Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

30 Oct 2013

“The Degradation of a Young Stud," Starring Robert Griffin

Sounds like an adult film, right? It is and it isn’t. What I witnessed from Washington’s passing offense against Denver this weekend was so nasty it will compel viewers take a long shower afterwards. Equally disturbing is that this film possesses a lot of elements of an exploitation flick and I had a difficult time watching an innocent, young talent treated this way. Worst of all, it’s difficult to assess blame and there in lurks the elements of psychological horror that chills the blood.

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Posted by: Matt Waldman on 30 Oct 2013

29 comments, Last at 02 Nov 2013, 10:28pm by greybeard


by Never Surrender :: Wed, 10/30/2013 - 10:41pm

That was painful. And it was only part one! I don't know if I can take another.

by serutan :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 12:14am

Let's postulate that Griffin regains his explosiveness.
All that will mean (assuming the same offense) is another
major knee injury is inevitible.

Was wr

by theslothook :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 3:47am

If there's one lesson the great peyton manning and tom brady have taught me is...if you want to play for a long time and play for a long time...you'd better learn not to take sacks via reading defenses and making stick throws. RG3 is the antithesis of that.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 8:54am

Is this why Manning and Brady have both lost seasons to injury and Cutler and Roethlisberger have not?

by Danish Denver-Fan :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 9:03am

Cutler and Roethlisberger has also lost seasons to injury. Their games with injuries have just been spread out over multiple seasons.

by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 1:32pm

Neither Manning nor Brady had missed really ANY time at Cutler(30)/Roethlisberger(31)'s age.

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 1:54pm

Brady's missed season was at 31.

As for another -- Palmer got Kimo'd at age 26. Or the career-long misadventures of Chad Pennington?

by mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 4:28pm

Pennington's first injury happened in preseason when Herm Edwards played him while leaving center Kevin Mawae on the bench due to an injury. The second and most crucial injury happened when Pennington did not slide to get a first down, and Lawyer Milloy nailed him.

Palmer's injury is like Brady's; there's not much he could have done to prevent it. Pennington's second injury, the one that really hurt his career, is more relevant here. Another thing to keep in mind is Wilson's ability to stay healthy, and the attitude he has when running: he slides a lot. Just because you have an athletic scrambling quarterback does not mean he has to take the hits Pennington and Griffin have. As a Jets fan, I need to keep this in mind with Geno Smith. They really could have him run the read option a lot more, and it would help their chances this year, but in the long run it wouldn't.

Hopefully the Washington brass figures it out, and RGIII has a long and great career.

by chemdrj (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 2:57pm

The example you give is of a guy that is currently out with an injury?

by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 4:44pm

Cutler's injury was a random groin injury. I could also toss out Bradford, who had a bizarre ACL tear.

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by Pat (filler) (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 10:31am

If I just forget entirely that the QB is RG3, the one thing I take from all of the passing plays is: the QB isn't particularly accurate, and isn't making great decisions (not going for the dumpoff in the one play), and the offense itself is not doing anything to help a passing QB who's limited.

I'm just wondering if part of this isn't just RG3's knee. We've seen "athletic QB who's not particularly accurate and doesn't make great decisions" before. Many times. And the story all ends the same: player has a few great passing years before teams realize "OK, just calm down, don't overreact, and play straight defense, and he can't beat us."

And then suddenly when the wide open receivers are gone because the defense isn't constantly biting, a QB who looked totally accurate before suddenly looks mediocre.

by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 1:34pm

The thing is, he WAS accurate last year, so there's reason to hope that his accuracy issues this year are being caused by mechanics/instability/whatever.

Still, I think this is just more evidence that Shanahan is not a good coach, and probably hasn't been for atleast 5 years.

by Kyle D. (not verified) :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 5:20pm

What he hasn't had this season is a great game accuracy wise, unlike last season. He was 14 of 15 against Philly and had 5 other games over 70%. But that being said, it's kind of amazing that his overall completion % isn't all that far below last season's. He's at 59% completions overall for the year compared to 62% last season.

by Hurt Bones :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 5:32pm

65.6% last year, not 62.

by Pat (filler) (not verified) :: Fri, 11/01/2013 - 1:26pm

Was he really accurate, or was he helped by open receivers who had freedom to adjust their routes, along with the specific routes that were called? I mean, McNabb's completion percentage in 2004 was respectable, but he had below-average accuracy: it was just one year that was helped by a number of effects.

I don't know. It's really a devil's advocate position, since I haven't seen Griffin enough, but I do know that it's really easy to get fooled thinking a QB is accurate when he's only given favorable situations. So when I see "hm, mobile quarterback's success now hampered by defenses playing with discipline" it makes me skeptical.

by tuluse :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 1:40pm

Your criticisms seem fair. On the other hand, I don't know how many QBs would be successful with 2 receiver plays. An ACL injury can affect accuracy because it feels weird when you're planting. Finally, young QBs rarely make the best decisions and that is something that can be learned.

by NRG :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 6:50pm

Having watched a pile of Washington football, it seems to me the ACL is impacting his throwing mechanics.

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by MJK :: Thu, 10/31/2013 - 11:00pm

"Perhaps you blame Shanahan and Dr. James Andrews for not looking out for their rookie and the future of their team in a playoff game, but considering the culture of the players, the league, the fans, the media, and the coaches, it would be unrealistic and hypocritical."

Yes, I do blame them. It's the Doctor's responsibility to determine if a player is likely to aggravate an injury by continuing to play, and provide that information to the coach, and it's the coach's responsibility to weigh the long term well being of his team and of his star player against the immediacy of winning in the short term.

And remember, it's not like leaving Griffin in that game particularly improved the 'Skins' chances of winning the game. Griffin was obviously impaired and not playing well, and there was not a noticeable dropoff when he finally went out.

by sundown (not verified) :: Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:41am

Andrews seems to care more about self promotion than his patient. The expectation that RG3 would be back to start the year started with Andrews bragging about how great the recovery was going. Then he backtracked at the 11th hour and was concerned about how Griffin would be used or however he termed it. I thought doctors were supposed to keep their trap shut about their patients. He's done more to cause problems than anybody else in the whole affair.

by Kyle D. (not verified) :: Fri, 11/01/2013 - 5:39pm

I've wondered repeatedly why Dr. Andrews is allowed to make specific statements about Griffin's recovery. Seems like Griffin and/or the team would need to give him permission to do that, but I don't see why you'd want to give a doctor that sort of permission. Griffin or the team would be able to make any positive statements on their own and you wouldn't want the doctor slipping up and giving out any negative information.