takes is one team to blow you out of the water (or down the waterfall, as it may be in this case).

by BJR :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:19pm

From an on-field perspective, if the Bills got Mario they would start to have a pretty good looking D-Line with Kyle Williams returning from injury and second year Marcell Dareus. That could become a dominant unit.

by AJ (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:45pm

exactly what about the bears did you see last year that made you like any of their starters? i suppose you can excuse carimi due to injury, but even with him, this feels like the worst o line in the league by a mile.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:20pm

I wonder that too. They did get some good yards from their RBs, but almost all of that was second-level yards. Pass protection was horrible. At least their guards and center did not fail nearly as fast as their tackles did.

Williams would be fine, but boy do I want someone like Nicks.

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:25pm

Their best guard was forced to play right tackle, and I thought Chris Williams, Garza, and Spencer were adequate. Webb is bad, but if the other 4 spots were settled, he could be given help.

Once the Bears changed their blocking schemes after the MNF game in Detroit until Cutler got hurt the offense was looking pretty good.

I think every position but left tackle has a solid chance to be average or better next year if everyone stays healthy.

by Dan :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:31pm

I'm not sure what makes you so convinced in Louis. At RT he struggled at pass blocking and wasn't particularly good at run blocking (I think Webb was actually better at that, as you can see from their directional adjusted line yards), and he's only ever started maybe a half dozen games at guard and hasn't stood out as particularly impressive there.

The Bears' interior OL was adequate at pass blocking and did fine at pulling, but couldn't get much push up the middle. That's why the team had trouble with power running, stuffs, and the red zone running game. When the running game was working, it relied on misdirection and outside running.

The big problem, looking to the future, is that the Bears did not have a single good offensive lineman last year. They ranged from adequate (slightly below average) to awful, with maybe Chris Williams achieving the level of league average. The Bears have plenty of backup caliber players, but not guys who I'd actually want to be my team's starter. Do you look at any of them and say "alright, we're set there for the next few years"? The only guy I come close to doing that with is Carimi, who has barely even played. None of the others even seems all that likely to be a Bears' starting lineman in 2013.

One interpretation of the Bears offense this offseason is that their biggest needs were at WR and OT. Another interpretation is that their biggest need is players that are good, because it's hard to have a good offense when you only have two good players. Now they've added one good player in Marshall, and hopefully Carimi will turn out to be good, but that still leaves a lot of room for improvement.

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:55pm

Ok, I may have overstated things with average or better. I meant adequate or better.

I agree with you that more better players would help, I'm not convinced that offensive line would be the best use of their resources at this point. For instance, I think that Tim Jennings is generally an awful corner who needs to be replaced as soon as possible. I'm also not convinced adding players to the line will help it as much as people think. 4 of the starting lineman have been in the league for less than 5 years. At some point you have to expect some of them to improve with age, and I think it's difficult to say which player(s) that will be at this time.

A lot of my opinions on the Bears lineman are colored by public statements Tice has made. He's practically in love with Carimi and very high on Webb and Louis. Webb himself has improved greatly during his time in the NFL. If that progression continues he could be quite good (I don't expect it too personally [at least not all the way to where he is good], but he does have the physical tools to play).

Also, I think Johnny Knox is underrated around these parts. He's a flawed player for sure (don't even ask him to run a slant), but he's useful. I think Bennett would get playing time on most teams.

FO's Ben Muth also thought that individually, the Bears lineman were not bad.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:54pm

Add back in the 3-4 teams who think he can play OLB.

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:03pm

I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that he would prefer to play 4-3 end.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:19pm

I suppose that's possible. I hadn't considered that. I just assumed he would prefer to play for whomever offered the most money.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:44am

Campbell's a good pickup for the Bears. They now have two QBs better than anybody on the Vikings.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:46pm

Lofton, VJax, Carr (less of a head case), and Nicks would be just dreamy. Actually, someone like Tolbert or Green-Ellis as a platoon back who can actually block and catch is another need.

Still, Lofton and VJax? That's huge. Finally, a deep threat; Freeman throws a really pretty deep ball, and having Jackson will be fun. Lofton means Mason Foster can kick outside to take over for the steaming corpse of Quincy Black. Geno Hayes was really good two years ago, so a Hayes-Lofton-Foster LB corps looks pretty damn good.

by BucNasty :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:53pm

If they re-sign him. All indications are that they'll let Geno walk. I'd look for them to add another guy in the draft and let Quincy Black, Dekoda Watson, Foster, and the rookie battle it out in camp, with Foster being the easy favorite to win his spot.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:51pm

Don't get that; Black was terrible last year. Geno Hayes certainly wasn't good, but Black struck me as one of the weakest links on a bad defense.

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:37am

It's about the money. If you want Geno back you have to pay him starter money and sign him to a multiyear deal. Black is already under contract, a freshly signed one at that. They don't want to pay him all that money without giving him another shot. If he looks like the 4th or 5th best linebacker in camp then he may well be cut, but his contract pretty much guarantees he'll at least get a chance to redeem himself.

And bad news, Curtis Lofton is apparently out. They say he wanted $9 million a year.

by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:48am

Not bad news if he wanted $9 million/year. Wow.

by The Future Ain't What It Used to Be (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:41pm

I hope for the sake of Buccaneers fans that they haven't actually signed Vincent Jackson. I think he will get their hopes up and then fail.

by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:41pm

Crap. I didn't want the 9ers to lose Morgan.

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:49pm

Agreed, I'm pretty pissed off about that.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:17pm

I'm pretty shocked too; he was the only guy last year that was even competent, and getting Randy Moss instead? What the heck.

by jimbohead :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:46pm

If the contract is in the neighborhood of what the skins paid Garcon, I'd say the niners made the right choice, even if it's crazy painful. I doubt it was a "Moss over Morgan" sort of thing.

edit: Maiocco is saying its $12m/5 yrs. I'm officially pissed.

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:05pm

It's at least $1.5 million a year more than I'd have offered but I'm still annoyed, which I guess is a sign that I wouldn't have the discipline to be a GM.

It's quite a deep draft for receivers, so maybe two out of the top four picks on pass catchers and hopefully this will put all the Fleener talk out of its misery.

by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:37pm

Ditto on that discipline thing. What's that scouting phrase? I "fall in love" too easily to be a GM. I mean, Morgan's just the kind of guy the 49ers like in their receivers: big, good blocker, makes tough catches, great team player, etc., but how tough is it to find those kind of guys? They drafted him in the 6th round. They haven't fought too hard to retain their WRs lately, even though they were popular around the team, Zeigler, Hill, etc.

by The Other Ben Johnson (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:49pm

Josh Morgan after an injury-riddled year in which he saw a big DYAR increase in a small sample size? Pierre Garcon after a year of Curtis Painter? Santana Moss moving to the slot? What are these? SMART free agent signings by the REDSKINS? Up is down. Night is day.

by dbostedo :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:33pm

Good is bad...Black is white...

by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:55pm

dogs and cats living together...

by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:02am

Mass hysteria!

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:34pm

How is Garcon smart? He's been consistently downrated here and has a lot of problems with dropped passes. Moss in the slot is good. Morgan is probably okay. Garcon though...bleh.

by chemical burn :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:02pm

Yeah, my first thought was "I'm delighted the Redskin are up to their old games - signing the highest risk players with the cloudiest upside to contracts that assume they'll be good..."

by The Other Ben Johnson (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:07pm

Mostly he's smart because Jabar Gaffney led the team with 68 receptions last year.

by The Other Ben Johnson (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:10pm

And he's not Vincent Jackson for 4 years and $60 million. We're talking about the Redskins here. "Smart" is a relative term.

by Rivers McCown :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:22am

Wonder how that scenario would have played out if Skins had all their cap space.

by The Other Ben Johnson (not verified) :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:15pm

At this point I'm excited if the Redskins can manage to do the second dumbest thing with each of their personnel decisions. Dumbest thing: sign Manning. Second dumbest: trade every draft pick ever for RG3. Dumbest thing: insane Vincent Jackson contract. Second Dumbest: slightly less insane Pierre Garcon contract.

by nuk :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:49pm

I'm happy for Garcon, but I doubt he's worth it.

by turbohappy (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:15pm

Agreed. I certainly would have been irritated if he'd signed a contract like that with the Colts.

by Kyle D. (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:40pm

Just another day for the Redskins, overpaying in a desperation move. They also signed Josh Morgan. They're upgrading from where they were, but spending way more than it's worth.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 6:58pm

Pierre Garcon I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Randy Moss is one of the greatest wide receivers of all time! Of all time!

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:04pm


by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:07pm

Was one of the greatest receivers of all time. (sigh)

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:52pm

So is this Danny Snyder just ignoring the commish's office?

Going to be an exciting off season in Washington.

by RickD :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:18am

The Skins had a lot of cap room before the hammer came down.

After all, they'd dumped a bunch of the cap charges onto the uncapped year...

by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:56pm

Tedskins trying for 2012 offseaosn chapmionship

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:19pm

Agreed. $21M guaranteed for Garcon is bat-**** crazy.

by mschuttke :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:25pm

And how exactly is Washington affording all of this?

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:02pm

I'm presuming that Dan Snyder is simply acting as if the NFL's ruling has not happened at all. Which if he's opposing it makes perfect sense.

by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:17pm

I think even with the clawback they had about 25 million in cap space.

by AJ (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:28pm

brandon marshall always struck me as a receiver that puts up volume numbers because he gets fed the ball too much. Is he really that good(honestly, i haven't watched him enough to say for sure), but given the state the bears offense is, he's a massive upgrade. Man, its really amazing to see the state of the bears offense prior to this move. I don't think they fielded even one starting quality receiver, tight end, or offensive linemen at all and even with marshall...are they really set? This o line group still sucks and they still have don't have have remotely enough at receiver or tight end to make it work.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:01pm

He's very good. He can some times simply take over a game; double teams are often a requirement and even they are not ideal. He doesn't have breakaway speed but he is very tall, has great reach and is really, really strong. Think of a slightly faster, slightly smaller Gronkowski.

He doesn't have the best discipline in making routes and sometimes takes plays off. The flip side is that he's a pretty great run blocker.

by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:14pm

Uh, come again? Gronkowski in just his second year put up a better receiving season than Marshall, you know an actual WR, has ever had.

by Kal :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:24am

Yes, thats true. He also had Brady throwing to him instead of orton/henne/Moore and hd the benefit on being covered by linebackers and safeties instead of #1 CBs.

My point was that their skillsets and successful routes are similar. Gronk is a lot bigger and a bit taller and slower. Both could be killers in the red zone.

by RickD :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:45am

And your point is...?

Kal didn't say that Marshall had had a better season than Gronk had.

But you might consider who was throwing the ball to him.

And also, Gronk just had the best season for any TE in the history of the NFL. Saying that season was better than a WR's season isn't as damning as you make it.

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:59am

Gronk just had the best 'statistical' season for any TE in the history of the NFL.

For example, Brady threw 611 passes and Gronk caught 90 and admittedly a shed load of TDs. But compare that with Alex Smith throwing 445 and Vernon Davis catching 67. If you project Davis' figures to 611 passes then he would produce 92 catches, though he wouldn't have matched Gronk's yards or TDs (if he'd learned the offense faster he might have stood a chance if the niners threw that much, his production exploded at the end of the year).

All I'm trying to say is that Gronkowski was in an ideal situation to have a great year. There might have been other tight ends in history who might have played better but been unable to match his numbers because they weren't playing in an offense that helped as much.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:54am

What are your thoughts about the position Don Hutson played in 1942? Was he a WR or a TE?

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:56pm

He was an end.

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:02pm

FYI: According to Pro Football Talk, Morgan's deal is worth as much as $12 million with $7.5 million guaranteed.

by Drunkmonkey :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 7:29am

Am I the only one who feels like Morgan was signed for pretty cheap? I mean, I know he hasn't had great production so far in his career, but right before FA started, I kept hearing that he was going to be pursued by quite a few teams, and that the 49ers really wanted him back. I just think that $2.4 mil a year was not only an inexpensive signing, but especially so for the Redskins.

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:58pm

It was a two year deal, so it's six million a year.

by tuluse :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:47pm

"QB Jason Campbell signs a one-year deal with the Bears."

I figured he would get a shot to start somewhere, but I like this a lot.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:08pm

Yeah, me too. Campbell's a great backup qb and a nice insurance policy.

by TomC :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:39am

It's almost ridiculous: the Bears now have two QBs better than any starter they had in the previous 10 years. Hope Campbell never plays a down, but this is a great signing.

by Steve in WI :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:11pm


As someone on sports talk radio pointed out yesterday, give the Bears a competent QB like Campbell last year when Cutler goes down, and they're a shoo-in to make the playoffs. Reportedly Cutler and Forte would have been healthy for the playoffs, and who knows what might have happened? (They certainly weren't the best team in the NFL, but they might have gotten hot at the right time).

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:52pm


Vincent Jackson to Tampa. Love the deal--basically no bonus money, big sums up-front for two guaranteed years. After that, if there's a problem, there's no cap hit if he's cut, as the last three years aren't guaranteed. Total bonus only $2 million. That, to me, is a really smart bit of cap management, as you're putting the huge money right up-front when you have loads of cap space.

Seriously pumped about this one.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:09pm

What is the cap hit this year?

by justanothersteve :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:23pm

$26M guaranteed over the first two years according to Mike Florio. Total contract is $55,555,555 which is eight fives or ocho cincos! He gets $26 million fully guaranteed, via a $2 million roster bonus in 2012 and a fully-guaranteed $11 million base salary in 2012. For 2013, he gets a $13 million base salary, fully guaranteed. The last three years aren’t fully guaranteed, with a $10 million base salary in 2014, a base salary of $9,777,777 in 2015, and a base salary of $9,777,778 in 2016. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/13/bucs-bag-vincent-jackson...

by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:30pm

Yep, big hit this year, but it's what, about a third of their available cap space this year? I have no problems spending that on a proven deep threat.

by Kal :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:42pm

No, it's fine for Tampa. Good even. It just makes me even happier that the bears got Marshall - if we got VJax that would basically be it for FA.

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:36pm

$50m five years for Finnegan according to Schefter. Which seems like quite a lot to me.

by Mr Shush :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:55am

Yeah, the Rams needed help at corner, but that's far too much money for Finnegan.

by Theo :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:57pm

Meanwhile in Steelers HQ...
*crickets chirping, tumbleweeds roll by*

by Jerry :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:55am

What do you expect? Even if they had cap room, they've never been a player for top-of-market free agents. Once the first wave is over, they may look for relatively inexpensive depth, but there's no reason to expect anything exciting.

by 0tarin :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:09am

I think he was commenting in approval. I've been watching Baltimore stand pat with similar feelings. Boring, but also nicely stable.

by BaronFoobarstein :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:44am

There's also their own free agent, Mike Wallace, to consider. Though on that front no news is also good news for the Steelers.

by Sisyphus :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:28pm

So the Colts have resigned Wayne after cutting the entire rest of the team? In light of everything else they have done this seems just weird.

by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:40pm

The only thing I can figure out is that they don't want to ruin Luck by him having absolutely nobody to throw to.

by Purds :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:57am

And, they did make an offer to resign Garcon, but it was more in line with his actual value than he perceived his own value (and with which some team foolishly agreed -- you guess which one).

After not resigning Garcon, it makes sense to resign Wayne if he's the one willing to take less money.

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:57am

I just don't see how it makes any sense for Wayne. Maybe my opinion of where Indy's at is a lot lower than his, but I don't see them being winners while he's still relevant. I'd much rather hit the road with Peyton than stick around on a rebuilding team.

by Lebo :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:55am

Given the success that organisations have recently had making wholesale changes and inserting rookie quarterbacks (Flacons+Ryan, Ravens+Flacco, Jets+Sanchez), and given that Andrew Luck is considered by most to be a superior quarterback prospect to any other of the past 10 years, I think there's a fair chance that Indianapolis will be relevant again quickly. Maybe not next season. Then again, maybe.

by BucNasty :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:29am

The Colts just seem to have so many more holes than those teams, though. Granted the Falcons might be an exception here, as they were looking pretty bad when they drafted Ryan, but as far as I can tell the Colts have a terrible O-line, no running backs, no receiving option outside of Wayne himself, and nothing on defense except for Freeney and Mathis. I can understand feeling loyalty to the team that drafted you, but I can't help but think that if it were me, I'd be chasing another ring.

by Lebo :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:03am

Also, maybe re-signing with the Colts is part of a strategy to improve his H.O.F. candidacy. A common argument against Wayne's future candidacy is that his success has always been dependant on Manning. If he has three or four good years with Luck, that will no doubt help Wayne's case in the future.

by Mr Shush :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:40am

I find it hard to believe anyone came close to offering him the same money. It's an awful deal from the Colts' point of view, except insofar as you think Wayne's going to help Luck's development.

by Rivers McCown :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:25am

Best I can figure it's because Blair White was set to be WR2 and they have the money to blow anyway.

by Will Allen :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:38pm

I can't figure out if the Vikings have decided that they have too many holes to fill to do anything but rebuild with young draftees, which is not crazy, or they have decided that their chances of getting new stadium legislation passed for a half-billion or more in taxpayer subsidies, before the legislative session ends, is pretty iffy. If the latter is the case, they may want to reserve the opportunity to lose 14 or 15 games, in order to get enough empty seats to allow for an easier relocation.

I'm almost through with rooting for any particular team except on a temporary basis, and it actually makes the game more enjoyable in some respects.

by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 9:54am

I will allow you to rescind your allegiance to the Vikings in support of the Green Bay Packers, as they are always a joy to support!

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:10am

Thanks, but I think I'll just be a habitual bandwagon jumper for whatever time I have left in this Vale of Tears. Or reverse bandwagon jumper, as in deciding which bunch is more obviously dislikable or irritating, and then root against them. If reports of Brandon Marshall's woman-punching prove likely to be true, the Bears become the obvious team to hate in the NFC North, since the other team which likely employs (for now) a woman-puncher, the Vikings, will likely only win four games anyways, so there is no sense in rooting against them.

It's almost a shame, since I was almost prepared to root for the Bears, based upon a growing dislike for Suh and Schwartz, being sick of seeing Rodgers' mug on t.v., and the general obnoxiousness of an element in any fanbase of a team that has had as much recent and historical success as the Packers.

This is going to require careful consideration!

by Mr Shush :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:42am

Perhaps you should be rooting for a currently implausible-seeming NFC Westifcation of the whole division . . .

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:51am

After the draft, I'm going to go through each division, and select which team with a decent chance of making the playoffs has the most dislikable aspects, and then set my rooting interests for the year. The problem is that things can change for the worse so quickly, that if you don't keep up with it, you could end up rooting against the wrong team pretty easily. Being a non-aligned football fan is hard, hard, work!!

by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:32am

Other than having Aaron Rodgers (and to a smaller extent, Clay Matthews) on the television a lot, there is nothing wrong with them. While I support your indecision in the abstract, perhaps make it at least "indifference" with regard to the Packers. They are a good group of guys!

Then again, I sort of dislike the Vikings for no reason, so I can understand the draw of hatred.

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 11:44am

I don't like Charles Woodson. He's a dirty player to me. Not that he tries to injure people, but he tries to get away with breaking the rules of the game constantly.

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:18pm

There really is an element of their fanbase, however, which is very, very, unlikable, as we saw in some of the threads here running up to the playoffs and Super Bowl. Now, as I said, this is predictable for any team with the recent and historical success of the Packers, but being predictable doesn't make it less obnoxious.

There was some charm when the Favre-led Packers won their Super Bowl, if we can remember back to when we hadn't yet experienced more than a decade Favre mania. It had been nearly thirty years since the Lombardi chmapionships, and the Packer fans had known mostly bitterness since then. The current Packer fan base has mostly known, or only remembers two decades of success, and still revels in their franchise's history, and now has another championship which is just two years old. This makes an element of their fan base pretty much insufferable in their belief that being a Packer fan gives them insight into the game, or, even worse, speaks well of their own character. Believe me, I'm exposed to enough of the species to recognize it for what it is.

Nope, the Pack has to remain in the running for the most unlikeable, especially if Marshall gets suspended for a year. My rule is that only guys on the roster count against the team.

by Keith(1) (not verified) :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:15pm

I am not sure to whom you are referencing on this site about being obnoxious, as most of the posters supporting the Packers have all been fairly nice (in my experience and through my lens). But, if you have more exposure to them (on this board or elsewhere), I can understand that. I absolutely hate the Saints because their fans are fiercely annoying, but I also have to live close proximity to New Orleans (they are the closest team, at least). Yet others have not found the same to be true.

But still, a negative Packers fan baffles me! I thought we were all pretty nice.

by MCS :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:21pm

There were a lot of woodwrok fans better suited to ESPN than here. I saw them as well. It was difficult to claim any association with them at all.

by Steve in WI :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:32pm

I'm a Bears fan living in Packers country. For the most part, I don't find Packers fans to be any worse than any other team's fans (nor do I dislike the Packers for any reason besides being our biggest rival). I did find a certain percentage of them to be pretty insufferable midway through last season when they started insisting that the team was certain to go 19-0 and that they were the most dominant team ever. I have to admit that I really, really enjoyed watching their loss to the Giants in the playoffs largely on that basis. (Though I also like the Giants and again, I'm biased).

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 2:14pm

Most of them are reasonable, but like I said, any fanbase of a team with recent history and total history of success similar to the Packers is going to have their insufferables, but it isn't less insufferable because it is predictable.

by tuluse :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:09pm

I think the total size of the Packers fan base increases the odds you will interact with them as well, and few teams have a fan base as big as the Packers.

by Will Allen :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 4:46pm

Oh, I know. I remember back in '05 getting into it with some Steelers bolthead because I wouldn't agree that Willie Parker was as good as Gail Sayers.

by Lebo :: Thu, 03/15/2012 - 4:20am

I really dislike the Steelers for the same reasons you dislike the Packers - history of success + recent success. But also because of the Terrible Towel and the faux-blue-collar image of the team.

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:17pm

I'm pleasantly suprised to see Rogers back in SF. $7.3m per year isn't too bad either, considering some of the money that's being thrown about. I'd rather have Rogers for $7m than Finnegan for $10m, even if Finnegan is younger.

This also means that the niners' starting defense returns intact. This makes me happier after losing Morgan, I'd certainly have rather kept our defense than our receivers from last year.

Now just to sign Alex Smith (or make a last minute run for Peyton, I can hope can't I?) and then draft some offensive players, lots of them.

by Passing Through (not verified) :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:41pm

Do the niners have enough cap space left over to sign a RG, QB, and draft picks?

by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:46pm

I think they have about $14m but can free up another $3.5 by releasing or trading Shawntae Spencer.

by Karl Cuba :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:22am

FAO Bears fans:

Bears WR Brandon Marshall was involved in another incident that could lead to an NFL review. - Adam Schefter's twitter profile.

by Kal :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:27am

Well, crap. It was a nice 8 hours of happiness.

by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 6:30am

With Narshall's history and issue wjy is guy gogin to clubs anymore? His firends, if havd any,, are not smart and Marsahll not using brain either

by Dr. Mooch :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:26pm

Buffalo news media report that Mario Williams' fiance just arrived at the airport. He picked her up and returned to the Bills facility.

by Andrew Potter :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 12:59pm

I read this as, "He picked her up and returned her to the Bills facility." As in, she arrived at the airport in a desperate bid to get out of Buffalo. I see I was mistaken, but I prefer my version.

by Dr. Mooch :: Wed, 03/14/2012 - 1:53pm

That's how it happened the last time I brought a girl back to Buffalo.

by Mr Shush :: Thu, 03/15/2012 - 6:13am

Vincent Gallo? Is that you?